Upgrading The Naturally Aspirated Horsepower In A 460 Big Block Ford

Upgrading The Naturally Aspirated Horsepower In A 460 Big Block Ford - Engine Power S11, E10

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@johnc4957 3 ай бұрын

Pat is building this young man into a monster engine builder, solid bro for being a mentor.

@Parents_of_Twins 3 ай бұрын

Dude has the best job ever. Can you imagine getting paid to build engines everyday? Sweetest gig ever. Tried my best to talk my dad into going into business with me building kit cars and selling them but he wouldn't do it because it's too "hot" where I live and moving to his local wasn't feasible. Oh well wasn't meant to be.

@brandonlittle6444 3 ай бұрын

He's a person, and his name is Frankie.

@user-tu1ee6dc5f 3 ай бұрын

Pat has that cool teacher vibe. You wanna do that lets do it. Solid guy.

@Parents_of_Twins 3 ай бұрын

@@brandonlittle6444 Troll much or do you enjoy pointing out inane information. Second how do you know I wasn't talking about Pat? Obviously they are people, AI hasn't gotten that good yet, and obviously he has a name. I could almost understand your reply if I was saying something rude or negative about someone who had passed away but in this context it is truly pointless.

@AndyPat239 3 ай бұрын

he's got the pens down pat (pun intended 😁)

@nolehopkins1077 3 ай бұрын

Looks like Frankie is becoming quite the protege with the nice full pocket protector. 😅

@biscuitninja 3 ай бұрын

The fuller the protector, the more power! 🤯😅🙌👌💨

@craigquann 3 ай бұрын

Fun fact, Pat is left handed, Frankie is right handed. (You can tell from the pockets)

@nolehopkins1077 3 ай бұрын

@craigquann that's funny you noticed that like I noticed the pocket protector. 🤣

@brandonlittle6444 3 ай бұрын

How long you going to Infantize this Grown Man?

@DaveBigDawg 3 ай бұрын

@@brandonlittle6444not sure what you mean Because I guarantee that man is still learning

@TheSleepyMechanic0524 3 ай бұрын

Only thing us fans could ask for: a 6.8 V10 build. I know they’re not super aftermarket friendly…. Not as common as the garden variety V8.. but man. They’re cool

@jonahwhalestargeezer2888 Ай бұрын

Exactly the v10 is underrated and would be cool to upgrade other than just v8s

@AddictionAuto 3 ай бұрын

This episode gets me pumped, I have a 460 stroked to a 521 with nearly the same setup as this. Now I know what get to look forward to!

@colekitten1367 3 ай бұрын

Good luck man

@cyclonekevin6199 3 ай бұрын

Awesome

@danmyers9372 3 ай бұрын

Put a little more cam in it. With the heads on this engine they are giving up 40+ HP with the too small cam.

@biscuitboy3617 3 ай бұрын

@@danmyers9372 Remember, it's not a race engine! It still needs to run on pump gas and make torque down low. Probably going in a truck or something.

@stevansaunders18 2 ай бұрын

Sweet! Sounds like a hot set up!

@The_R-n-I_Guy 3 ай бұрын

500 ft. lbs. At 2500 rpm. That's what I want. Off the line torque. Man I've gotta get a big block. They're big and heavy. But they're worth it. Especially for a full size car

@greggc8088 2 ай бұрын

Would be nice in a 3000 lb vehicle.

@cuzz63 2 ай бұрын

Thats street torque. Off the line can come in higher with the right Torque converter or manual trans.

@davidjohnson8474 3 ай бұрын

What I'd love to see is putting a set of kaasse Boss heads on this engine. Also I wish you could build an 03 and newer ford V10 and increase the power!

@chriseastburn3551 3 ай бұрын

Nutt’n better than a NA big block. Love the build!

@davidetchellsetchells4692 3 ай бұрын

Doing what your passion is and getting paid for it while educating as well is a dream job, in fact its not a job if you have a love for what you do. These guys are having fun and showing off some fantastic builds that we the viewers can attain with proper planning

@2429scj 3 ай бұрын

I raced a 71 429scj Mustang in NHRA Stock eliminator class, had to go thru several tear downs to verify engine met all NHRA'S spec requirements. The factory torque spec for cylinder head bolts was 140 Ft/lbs so ARP is going with Ford engineering specs, not anything they came up with, Just Sayin.

@stevansaunders18 2 ай бұрын

Gotta say Pat and Frankie our my favorites. No fake cheesy banter. They work great together and I agree with others, cool to see Frankie continue grow as an engine builder along side Pat. This was a fun build. But even I am a ford guy, I don’t care what they are building, just like watching them make big power 😂.

