10.0 Venezia: SAP Is Still OP

[@jamesharvey3993]

Venezia’s maneuverability is its strongest attribute IMO. It makes everything else about the ship exponentially more effective because it’s absurdly difficult to punish, even at relatively close range.

[@Gundolf300]

Agree. Without that Venezia would be in a far worse state. When dodging right it is tanky as hell!

[@HappyBacon777ttv]

My first game with SAP in Italian battleships, I managed to hit two cruisers at once and get 5 citadels in total, nuking both of them... I can't wait for that line lol

[@whellin9007]

Pizza Time

[@twinkyoctopus]

Lmao the first ad I got for this vid was for pizza

[@devidcapponi1593]

Pfffff...

[@YTPartyTonight]

//The hydrodynamic behavior of Venezia, considering its very long and thin hull form, is kind of ludicrous, even for an arcade game.

[@mathiassilberthal7742]

That depends, really. Being long and thin makes the speed not unthinkable, just the turning is a bit over the top. Then again, if venezias ass was flat enough for it to start sliding above the water, using aqua-planing to basically drift, it would be possible for the ship to do these things. It would be possible, doesnt mean it is though. Seing the Model ingame, makes it clear that venezia should not at all be able to turn that fast. The speed is okay, though it should lose a lot lot more speed in turn

[@YTPartyTonight]

@@mathiassilberthal7742 It's not the speed that's so far out; the ratio of width or beam to waterline length is conducive to straight line speed. However, that ratio that benefits straight line speed is what makes the hull performs in turns unrealistic. Ships of this size and nature have full displacement hulls, not planing hulls. Full displacement hulls don't aquaplane and slide through turns. That's why displacement hull ships roll the way they do, showing 'skirt' on the inside of turns.

[@mathiassilberthal7742]

@@YTPartyTonight like i said, looking at venezias model it is totally not realistic for that ship to turn that fast

[@yellow8037]

Hi PQ, can you play some short range cruisers? I really have no idea how to make those ships work in 0.10. Would you give us some advise?

[@oldschoolgaming4763]

All you can do is pretty much hide behind islands and try and shoot over. Short range cruisers are the biggest loosers in the update.

[@dennismieler4417]

dont play them right now thats all i can say

[@oldschoolgaming4763]

@@forgingflame DM is probably still strongest of them. Even Mino struggels in smoke no days with DDs running amok with all camping A line.

[@danny_d_bongo]

I still like this ships. But i only play this game with my div. Maybe that make it easier. So i always have Support in my Salem, Mino and Smolensk. With wooster i always struggled.

[@Moon_Cricket_Stinks]

Lel. He ain't gonna do shite like that

[@waltermelyon4300]

I appreciate your honesty. I got murdered by one today in my DM, completely outmatched in open water. Her dispersion is sick, 15 shots tightly grouped coming in so fast it's almost impossible to dodge. I fired back but my slow high arc poorly grouped shells never touched her. Speed, turn, and smoke made her impossible to hit. The DM has no answer for her at range and with her torps a close quarter fight would never do.

[@LtBlackFire]

As a representative of the potato community, I hereby, declare myself, first to this video. Is it possible you could discuss Des Moine in 10.0? :0

[@_ArsNova]

One of the high tier ships from the old guard that has been hilariously powercrept. It, Hindenburg, and Khabarovsk are the laughingstock of tier X now.

[@theheavytonk928]

When I first saw this comment, I was like, *”wat”*

[@deepbludreams]

Here you go, short and sweet. Play island to island, if the enemy team is braindead DM can out DPM anything, she has good AAA and radar. Salem is the same ship but can play a bit more agressive due to super heal. Downside is that you have to get close and right now that's not a good way to play any ship to be honest, it has turned both those mentioned ships into situational monsters that have no real good all purpose use.

[@trindamere63]

They actually nerfed them yesterday by adding them more reload seconds. I'm not sure how over 30 secs reload time for them will impact , but at least it's something.

