Power cut! IONIQ 5 V2L saves the day

[@MrEV]

⚠️ Just to say that daisy-chaining extension leads as I did here is NOT a great idea but this was obviously an emergency. If you do the same, make sure they're fully uncoiled (as I did) to avoid heat build-up and a possible fire risk. Also, avoid drawing too much power over a long period. Trying to get the full 3.6kW over a 13amp plug (in the UK) is asking for trouble!

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

This is the key reason it's V2L and not described in anyway for use as emergency backup due to safety and fire hazard. V2G is kinda here with Chademo and LEAF, and F150 Lightning with be the first in US for V2H for actual house backup with power going back into the 80A EVSE and into the house supply. VW announced we should see the ID.4 with bidirectional soon

[@JeanPierreWhite]

@@aaaa-ig6sc Yeah no corporation will put their name on an emergency backup system if it depends upon consumers to configure the wiring. Very much a "don't do this at home" kinda video but we all know people will. And there will be fires or fried equipment no doubt

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

@@JeanPierreWhite anyone can have a go without the Ioniq 5, it's a bit like flipping the breakers on all but sockets on the CU, unplugging everything in the house and attempting to run it all via one socket. 🙈 Lots of devices should not be run on power strips, and people aren't electrically savvy enough to make sure it's not overloaded 😔 it's credit to Andrew to pin the warning

[@gino2465]

Andrew good man, I would be concerned my self with coiled wires and extension leads running inside the home. Another concern for me is protection for people as now your running power from a car on rubber on its own circuits and as the advert claims run your microwave and kettle from your ev. All these devices need to be on rcds and that rcd needs to work as it should be to the BS 7671 regs. It's your safety first.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

@@gino2465 All of what you have said is applicable to permanent wiring. Extension leads are intended for temporary use in all cases. This scenario was for a temporary duration while power was cut. Extension leads do come with their risks as I think everyone has pointed out and should be used with caution. Andrew did not do anything improper, he knew his power draw was only 100w, enough for the fridge and internet/computers. Some light bulbs are 100w, this wasn't a large amount of electricity that could melt leads. Could his setup have been dangerous, sure, that's why he kept a close eye on what he was connecting and not trying to heat his home using a series of fan heaters.

[@deanbarkley7997]

The V2L on the Ioniq 5 has a pure sine wave inverter, so this is really top quality and won't damage any sensitive electronic gadgets. Thumbs up Hyundai :)

[@briank581]

The point taken. Kudos to the Hyundai Ioniq 5.

[@Alex-tj1zo]

Best review for V2L system is exactly this one: a real-life scenario 👍 Thanks for the video.

[@MihneaStoian]

Here in Canada it's even more crucial to plug in your furnace (99% of houses are heated with gas which require just a tiny bit of current to run the electronics) to avoid freezing pipes. When not charging the car, our house consumption is 10-11kW/day, so our 77kW Ioniq 5 could power the house for up to 5 days before hitting 20%.

[@MaplEV_Leaf]

Indeed! And with an inverter, which are cheap, this can be done with any electric car. Plug the inverter to the 12V battery in the car (which gets its charge from the main battery) and run a cord from the inverter to the house to power whatever you need.

[@bluenapalm123]

This happened to me - had the fridge, PC, modem/router and switches powered from the Ioniq 5. Made the power cut seem like it never happened.. Nice :)

[@tomarmstrong1281]

This has to be the way forward. The process looks a bit messy, but that's a matter of tweaking the technology. An EV is a big battery on wheels. By including rooftop solar and off-peak charging, many of the issues associated with the intermittency of renewables are mitigated. All that is needed is cooperation between the manufacturers and the authorities. And that is where the problems will arise.

[@peterowen4456]

That is fantastic. I could even forget charger anxiety if I had one of these! Seriously vehicle to grid is going to be a major thing going forward.

[@MaplEV_Leaf]

With an inverter, which are cheap, this can be done with any electric car. Plug the inverter to the 12V battery in the car (which gets its charge from the main battery) and run a cord from the inverter to the house to power whatever you need.

[@keepawayfromthetrout]

Our power was off for about 10 hours and we did the same, powered all the vital stuff from the EV, including TV and home entertainment systems! Except it is a 6 year old nissan leaf - I have a 600w inverter which I attach to the 12v then leave the car in drive mode. It powers our central heating pump too since I had the electrician put a plug on it which is normally plugged into a socket powered by the central heating timer but lets me run it manually when we have power cuts.. which we do from time to time in bad weather as we are also living in the sticks. The heat comes from a solid fuel Rayburn. Normally it's an oil boiler that runs the heating. We used 15% battery over that time. Have left it wired up as we have another storm right now. It's nice to see that newer EVs have this built in now so no messing about under the bonnet. And also you can drawer much more power! Super handy!

[@BryanQA]

I got really lucky with last power cut before Christmas, only an hour, and we had been loaned an Ioniq 5, it ran the fridge freezer, kettle, microwave and our Dyson hot/cold perfectly. Hopefully my Ioniq 5 turns up soon.

