Power And Torque Competition: Battle of 347 Short Block Engine Builders - Horsepower S13, E5

The second annual Engine Builder Challenge is a rematch between Wyotech's Blairsville and Sacramento campuses. With a 347 cid Ford Racing short block and a $5,000 budget the teams match skills, and determination in their quest for the 2009 trophy.

[@nealpurdy1202]

Now this is the kind of "sporting" event i can get behind!

[@kathrynw3]

Screw the trophy, give the winner both motors.

[@CJColvin]

Agreed

[@jamesmartin-lb6br]

Kudos to Summit for sponsoring these guys for the competition. I have been buying from them for 20 years, and I'm glad to know they are a good vendor to spend my cash with

[@tomhamilton9140]

Thank you for more reliable SB Ford builds.

[@baby-sharkgto4902]

"Loddy doddy we likes to party" I died

[@cavscout62]

NEVER doubt AFR HEADS.🤘🏼

[@Turbo4Joe363]

Trick Flow makes great stuff, but AFR heads are hard to beat.

[@bramgroot8032]

at 7:33 you can see they fitted the oil seal the wrong way around..that should be fun.

[@jordankeller4754]

Saw that also

[@timothysanders431]

AFR Heads , comp cam !

[@aussiesupersnake6642]

I was going to say the same thing,more so the AFR heads

[@cgarris8674]

I've always heard every 1 point gain in static compression is worth a 4% increase in power.

[@dennisrobinson8008]

I've heard 4%. Believe i got it from David Vizard book in 1997. It probably depends upon camshaft and headflow.

[@fordnut4914]

Bloods vs crypts

[@randycollins3341]

Lol I was apart of the winning team the 1st year. I was the guy porting and polishing the cylinder heads.

[@daleostrom3613]

I would like to see both of the power curves.

[@fast8379]

Second that

[@superkillr]

Thought this was gonna be "Broke Back Dyno" for a minute.

[@klausvonschmit4722]

How awesome is this!

[@hdvictoryford5329]

Love the show great event. I do however find it hard to believe that some of these schools do not work very much on Ford's and Mopar. Mostly SBC. What a shame. The sbc is still being promoted as "the" small block. Yet I am seeing more and more Ford's at the speed shops and with the Coyote pushing bigger numbers than the LS engines, for about the same price. The other brands look to have more to offer. That is one reason I did not go to any of these schools. They are still living in the past.

[@VinceGuzman]

this cool maybe they have more engine battles

[@markbartley3630]

Great job, awesome!!

[@jimdandy849]

Peak numbers aren't the whole story. I'd like to see a comparison of both power curves on the same graph. Surprised they didn't do that since it's very common in engine comparisons.

[@arturozarate1752]

The Blue team had no clue how to install the oil pump. Let me guess....SBC where the only engines used in their courses.🤦‍♂️

[@ducamuk]

Way cool. Little bit of some friendly competition.

[@philbenedict9208]

Watch turbo john or Richard holder you'll learn more

[@vtecbanger3180]

Nice! Good game kids!

[@strydyrhellzrydyr1345]

Omg.. this would be soooo fun

[@shephusted2714]

this is good wholesome framily entertainment

[@oldcarguy9827]

Blairsville first go round was some of my class mates. This go round was close. Gratz to the winners.

[@randycollins3341]

What's up I was on the 1st Blairsville team

[@oldcarguy9827]

Hell yeah, that was awesome.

[@tomrodgers6629]

It is sad, Wyotech in Blairsville has been gone for years.

[@dougbloom3672]

I would love to ba a part of these builds. So awesome 👌🏼. So prestine.

[@biscuitboy3617]

Next one should be a couple of 360 MOPAR Magnum egines!

[@davidlopez7209]

I counted an actual budget of about $6,094 not including tax, shipping when applicable, an ignition coil, the stroker kit plus balancing, or the machine work to machine the block. I see a build with an honest price tag reaching close to $10,000. Budget build? Still waiting for that video.

[@superkillr]

This is like 10 years ago

[@Ryanezek36]

Can never go wrong with compression

[@anonymousanonymous9991]

I would melt the trophy into valve covers and buy the engine. Screw it, that's one hell of a graduation. I don't know if I would win, and I certainly haven't been to Wyotech, yet, but I'd have gone with: domed pistons, bored valves and valve seats, intake porting, a tunnel ram intake manifold, 250-260 degrees at 0.050 thou and a dual plane 850cfm holley sniper. If you can get past 7500 rpm your chances of making 450 horsepower with a naturally aspirated sbf are actually not that bad. Especially with 10.5+:1 compression. At least that's what I've found with my experience.

[@brycelary7889]

Its probably plastic trophy lol

[@strydyrhellzrydyr1345]

Represent... PA.. boys

[@toddclark332]

Congratulations Sacramento

[@Joe.G]

I would love to have one of those engines in my car, I had one until it blew up lol

[@kencohagen4967]

Where were you when I was in high school?

