Chassis Dyno Shootout: Chevy 454 SS vs Ford Lightning MuscleTrux Wars Part 6 - Trucks! S10, E15

[@Matt-df5fe]

watching this makes me realize we live in the golden age of cheap horsepower.

[@daw162]

As long as you don't buy all of the plug and play stuff that's constantly pitched as stealth advertising on these shows. If you were willing to spend a few bucks years ago, though, you could have a 450 horsepower lumpy chevy 350 for not that much money. I think the transmissions have made just as much of a stride as the motors - aside from the fact that you can get cheap motors now that will take a fair amount of boost. Hard to come up with one that's in a reliable car that lasts, though. Audi 1.8T, 375 horsepower when you want it turned up? No problem. having the rest of the car last as long as the turned up motor? no way. What about the little ecoboosts...time will tell. The cars get junkier and heavier around the motors every day. what would a 450 horsepower 350 run these days in a 2800 pound drag car with good tires and a good trans?12s? 11s?

[@missingremote4388]

I have a '95 454 4X4 GMC Suburban. And would not mind doing the same mods. But I rarely drive it. Maybe 600 miles driven in past 4 years.

[@charlesbrittain434]

@@daw16260 Foot Elapsed Time = 1.6485074661226427 1/8 Mile Elapsed Time = 7.226106441704612 1/4 Mile Elapsed Time = 10.713822218280018 1/4 Mile Trap Speed = 133.74778587935575 all are estimates, results may vary, offer not available in Nashville Tn.

[@elonmust7470]

@@daw162 I can make 200 hp with a 500 dollar 2.2 liter honda h22 engine. Put a 300 dollar turbo on it and some 400 dollar fuel injectors along with a 500 dollar engine management system and 500 whp is very reachable. Spend 3k on forged internals & even bigger injectors and the power levels get rediculose. LS v8s are similar.

[@utahcountypicazospage5412]

theodore Dow-man yes you can but they don’t last long transmission go and without sleeves block it’s on borrowed time 350 all day everyday no problem but 500 not gonna live that mong

[@gabeferron1552]

And they guessed 450 HP with the Chevy, I’m feeling let down

[@souldoctor10]

No kidding. When they were posting the numbers I was just thinking "That's way low from their goal" :(

[@resignationscrewery5044]

Indeed. They spent a ton of money, or what would be money if not given by sponsors, to make less than a new v8 pickup makes. By a good margin as well.

[@hogrod]

Glad to see horsepower gains, but the torque doesn't seem great. Stock new that year truck had 385lb-ft at the crank. Would expect with the mods to see at least that much at the wheels.

[@99thpeanut59]

Yeah. To be honest they would’ve been better off by turboing the 454 on the stock block if he wanted that 450 horse.

[@musclebone7875]

Th400 eats alot of hp. So don't feel let down.

[@alexcorona]

Why in the World wouldnt you upgrade from the stock fuel pump.....

[@Optic_texas]

10 year old show

[@wade998]

But they did.

[@chloehennessey6813]

STREET RACER Why so rude? You get whooped by a few Lightnings?

[@chloehennessey6813]

STREET RACER Nevermind. The internet answered for you. Apparently you’re a well known shit stain around here. Lol What a tool.

[@forrysc]

Because it's a TV show. I mean, they had the exact fuel pump right there to install. I'm pretty sure they knew. It's a TV show first and foremost. They need content.

[@scottcisek2376]

totally glad you guys are on youtube used to watch a lot of these shows on sunday or wasa it saturday on spike when i was a teenager really enjoy the content guys cant wait to seee who wins this

[@TwentytenS4B8]

Cart before the horse = installing a turbo before upgrading the fuel system to support it.

[@_i-kr6eg]

Unbelievable a CD rom been years since I've seen one . The good old days

[@reginaldbowls7180]

Is this show from the 90s?

[@orficaldari3524]

@@reginaldbowls7180 2009 I think

[@basshead.]

A lot of people who have older cars still burn music CDs.

[@_i-kr6eg]

@@reginaldbowls7180 no wtf ok snowflake.

[@mustashride]

@@_i-kr6eg "no wtf ok snowflake" sounds exactly like a KZbin tough guy response. Careful everyone we got a killer here.