[@MrEV]

What amazing timing! That must have sold you the car better than any test drive could have.

[@BryanQA]

@@MrEV Got my VIN now and just walked past dealers and an Ioniq 5 was getting dropped off, fingers crossed its mine 🙂

[@BryanQA]

Yay, it was mine, 7 and a half months from ordering, it'll be all PDI'd and hopefully pick up next week, no more visiting petrol stations 🙂

[@ourcolonel1685]

After hearing about a power outage every two weeks, I understand why you got the solar panels. The price of the home battery is too much. So having a car that can power your home is the best solution. Very informative and reassuring. Thanks much.

[@akf2000]

so cool, didn't know vehicle to whole house was on the cards, using your EV as a powerwall will be great

[@Runtythestar]

Best video I've seen on the topic and the exact point I've been discussing my wife about why Ioniq 5 is a game changer. I'd prefer to not connect an inverter to my 12 Leaf.

[@keepawayfromthetrout]

It's fine, done it for years.. just make sure it's a good quality pure sine wave inverter and not more than 1kW. I went for a 600W inverter to be safe although it struggles a bit cranking up a fridge or freezer compressor. We are running off it again now because the power is out yet again! 😖

[@markbloxham1313]

If you have a transfer switch installed near your consumer unit, in the event of a power cut you can just plug into that and all your circuits would be live at the consumer unit. That would mean all the lighting in the house for instance and if worried about overloading it would just be a case of turning off some circuit breakers. Would avoid running around and having to plug in appliances.

[@WooShell]

You should ask your local electrician to install a manual transfer switch in your fusebox, and have that wired up to an appropriately thick and long cable. That way, it's just throwing the switch and plugging into the car, and you'll be up and running again. Total cost of less than 500 pounds.

[@VerticalBlank]

Yes and presumably the earth connection is direct to real earth too.

[@tonystock856]

So with this setup, would PV solar panels still work with the grid down and the transfer switch closed thereby making the grid safe for line workers, could this be the poor man’s battery storage solution for emergencies.

[@WooShell]

@@tonystock856 you probably shouldn't try that.. even if your solar inverter accepts the output from Ioniq5 V2L as grid replacement and starts syncing, I'm sure the car won't take it well if your PV tries to feed back into the V2L output.

[@tonystock856]

@@WooShell Thank you for the feedback, I’m not at that stage yet, just looking for a poor man’s way of having the use of the Solar when there’s a power cut, at the moment I only have the Smart EQ with no options of V2H or V2L. My PV setup is using the Enphase Micro inverters which I’m sure you know are outputting AC directly into the consumer unit via the isolation switch and generating meter.

[@mikeselectricstuff]

If you have gas central heating, it would be good to have it wired through a 13A plug instead of the usual fused spur so you can run it on backup power.

[@stepheng8779]

Wood burner, no problem and plenty of free fuel available at the moment 😂

[@anthonyschofield7807]

I always connect my boiler to a socket rather than a spur for exactly this reason

[@MrEV]

Fantastic tip, thanks!

[@marklola12]

@@stepheng8779 Until they are banned anyway

[@gavinderbyshire5535]

This is great to see, I'll be showing my negative to EV colleagues this content. I've to hand back my leaf in June and undecided on what to get next but I'm gong to consider the Ioniq 5.

[@OmairArif]

Strangely the External V2L adapter isn't available for the IONIQ 5 in the US, no trim has it and it isn't an optional accessory. They only have it for the EV6 here. However the Limited (highest) trim IONIQ 5 does get an internal V2L socket under the middle rear seat. We also don't get the Solar Roof here.

[@mikeselectricstuff]

I have seen US reviews of the I5 showing the V2L, presumably only 110V there though.

[@VVVO-VA]

I’ll want to look into that. Please come back and provide more info as available.

[@BLR1GBattlemaster]

Rav4 Prime XSE also has V2L, and some people in Texas used it during their massive power outage during last winter. Was a life saver. The power output is half of the Hyundai, but in some ways, it's a bit better because the engine can turn on an act as a generator itself as well as charge the battery at the same time. So, you could in theory have a perpetual power generator as long as you have gas. Also, do yourself a favor and buy a small air fryer. They're about $50 USD, takes about 1500 watts to run, and is amazing. Way better than a microwave. I use mine in my Rav4 at the beach to heat up pizza, and it makes it crispy and hot.

[@EcoHouseThailand]

Thanks for the great video - I have already shared it in an online discussion about EVs. I have solar and 27kWh of LiFePo4 but on a very rainy day I still need grid power, so my next EV will definitely have V2X

[@roderickmain9697]

Could have used that myself over the last few weeks. Great feature though. Rule of thumb, multiply the max current rating of the (extension) cable by 230 to get the maximum wattage you shoulkd take. So, if extension is rated at 5 amps then you dont want to take more than 1.1kW in total.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

So you used 1% per hour. Starting at 74% you had a total of 54% to use or 54 hours. So just over 2 days. Pretty decent.