[@sterlingwilkey2124]

I'd love to have one of those engines

[@chucksgarage7165]

Did he put the front seal in backwards? 7:33

[@davidsimms2806]

Sure did

[@bigbambam25]

Yep 😂

[@socleanmx6]

I run trick flow everything on my 94 but I'm pretty sure the afr combination is going to win .

[@bethanyhaskiell9116]

It seems like AFR heads are better at producing more average horsepower than any other cylinder head with the same size intake runner

[@ryanmcwilliams7259]

Anyone know What year was this was?

[@davidparker4501]

It was the higher compression ratio

[@richdouche8253]

The blue team won because the AFR heads flow a little more OVERALL air, especially mid lift numbers. And their overall exhaust flow is a little better than the TF heads. Peak flow numbers are only one data point, even with proper porting. A valve spends more time at mid lift than peak. And so with a little better OVERALL flow, they tend to make a little better OVERALL power numbers.

[@josephtravers777]

I have the same engine as Blue Team in my car. Makes great power but ignition timing has to come down a bit to avoid detonation @ 11:1 on 93 octane. They dialed it up to 34, mine is dialed in @ 31.

[@richdouche8253]

@@josephtravers777 Yeah, often the tune on a Dyno is not the same as in the vehicle. Plus, they may have "softened" the chambers some that wasn't mentioned in the video, or your cam timing is installed a tad more advanced, or etc etc. Who knows what all factors contribute to you needing 3 degrees less timing??

[@josephtravers777]

@@richdouche8253 Detonation is under light loading below the dyno pull range. Doesn't ping on top end. Keeping timing low between 1500-2500 rpm on the curve necessitates the 31 degrees to get it all in @ 3500 rpm.

[@kalijasin]

WyoTech Vs. WyoTech

[@devonjasik6346]

Budget of $5000? They have an engine assembly that cost about $3000-$3500. $1400 heads plus a $500 intake. That $5000 budget is gone and that’s not even including the cam and carb and all the other small parts they never mention in these shows.

[@cindyarnold6333]

That competition was decided by the higher compression in the blue teams engine. The red team should have known better, you can safely run a full point higher in compression, when you use aluminum heads, big mistake on red teams part. But a great program just the same.

[@bigredracer7848]

108👍's up guys thanks again for the great video

[@cyrillanicoche9827]

More of this stuff please - try different schools too.

[@chucksgarage7165]

The valve covers on engine number 2 were a little shinier! Otherwise I’d be good with either one.

[@stephanM5]

what was the losing team's score?

[@superkillr]

We'll never know the curves of both motors. This show sucks

[@marlinnotfish]

I would love to have the blue teams motor for my 88 f150 torque monster

[@markbartley3630]

What was your cam profile!????

[@strydyrhellzrydyr1345]

I wanna know the timing the red team did

[@stefeninspringfield]

I just don't understand how they thought this was a fair competition. No amount of porting that you do in a matter of a couple hours can make up the difference In a whole point of compression difference.

[@strydyrhellzrydyr1345]

I was thinking of going to blairsville wyotech.. but I was told by everyone.. u don't do crap

[@diyjman5259]

Those fellas in blue look like lovers as close as they are

[@davidfonseca4237]

Can i get part number please, i have a 69 ford block would i been able to pull this. Mechanical skills! just reading a lot mostly Hot rod megazines

[@fredbach6039]

More of this stuff please - try different schools too.

[@strydyrhellzrydyr1345]

I wanna know the individual stats... Badly

[@strydyrhellzrydyr1345]

What numbers is her talking about... At 12:05 area... And up

[@superkillr]

Chevy guys building a Ford....

[@dadsgarage420]

Red team lost on port velocity to stroke ratio blue team knew on a small engine port velocity and compression would evacuate the cylinder more quickly for a better burn a set of 1.7 on intake and 1.6 on exhaust with low tension rings would have made a few more ponies

[@robertankney5480]

Where’s the SAM guys?

[@PinkysBane]

They said the instructor couldn't touch the work but i saw the PA guy touching the oil filler

[@cuzz63]

Probably meant during the actual build.

[@robertwest3093]

Who here is all for televising this event?😎

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[@utahcountypicazospage5412]

479 hp 455 tq = 370 hp 350 tq wheel with accessories not bad but damn engine dynos make you feel good till you dyno And get wheel numbers then reality sets in 😂

[@project4bangers]

Did I accidentally click on the homeschool edition or something?

[@fordmanx3]

Why didn’t they just have the intake Extrude honed

[@utahcountypicazospage5412]

Extrude hone is very expensive and you do not get very much out of it a homeport can get you enough extrude hone is more for stock looking but gutted from the inside

[@alanrlocklear]

What I think caused the red team to lose was all the port/polishing they did to the heads.