[@ajv802]

Taking advice from these guys.... is like flushing cash down the toilet

[@kr4dh4x0r]

Exactly.

[@sj7624]

And you and Bling Status doesn't have a car show because why?

[@ajv802]

@@sj7624 So you need to have a car show to know that spending thousands of dollars on a 454 big block to make less than 400rwhp is a waste of money????? Wow.... you must be really struggling in life, you poor dumb bastard. Given your flawed logic and silly straw man argument, here is some life advice pitched specifically for you.. 'don't lick the windows on the bus and don't eat the yellow snow". Cheers!

[@sj7624]

@@ajv802 and with all that bullshit you just spewed out of your own ass, you still did not answer my question. If you think you are so much better than these two hosts, how come you do not have your own damn show? Last time I checked I did not see a show call Tech time with ajv80.

[@ajv802]

R J So these guys are better mechanics than ANYONE without a show??? Is that what you are saying? Yes or no? To answer your shit question. I have zero interest in having a show, let alone even know how to make and edit one if I did. What has that got to do with anything??????? Out of general amusement I’d ask why you don’t have a show but to be honest I don’t really give a fuck to know, especially if you consider these guys spending of money to be “good bang for buck”. Your argument and logic is flawed and has you are making no point, sorry if you don’t like hearing the truth.

[@aprilg5530]

"Too lean?"...."Nah, It's way lean". LOL

[@EqualsThreeable]

We used to have one of those Dell laptops at my work back in 2008. Those things were beast!

[@FernandezCycles]

I enjoyed the cutting and buffing section the most

[@hank1556]

half the reason I watch these episodes is to read STREET RACER's comments

[@revolutionday1]

LuLz >X-D

[@190SkyTeam]

And "MR. TAMW"

[@elonmust7470]

Definitely a grade A tool...

[@chloehennessey6813]

Lol I just saw him. Guy is a grade A freaking tool with a touch of douche bag

[@lyle7657]

STFU! Lol sound familiar?

[@hansolo9674]

I wonder how many people went out and started sanding their new cars after seeing how " its really easy to do at home " lol. Whats really easy is messing your paint up if you dont know what your doing.

[@slobaru7094]

I started doing this with my truck, got half done n almost wanted to quit! EVERYTHING WAS RED! LOL

[@MrTheHillfolk]

@@slobaru7094 I've got single stage paint so every wax job is bloody red.

[@robertdennis2904]

@@bigboreracing356 And you do? hahahaha

[@robertdennis2904]

@@bigboreracing356 Because your scared of power tools on paint because you don't know what you are doing.

[@sinformant]

@@bigboreracing356 I think stfu is your favorite abreieviation. You have commented on almost every comment with it. Which one of the guys in this show are you? Btw you are slacking, I see a bunch of comments where you haven't told people to "STFU" yet. Better get on it boy!

[@zxtenn]

LONG WAY FROM 400-450 FOR THE BB

[@nickmotsarsky4382]

Not really. They never claimed that it was going to be 450 at the wheels. They said 450 at the crank. As is, it's around 400 to the crank.

[@kevinsleppek6058]

Love the realistic street numbers great show

[@EGGINFOOLS]

Don't care who wins. I love them both

[@robwh3954]

This reminded me of my funnest and saddest days of drag racing! Looks SO old now, but those pickups hold many hearts to this day. They were the beginning of the performance pickup market. Without them, trucks would probably still be cheap! LOL KUDOS to Ford and GM for making them, even tho they're run of the mill at very best when compared to current models. COOL stuff!

[@nickfowler8416]

There’s no way this was filmed in 2019

[@caysekhan5553]

These episodes are from 2008 and early 2009, they're super old. It hasn't even been called Trucks! for 5-6 years.

[@basshead.]

This was aired in 2010

[@yellowcolorado25]

@@basshead. Why is it being put out weekly like its something new?

[@trinkie]

They are timeless!

[@chriscuevas4241]

These videos, have been posted online on the website for a while now idk why they are airing them in a weekly basis. I saw these videos over a year ago.