[@pierlucamarrocco9351]

38 at tier X

[@rx-0862]

what i tell people in chat when they ask about venezia. it’s a good if you plays guerrilla warfare style. terrorize the battleships, hit the DD’s as often as you can. engage and disengage cruisers forcing them to push into your battleships

[@AlexFeldstein]

Very nice video. I seldom if ever play Venezia. My go-tos are Hindy and Petro. I have never considered the plane spotting buff you show. Will reconfigure and use Sansonetti with Venezia and learn this style. Good points! As per the BB SAP, I played Dante Alighieri (T4) and SAP is brutal at the tier. Scary for the rest of the line. - Your comment on Atago being similar play is spot on. Probably my fav Prem cruiser.

[@burak8067]

Hey Potato, i love and perform good with this ship. However, when i am against petro, i am losing my sanity. It doesn't take proper damage from anywhere, and does great damage to me however i angle. Please tell me, where to shoot sap to a petro, how to angle against it?

[@kodacv1612]

"Ppl don't like to push & play very passive" >Starts max range snipping immediately

[@Corocotta15]

Hi, how do you solve the difference with the Napoli? I mean, about captain skills. Specially the Eye in the sky. This skill works well in venezia, but is not available in Napoli. And I'd like to use the Sansonetti captain on both. Thanks in advance.

[@KES33615]

Totally agree with you on the meta change. I think deadeye has made some ships more fun as their accuracy was very frustrating. However, the other item is the large amount of DD's played, it isn't just the HE spam but the torp spam that drives away the push.

[@Usmvalor3]

Me in my Wooster trying to survive. BB's: Screaming their heads off at me to push. CV's: Laughing off my poor cat mimicky attempts to swatt their fly's off the sky. Me: wHy Am I sTilL hEre... JuSt To SuFfEr?

[@breehoyt1426]

Ayyyy made a video from my stream ship recommendation. Pog

[@omerbkcgl]

I made my hindenburg setup with Eye in sky + heavy HE + heavy AP + TTG captain skills + Enhanced spotter upgrade + Legendary upgrade + range upgrade, now I have 18km concealment with good rudder and gun range, damage output is also good, setup fit perfectly to current meta

[@erikfarkas2481]

What about eugen do you like that ship?

[@kuschi4742]

What do u think about Brindisi in comparison to Venezia? a little stupid question: do u are spottet when shoot in smoke and the DD is also in smoke but in ur firing-in-smoke-detection-range? :}

[@ollihro82]

@potatoe quality ... you should try it with heavy SAP. no concealment capt. skill and double rudder shift ... very fun and maximizes SAP dmg. ship is even more fun since rework.

[@YTPartyTonight]

I still haven’t gotten this cruiser yet, though I could acquire it any time quickly, because tier X. The last tier X cruiser I got was Petropavlovsk and I still haven’t even played that one - because tier X.

[@ChristiansEdits]

what ships isn't op or strong for you PQ??I am really wondering that

[@jozseftoth9368]

I play mine with rudder mod.3 instead of concealment, propulsion i think(or double rudder) heavy SAP and reload mod. Amazing ship, even stronger with the new commander skills. Yes her playstyle is similar to Atago's, also Zao's, but those i build for concealment

[@nickarooroo6397]

How does it feel compared to the maneuverability of the Henri IV?

[@jozseftoth9368]

Btw, she has also amazing AA, especially with her great maneuverability, you can deal with CVs. The range is shorter than others, but the continous damage is huge. Usually they do not except this, while you are running at full speed, trying to dodge, those planes need to stay in your AA range for so much time to set up their attack. They really pay the price for attacking you

[@hondansx1000]

does that fighter plane skill stack with Sansonetti's extended consumable duration perk?

[@DerPolygonianer]

Yeah, the meta was definitely approaching anyway. But there are still of course ways that WG could have counteracted that instead of introducing deadeye. Give Damage con longer action time to prevent immediately getting another fire or shot engine for example. Weaken fire chance on some ships. For me the thing that really stands out though is that they should be redoing the overmatch mechanic. With all the ships with 457s now, overmatch just really pronounces the power creep. My biggest concern right now is how many ships are vulnerable to plunging fire since it invalidates angling. Maybe somewhat flattening the shot trajectories would alleviate that a bit. What I would really like to see at this point is the going the physicalized model route, but that is probably too much of a hassle because that would raise system requirements.