[@tzwc3571]

Nice we have a outlander PHEV w a built in 110v 15 amp outlet . During rolling black out here in Northern California due to wild fire. Was able to power circuits for 6 days. Just needed to start up the outlander w onboard generator every 2 days to recharge the battery.

[@waynecartwright7276]

We caravan too so bought a plug in induction hob to save using gas , initially a single then a twin hotplate.

[@g4egk]

Thanks for the video. Re battery cost, I recently came across Victron / Pylontech home energy storage - a modular system that you can upgrade with additional battery storage as budget allows. It brings the initial outlay cost down from 8-10k to 4k. Still expensive but far more achievable for many. EV Puzzle recently posted a video on it.

[@chillmeister]

Great video Andrew, I totally agree with you about V2H (or whatever it gets called) being a game changer. If I see you at Fully Charged Live I'll be sure to say "hello" - Flaviana I'll be sure to leave in peace.

[@MrEV]

Definitely say hello!

[@fraserburchill9261]

hi. I’m just about to upgrade my MG ZS to a long range Trophy and this is the video about V2L I was looking for.Thank you for such a clear and informative post. With electricity prices going up so much and the differential between night and day so much, I’m hoping to make use of V2L on a very regular basis.

[@MrEV]

Great to hear! I love that MG have committed to V2L. Baffling so many other manufacturers are lagging behind.

[@qrlee6762]

Thank you for this demonstration. V2L works in an emergency. How delightful?! Ioniq 5 is so comfortable to drive... I hope in the future V2L will be compatible with all EVs like USB (Universal Serial Bus). What is going on in Ukraine makes me think that EVs can be handy on the run compare to gasoline powered vehicles.

[@michalf8339]

e-Niro saved my day too a few months back... It's really so great to have some backup power you can use at home...

[@MrEV]

How did that work? Can you spec the e-Niro with a socket in your region?

[@legofanessex]

Nice one. I was disappointed not to have any power cuts so I could sit smugly in the house ha ha.

[@thorbjrnhellehaven5766]

Would be nice to wire the house to prepare for this situation. Have a switch on essential circuits to flip them to alternative supply. And have a 16A CEE input on the outside. Then you just have plug in the cable, and flip the applicable switch. And no cables though open doors, windows, drawers and cabinets. This kind of wiring would allow any external backup supply, V2L or just a traditional generator. I think the essentials are (in this order): freezer and refrigerator (you don't want food to go bad) bathroom lights (you don't want to miss the toilet making mess on the floor) coffee (you want to stay focused) internet, TV and computer etc. (you want to stay connected) To go even one step further, you could have smart switching. Cycling through to stay within maximum power, and a request button to switch on high power device (like coffee) on demand. I guess for "emergency" purpose, the cost of smart switching would probably not be defendable compared to manual switching.

[@jacktyler7599]

Andrew, here in the States EV uptake has been slow...but things are accelerating. The truck I purchased last year (for towing our caravan) is a hybrid and we run the caravan electrically for a week or more, all automated, using the truck. Last year a massive Texas storm killed domestic electricity for weeks and this kind of truck was a savior for some.

[@MrEV]

Fascinating.

[@michaelmcdonald2342]

Looks awesome, I live in South Africa so get pretty used to power cuts here. Something really useful is look for a 12v backup ups. They are only about £20 and the 12v output runs my wifi router and small appliances

[@briansmith7443]

I'm really excited to take delivery of my I5, but not until Jan2023 at the moment. V2H/V2G is something I am really excited about. I am looking to go for the Indra Smart pro as I can rent one through Egg (I rent my house currently) and there maybe the possibly to upgrade it to the Smart Pioneer in the future. They are currently trialling a V2H unit so I am keeping my fingers crossed that becomes an option in the near future. Chargin up at work and then running my home over night for free essentially is very cool!!

[@hometechUK]

That's great, VTL should be standard as not that expensive. This should be in all EVs. Great for emergency backup. Even just for fridge freezer .

[@tysonb1486]

This was a great video. I worry I couldn't heat my whole home with this set up in the dead of Canadian cold winters. In an emergency I think I'd need atleast 4800 watts x 2 to run two construction heaters. Anyways I subscribed thanks for a relaxing video.

[@dgr999]

Good to hear power cut lasted only 11 hours. I noticed when you walked back to house, looked like you have a heat pump, would be good to hear whats its like living with one.

[@MrEV]

Yes - we'll be doing videos about the heat pump and solar thermal in the coming weeks.

[@JonathanPorterfield]

Great video , not ALL Leaf can do V2H , or V2G , only the uk built leaf can on the chadamo side , the Japanese leaf in the uk from 2011/13 can't bi directional charge on the DC side. So if you have a Acenta/ Tekna old shape Leaf then your fine !

[@MrEV]

I had no idea! Thanks JP! Just a shame the wallboxes are so expensive. 😔

[@opakistrano]

Great pieces of informations you provided with this video! Thanks. I didn't know ioniq 5 could give up to 3.6 kW/h .. By the way I would like to share 1 info: take a look to the new Fisker Ocean and its V2L / V2H feature And 1 considération: fridge just beside the oven and microwave is just against energy efficiency 😅

[@evaddicted3224]

I really look forward to seeing cars with vehicle to house capability. Having one of those, one might only need 8 kWh home battery and then use the car battery to power the house. I recently had a quote for 8.2 kWh home battery system and it came to 6500 pound.