[@marcusladon1796]

Im a Ford guy but I expected that 454 to make a ton of torque...but that 351w is a strong engine, My granpa bought a brand new 96 F250 with the 351 used it mostly for farm use pulling his Jd4020 tractor, fertilizer spreaders with 2 tons of fert...he babyed the truck, but when my pops got ahold to it...Long tube headers, true duals, intake ported, cylinder heads ported really woke it up...Shouts from TEXAS

[@dragon81heart]

First gen Ford Lightning’s have always been one of my favorite all time hot rod trucks, and the red Lightning y’all have here makes me fall in love with them all over again! So glad you kept the stock wheels as they really complete the look of this 90s powerhouse 💪 I remember when this originally aired about 10 or so years ago and haven’t seen it since so watching these again have been a real treat! Can’t wait to see when these go head to head! I honestly don’t remember which won, but my money is on the Ford. Though that 454SS is still one badass truck, and looks absolutely sinister! I would only change one thing on it though, I’d have to find a stock set of wheels for it. The aftermarket ones look nice, but just isn’t a 454SS without those iconic chrome wheels. Looking forward to more!

[@YOUll_NEVER_WALK_ALONE21]

Whites better

[@toddclark332]

Two of my favorite badass trucks thanks guys the sharing I think you guys are right a 30 Chopped with a Hemi I don't think you can get any better than that

[@tomnekuda3818]

Oh hell yes.....very easy to put the tune in with expensive equipment, 2 techs and unlimited time. Sure sounds like something I can do before breakfast.

[@nastychevys]

450 bucks, and yes I write tunes over breakfast. Its not as complicated as you think. Their biggest problem is that they are building 90s vehicles which are horrible due to their old school electronics. Newer stuff using software like hptuners or efilive you can do everything they are doing without much hassle.

[@tomnekuda3818]

@@nastychevys Interesting.....I have an '86 302 Full-size Bronco that looks/smells like it came out of factory. That's why I was skeptical of the "tune". I have put on headers, K&N cold-air filter, 2.5 pipes, Magnaflows with cross over, re-curved the distributor, and put on piggy-back chip(can't remember what it is). It runs great and gets 15+ mpg on highway at 75. Watching this I always wonder if I'm getting out of it what I could. I've tuned cars, strip/street, all my life and know what's going on with Holleys, Carters, cams, timing, mechanical injection, etc. but this damn electronic stuff gives me fits. I'm an old buzzard that can remember the jets on my dirt bike from 15 years ago but can't remember what he had for breakfast. Thanks for coming back at me....sounds like you know your way around this stuff.

[@bradnimbus4836]

@@nastychevys ugh, tell me about it. 95 dodge v10 5 speed with an obd 1 ecu built by Fisher-Price!

[@hoffbald]

@@tomnekuda3818 I respect the old school way of doing things, nothing quite as convenient as tuning a carb on the fly with just a screwdriver. But for just a little bit more hastle on the computer you can wayyyy more many "knobs" to twist. It also helps your motor run a perfect air fuel ratio which will help the motor last longer. The modern tuning is even more quick and painless than the old methods shown in this video. Certain ECU's will let you tune from your phone on the fly!

[@tomnekuda3818]

@@hoffbald I believe you.....I'm just not computer savvy and difficult to teach old dog new tricks.....but I ain't dead yet!

[@derekv275]

I never use a orbital for sanding clear. ..if you get one piece of grit on it lol ugly by the time you catch it paint is fubar

[@Pandasquidward]

As soon as I heard the compression ratio on the bbc I knew it wouldn't make 450.

[@Russell_and_Rosko]

2:15 Try out the old weld-your-ratchet-to-the-battery trick! Fun!

[@470whp-deathtrap]

All this work for 300 hp... and we wonder why LS motors are so popular 😂

[@joelalexander5338]

Miatas Forever Good point. The LS employs simple, go-to performance at a reasonable price, for the most part.

[@groundshakersociety6637]

They half assed these engine builds...

[@OGbqze]

@@groundshakersociety6637 I disagree, they spent a lot of time and money on both trucks. An LS with a cam would make more power than these.... Let alone if you went with a turbo or rebuilt it like they did with the 454.

[@groundshakersociety6637]

@@OGbqze they put down 5g on a big block which still doesn't make 400 horsepower...that's sad

[@OGbqze]

@@groundshakersociety6637 yeah, there's much better options for power per dollar. But I'm sure these guys are used to spending money like its nothing.