[@SinkkingTurrtle]

I run full rudder and 17.6km conceal on this ship. top grade gunner + heavy he and sap is fantastic on this thing since it has the tools to play open water and the smoke when you need to go dark. This thing got buffed by 10.0

[@adriansherrod9113]

Not sure if you will respond or not, hope you do. I am wondering as I have just started watching you videos, do the things you say about this game apply to console. Just curious

[@cheekybreeky6925]

One of my favorites: Man mode ship no bullshit 20km HE spam...just pure action and maneuvering all the times. Scrap concealment build and go super heavy SAP and HE+close quarters expert. Venezia is a hit and run ship:clap them with 10 to even 18k SAP salvos,eat theyre heals and when they re HP is depleted charge them. Watch out for bowing in enemies and especially des moines,venezia struggles really bad with them is a flanking ship.

[@alblup6860]

currently grinding the line. any advise on Amalfi? i cant seem to win in that thing

[@Korovkin_Pavel]

do not go too close, the ballistics is great use it, do not prolong a fight with a bb, even 1 on 1. If bb stats targeting you, go dark, try to outlive the cruiser in enemy team.

[@limhonghui963]

i am grinding Venezia, thanks for proving it still a very good ship after the nerf

[@Hamberger94]

whats your opinion on the SAP 10% damage buff skill ?

[@louisslaats452]

I think it sacrifices concealment right? nah not worth it. you will be spotted to easlily and cannot shoot as much.

[@TerjeL]

In my opinion nerfing a premium ship should not be allowed. Take a look at Atlanta. Was one of the best AA ships in the game.

[@wtpiv6041]

Same with Yubari down at tier 4. Used to be a great counter to Hosho but not so much anymore.

[@onaucc9899]

Yea i guess that'S the Loophole... They didn't nerf the ship directly, right (i don't play so long that i'd know)? They nerfed skills, changed the meta etc. At least that's what i assume. Also i think coal ships as Thunderer count as "special ships", not Preium. So theoretically at least they could be nerfed, as they are not premium :D

[@TerjeL]

@@onaucc9899 WG have nerfed several premium ship over the last years. This is premium ship that we where able to purchase with real money. The nerfing started with the CV rework as WG did a complete overhaul of how the AA works. Last patch with the commander rework they changed how the secondary BB's works. Again some of these BB's we where able to purchase with real money. :D Again some of these

[@jessyschoss]

Also Atago=ARP Takao. I love playing mine. Seeing this vid, I may want to climb the Italian CA ladder. I like slow-firing, long-range and high-punch CAs. Alaska, Stalingrad, Goliath, Zao, even Hindi. It's a matter of play style, of course

[@benjaminbills9533]

I’m confused on the ‘go dark then smoke’ part. If you’re already dark why do you need smoke to turn out?

[@PotatoQuality]

I should have explained better. When you shoot you have detection bloom for 20 seconds, if you smoke up while this bloom is still active your detection will be = to your smoke firing detection. What I'm trying to say is you should wait 20 seconds after firing before smoking and turning out when you think people are within your smoke firing range, that way you won't be spotted in your smoke. This applies when you are caught bow in to the enemy and someone is within that smoke firing range. I often see people just smoke up thinking they are invincible even though they are still spotted because of their 20 seconds of gun bloom after firing.

[@benjaminbills9533]

@@PotatoQuality Oh ya that makes more sense. Similar reason I can't play the Anchorage, that 14km smoke firing is brutal. Watched yours several times but anytime I 'angle' the thing simply explodes lol. Great content!

[@bernhardlangers778]

Played 1 game in the Dante on the EU Server. 5 kills and at that time the damage record with 133k. Sap won't hurt bbs that much, but boy does it punish cruisers. There is still hope though as those bbs will be shotguns.

[@davidhannon8923]

Could you discuss the Wichita in 10.0? I know you don't often go below tier IX, but I'd like to see a review on it Also, may I say that your videos have helped my playing out a lot, I've become so much better at playing by watching your videos.