[@lumbarsupport]

£6,500 is a hell of a lot. Hard to understand the financial justification, and if an EV is used to power a home anyway, why the need for a battery?

[@pinkelephants1421]

It might be worth considering installing an external H2O safe power outlet normally used for outdoor power tools but one that connects so that the house can draw power without having to have the window open on cold days. Just need to plug cable from car into it - assuming this is technically possible of course.

[@harley883ap]

When i get a car with V2L i will be looking for the best coffee machine probably have to be a environmentally harmful pod one but wont take long to pay for itself with all the £5 plus spent at starbucks etc while charging or even better now i try to use tesla chargers as a lot of those dont have the coffee chains near by

[@MrEV]

That’s a great idea!

[@CED99]

The fridge isn't doing anything at present, it will draw more if it is running the compressor

[@NorthernEVexperience]

you could tie it in to your panel like a generator and power most of the stuff you need, you would have to selectively not use stuff like ovens and such

[@Paul.Woodcraft]

Could be really useful to power the central heating pump going. NB I don't think batteries will work without a 50hz supply from the grid, interesting to find out if the 50hz supply from the car would enable battery storage to function.

[@aronandreas]

Must be awesome in the construction place

[@cafecars-uk]

I was also thinking about v2h from my ioniq 5 as I pay 5pence per kw at night to charge the car battery and 30 pence per is during the day to run my home on the new increased tariff. Therefore it would be good to run the washing machine or kettle off the car via an extension lead as they use a lot of power and this would make it 6x cheaper!

[@rustyjoints4857]

Definitely an option that maybe should be standard if the vehicle’s capable. Would be nice if the ZOE could do it, would be ideal because of the large battery size.

[@FrankBlissett]

The EV trucks coming into production in the USA have 120- & 240-volt outlets built in.

[@dirkjordy9point714]

Was going to be my camping party trick, but unfortunately, my company car leasing group, cancelled my original(Oct 21)Ionic 5 order a couple of weeks ago, only to offer it again, but only without V2L and bump the monthly cost up £25! Like all manufacturers, I believe they have alsorts of supply issues. I'm still giving it a go but I won't believe I'll have it, till it's in front of me and keys are in hand.

[@TheDaztheraz]

Would be handy if could do via the charger point, but maybe that is on the cards

[@ecoworrier]

5:05 16 hours at max output at which point you just drive to the nearest working DCFC and come back full again. Rinse and repeat.

[@MrEV]

That's very true. We have IONITY only about 15 minutes away so it would work quite nicely for us.

[@markymarkreviews]

Excellent real world video. I have a large solar system and Tesla PW, and luckily was sunny the day before the storm so made sure it was fully charged (13.5kWh usable). In the end no power cuts here and of course the Tesla PW takes over seamlessly when called upon (the house lights etc do not go off, the PW just takes over immediately. This PW reaction time has improved over the years). But nice to know I could have used the P45 if needed (but a bit more hassle going out to car and connecting up cables etc. Would not have been nice in the midst of a terrible storm). This just shows how EVs and the fact that they are an electrical Energy Storage solution, and are far more advantageous than ICE vehicles on the driveway. Roll on V2G/V2H. No brainer.

[@stever656]

I think your right imagine vehicle to grid and if you use car say afternoon and evenings to power house and charge it at cheap rate in early hours it could help lower bills substantially

[@IDann1]

Thank you for your informative video, my family think I'm crazy to like an electric cars, they believe and old FUD the media feeds them, today they particularly had a good shout at me, and feeling quite depressed 😐

[@cbromley562]

Shout back.;) We’ve been driving electric for the past 3 years. We have two now…gone are our old combustion engine crap.

[@arjen580]

Get yourself an EV and a new family. All of your problems solved 🙃

[@MrEV]

That is depressing. My parents read the Daily Mail so I'm well aware just how much of a battle it can be. Stay strong and they'll come around soon enough.

[@olbi4157]

I hope your wife enjoys your ioniq 5 a bit more now an you may keep it 😂 Good to see you and your family are well.

[@MrEV]

It's certainly going to help swing things in my favour!

[@elektrischverhaal5166]

MG is also external. 2,5 KW maximum output

[@madonemt]

I hope in the future we can all use our cars in lieu of fixed home storage. Much larger battery to help with bills. Charge the car from solar, or off peak and use a portion of its battery to power the car during more expensive times. 70kw+ of potential energy as opposed to around 10kw for mid to large sized home storage systems. So much potential for the grid as a whole. Biggest downside to renewables is their intermitency. Let's solve that too!

[@harryadam1671]

MG ZSev 2022 has V2L externally from type 2 socket - rated up to 2.2kW. No info. as yet on the adapter required. It woul;d be interesting to see if the Hyundai one works on the MG.

[@josephm8292]

He's a natural presenter.