[@southbound141]

Oh how tuning has changed. These are the days of the horsepower wars

[@utahcountypicazospage5412]

In my opinion the 454 needed a lot more compression at least 10-1 .my 1999 z28 made 350hp 350tq ls6 intake tsp stage 2 truck cam tsp 17/8 longtube headers 3600 stall 410 gears tuned

[@millz1012]

The torque on that lightning is impressive

[@thomaspigg306]

Years ago I had a '72 Chevy El Camino SS (Chevelle Edition) that came from the factory with a 454 big block and TH400 trans. I added a 2800 stall convertor, true dual 3" straight pipes, a set of 10X15's on the front and Mickey Thompson 26X15's on the rear all mounted on Cragar SS five spoke rims. I was thinking about lowering it but I had an "accident" and totaled it and almost killed me a brother of mine and me to boot. Lord I wish I had it today exactly like it was... pre-accident that is!!! I've always been a Chevy person. Not that I haven't owned all kinds of other makes and models, it's just I've always had better luck with Chevys than the rest.

[@nathanmcdonald610]

Are they gonna race these damn things or what! I wanna see that!

[@RedfishCarolina]

"Too lean?". "Nah... It's way lean"

[@Mean_16z]

RedfishCarolina 😂

[@bradholmes3320]

I’m from Memphis. So hearing they got Dyno speed out there is pretty cool.

[@souldoctor10]

Commenters keep bringing up the difference between "good" power back then, and "good" power now. Technology has surely made a difference. Now you can buy a showroom Mustang/Camaro/Corvette, or even Cadillac with what USED to be considered "supercar" power in the 400+ bhp range. Crazy.

[@sparkplug1018]

Jay Leno recounted a story when a dealer talked him into buying a Viper. Swore up and down to him that you'll never see another factory production 500HP (may have been 400, can't remember) car again. These days 500 is good, but not impressive anymore.

[@lb9gta307]

@@sparkplug1018 the only reason GM developed the TPI intake manifold is because in the early 80s they thought they weren't going to be allowed to put anything bigger than a 5L in cars in the then near future so they tried to give the 305 the same torque as a 350. That's how crazy government regs seemed at one point.

[@lb9gta307]

Rick, and now a decent weight is anything under 3800lbs while back when 400hp was a lot that was heavy

[@sparkplug1018]

@@lb9gta307 Pretty sure I didn't mention anything about government regs in that comment. As an aside, the emissions regs and fuel economy standards are stricter today then they've ever been and yet the power and displacement continues to rise, due to more advanced electronics being able to meet the regulations.

[@lb9gta307]

@@sparkplug1018 you didn't mention regs, I did. All I'm saying is that that's the atmosphere the auto industry had not long befor the Viper came to be.

[@Dr_Xyzt]

For the time this was filmed (2003-2006), that's not half bad. The LS3 wasn't out yet. The LS7 may not have even been out yet. So, really, if you're a car parts company, your target audience is the slightly older car, hence the 90's trucks that are super common. They set the build goals as "No internal modification" which really means "No trips to a machine shop". So they ended up re-using the stock pistons, unfortunately. A good modern re-do of this would be to re-build it as a 496. 10.2:1 compression. Heads like AFR 265's, then a port-matched intake manifold. The cam would be a point of fumbling. See, they could do a smooth idling cam and a TBI unit, but then they'd only make stock LS power with a big block. A k11-451-8 might do well with a slightly bigger rocker ratio. There's some cool 4-pattern cams like the 11-615-44, but that particular cam has too much lift.

[@namechane1758]

6:10 why not use both tank pumps like suggested earlier

[@AMV12S]

"Modern age of computers" *Points to a 20 years old laptop running Windows XP* This show is priceless.

[@c-moneycantrell]

Kevin is a body shop bad ass,,, check out his how to dvds ,,, I literally learned how to paint starting with his dvds,, kinda dated (body shop basics ) but really gets you the idea how it all works and you can run with it,,, I still appreciate him for that ,,,mad props

[@guillermosoriano6487]

does anyone know when this show originally aired on TV? when Windows 2000 & XP were still being used

[@cesarbarc]

i think you can see pentium 4 badge on the laptop......I'm feeling old now....

[@rsamano4434]

2010

[@bustopherjones2285]

That laptop is a Dell 9400 It came out in 2006 with a Core2Duo...