[@reksiohundson8706]

I have Venezia from 11.09.2020 and I have played 2 battles on her ... both in co-op for anniversary SC & Christmas SG... dont even show in my stats in WG page , because WG only count ships that have been played addleast once in random...

[@thatinternetguyj5222]

"I'm scared italian battleships will enter in a broken state" Lmao hearing this now

[@birdoverbird]

The best way to describe venezia I think is a crusier with the guns of a battleship and the handling of a destroyer

[@dwarfy_sweden]

SAP is perfectly balanced for the the new russian CV with 240mm SAP 2ndary

[@theheavytonk928]

What the hell? Only 240 mm guns? MAKE IT 406 MM!

[@JR-em3mo]

I have never seen this game before. What is this? Wow 👏 😮

[@rosalina2938]

and what do I take in mod 6 if I dont have the op premium captain?

[@Virgilfinnatell]

who, Sansonetti? Still reload , since base is 21s

[@rosalina2938]

@@Virgilfinnatell yea I don't have spaghetti so I thought range mod would be good.

[@ErvinSalma]

Great video, as always :) Can U do Salem?

[@oldschoolgaming4763]

just free XP:ed the entire line after this video. Keep the good videos coming.

[@John-cg5sk]

Just be careful and don' t be that one Venezia that fires and then smokes forgetting about your smoke detection range lol. Have fun man

[@oldschoolgaming4763]

@@John-cg5sk Dont worry, just played my first ever game in ITA cruiser in Venezia. 6 Kills 3 Sensonetti activation. 155 K damage. Will go up on my channel in a couple of hours. Amazing ship! Was the entire line like this?

[@Gibson2705]

How many coals have you spend to get the Sansonetti?

[@rapkriticar3076]

approx 150k coal

[@Gibson2705]

@@rapkriticar3076 He from the crate so maybe more.

[@Virgilfinnatell]

@@Gibson2705 Depends on your luck with the containers.

[@hellojones513]

Omg dude finally did the video 🙂 thanks 😘

[@martinpalmer6203]

Agree with Venezia, its brutal against DDs and terrifyingly good at dev striking dds (Its the only ship ive been devstruck with in a DD) , It still good against BBs and cruisers and its got good,,useful torps .... scary ship.

[@starpirat]

Thank you, someone is openly stating that BB are camping at the back of the map, and not supporting their team.

[@zuhairsadad6957]

Thumb nail is pretty dope!!!!

[@zlatkotoric5589]

Gorizia t7 is great ship,dont have torps but 6 km hydro can be very useful.

[@maxwelllittle5291]

Push, kite, counter push, smoke, counter kite, countercounterpush, should call it the yoyo cruiser.

[@AndersonM05]

I still thinking that not been able to have fire prevention is a huge nerf

[@dirkdiggler2178]

I'm not sure if this a compliment ti Potato of a slam on WG; but watching your video's are more entertaining than playing Warships .... in this patch

[@matthewyang7893]

Can you use the fuel smoke like a fat yolo paulo emilio???

[@tahiribnmohammad5410]

yup, but obviously you have less speed, but can still do 38knots

[@matthewyang7893]

@@tahiribnmohammad5410 If you are low HP worth anyways

[@Virgilfinnatell]

yeah you can, but be aware that you have only a few torpedoes on each side, which do little damage, so little BB yolo potential unless you citadel them

[@MihaiD259]

The enemy Venezia chunked the Shima really bad, maybe that's why he shot.

[@VuHien2011]

SAP is very strong against DDs and cruisers, it is really bad against bow tanking BBs. Only BBs with 32 mm deck armor are susceptible to get damaged.

[@mehmetisk4775]

hi what about PEDRO ?

[@sameerkharade7750]

Also, talk about the Italian AA. Short range, but effective.

[@treeherder42]

Yep, for a long time the t5 Italian cruiser had my max planes shot down - and I own a halland, multiple cruisers with good AA, many bbs with good AA but all were beaten by a t5

[@Lightningshattr]

Nice to see you give out compliments to enemies. All i get is reports when i devstrike someone.. Salty people i play against..