[@JustManeuvering]

You have to use one small extension “papa/papa” simply connected to any of your home power socket with OFF plugs on your home entrance box. Then you will have all house powered simultaneously.

[@arjen580]

I was just wondering about this, could it work? And if not, why not? @mr.EV, can you make a video about it?

[@davidbraithwaite2820]

Need to be very careful doing this. I believe you need special permission & a cut out to isolate the house from the grid. Otherwise there’s a danger of feeding 240v back to the grid, potentially injuring anyone working on the fault. Great video as normal by the way Andrew.

[@JustManeuvering]

@@arjen580 for sure it will work, but also you need to be sure the power grid is cut off, as I mentioned on the entrance in main box, both 0 and phase. And one more, need to monitor your ttl load not exceeding 3,6 kWh

[@arjen580]

@@JustManeuvering a little brainstorm alright. I’m not that afraid of passing the 3,6 marker. Right now it’s dark so the PV is out and we’re pulling 2,3 by running the dishwasher, TV and all the appliances for it, about 7/8 lights and a unknown numbers of adapter’s and chargers for small appliances. Manual cutting of the power is easy by pulling the 3 circuit breakers which are the first breakers on the power cord entering our home. I do not recognize your remark about the 0 (?) maybe we have other requirements here in The Netherlands? Next to the junction box I have a free socket to plug a papa. All I need is the EV6 that we ordered for March and is delayed for two months. So if this is all it takes, why would anyone (I) bother buying a bidirectional charger about two years from now when they are coming to the market for a sort of reasonable price? Because in my mind, the car is my mobile house battery and powers my house the moment the PV is not delivering, and therefore I thought I needed a bidirectional charger…

[@pootispiker2866]

This is a ridiculously boneheaded move. If you close breakers when the grid comes back with the EV still on, you'll destroy the onboard inverter. If you do it when the grid's not on, you could kill someone working on the power lines.

[@michaelbruton3537]

Good job that you'd got a near fully charged battery or it could have been embarrassing if you'd flattened the battery as well as the power cut But an excellent use of VTL

[@JeanPierreWhite]

I think you missed the bit where he explained the system will cutoff the V2L capability at a percentage chosen by the car owner. He chose 20% in this video. He could have chosen 70% or any value in between.

[@kinross24]

You’ll need to trip your main switch on the consumer unit when using the V2L in your house in case you plug into your house circuits and power leaks onto the grid and engineers working on the lines get zapped.

[@benjonessss]

@Glen Douglas - how would that work? The devices are all plugged into the car and are no longer plugged into the house/grid.

[@kinross24]

@@benjonessss just to beware as some could make a mistake and power a device that actually powers another still plugged to the grid

[@David-ju5ci]

Very good real time video.

[@Dingbat217]

There's two different V2X varieties, the ones with the inverter in the vehicle and the ones using an external inverter. The Ioniq 5 / Kia EV6 uses aon onboard inverter where you then plug straight into the adaptor, and the Wallbox approach currently uses the CHAdeMO plug to connect to the high-voltage DC battery and then inverts that to mains voltage. There is absolutely no reason as to why there could not be a CCS-version of the Wallbox approach, and when that comes out _any_ vehicle with a CCS adaptor will then be able to be used with the external inverter but that will come at an additional cost of the external inverter, and they are not cheap! The Ioniq 5 / EV6 are using onboard inverters to directly provide the mains voltage from the adaptor which I think is a better approach as the hardware is already there and it's just a question or programming it to provide V2H / V2G on top of the already provided V2L feature, but the vehicles have to have a bi-directional inverter / charger for this to work. The Wallbox external inverter approach will work with any vehicle that has the high-voltage DC battery pins in the CCS plug but so far only the CHAdeMO plug has been used for his.

[@michaelpetersen6243]

As the Ioniq 5 has the onboard inverter is a special charging box then needed? Wouldn't any charge box let the AC pass the other way? I am looking for a charge box prepared for V2G, so I am prepared if the Ioniq 5 get an update to enable the V2G option. Do you know a charge box prepared for V2G?

[@Dingbat217]

@@michaelpetersen6243 Not yet for CCS and I'm not sure what happens when you change between the V2L mode and charging mode and if you can do that simply by messing with the resistor signalling on the CP and PP lines or not and I haven't tried that on mine yet. 😲 Whatever the V2G turns out to be from Hyundai we will need to wait and see how much external switch gear is needed and exactly how the switch between the two modes have been implemented.

[@michaelpetersen6243]

@@Dingbat217 yes, and interesting if the onboard inverter fulfils the standards and requirements for grid compliance, as a solar power inverter does, and only af SW update is needed to enable the function including an app for controlling the charge/decharge pattern.

[@briansmith7443]

@@michaelpetersen6243 Indra are currently trialling a home charger for V2H/V2G, I am sure others are too, but check out their website for updates.

[@leesmith9299]

i bet you were delighted when you realised there'd been a power cut!

[@dudley7540]

He was out there dropping trees on wires for content for us!

[@MrEV]

Delighted is the wrong word, but the previous occasions it happened was at night so I was pleased it happened in daylight this time!