[@rsamano4434]

That specific episode came out 2010

[@cesarbarc]

@@bustopherjones2285 don't know the model man, but if you look frame by frame on 04:17 you can see a pentium 4 logo...i think c2d logos are all white/blues, i had both p4 and c2d back in the day, feels like ages ago

[@crimsonstang]

I go to the Nashville Goodguys show. I recently found out that you guys film in Franklin, which is where I'm from. Next time I'm at the show I'll look for you.

[@revolutionday1]

Watch out for this fuckin' guy!

[@Carguylogan]

My stock 01 Z06 made 350 whp SAE corrected lol. That's with a smooth idle and 30 mpg and only 346 cubic inches. How did a heads/cam package on a 454 make less power than a stock LS6 from 20 years ago?

[@anthonypesqueira7540]

The EFI kills them. With a 780 carb it would've made more power. Because those LS6 454s were actually in the 550hp ball park.

[@Carguylogan]

@@anthonypesqueira7540 That doesn't make much sense. How would electronic fuel injection create a massive power loss?

[@berniesands6201]

My brothers used to work for Mr.Steve Tracy over at Advanced Plating.

[@michaelhowell2326]

I really would have thought that the SS would have put down much higher numbers than that.

[@contentlocked99]

No clear coat on the bed post sanding, is that wax really that good?

[@90lxfox3]

what boost are they running like 4 psi ive seen 351w make 310 wheel na my turbo 302 made 500

[@geauxtigers2911]

A stock na 351w Don't make 300 wheel, they didn't make 300 at the flywheel

[@matthewmontgomery1506]

I think they said 5 psi, also he didn't say stock, he just said na

[@TwentytenS4B8]

I think they said they are running it at 5 psi. In any event, they did not upgrade the fuel pump prior to the dyno runs and we were not made privy to the final numbers after they upgraded the pump. I've seen 351W's make over 400 HP with a simple heads, cam, and intake swap and no power adder. While they did not change those parts on this, one can assume that it would make more than it did because even a stock 302 H.O. with a SC or turbo can make over 400 flywheel with no head, or intake changes. I knew a guy who had a 5.0 LX with an E303 cam and a Vortech SC and that's the kind of numbers he was getting. One would surmise that a 351W is capable of making the same or greater.

[@a.f-body1vids655]

Not to bad....not good enough. Put some power in that Chevy! Better heads, and massive cam!

[@biscuitninja]

That 454 needs the bottle.... :D

[@bilbobaggins4710]

Sharp ass truck ...Needs power to match

[@derakbell8143]

Yea at least a 150-175 shot

[@southbound141]

Or a LS swap. Its wild to look back and see what was cutting edge just 10, 15 years ago

[@Thelongmanable]

Gunner Dakota OR LSX 454!!!

[@southbound141]

@@Thelongmanable yeah it nuts, that a stock coyote truck makes more to the tire. 60's horsepower has nothing on todays

[@joechrisman8257]

Anyone catch the bbc cam used on the upgrade ? Maybe need a bit larger cam & a built 700r4 are not much now days.

[@kevinkirk4285]

9:38 Please tell me you did NOT use a Scotchlok for a permanent installation. I hate those things. Only good for a temporary fix.

[@CJColvin]

Gotta love the Muscle Truck.

[@TheTruthBeToId]

Been waiting for this and was let down with this episode.

[@Todd.T]

I agree. This was disappointing given the engine sizes and the boost. I don't remember the Lightning being so difficult and it is very easy to tune an EFI Ford. My 3.0 supercharged Audi with a basic tune makes 458Hp and 387 ft lbs of torque on 93 Octane.Before anybody complains about "old" tech, we had a lot of 5.0 and 5.8 Mustangs running EFI and I don't recall things being so difficult. I still have a Crane Interceptor I had installed in an EFI car back in the day.

[@jradish]

@@bigboreracing356 ok boomer

[@TheTruthBeToId]

@@bigboreracing356 Settle down scrub. First off I do know how old this. Second, I ment the episode in general with its content.

[@mikelbogner2661]

Make sure the paint doesn't get too hot either if ya don't spray water on when ur buffing.

[@biscuitninja]

Not bad for a stock intake/heads/cam/fuel system for the trucks.