[@TheChaosUmbra]

My issue with the ship is that it is 1 dimensional SAP spam, almost no reason to switch ammunition... I much prefer my Duca D'Aosta as that is actually fun to play and actually does have a good rudder shift (Venezia does not) and you don't have a stupidly long reload to balance out an OP ammunition type. WG have done the same thing with the BBs 1 dimensional SAP spam with long reload and terrible RNG.

[@louisslaats452]

Fun is most important. it;s sometimes worth to switch to AP when up close and broadside target, just like cruisers depending on HE. But correct for the most part SAP is the better choice at range just like HE is for others. but the downside is no fires and not always you get massive damage when the enemy is smart.

[@TheChaosUmbra]

@@louisslaats452 Actually it is sometimes worth using AP in other Cruisers even Zao if the enemy BB is full broadside, for Venezia all that would do is drop your damage which is terrible game design and why I hate the line, same with the RN BBs you do more damage with HE on a bow in target than AP on the broadside cause the dispersion is so bad, and the new Italian BBs will be exactly the same but with even more RNG...

[@louisslaats452]

@@TheChaosUmbra yes i actually meant it like that, in some situations AP makers Sense, for HE cruisers and for Venetia the same. Although just like you I like more varied gameplay so I play lots of Different ships.

[@Terrathrax]

Man I wish I could get Somsonetti. I'm so close, like only need 3 more collection items, but the only way is to spend all my 90K coal on Resolute containers since I'm likely to get only duplicates. Frustrating.

[@Phuocinh90]

FYI you can trade your duplicates for the missing items (4 for 1 iirc), so you will probably need only 6-8 containers for 3 missing items

[@suburbanview]

How many flags u used, and how you can get as many u used?

[@realAndysan]

republique has 32mm armor all over, perfect target for venezia.

[@Patriotalliance]

OP compared to what? There are plenty of ships in the game that counter the Venezia

[@louisslaats452]

completly correct

[@lynx1970]

What makes the Venezia so good is SAP but also its accuracy

[@louisslaats452]

actually what makes ships good is the player :)

[@magnus9980]

Instructions unclear; put spotter plane on Des Moines

[@Crowe_77]

Dude, is Venezia not Valencia! One is in Italy , one in Spain

[@restarting_krnl]

Weegee: you want some HE? Ha! I will make it OP(thunderer and smolensk) Weegee: huh? You don't like fire? Then taste SAP! (venezia and austin)

[@aijokallen6669]

Ah the old times, where every clan battle had venezias to counter Stalingrad and moskva. Interesting how people were saying SAP was weak while whining about Soviet bias

[@Nurg1982]

Shooting the shima close range proved too tempted fot the other venezia player, that’s why he did it I think

[@mowen0yuriko]

Excellent

[@sailyourface]

*Watches video* well I guess i'm grinding the Vinezia after I get the Des Moines

[@Dvokrilac]

Venezia is great, it easy one shots DDs. I love it.

[@Sotmax]

so many times i rant against this thing. Is really strong ..

[@sonicjoy2002]

so unfair when you compare it with other cruisers, how could it has this health, maneuverability, fire power and concealment all in one ship.

[@geil340]

I would still say that the Petro is still better than the Venezia just because of the armor and tankiness

[@clanholmes]

Italian BB's are nerfed in the Dev Log

[@clanholmes]

X AUSTIN: The angle at which the check for ricochets is made for SAP shells has been increased from 60 to 65 degrees. VII FRANCESCO CARACCIOLO: Main battery reload time increased from 30 to 33 s. VIII VITTORIO VENETO: Main battery reload time increased from 33 to 34 s. IX LEPANTO: Main battery reload time increased from 35 to 37 s.

[@louisslaats452]

of course they are they are not russian

[@theheavytonk928]

That is good

[@facenoise465]

Venezia shits on Khabas real hard, as if that 50mm plating wasn't there. Haha

[@nathancochran4694]

SAP is strong, but dont discount Italian AP, very zesty.