@ghunt81 3 ай бұрын

Love a good big block Ford! 460's are slept on

@jamie_ej1 3 ай бұрын

As a long time fan of powernation, this combo of Pat and Frankie is primo! Great episode guys

@matthewnosal6893 3 ай бұрын

Whit the abundance of aftermarket heads, Trickflow, AFR,SR71’s it’s nice to see some old school eddies still getting some love and making HP. Not every engine is a high dollar drag engine set on kill. Great numbers.

@thesillyquestions 2 ай бұрын

Love the BBF content. I wish I would have seen a build similar to this but with Kaase heads.

@tristanstrader 3 ай бұрын

cant beat a good mechanics band-aid, shop towel and electrical tape

@colekitten1367 3 ай бұрын

And handyman helper, duck tape

@Bobthebuilder.69 3 ай бұрын

Yep it's like a sore willy, can't beat it!

@teddyjones8027 2 ай бұрын

Soo friggin awesome to see all that knowledge and passion being passed on. Love me some BB ford 429/460 bruisers.... love all combustion engines no matter how big or small

@srirachasauce8430 3 ай бұрын

I cannot deny any longer.... that turbo was smol

@davidlefranc6240 3 ай бұрын

God i love those good o'l Ford engines the old 87 econoline we had was converted into a camper and the only thing that killed that thing was the rust it was over 500k miles pretty decent for a gas engine !

@opengnosis8555 3 ай бұрын

Love you guys. They should have just got you guys another block!

@mattthompson3807 2 ай бұрын

I love how the closed captioning picks up the engine noise as music and applause that makes me happy 😁

@hughheeney3554 3 ай бұрын

I have a 351 cleveland out to 434 cu in, (after market block), hydraulic roller cam 950 cfm carb, built in the US and custom pistons also from the US. Heads trick flow. It makes just under 600 rwh and just under the same torque. Block is Australian and the engine built in Auckland NZ.

@KH102695 2 ай бұрын

You guys have the best job ever!!

@Alex88302 2 ай бұрын

Its amazing to me that with a little love and modern tech, how much an old farm truck motor can make. God i love 460s.

@stevenbesson8988 3 ай бұрын

That big block isn’t even trying yet, all done before 6k and a hyd roller, just a solid street cruiser.

@Warrior_Resisting_Colonialism 3 ай бұрын

And tire shredder.

@danmyers9372 3 ай бұрын

They gave up 40+ HP with that tiny cam.

@stevenbesson8988 3 ай бұрын

@@danmyers9372 yeah and it still made 500+ hp, really the cam should’ve been in the 240’s.

@turbojoe9554 2 ай бұрын

yeah the cam choked the heads for sure. There's another 100-150 hp in that thing with some improvements. BUT-that cam idles VERY good (had same cam in my old F100) and makes decent power for what it is. These 385 series engines are (or "were") the "mutt" of the engine world. Only in the last 10 years have they started showing signs of "catching up"

@strider8933 3 ай бұрын

I had one back in the 80's that was a torque monster. I would love to do another with modern injection. I can see the possibilities!!! Old F100, stock body but modern underneath. What a ride!!

@bradbarley6639 23 күн бұрын

That motor would make a great addition to a boat!

@dtengineering1 2 ай бұрын

Another great build with excellent explanations too. Thanks guys.

@PotatoeJoe69 3 ай бұрын

I'd love to see a Chrysler LA 318 build, with only 2 stipulations; stock displacement, and Trick Flow 190 heads. Everything else is fair game. I bet you could get 400hp easy.

@colekitten1367 3 ай бұрын

Happy Frankie didn’t get busted knuckles in this episode when I saw his almost accident happened thank God for his fast reflexes

@JeffBarker 3 ай бұрын

Would love to have that in my 66 Ford.

@craigquann 3 ай бұрын

Uh oh! Pat's using shop language! 😆

@z1berzerker 3 ай бұрын

Old school 🏫 diesel numbers 💪 the original godzilla

@louissparks2496 3 ай бұрын

You guys are great.

@metalted6128 3 ай бұрын

Stroke that BBF!! For real HP!!!

@colekitten1367 3 ай бұрын

Another great episode guys exactly how I wanted to end my work day come home and watch pat and Frankie thx guys

@Bloodcurling 3 ай бұрын

@7:30 That compression ratio increase is insane, and the reduction in cylinder head volume

@AndyFromm 3 ай бұрын

Nice build

@robertleadwood 3 ай бұрын

3:36 spark bolts 😂

@OzkAltBldgCo-bv8tt 2 ай бұрын

I love how you guys stuck with this motor and did different configurations. Using less in the end it may be more? Or maybe not here's a crazy idea hook a hydrogen cell that goes to a bus to the motor hook and water meth injection and put in a little bit of nitrous what could happen with the trifecta fuels?

