Power Wagon or Rebel - We Compare Ram’s Ultimate Off-Roaders To See Which One Is Best For You!

[@TFLoffroad]

CORRECTION: As some commenters have already pointed out, the cabs are not the same (though very similar inside, especially up front). The 2019 RAM HD continues to use the same cab as it has since 2010. Legroom listed in the video is incorrect as well (sadly we looked at the identical 40.9-inches of FRONT seat legroom and mistakenly thought it was rear). 2500 Power Wagon Crew Cab rear legroom: 40.2-inches 1500 Rebel Crew Cab rear legroom: 45.2-inches. Our apologies for the error.

[@ggqbc]

Where is the next video?

[@fuz793]

TFLoffroad is there any reason why RAM has not updated the cab? For that price I would expect the HD would at least have the same creature comforts as the smaller version, especially when you are giving up that towing number? #PowerWagonCabinUpdate

[@laingadaing]

Give me an ecodiesel power wagon. If its payload limited by the suspension anyway the ecodiesel makes sense.

[@shawnriddle3018]

@Richard Constantino wouldnt be a Power wagon with a diesel. It's an off road truck.

[@shawnriddle3018]

Do you have any idea what you can tow with 10,500lbs limit?

[@josephwhiskeybeale]

Power Wagon don’t care!

[@SamKhan-rd4rs]

Nathan all the way

[@danieltorquemadajr5395]

I still think that ram should have the option of having a 6.4L on the 1500’s and instead of having 410hp that it should at least come with 450hp so that it not as powerful as the SRT products that was its not considered an srt . Well i would love for it to actually have the 485hp but 450hp will do.

[@MrCN173]

I don’t necessarily disagree but is there something your 6.4 wont do w its current #’s?

[@Rinconmaniac]

I decided to purchase the 2019 Power wagon. For me the fit is better. I don’t really tow and rarely will load it. I love the better off road capability and the looks. I’ve had it for about a month now and love it. It’s a beast of a truck. I factory ordered it and have only one regret about the set up. I wish I would have opted for the front and side cameras.

[@ramtrucks721]

Ur not old enough to drive loser

[@okigojuryu]

@@ramtrucks721 and yet his comment is more mature than yours.

[@Italianborn]

So you don't tow a lot but you bought a 6.4 v8 ??

[@Rinconmaniac]

Alessandro Terracciano Yup, it’s a pavement princess. It’s nice to have the money to drive what I want.

[@Italianborn]

@@Rinconmaniac definitely agree on that but even tho i could afforded I don't tow as well so i went and bought a brand new v6 pentastar..enough power for my off road and camping and still making 700km with 65$ of a tenk..i guess it's different opinions

[@kingpin3919]

Power wagon is a beast but I'm anxiously awaiting the TRX

[@PartoftwotwentyyouthAtWGBC]

It will be expensive as heck

[@hajikilla91]

Around $90K-$105K with Dealer Mark Up…🤷🏻‍♂️😭🤦🏻‍♂️

[@quintili1]

I like my diesel ZR2 but damn I still want a Power Wagon. Throw some 35's on it and you're good to go.

[@ryanjack9633]

Power wagon just needs taller tires help the pumpkin clearance. Still a beast would have already bought one if I didn't have such a long commute to work.

[@dofgefan528]

The bumper step is installed at the factory. Also if you get a Quad cab it will come with a 6'4" bed not the 5'7" bed so both configurations have the same wheelbase.

[@famoffive831]

#facts Step comes with the bed utility group package...The PW is only available with the quad cab 6'4" bed as well...

[@dofgefan528]

@@famoffive831The current iteration of the PW is only available as a Crew Cab/6'4" configuration only. As a matter of fact you can't get a quad cab 2500 at all.

[@nilsjohansson9739]

Dear Rebel, call me in 60 years when your still in production, until then POUND SAND! lol! Come on man! It's a freakin Power Wagon!

[@bobbymulwee7641]

Power Wagon with AEV upgrades and 40's is my dream truck

[@shawnriddle3018]

yes sir, i finally got mine in 2015 Prospector Power Wagon with 37's

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

I understand MPG and rollover concerns, but the PW should come from the factory with 35-36" offroad tires standard.

[@james2042]

Mpg means nothing in 2500's, it's legal to have 5mpg highway on those trucks. Its purely safety

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

@@james2042 yes and no. The entire lineup of a manufacturer has to meet certain MPG guidelines under CAFE.

[@james2042]

@@richfarfugnuven6308 CAFE does not regulate trucks class 2b or larger. So any truck in that classification is exempt. For ram that means their only fuel regulated pickup is the ram 1500.