[@doducduy96]

yup, people always assume you would shoot SAP 100% of the time then turn their broadside freely. 15 AP shells to an unsuspected broadside CA/CL HURTS.

[@keithw4920]

It turns way too fast. Its the #1 nightmare for my Yamato.

[@atpyro7920]

Who put this Venezia commentary in my Shikishima Gun Sound video :kappa:

[@tonciblaskovic1795]

Is there anything that isnt OP these days for you ?

[@louisslaats452]

Getting views with spicy titles and claims is everything nowadays, you can see it all over youtube some even add thier facial expressions. it's all about the clicks and the money he got me too. ask Trump how it works...

[@petervoyt24]

Armor ???? LMFAO did he really say the Ven has armor ???

[@lostvayne3977]

This is the best cruiser the funnest cruiser is hindie

[@meg_a_rexonblitz6344]

Plz play on your russian account and grind the Bismarck, PQ.

[@devidcapponi1593]

SAP OP???? NAHHH! zao salvo on dds broadside 7/8 k dmg, zao OP?? mino salvo on dds 6/7k dmg , mino OP? goliath salvo on dds 7/8k dmg,goliath OP?? NAAAHHHHH ...... des and salem AP salvo on dds 8k 7k 6k OP????? NAAAAHHHHHH , BUT SAP ARE OP .................. OOOOOOOOOOK!!!!!

[@Soprano1013]

You say SAP is good other videos say SAP sucks......"strange"

[@DeathsHood]

The issue I've found with SAP (so far, I don't have a lot of experience using it yet) is that it's hard to find the right angle to reliably pen, but when you do, you do consistently high damage. Moreso than the other ammo types. I don't _citadel_ often with SAP, but I do enough damage with 3-5 regular pens that I'm outperforming my Tirpitz in pure damage, which hurts, because I love my Tirp.

[@gothamgoon4237]

It's pathetically stupid is what it is. SAP 6 and 8 inch shells will ALWAYS do 6 to 8 K damage every salvo REGARDLESS of angle while 16 and 18.1 inch shells will just over pen and do nothing to 1k damage against less armoured targets like the venezia. It's so ridiculous it beggars the mind. Even for arcade style it is grossly OP. No way in hell 6 inch and 8 inch shells could do that kind of damage against heavy targets while FAR larger shells do practically nothing against much less armour. The only way such shells could do next to nothing on impact is if it was a dud. Even then a 1.5 tonne shell going over 800 m/sec is still going to wreck what it hits even if it doesn't explode. While a 300 to 500 kg shell going the same speed hitting heavier armour that is a dud is just going to shatter. The game has literally reversed the physics of real shells so cruisers can obliterate bb's.

[@bradley9856]

another reason not to play tier 10

[@seanelucero]

venezia is completely broken and OP. needs to go. too fast, too many guns, too maneuvarable, too good of dispersion, nope, this ship is broken.

[@louisslaats452]

I have had Venetia for some time now, it's a good ship, but games like this are not the rule of thumb, be prepared to get blapped or loose 2/3 of your health in one volley from a BB even bow on and kiting away. the enemy team just ignored you for the most part which in real life does not happen often. Most decent players know you are dangerous and you will get focussed like dd's are. But hey games like this do attract viewers, and I watched it too but its a bit of a fairy tale all in all. massive damage all the time.... not really, only when the enemy is letting you.

[@IncomitatusExcelsior]

Did you watch the video? PQ was under fire most of the time. He wasn't "left alone". They just didn't actually hit him often. He was constantly shifting his rudder and engine and throwing everyone's aim off.

[@louisslaats452]

@@IncomitatusExcelsior ok Ik Will watch again this evening, but I cannot remember constant dodging

[@louisslaats452]

You are right, I guess I misjudged it because of all the misses and he did not take much damage. best to judge yourself by playing the ship :)

[@delta720728]

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[@theheavytonk928]

Italian cruisers are bad game design. I’ll pass

[@soarinskies1105]

God I hate SAP so much. Venezia is such a stupid ship

[@slip6699]

I hate SAP mechanics :(