@Project851 3 ай бұрын

Great to see Pat in a video again 👍 And one of the biggest question regarding Pat is of course.... How many pens can he make room for in his shirt 😊

@grumpyoldmankungfoo772 3 ай бұрын

Would love to see you guys do a build up on the Ford Australia Barra 4 litre 6 from the Aussie built Falcon. Unbreakable, cheap and plentiful in Australia and easily over 1000 bhp in turbo guise.

@stevemccravy7169 3 ай бұрын

So, you're saying this is perfect for a '70 LTD wagon?

@police428 3 ай бұрын

Junkyard Digs might need it for his 70 Wagon from California. That motor was so bad XD

@CSMSteel7 3 ай бұрын

I loved the 429 in my family’s old Country Squire.

@CrkdFngrGngrBndt 3 ай бұрын

You’d be amazed how much power it would gain from getting rid of the junk Edelbrock heads and put AFR or TrickFlow

@Warrior_Resisting_Colonialism 3 ай бұрын

They're dyno proven to be better?

@Kyle-pl6rl 3 ай бұрын

@@Warrior_Resisting_Colonialism yes, kasse heads are even better

@HomeSkillet832 3 ай бұрын

Did you see the price of aluminum heads from Edelbrock? If you're a machinist or you have a friend who could clean them up pretty amazing for the price

@Warrior_Resisting_Colonialism 3 ай бұрын

@@HomeSkillet832 Think of all that weight gone too though.

@fataldreams2 Ай бұрын

John kasse heads nuff said

@chucksgarage7165 3 ай бұрын

Synchronized bolt torquing should become an Olympic sport.

@kipphawley4514 3 ай бұрын

I would like to see you guys take a Old Skool type of Ford 351C that bored out to 357 with a 3/4 cams and Old Skool type carb that is the biggest carb that your able to use on it. As well use regular unleaded gas and see what it can do. Also try using racing gas and see what the difference of horse power will make. And have pair of Hooker Headers on it. With out having any Sort of computer gadget on. And no turbo setup.

@innovate.integrate.transfo6169 3 ай бұрын

Every pull was amazing for the characteristics that each one showed! This was a torque monster peaking and holding near peak starting at 3,700ish to the mild falloff around 5,000 RPM! Surprised by the relatively flat and wide peak HP curve lasting for 1,000 RPM starting at 5,000-6,000! The sweet spot for the setup at that time. It hit close to peak and held it near peak for 1,000 RPM! As a strip car in a fairly light chassis, this would start to plant you in the seat around 3,000 RPM and want to rip your face off all the way to 6,000RPM... Wide torque curve, modest torque fall off, wide flat HP curve near peak HP for 1,000 RPM on every, single pull! That is surprising! 15:10 - flat wide torque & HP 17:00 - flat wide torque & HP 19:00 - flat wide torque & HP 20:00 - flat wide torque & HP

@user-tu1ee6dc5f 3 ай бұрын

What small car ford could you fit this in or car? 🤔

@thunderray1987 2 ай бұрын

I would love to have that 460 dropped into my '78 LTD II Brougham!! But I'm still plenty happy with my 351 Windsor V8, just needs some serious power upgrades, lol.

@jonmarshall9237 2 ай бұрын

I miss you guys on TV, you’re both so knowledgeable and I learn a lot at my old age with the things you guys do on motors. Have you built a 5.4 Ford Modular? If so please guide me to it. I need to redo my 2000 F-150 2-valve and would like to make some more Horsepower. Keep up the great work you both do. Jon Marshall Lebec, Ca

@dougbrown9861 3 ай бұрын

Back in the day, I would have loved to that in my 68 Torino GT. Although with the 390 it was all I could do to keep tires on that car.

@BReal-10EC 3 ай бұрын

My concern with these fuel injection kits is (electronic) part failure. These are not the EFI systems on mass produced vehicles- made to have very low failure rates. Heard some horror stories of people being stuck somewhere for a long time waiting on replacement parts of something in the EFI system fails (because none of it is at the local auto parts store). That was never an issue with carbs.. well, typically. I do like the convenience and performance/economy they offer. But the "either they work or you are stuck at a motel waiting on parts during your trip" nature is a concern.