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

@@james2042 that is correct, however they snuck in a new rule where manufacture have to average a certain MPG over their entire line including these trucks.

[@james2042]

@@richfarfugnuven6308 source? i cant find anything about mpg on these trucks. Emissions on the other hand theres plenty

[@fntony4967]

Should have shown the "as tested" pricing...

[@toofastnobrakes]

The cab dimensions are not the same! The 2019 cab was updated only in the 1500, the 2500-3500 stayed the same as the 4th gen. The new 2019 crew cab is 3in longer than the old cab that's on the power wagon. And the rear seat can slightly recline

[@Bob_3326]

Only on the larmies n limited 1500s rebel rear seats don't recline and they added 4" to the crew cab rear cabin along with a flat load floor.

[@ArtofHunter]

Power Wagon is solid front/rear axle, dual locked with D/C swaybar. It's the better choice for offroad. Rebel would be better for on road with some lighter offroad.

[@EGGINFOOLS]

You should talk more about when you can actually use the sway bar disconnect and lockers. Some vehicles are only allowing certain aids to be used while in 4low etc.. Also talk about crawl ratios and heating in the rear, trans and transfer case.

[@kenfardoe5646]

Do an mpg run! Would love to see what the power wagon gets with that 8spd transmission and how much of difference there is between these two trucks in mpg.

[@youngblood23rb]

Best MPG in my 17 Rebel is well 17mpg combined, I think the MPG equals the year, 19s will get 19 lol

[@sfmingura]

Watched a video from an actual PW owner, he said is average was 11mpg.

[@haroldcummingd2267]

Our Power Wagon in town gets 12 -13. Hwy 14-15

[@albertatundra]

You need to compare the Powerwagon with the Tremor. That is the real market comparison.

[@willb3018]

Somehow I think the Tremor will be just as disappointing as the Power Wagon. Maybe for different reason, but disappointing nonetheless.

[@thawk1435]

It's a pretty easy comparison one's going to be a better truck the other is a better off-road vehicle. What do you personally need/want more?

[@UNREAL8745]

I can’t see how the Powerwagon is disappointing in any realm except for towing and payload. However, the Tremor isn’t going to come close to how the Powerwagon performs as instead of a front locking differential, it gets a limited slip, which isn’t too shabby off-road, but compared to a locking differential, not nearly as useful and dependable. Not to mention, the Tremor doesn’t have a disconnecting front sway bar or a winch. So yes, I’m looking forward to when they compare the two, but the Powerwagon will almost certainly walk away the better of the two. And for future reference, NO, the fact the Tremor is offered with a diesel will NOT help it off-road. The weight would hinder it useless in mud or loose terrain unless it had an extra axel with two more wheels.

[@samduran5180]

@@shitloveaduck Who cares RAM/ Dodge has always been more reliable so that's better in any book

[@samduran5180]

@@shitloveaduck Your right brotha, you as well.

[@acampbell89]

The Power Wagon sounded tremendously better!

[@TheUnsureFox]

Love the rebels interior, but the Power Wagon wins it overall.

[@JonnyRibz]

Power Wagon all day when it comes to sound

[@digger450r]

I went through the same debate when i bought my new 2017, new rebel and power wagon both sitting there on the lot. Decided to go for the rebel since it could haul and tow more and was cheaper, and only made 15 less hp.

[@74beeper97]

Not the same cab.... The 1500 has a flat floor in the rear..... 2500/3500 have the driveshaft hump.

[@LakeLifeTrucker]

same cab shell, different floor

[@willb3018]

For sue. Not sure how he missed that. I saw another review that said 2500/3500 was flat.

[@Moparornocar74]

@@LakeLifeTrucker The cabs are completely different, the HD cab is straight from the previous generation with an updated interior. The 1500 cab is new rockers to roof

[@XploreAz]

@@LakeLifeTrucker different cabs. The new 1500 is bigger than the Mega Cab in passenger space.

[@jthiele1514]

You said cabs are identical, but the Rebel has a flat floor in the back/ Power Wagon still has the hump. That flat floor is awesome for cargo.

[@arvislivingston9534]

The power wagon is my dream truck. It sounds better, although I've had a 5.7 and when you change the exhaust out it wakes up the 5.7 and sounds like a beast. I would take the power wagon, but would also consider the rebel with the ecodiesel.

[@843MudMafia.]

Power wagon with 35?

[@UtahBigfoothunter]

For what I want in a truck, the Power Wagon is set up much better for off-roading than the Rebel. The features that come stock on the PW, just can't be beat by any other non modified IFS vehicle. I do like the Rebel, but like the PW so much more, as it's just plain made better for off-roading. The only thing missing on the PW, is taller tires.