[@erikcapozzi771]

None of that is stock lol

[@saltzen961]

So why didn't they give the Ford numbers with the new pump ???????

[@dwizzleusa4202]

Cuz all the Chevy guys would be 😢. That's not fair he got 5psi boost. That's all you would hear. But the Chevy had heads can intake pretty much built motor lighting has stock engine.

[@betsysistrunk1318]

Can't beat em cheat em 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Youbetcha25]

I liked watching this

[@MARedleg]

I would love a 94 lightning but I would leave it stock.

[@PiDsPagePrototypes]

Who da FAQ told ya to clean the contacts like that! A little cleaning alcohol on a swab ONLY !!!! Then plug home and remove the socket a couple of times. All you blokes did was damage and remove the coatings on the connectors, leading to early failure.

[@brettsanderson8680]

Im ready to see what these truck do on the strip. I'm starting to think they have a REALLY stingy dyno as this is about the 4th build i've seen them dyno and have around 100+whp less than they should have.

[@sgt5310]

Why not do a DIY spray in bed liner on the 454 ??

[@semiprofessional8470]

Maybe I'm missing something but I remember engines making way more power than this in the 60s and early 70s. Especially the 454. Well over 400 hp from the factory. High compression and leaded fuel I guess

[@brgable]

That 454 needed new pistons to get that compression up. It still was under 9.1 with those new heads that’s not going to make a lot of power without boost.

[@mobilemowers]

Got to cost some $$ to get those guys to tune that OBD1 machine. Chips are such a pain. Dealing with a 94 k1500 have to do it through mail for most of us. Who uses scotch lock connectors. 318hp ? Most small blocks can do that easy. Wow that laptop is over 10 years old.

[@leon5.868]

cant wait to restore mine and start tuning it

[@baddonkey6876]

Finally, something i can do with the custom SCT chip burner i had just laying around the shop!!😐😐

[@mikequesenberry8318]

And it's got stock converter a up to date converter might have made more power to

[@piercehawke8021]

And just to think a box stock 5.4L LSx Chevy puts out at least 300 HP at the wheels.............that's how much technology has progressed since the Gen I SB Chevy and BB Chevy motors.

[@jdog3690]

You mean 5.3

[@piercehawke8021]

@@jdog3690 You're correct, I brain farted, had Ford V8 fog :)

[@mikewhite3123]

Thousand dollar 86 short side Chevy, mild 383 with cam and vortec heads.... 400 horses all day long, and 20 years ago, with a carb, and almost no money lol... daily drove it for years with a 3000 stall, and would have smoked both these trucks with 2 plug wires off

[@rcwildman9255]

Was this video taped back in the day and posted today? Old computer, decent but alright camera that has a funky color grading. Kinda funky.

[@AH-lw2bj]

Originally from 2010

[@woodgrain18]

My goodness that is trash!! I dont know what they did but a set of decent set of heads and cam on 454 should make 400+ to the wheels

[@chrisberry5714]

No joke I have a 10.5 to 1 454 with heads cam intake long tubes and it makes a 575 at the crank.

[@scottsmith31]

chris berry no it doesn’t lol

[@woodgrain18]

@YOYO MA is that when this was filmed? If it was I still disagree lol my paw paw got a bone stock 454 SS in 2000 when I was 10 stayed stock until 2002 I can remember it getting Edelbrock square port aluminum heads cant remember wich series probably performer rpms I doubt they where Victor's they where not ported but he did clean up all the ports but it did get a victor jr intake that he cleaned up and a 1050 dominator I would have to ask him about the cam all I can remember is that the shift light on the monster tach lit up at 6600rpm and sounded nasty through long tubes and a dual 3" set up with super 40 flow masters and turn downs still one of the best sounding car/trucks iv heard. It had a N.O.S plate pilled for a 100 shot and ran like 7.00's in the 1/8 on motor and 6.70s on the bottle in 2003 and that's like 560hp at the flywheel by using a hp calculator

[@stevencaskey9440]

@@scottsmith31 he's definitely full of shit. lol

[@hank1556]

I bet that transmission is garbage

[@chemicalnbc5820]

These numbers are terrible. And I'm enjoying every moment of it.😅

[@ducatimikep]

Why isn’t rick wearing an antistatic strap anytime he’s tampering with the board?