@Warrior_Resisting_Colonialism 3 ай бұрын

Can't you just toss an old trusty carb in the trunk for long distance cruises for a simple backup?

@danmyers9372 3 ай бұрын

Yep, shows like this never deal with the realities of these aftermarket EFI units. Not when they are being paid to be shills.

@Gerald-p4i 2 ай бұрын

Great job the two of you always do! I’ve watched your channel for years now and it’s always a learning experience. Now I do have a question. What spark plug gap do you guys use when you’re using a MSD ignition for your dynos?

@dandel351 3 ай бұрын

Nice build there gents. But I have to say I would have kept the turbo. Just for the fact it's making so much torque that way. I know this the setup the "customer" wanted but 770 ft/lb of torque is no joke , now granted all that at 3500rpm is probably pushing the luck with the rest of the drivetrain . I would have split the difference myself , I would go with 9:1 comp with the alloy heads with twin turbos and log manifolds to get around the packaging concern . Run the EFI and the turbos and you could have had 700hp and 750ft/lbs on a curve from 3000 to 6000. That would have been a proper monster with low noise and nice manners on pump gas or E85.

@KE0ZCO 2 ай бұрын

Watching you two torque down those heads, look like a couple of detectives with their sleeves rolled up working over a suspect in a dark room.😂

@dumbestoyster 3 ай бұрын

Spark Bolts...

@brandonlittle6444 3 ай бұрын

Historically called that. , Sensing false superiority

@shawnsparkman7916 3 ай бұрын

Love the 460

@todddenio3200 3 ай бұрын

Decent build but with the aftermarket heads it should be doing better than that. With stock heads that weren't even ported out ut just given a good valve job a 460 is capable of putting out over 500 HP.

@user-tu1ee6dc5f 3 ай бұрын

The first run 519 hp. final with timing 533. Did you watch? Are you talking about the turbo? They had stock heads before.

@danmyers9372 3 ай бұрын

Cam was way too small for the flow of those heads. Customer must have wanted a low RPM build for towing?

@todddenio3200 3 ай бұрын

@@user-tu1ee6dc5f I watched. I am talking normally aspirated 460's were putting out over 500 HP using unreported stock heads over 20 years ago and with porting they can be pushed to equal or even exceed the output of the test engine in the video.

@axlegrind4212 3 ай бұрын

an oil pan evac is a good system for racing, but i prefer a vacuum balance system for the street. that is a 5/8 hose or tube from a baffle on the valve cover directly to the inside of the air cleaner. that balances the crankcase pressure with the intake stroke of the valve timing event to neutralize the difference in pressure. that helps the piston rings to seal and do their job. since the crankcase has a few pounds of pressure, isn't that actually adding a couple pounds of boost into the intake? yes it is.

@cyclonekevin6199 3 ай бұрын

I wonder what’s it’s going in. Nice build.

@DavidWilliams-hf8sc 3 ай бұрын

4:20 OMG...that teardown tray! Where do I get one??? Permatex on both sides of the WP gasket? Why create more sealing surfaces??

@LoneWrencher 3 ай бұрын

that thing would be perfect for my 66 comet 4 speed

@Joebauers2505 3 ай бұрын

Would have been neat to see a comparison sniper2 vs something like 850dp holley.

@AretzJustin 3 ай бұрын

man if this was around 23 years ago i would still have my first car.

@RebelD1967 3 ай бұрын

A 40hp difference in boost vs. Na I'd rather have the na motor in a light chassis less room taken up and less to go wrong be perfect for a fox and lighter

@73twinturbo 16 күн бұрын

This engine in a centurion bronco c250 4x4 would be great!!

@i8as 2 ай бұрын

My dad had an upper and lower roller 460 from a 77 Lincoln. I've never ever seen one like it again.

@greggc8088 2 ай бұрын

Kind of figured 32ish would have been about it on timing being such a big bore long stroke as most aluminum headed SBC's I've done stop at about 36 at around 9.5ish CR. Maybe that huge freaking cam duration on the exhaust and setting it at 105.5 degrees played a part in it though?

@gordie002009 3 ай бұрын

Poor Pat , can’t get a word in edgewise …lol !

@TBombaclot 2 ай бұрын

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Frankie remove a head without dropping it or almost dropping it.

@per-goranborjesson2045 2 ай бұрын

we do in sweden 37* before high end goood power

@WilliamCollins-sh6lm 3 ай бұрын

What about the valley pan ??? Glued to intake manifold or gaskets ??? I had plans for pretty much this same engine "Once Upon a Time" ...

@markrenton1093 3 ай бұрын

It is still tough to beat a turbo with stock heads.