[@Whereswally606]

So annoyingly if you have solar and you get a powercut because of islanding the supply to prevent killing any linemen working on the line this means you dont get to use the solar you could be using. A really neat trick would be a dc input to the car from the house solar and simulateously provide v2l as it already does. Then you could wait out a return to grid power alot longer.

[@Whereswally606]

Also glynn hudson did a good review of a camping induction hob that did true power control rather than pwm of the coil. Cant remember the name but id check out his channel before buying an induction hob will be kinder to your car battery

[@yvs6663]

well i think most cars can run a 12V inverter with about 1kW of power. but other than running stuff that already can be run of of 12V(fridges, laptops, USB powered stuff, chargers) that is maybe enough power for a toaster or a travel version of a kettle and the biggest problem is the fact that the car is powered on so if someone wanted, they could brake in the car and drive off. plus it uses some power to keep the dash lit up.

[@simonpritchard472]

Well that would be 83 Amps on the 12v side so you'd have to be pretty careful that the battery and its charging system could cope...

[@yvs6663]

@@simonpritchard472 i didn't come up with that number. nor did i try or want to try to use my car in that way. simply coz if anything goes wrong, the manufacturer would probably just go "well its not our fault u used it in a way its not meant to be used" and do nothing.

[@leesmith9299]

i bet your caravan electric kettle would be good to use. tend to be less than 1kw

[@MrEV]

True, although we never got a special one for the caravan actually!

[@CED99]

If you are using extension leads you probably shouldn't be daisy chaining them for any length of time (it's fine for emergencies) and you should probably fully uncoil them so that they don't generate as much heat.

[@t4bs594]

Excellent video, thanks. Essential feature, well worth the £365 or so. The work you had done on your house looks nice and I was very impressed by how tidy your fridge is. I showed it to my girlfriend as inspiration for a tidy fridge here 🙂. I've ordered a Tesla Model 3 for a November delivery. I hope that gives Tesla time to add V2L🤞. You mentioned in the video that you have electric heating? I'd be very interested to hear more about that, as I assume others would.

[@MrEV]

We'll do some videos on the heat pump and solar thermal in the next few weeks. As for the clean fridge - thank you! No food stays in there for long! Enjoy your Model 3. Lovely car!

[@5kram]

How about getting a 100 amp transfer switch fitted to the feed to the consumer unit feed. That way you could just throw the switch and run the whole house of the V2L unit you would just need to be aware of the loads that you are switching on. Saves all the extension leads and you would get the house lights working. With the size of the ioniq 5 battery you could get away without using the grid just switch back to the grid so that you can charge your car on the cheap rate night.

[@MrEV]

Thanks Mark - I will explore doing something like that as it makes much more sense.

[@jamespeterson7100]

I recently got the a limited ioniq 5 here in the US however I can’t see to open the v2L out,et in my rear seat. I tried both keys in the two fobs that were given to me with the vehicle and neither one opens it is there another key somewhere in the vehicle that I’m not aware of??

[@nxtiak]

Do you have the internal V2L outlet under the rear seats? Does that work only if the car is on?

[@MrEV]

There is, and yes - it only works when the car’s on.

[@giancola123]

Another potential V2L car is the Genesis GV60, not that anyone ever mentions that car when talking about the IONIQ 5 and EV6.

[@MrEV]

It’s not mentioned because it’s not available yet, but it seems like it’ll be great.

[@boswachter51]

Does it work with all types Ioniq5?

[@MrEV]

I’m actually not sure! I don’t know if the lower trims have the required internal hardware. If you find out, let me know!

[@boswachter51]

@@MrEV yes, it worked on my Ioniq!

[@dominicwild3189]

You may be able to get away with connecting V2L to your 10A power point, but you better not foget to switch off the grid at the master switch as otherwise you are killing a linesman fixing the grid.

[@judebrown4103]

Hi Andrew, just to let you know I didn't get a notification for this video, I've tapped the bell icon again in hopes I don't miss any more. Glad to hear the Ioniq 5 came into its own. We were lucky here in our end of Boughton village, escaped the power cuts for a change! I can't quite understand what is the difference between V2L and V2H? ... Its not like the house has a main three pin plug socket you can use to plug in from the car... 🤔 Hope you escaped Franklin without further cuts or damage! Really useful video, very informative, just generated that one question.. 👍

[@MrEV]

I'm glad you weren't affected by power-cuts! V2L: When you plug appliances into the car V2H: When the car powers the whole home instead of getting electricity from the grid (which requires a dedicated V2G wallbox and some internal electrical work) Very similar though! V2H certainly easier in a power-cut situation as there's no faffing around with dubious daisy-chained extension leads then!

[@judebrown4103]

@@MrEV ah so the V2G wallbox is a sort of temporary bypass from the consumer unit I guess... 🤔

[@scottwills4698]

You can get a home battery installed from 5k. At least you could run your solar with it.

[@MrEV]

We were quoted far more than that to have a battery large enough to keep the house going and protected from the grid. I will get more quotes though!