[@danielwilliamson1577]

I'd love a built Jeep built on the Power Wagon frame or an SUV of some kind. I realize it would basically be a Hummer or an Excursion, but still cool in my mind.

[@mikesavage9837]

I don’t think the cabs are the same. I believe the 1500 is larger and the HD is last years cab. Even in you video I can see differences in the rear door area under the seat. The side rear window on the wagon also appears to be smaller. Please correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think so. Also, the rear seats are different.

[@thawk1435]

I'm pretty sure you are right I test drove both of them when the new Rebel came out. The 1500 is bigger than 2500 other than the mega cab obviously.

[@UNREAL8745]

The Rebel gets a total of 3 inches for lift. The Rebel package is lifted an inch over a normal 4x4 and the air suspension gives it an additional 2 inches👍🏻

[@scruffster2497]

That red interior MUST GO. Give me black or silver-ish/ gray, if I want it changed I can do it later. I hate red and would not buy anything with red especially inside. 😋

[@aidanr1554]

Scruffster 2020 rebels you’ll be able to have the all black interior. I agree the red would get tiring to look at

[@stevenwright6573]

If FCA has any brains they need to add the 3.0 ecodiesel to the power wagon. Cummins straight 6 stops them from mounting the winch but that ecodiesel won't. 480 lb ft. is enough for the truck. That's more than the 6.4 and will get far better mileage. Win...win.

[@allenyee4782]

That's actrually a good idea.

[@ryang6k]

Fuel consumption is about 50% more on the power wagon. take that into account when buying. the running costs can be much more for the bigger truck

[@MrJamesLuz]

Power Wagon all day! I’d buy the Tradesmen with the Power Wagon package if I was in the market for (and could afford) a 3/4 ton pickup

[@jlbush8249]

MrJamesLuz The 2019 PW was being sold at 0% interest.

[@jmoranretana]

This guy knows his stuff.

[@shawnriddle3018]

You can buy that step at the dealer. MOPAR. Power Wagon tows great. I Pull my 10,000lbs 25 ft toy hauler R.V. trailer in soft beach and softer dune sand. Pulls hard with all 4 wheels. You dont want stiff springs off roading where stiff springs are NOT good for rough roads and flex of the suspension.

[@desiebare6437]

The wheelbase is the same on the rebel if you go from quad cab to crew the only way is if you get a crew cab with a 6.5 bed. Which you can't get in a rebel or I would have one.

[@terrencejones9817]

TFL already did this comparison. Why duplicate?

[@jsboening]

Cause he’s better at it.

[@mjg6377]

I will always stop what I'm doing to watch videos about Power Wagons and Rebels. I'm still waiting for the Rebel to add in the front camera, Off-Road Pages, and crawl control. Auto brake hold would be sweet too.

[@MyTubeUser321]

On paper, the Rebel rear seats offer more room than the PW, but in reality, the difference is negligible, especially when it depends on how the front seats are positioned.

[@danhambrick6331]

Power Wagon is the better off road truck.You just can't beat that bigger 6.4L Hemi.

[@rogerj412]

The PW definitely sounds better, though neither sound great in my opinion. That can be easily fixed. I've never liked the interior of the Rebel. I'm sure the seats are comfortable but I can't get over how ugly I find the red accents. RAM should make the red accents an option, I'm sure it wouldn't hurt sales in the slightest considering how few of these I see on the road vs every other RAM truck offered.

[@briansimon5801]

Roger J, 2020 Rebel now have option of black interior without the the red accents.

[@hajikilla91]

BTW The 2021 and 2022 models have the Deployable bed step that does come factory but it’s in the Bed Utility Group Package along with the Spray in Bed Liner, and LED Bed Lighting… JS🤷🏻‍♂️👍🏻

[@843MudMafia.]

It would be nice to see a zf 10 speed

[@Welcometofacsistube]

Darius Hope why

[@devn3813]

Darius Hope no

[@chrisbanks5098]

I have 2017 power wagon which has been a bit of a lemon lately my only advice is to the Ontario viewers stay as far away from raceway Chrysler as you can.

[@dajo4349]

Good videos. With buttons for front and rear locking differntials, what's the Axle Lock button do?

[@Jonesdawg79]

Rebel with the diesel is very intriguing... I would also do a Power Wagon if it came with a diesel hands down...

[@XxTournaquetxX]

Wow, I thought for sure the cabin was larger in the PW. I will admit though, my 2020 Ram CC is absolutely massive.

[@andrewrife6253]

With all of these videos about the towing of the power wagon vs the rebel, let's see an Ike gauntlet with both towing 10000lbs. Even though the power wagon is rated for less I'd bet it'll tow that number with a lot more comfort and rigidity than the rebel.