[@mikewhite3123]

Cringe cringe cringe.... those components going out, just a matter of time...

[@brantisonfire]

I wonder what these would make on a crank dyno? Probably close to 100 hp more and 100 tq on each measure. On Motor Trend Engine Masters they only measure crank dyno with no accessories like the auto industry used to do for gross hp not sae hp.

[@FastRedPonyCar]

That laptop looks like it's as old as the truck.

[@animated8623]

Well, it did originally air 10 years ago

[@brandonthornborough4433]

I saw a 5.9 zj on the lift. When is that episode? Iron rock 7"" long arm is going on that I bet!

[@Eddie312.]

Brandon Thornborough Yes I also want to know what’s going on with that.

[@joegutierrez9066]

Specially, what is a basic tune?

[@dannywilliamson3340]

I was watching PowerNation one day years ago, back when I was paying too much for satellite. Suddenly, the narrator made a quick on-camera appearance. Anyone know what season or episode that was? He was kinda knarly looking.

[@richscott2090]

WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO RESTORE BILLET ALUMINUM THAT'S REALLY OXIDIZED...... THANKS

[@revolutionday1]

Fuckin' Blue Magic metal polish!

[@redram5150]

What’s the site address of that company that builds new versions of antique cars?

[@revolutionday1]

You can't afford 'em.

[@joelalexander5338]

A computer can tune any vehicle? How do you tune a 1966 Mercury Comet 289 with a computer? I don’t see a port anywhere!

[@TheLazerTank]

This STREET RACER guy in the comments is legendary.

[@revolutionday1]

He's a legendary twat waffle.

[@canuckfobroader9553]

I don't think I've ever had the pleasure of seeing such inbred trash in a while. $5 bucks hes unemployed, lives in a trailer and has to give uncle dad a handy to get the keys to the 86 IROC....oh and STFU lol. What a clown.

[@sauceboss9313]

I would've like to see a 50 shot on the 454 to see if it could even up the race. N/A vs forced induction.

[@erickvallad4189]

Watching this makes me realize that I live in California and that my turbo engines and n/a V8s are going down

[@anthonypesqueira7540]

Ditch those EFI's and just run a carb. Those will make way more power for the mods that have been done to them.

[@berniesands6201]

Are y'all guys in Nashville?

[@B1Springfield]

Could put out those numbers with aluminum heads and a cam swap on the Lightning. *Even when this was originally filmed.

[@Seedcadets]

OSHA would love that burn out in the garage lol 😂

[@JM-yx1lm]

Oh geez, dude take that somewhere else. Cant belive through this whole video, thats what you decided to comment.

[@realdeathpony]

@@JM-yx1lm Safety is no joke, unlike you.

[@edwinbaez8027]

J M u gay af

[@palmbeachcane9523]

Where the turbo on the Chevy?

[@fordmanx3]

Kevin L imagine the gas mileage after a Turbo 😂

[@alltheboost5363]

Isn't that from like 1999... lol chip burning... the Holley Dominator system you can get for what nine hundred bucks and it's like modern. First time I've ever heard someone going to a mass air flow system normally throw those things away when you make power. Go to any drag race event and see if anybody is using a mass air flow sensor.

[@hanzhenry5818]

Anger and fury would be my reaction to either truck after the cash put out to gain less than 200 hp.

[@jradish]

@@bigboreracing356 ok boomer

[@jenseninterceptors]

Don't worry, be happy :p

[@machwon9376]

@@bigboreracing356 cars been making those numbers stock since the 70s so shut that shit up

[@fatman1288]

the lightning still looks good the 454 ss needs the factory rims

[@kyleranden3102]

I hope thats a sleeper build going on with that mint Grand Cherokee in the background..

[@williamarden5441]

What's crazy is I had a 98 mustang vert. Installed a stroked Alternative Auto 2 valve in it with stage 2 port, and polish heads with comp 270 cams. 10.2.1 compression. Made 331 to the wheels haha

[@Optic_texas]

Lighting got a custom tune and turbo no wonder it won lol

[@ellechero1082]

Was this filmed in like 2000?

[@mickeymang6]

Pretty much

[@ellechero1082]

Mike M i seriously had no idea. Just felt they spoke in a very 2000 way .