[@wobby1516]

Can you also do the same with the 13 amp outlet inside you car. We also had a power cut, I ran a lead from my Motorhomes inverter to boil a kettle in the house.

[@MrEV]

I see no reason why not, although strangely I tried using the internal socket to use a vacuum once and it didn't work. The outside socket worked fine. I never worked out why! I'll have to try again.

[@ChrisWhittenMusic]

Ha, funny. the opposite for us. Power just back on after 52 hours. My i5 was at 38% when the power cut happened, so I didn't want to drain the battery and further in case we needed the car for something. And of course I couldn't recharge it unless I drove to a public charging point, but a lot of the roads around us were closed due to fallen trees.

[@MrEV]

52 hours?! That's terrible. I hope you and the family are ok?

[@AllElectricLiving]

You could always charge a home battery system from it using a battery charger plugged in to the car and then the battery’s feed the house via a inverter

[@pootispiker2866]

That just seems needlessly wasteful

[@johng5474]

Yes the new MGZS has V2L from the front charger.

[@JulianIlett]

Indeed the new MG ZS EV does have V2L from the front charge socket (as John said) which can supply 2.2kW. There's a similar 20% to 80% setting on the 'discharge' display. The only problem is that nobody has yet seen the 'discharge cable' (which is an optional extra) either in the UK or in Europe as far as I'm aware. If I'm wrong, please correct me and give me a link to where I can buy one.

[@borisdemelo]

The solar power is nice to help offset the useage as well. On a sunny day it’s supposed to output 200W, right?

[@lenimbery7038]

I've got an invertor that I can hook up to my Tesla 12v battery for just such an emergency. You can just leave the car in sentry mode so the large battery keeps the 12v topped up while you use it.

[@mikeselectricstuff]

But you can't get nearly as much power that way due to the high current at 12V

[@lenimbery7038]

@@mikeselectricstuff I can supposedly get at least a thousand watts. Enough to run the fridge by itself or other small appliances as long as I’m careful not to put too much on the circuit

[@francodellamura7471]

Hello Andrew, I hope you and your family are all well. Will you be reviewing the latest Genesis GV70? Best regards.

[@elektrischverhaal5166]

Volkswagen ID BuZz Will also get a kind off V2L/V2G?

[@bellshooter]

MG VTL is an external EVSE style socket on an extension, price not yet given (AFAIK) and 10 A so 2,2kW.

[@PassportToPimlico]

For you, home batteries must make sense, both for power cuts and for charging up off peak to use in the day.

[@MrEV]

It depends how long we decide to stay here though. We tend to move a lot!

[@david9192]

Love it ❣️

[@Morris1581]

MG ZS EV has V2L too. i think the new MG5 and MG4 have it to.

[@MrEV]

Yes! They seem like great cars.

[@nitelite78]

10:40 What's Harry Potter doing there? Has he come round to learn some electrical magic from the Ioniq 5?

[@LinasR]

Fuel burning generator does similar thing

[@MrEV]

But... it's burning fuel? Clearly this is better.

[@be236]

Can you do another video about Solar Roof?

[@MrEV]

I certainly will. I was hoping to drive somewhere sunny (like Italy!) to try it properly!

[@ScrapKing73]

Three things. One, you guys are lucky that you can output 3.6 kW from the Ioniq 5 and EV6. In practical terms, I think the average person in Canada or the U.S. would be hard pressed to get even the maximum 1.9 kW of output (120v@16a). Most regular wall outlets, and therefore most appliances, are rated for 1.44 kW (120v@12a) here in North America. You could try to run a power extension cord, but most of those are also rated only for the 12a/1.44 kW standard, so that could be sketchy if you tried to run something off of it that is trying to draw the full 1.9 kW, or multiple appliances trying to draw up to 1.44 kW. A wildcard would be whether you can simultaneously output from both the car charge port and from the outlet inside the car? Then maybe you can exceed 1.44 or 1.9 kW? That would have the inconvenience of needing to run two extension cords into the house (one of which would be coming from the inside of the car), but (if so) at least you could do it. That's worth looking into, IMO. And if you could somehow find two extension cords that both supported 120v@16a (if such things even exist, I've never seen one) then in theory maybe you could actually get the full 3.6 kW? Two, this feature is absolutely killer, and I won't replace our current EV with a new one unless it has this feature! Even if it is a mere 1.4 kW output. Though our (typically) huge refrigerators in North America would use a lot more power than the one shown in your video. ;) Three, "power cut" is an interesting way to describe it. Where I live (on Canada's west coast) we typically describe it as a "power outage", or just "an outage" for short. (I'm just as big a language nerd as I am an EV nerd. ;) )

[@ScrapKing73]

Update: one website successfully tested using both outlets (the one in the back seat, and the one in the charging port with adaptor) simultaneously, and they did both function. That's the good news. However, this website claimed that the maximum output for both was 1.9 kW. What a strange restriction. If the European car can output 3.6 kW, why can't the North American car output up to a maximum of 3.6 kW distributed at up to a maximum of 1.9 kW per port? Weird. Well, weird if the claim from that particular website is true. They tested 1.7 kW of output out of one outlet, and only 30 W from the other, so their claim remains unproven. But if the claim comes from Hyundai, they surely ought to know?