[@43amgc]

A shot of the door sill stickers for spec comparison would have been really informative, maybe you guys can add that along as lon g as you still have the trucks. Thanks

[@romelrodriguez9998]

Do you think we’ll get a Rebel with front and rear lockers & sway bar disconnect in the future??? That would be perfect 🤩

[@TKsw191145]

Isn’t the sway bar disconnect for the front axel due to it being solid front axel vice the IFS for the rebel which wouldn’t need it. The power wagon sounds better

[@rogerj412]

You can still have a disconnecting front sway bar even if you have IFS but it doesn't do as much for you off road.

[@theirthereandtheyre2947]

A neighbor has a lifted power wagon. It is awesome. Rambox too.

[@jsboening]

What’s the brake over and departure angle of the rebel if you get the air suspension?

[@mikekenner9218]

I love the Rebels and I do more towing. The payload and towing is better in the Rebel but the PW is badass! PW for me!!

[@joyroc885]

Which one do you buy? Isn't the answer always both?

[@Italianborn]

I checked sone older power wagon used to come with 5.7 too, infact i was looking to buy it

[@themn04]

the power wagon needs a leveling kit, slightly bigger tires and dual exhaust. Oh and why didnt you say anything about the hump in the back seat? PW needs to get rid of that.

[@jeepjoseph9036]

At 1:20 it's 429 lb ft of torque

[@michaelphipps4313]

Another great video 💪💪💪

[@SamKhan-rd4rs]

British Colombia is a lovely place man....

[@bladenrexroth2555]

Wish the power wagon had a diesel. Maybe some day FIAT will develop a 4.2 liter eco diesel to bridge that gap

[@UNREAL8745]

They should put a diesel in it, but only a small one like you just said. There’s good reason behind why they don’t offer the Cummins in it and that’s because of the much greater weight.

[@jlbush8249]

Taylon Fitch And no room for the winch and diesel intercoolers etc..

[@jimdoesburg9568]

I like the 5.7 sound because the exhaust system is better

[@ggqbc]

Im waiting for my new power wagon in october and you guys are a big reason why.. im also in bc so i cant wait to see your next vid. Im almost wondering if you guys could help me out some way by asking to look at my truck and tell them who you are so i can get a few k knocked off what i am paying lol. How long will you guys be in BC?

[@chaddunn2715]

I don’t know why the PW is on 3/4 ton platform. Why not a 1/2 ton? Or find away to add 1000 pounds of payload.

[@Joe-eg7ml]

I'm in the market for a truck and dont know which to get(between these tow)

[@aarons3008]

"Which Ram is best Ram" - RCR

[@cullinan18]

Wish you would have mentioned payload for both vehicles. Unless you're really a hard core off road person, the Rebel is a better pick, as it's a bit smaller, tows more, hauls more, and will be a better daily beast to handle.

[@donleamon8653]

A bit smaller? Oh, you mean height.

[@cullinan18]

@@donleamon8653 according to autoblog.com, the Rebel is about 7" shorter (less length, not height) and 5" less wheelbase.

[@jsboening]

Do the rear seats in the rebel recline?

[@rb13818]

The only thing that's holding me back on getting the trx rebel next year is that ugly shift knob

[@ssexpress4798]

The towing numbers are odd to me... the PW is based on the 3/4 ton and Rebel on 1/2 t. So what is the deal???

[@mckinneyguy]

Power wagon has soft off road suspension in the rear for better articulation. Otherwise it would pull 15000 all day.

[@jsboening]

I’d like to see a towing comparison between these two with a 10k load.

[@gransport4246]

Since towing capacity numbers don’t mean jack, please share their payload numbers. 99% of the people will exceed their payload rating without coming close to exceeding their so called towing capacity.

[@SylentONE]

Thank you! Towing capacity is so misleading. Give us the GWVR

[@paulm6481]

Power Wagon sounds better. Interior of Rebel looks much better with the red highlights. The exterior of Power Wagon is tacky and too much. Power wagon is more capable off-roader, Rebel better compromise for onroad and off-road. I take the Rebel.

[@daryoushborja5115]

Paul M Im not sure if the powerwagon can do anything better than the Ram Rebel. Ram Rebel is over 1000lbs lighter,you probably need disconnecting sway bars and front locker. Powerwagon makes a better platform to lift supper high and put some 40s on it.

[@willadams8558]

Paul M agreed. I have a 2017 Rebel and this was my thought process. I had to get real and as much as I’d like to be on the trails constantly it’s a weekend warrior truck (or once a month warrior). I’d rather live with the Rebel daily than the Power Wagon and still have the capability when I do need it.