[@tylercouture216]

@@ellechero1082 you full of shit when the comments are 90% of people saying what you said

[@wade998]

Most of it was recorded in 2007.

[@theman8688]

2010

[@sillyguy9828]

I'm pretty sure the turbo will when. They should put nos on the 454

[@gilbertohernandez9748]

That 454 could of used a stroker bad or a non intercooled vortech

[@hemiboy9860]

That 454 needed 11:1 compression to hit 500whp

[@ShyaMiss]

@@hemiboy9860 or forced induction to justify that low compression ratio.

[@Packinheat1175]

Would be nice if they put when this was filmed. The copyright at the end says 2010???

[@kevindavis5966]

I think that's about right.

[@IanRLewis]

The Ford has a turbo? I thought these were supposed to be stock.

[@jasonamerica7618]

The chevy is not close to stock either. Different top end. Watch the earlier videos

[@IanRLewis]

@@jasonamerica7618 Yeah well it's still na. Turbo vs different top end is no comparison.

[@jasonamerica7618]

@@IanRLewis I agree with you but 351 vs 454 the ford had to make up 100 cubic inches somehow

[@IanRLewis]

@@jasonamerica7618 My old Dakota RT had a 360 and it ran much faster times in the 8th and it was close to stock. I didn't need to make up for any cubic inches. You got people in 4 bangers running times that are 5 seconds faster than these guys. It's not about cubic inches in other words.

[@jasonamerica7618]

@@IanRLewis 2 things 4cyl cars are a lot less weight and both trucks were having traction issues. A RT Dakota didn't put down near the power of either of these trucks so I don't know how you were going so fast

[@05gtdriver]

I'm surprised(yes, I know this episode is over 10 years old) that they didn't go the Mustang route on the Lightning and go with a stroker kit on the 351W to at least 408 or better yet a 427, then slap a Vortech supercharger on it, would've easily made 500 to the rear wheels. All the technology to do that existed back then.....

[@michaelbradley770]

That is a completely different block the 351m is a 408 the 351w is a 302

[@05gtdriver]

@@michaelbradley770 I think you haven't kept up on stroker kits for the Windsor line of V8s..... the 351W can be stroked out to 393, 408 and 427, with a 454 doable with an aftermarket block. The 351M also had a variant in the 400M version(both dubbed 335 series V8), both roughly using the 351C and 429 (385 series V8) architecture.

[@karlsmith2570]

The polishing of the 454 truck definitely shows the orange peel on the untreated side of the bed if you look closely enough The side that was untreated you could see the orange peel in comparison to the side that Kevin had worked on, which was nice and smooth

[@revolutionday1]

Eyyyy', looks like Captain Obvious has just shown up!

[@karlsmith2570]

@@revolutionday1 away with you troll

[@lowpricedpaint]

My stock Lincoln Aviator is right around 300hp, still a pos, and it sucks fuel.

[@yahmutha]

First off, your Aviator is rated at 300 at the crank so itll make like 250-ish hp to the tire (assuming its RWD. AWD will make even less.) Also, the Aviator is a mid-sized luxury SUV so it should weigh slightly more than either of these trucks. Another thing is, the Lightning has 4.10s and a higher stall converter. If you put in 4.10s and a 3000 stall in that Aviator it would he a totally different animal. Its not always about how much power you make, its how you turn that power to the ground.

[@yahmutha]

But i do agree 300 whp is weak sauce and not FAST, its more-so quick than anything.

[@lowpricedpaint]

@@yahmutha I'm aware of all of this, believe me. Plus this motor has flaws. Like the dead head, drivers side cooling comes to a dead end, and doesn't circulate well. This eventually kills the valve guides in cyl 7 and 8, causing them to stick. When you take it to the shop, they want $6500 to fix it.

[@yahmutha]

@@lowpricedpaint Another flaw you should have in that engine if its anything but a 2005 Model Year is the spark plug thread count will not be adequate allowing plugs to sometimes shoot out of the head. Im a Marauder guy and that engine in your Aviator is the exact same as in a Marauder with the exception of the intake manifold. Shouldnt be THAT expensive to replace though. You can get refurbushed longblocks from Spartan Engines with a 3 year unlimited mile warranty for $3300-ish.

[@dealerauctionnightmare4689]

Dang, this was during the LP field days. Hasn't been LP field since 2015...