[@cwt5654]

@@ScrapKing73 Think it is a current (amps) restriction. European voltage is 2x US therefore outputs ~ twice the power.

[@ScrapKing73]

@@cwt5654 Both European and North American panels are 240v. European panels output 240v to each outlet, North American panels output half to each outlet. But, that means if you have two outlets on opposite phases of the panel you can access the entire 240v. There are even extension cords that are designed this way, with two plugs (generally one short and one long) that are designed to be plugged into two outlets to merge into one 240v outlet at the end of the extension cord (with certain restrictions). Since there ARE two outlets, it opens up the possibility to access the full 240v@16a, if the car were designed that way. So is it? Can I run two extension cords and get the same 3.6 kW of the European car (or even 3.8 kW)? I see no reason that it couldn't/shouldn't have been designed that way.

[@pootispiker2866]

@@ScrapKing73 No, it wouldn't work like that. The split phases in US homes are out of phase by a certain angle, and you could easily damage the load or inverters by running them in a configuration in which there is no protection. Inverters really, really don't like being fed power

[@shortbits23]

Hi Andrew, thanks for the excellent video. Does your car have an internal 3 pin plug, maybe it's EV6. I am looking for an EV which I can charge with my off grid solar array while still drawing energy from the EV for the house. Does anyone know if such a car exists?

[@MrEV]

It does have an internal 3-pin, but you can’t charge the car and power devices at the same time unfortunately.

[@gino2465]

That is really fantastic idea, my question is your using a standard 13amp plug so what is the load on all your circuits, how is your loads protected to make them safe for you and your family. I live very rural and we have power cuts like you, some for days. I put in a diesel generator using a switching battery devise so we don't have lots of wires all over the home that could be dangerous.. I am changi g my genrrator so I can charge my ev as my last power cut was 3 days off grid. Luckily we had some nice days and my ev charged using solar. You may want to think about using 48vdc battery's and a hybrid inverter. I have an off grid system using leisure battery's.

[@dcvariousvids8082]

Current is flowing through a fused 3-pin plug. Plus everything with a UK wall plug, will have its own fused plug. So I think his house electrics are safe.

[@gino2465]

@@dcvariousvids8082 a fuse and an rcd protection are 2 differant subjects. Why do we have a consumer unit fitted with rcd, rcbos. I don't think just feeding an appliance and protecting it with a 13 amp fuse is OK. I would suggest always using rcd to protect humans livestock and property.

[@matpat2636]

It’s not connected to the main house ring. It’s just powering the appliances plugged into the extension cords; not the whole house.

[@gino2465]

@UCMQfoo04ngcjsB_HbYM5vJQ my question was how does this device protect the home user in the event of a fault in that appliance. Yes there are many homes in the uk that have old systems more privately owned as now a days rented are now inspected and this would have to be upgraded for safer homes. Advise would be given to any new circuit added to old systems. I am very intrested in the protection from faults if not connected to a home consumer unit. So what's built in to this device as a safety feature. There are many things that are not right and even what we all do.

[@ianmenai]

Andrew the 3.6 Kw is only available with the schuko continental socket, with the UK socket you are limited to 10 amps i.e. 2.3Kw. This is because the UK 13 amp plug is only rated for 10 amp over a long period. Quite why it rated at 13 amps heaven only knows! Run a plug at 10 amps and it does get quite warm, at 13 amps it gets rather hot after a time! Also the MG ZS EV LR has V2L as an external I understand it. That is limited to 2.3 Kwh. Enough to boil a kettle though! As for house batteries, you only really need 13 or so Kwh to cover you for most eventualities, even a 8 Kwh will probably be OK for most households. As for induction hobs, their current consumption is approx 32amps flat out! This is about the limit for most inverters. Finally the price of house batteries is coming down much the same with vehicle batteries, so your estimate might be a bit high!

[@MrEV]

Thanks Ian. The battery cost was what a local company quoted me. I’m looking for other quotes!

[@ianmenai]

@@MrEV I would! You might find, as I did, the best prices are from companies based 'Up North' for some good reason which I can't understand!

[@kinross24]

MG also now with V2L

[@iangardner2311]

What's involved in drawing power from your Leaf? You mention it allowed via the chademo plug.

[@MrEV]

You'd need a dedicated charger called a Wallbox Quasar. Sadly, it's a very expensive piece of kit. Octopus Energy are doing trials of it at the moment. octopusev.com/powerloop

[@alanbrad3727]

EVM got his 8kwh battery with install for under £4000

[@MrEV]

Really?! I’ve been quoted substantially more.

[@alanbrad3727]

Evm was a giv energy system. About 11mins 30seconds into video for price he paid. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYWTp5SefJt9hrc

[@alanbrad3727]

Obviously depends where you live and where system will go.

[@davidbraithwaite2820]

This will be the main subject of my visit to Fully Charged Live this year. Biggest problem is getting good independent advice for your own particular situation.