[@jacehardy1243]

Those red plastic highlights look good on camera. They feel super cheap and look gaudy in person

[@brotherhoodofram8967]

Both are nice I still wish the power wagon could come with a Cummins. And I think it would been nice to see the 5.0 V8 Cummins in the half ton Rams

[@843MudMafia.]

6.4 need a little more power

[@brotherhoodofram8967]

@@843MudMafia. definitely

[@thawk1435]

How about going a different angle. They should put a rear locker on the regular 2500.

[@brotherhoodofram8967]

@@thawk1435 you can buy that from the dealership and turn your normal 2600 into some what of a power wagon

[@thawk1435]

@@brotherhoodofram8967 as far as I know you can only get a LSD on a standard 2500. ARB and other aftermarket options are available.

[@mminniear984]

6.4 is an SRT motor isn’t it?

[@shawnriddle3018]

No, www.allpar.com/mopar/V8/truck-hemi.html Forged internals. cross bolted mains

[@morganml3983]

Power Wagon!!!

[@davidking3311]

Came for the rain mudding, was sad to see both trucks still clean at the end of the video .

[@lylejohnson2360]

Didnt even explain why the tow rating was the it is....however anyone knows anything about off road focused trucks already knows the answer. Same reason why it does not come with a Diesel.

[@michaelstringer1840]

I can't wait to see the ram rebel trx.

[@therealchrisbrown24]

Power wagon. Hands down.

[@mcjrzeus]

The rebel has a new cab and it is long than the power wagon. The 2500 hundreds have the old cab new front 1500 have the new cab for now.

[@JRCohen]

When will Ram offer cooling seats?

[@nickpasler2629]

Ram has had cooling seats for years

[@DragonKnightX12]

Power Wagon gets vented seats

[@CleaningMyGun]

Very interesting comparison. You have to test a DIESEL REBEL.

[@haroldcummingd2267]

Power Wagon!! Ultimate showroom Apocalypse Vehicle.

[@digbrowndirt]

I think the rebel would be a better off road truck because it is sprung softer. HD trucks are too harsh bouncing down a dirt road especially if you can't tow as much.

[@thawk1435]

The Power Wagon does have a softer suspension than a standard Ram 2500. Hence the lower payload/tow rating.

[@jeepjoseph9036]

The powerwagon has softer suspension for offloading and that's why it doesnt have a cummin

[@Guest_32]

8:08 I thought he was talking about the snack bag lol

[@prestondeters5093]

That's the big disappointing thing about the new ram HD is the old cab design and too short short bed.

[@nelsontrick5660]

power wagon is still so much better, hence the lack of capability sacrificed for better off roading compared to a slightly modded 1/2 ton... u want capability in HD? get a 2500 with thr off road package... for crying out loud, the guys from tfl spend time a money improving their rebel and it still cant compare to a power wagon off road...

[@jurgenfroedrich2986]

Power wagon all the way . Great looking truck

[@TheMystro1971]

How is this even a comparison??? The Power Wagon is a monster and THE king of off road trucks. The Power Wagon is a purpose built off road truck from the frame up at the factory. The Rebel is a light duty truck with some off road add ons. They are zip codes apart. I think making comparisons like this is really to give the impression the Rebel “could” be a comparison to the Power Wagon. Ridiculous. You want/need the best off road truck you pony up the $$$$ for a Power Wagon.

[@haroldcummingd2267]

Did just that! Rebel is for off road. Power Wagon is for WAY-OFF road.

[@trevorb555]

There’s no comparison between these trucks. Power Wagon destroys the Rebel.

[@KARiM-G63]

The ultimate power wagon

[@boarder989]

Power Wagon all the way

[@modelerrrrr]

don't the heavy duties use the old gen cabs?

[@natetoland7537]

I don't think so

[@modelerrrrr]

@@natetoland7537 yes they are, that's why they still offer the mega cab and the single cab which aren't available on the 1500s, new everything for the heavy except cab and beds

[@brandonchilders2118]

Why doesnt Ram do something with the 6.4 liter Hemi. It's only got 15 more horses and 20 more ft lb of tq. They need to upgrade this engine!

[@DragonKnightX12]

Bring out a 7.X big block like Ford is

[@mrstevek118]

Love the inside of the rebel

[@collinh476]

I think power wagon

[@rondail5675]

Guys, what is the quality level of the RAM trucks? I like the Rebel but ...

[@jeepjoseph9036]

Powerwagon sounds better

[@eeazyy7748]

Cabs are not the same for 2019 and up. Lol the 1500 cab is actually larger