[@utahcountypicazospage5412]

Actually I think they played it too safe if you notice the blue teams engine with all the timing and compression they were throwing at it it started to run on its own even when they turned it off from the heat on the top of the Pistons so it’s almost as if the blue team was willing to throw their motor way but the red team is a safer combo

[@davidparker4501]

Compression ratio!

[@chriswise1232]

High ports are intended to be ported

[@MP-pz9oe]

If you know what are you doing !

[@markdogbone1969]

Ok I am confused!! Did she say an average of 395??? I add the losing teams numbers that he gave and came up with an average of 482!!!!

[@fragman21]

I was think that as well???

[@PunisherDMT]

That was peak, not average power. Problem is they never revealed the blue team's peak power numbers.

[@FrankBUILTperformance]

They never said the torque numbers which were the other 50% of the score. The blue team must’ve had much more torque

[@superkillr]

That's because this show is POS ran by corporate idiots.

[@bethanyhaskiell9116]

Its going by the highest average power throug out the rpm range not highest average peak power

[@keithswiercz3890]

Its the 58cc head vs 64 that gave a higher compression that gave the advantage, tfs with lower cc head ftw

[@strydyrhellzrydyr1345]

Wait.. so what are the numbers he says... 488 460... And then 2nd pull and 3rd pull.. Something is going on here... I'm confused

[@timsharpe2419]

me too

[@Jaycooks323]

Wyotech shut down! Lmao

[@philbenedict9208]

Another great example of magazine style bs. Wyo tech Blairsville closed in 2018. I known it says graduates. But who is the instructor instructing. It would take some serious penny pinching to do those engines for under 5000 . I'm a 1965 grad of valentine tech

[@alanhill5513]

Haha these are 8 year old episodes of Engine Power Television with the commercials removed and put up on KZbin to fill their video portfolio and revenue stream.

[@superkillr]

Also I think the top end alone was $5k back 10 years ago

[@strydyrhellzrydyr1345]

I'm thinking pa team got it done...

[@Paul_VanGo]

So, team blue just LEGO-ed some engine parts together, without any personal input or skill, and won...

[@302hobronco]

Would be interesting to see if the porting actual helped out hurt. Still a good competition

[@fast8379]

Smart shoppers, they are.

[@FrankBUILTperformance]

They spent their money better. Which is just as important as building & porting.

[@bw3506]

I kinda think the blue team pushed their engine to the edge a bit more on timing while the red played it safe. At least that's the feel I got from the video.

[@I_like_turtles_67]

Not sure why both teams picked an air gap. I probably would've gone single plane. Bigger carb & AFR 205 heads. Must've been in the way the rules were written.

[@rickyfulks889]

Totally wrong LCA for big power

[@barrykennedy9947]

I wouldn't call porting your heads a conservative approach.

[@ThaSilentOne420]

If u are making 392hp with a 347 u should quit building motors . Ive built a few 347s for foxbodys pushing 500-550hp . The smallest number i think ive ever made with a 347 is 450hp with a very cheap budget build

[@mcfast52]

1 point gain in static compression is a big deal!

[@utahcountypicazospage5412]

I think that’s why the red team lost because they had more compression and a lot of time in instead the blue team had less compression and a lot of timing so goes to show that sometimes pushing things to the edge isn’t always the most effective better to have good flow and good compression compared great flow high compression and too much time

[@fast8379]

@@utahcountypicazospage5412 Actually the blue team had the higher cr. They were smart to go with the AFR's. I think the AFR heads are superior to the high ports in torque production which ultimately gave the blue team the edge. Would have liked to have seen the dyno printouts with the two timing adjustments to see if there was any appreciable gain.

[@sc928porsche8]

heads and manifolds are not repeat not part of a short block!!!!!!!

[@CwasGood]

The acting is hard to watch😂 but some great builds

[@MRGF78]

Good thing they're not acting... they're starve...

[@philbenedict9208]

Vale damn spell ck

[@strydyrhellzrydyr1345]

I'm calling BS... Something wierd going on here

[@captaincrazy3444]

This is the most cringe thing ever.

[@Welcometofacsistube]

Junk

[@xDIRTYSOUTHx]

I don't understand why this channel has "Gunpowder" in the name. unsubbed.

[@bmstylee]

No one cares. Go smoke some more weed and leave the adults alone.

[@VinceGuzman]

dude just let it go and enjoy the content

[@chriscostlow4210]

Cool, thanks for your unsolicited walk away. You won't be missed.

[@bw3506]

You know weed gives you paranoia right?

[@stevepaul8500]

302 lunch a loaser

[@shawncarlson705]

Im not a fan of trick flow ford heads.