@billhendon1017 3 ай бұрын

Nice!!

@robertwest3093 2 ай бұрын

They say that the exhaust port on a late eighties Ford 460 flows about the same as the one on the 5.0 Mustang. I think they max out around 110 cfm. No wonder the later built 460 can’t get out of its own way.

@wudznutt6732 2 ай бұрын

Maybe, but they turned 37" tires on my work trucks in miles of mud. Too bad that they didn't have a better tranny.

@jrc5629 3 ай бұрын

Please do an LA318 build.

@thesquirrelchroniclesakare7808 3 ай бұрын

What did Pat say when you nearly dropped that head ?

@Adrenacyde 3 ай бұрын

"Oh Fiddlesticks!" 😆

@WesternReloader 3 ай бұрын

What I love about the 460 architecture is the huge bore and relatively small stroke, generally I used to think big block meant long strong or a square bore/stroke ratio, so does that mean a 460 is meant to rev?

@CSMSteel7 3 ай бұрын

It would seem that way, but if I remember correctly they stroked and bored a 429 (385 series) to 460 mainly for the claim to fame of sheer cubic inches. Had to compete with other land yachts that had 500’s and 455’s. Ford advertised it as low rpm torque, but hey, marketing ya know.

@mkb1690 3 ай бұрын

If you can find a cam rated for it and not float the valves, I'm sure it would be good

@hendo337 3 ай бұрын

@@CSMSteel7the 460 is a 429 with a longer stroke. The Ford 400 has a longer stroke than a 460, a 393w has the same stroke as a 460. The Cadillac 500 has the longest stroke of the common classic Big Blocks 4.3" the Olds is close at 4.25", the 429/460 are very similar to the Mopar 400/440 with big bore and shorter stroke except the Mopars have a shorter stroke. The 429/460, Olds 403, Mopar 400 have some of the biggest factory bores.

@WilliamCollins-sh6lm 3 ай бұрын

Ok ran out on Distributor Timing but what of Cam timing ??? Any Tweaks there for few more points ??? Or carb spacer/mixer/ what have ya up your sleeve ??? X pipe ??? Curious being it's on the stand ??? Just what else or what other tricks to get just a few more horse Power with out busting the bank !!!

@Warrior_Resisting_Colonialism 3 ай бұрын

Cam timing changes where the power is, not the amount. It pulls hard right out of the gate. I'd leave it there for a street engine. Tire shredding beast!

@mcjitsu 2 ай бұрын

Would VERY interested if the cost of these parts were included. And even though in a great shop, how many hours. These determine whether or not many of us will do similar tuneups and upgrades. An approach of "lets see what happens if we put really expensive parts in." is interesting but not useful.

@robertallen9717 3 ай бұрын

I'd like to see what it would make with pump E85 and the sniper 2

@hendo337 3 ай бұрын

Needs way more cam, compression, single plane. A BBF making less than 650hp is a waste of time. You can make 600hp with TFS 11R 190cc heads on a 357ci 9.5" Windsor. A cheapo Scat 408 Windsor with TFS 11Rs can make 650hp easy, is way smaller and lighter. If I was going to mess with an old school BBF I would want to run a Qjet on it to get the sweet sounds that Gator McCluskey was making with his brown '71 Ford Custom 500 sedan.

@gunjunky187 3 ай бұрын

Is 107 LSA a concern with a fuel injection setup?

@gregoryjowers3629 3 ай бұрын

Now it’s time for a bigger cam. Can it make 600hp on motor

@Parents_of_Twins 3 ай бұрын

Would really love to see you all build a NA then turbo 429\460 with Kaase heads or compare the same build with Kaase versus another brand. Really want to put a turbo 429 into a F-600 just for fun. Have to finish up the half dozen other projects I've started first or figure out how to clone myself.

@Backwoods_870 3 ай бұрын

Throw a big ass whipple supercharger on it.

@farncoisbisson7737 3 ай бұрын

Waiting for a vortec 4200 built

@axlegrind4212 3 ай бұрын

11:28 i learned to preload the poly lock and not the set screw to hold the rocker in place. just setting preload with the set screw turned disastrous for me the first time i set the lash on needle bearing rocker arms. since i preload the poly lock, i have never had a rocker arm back off. read the instructions.

@axlegrind4212 2 ай бұрын

actually that is how comp cams instructs how to install their poly locks. not me. i'm preloading the nut.15- 20 ft lbs

@David-yy7lb 3 ай бұрын

That's awesome guys but I have a question why on any engine build hp and tq always cross at 5250 rpm?

@Looptydude 3 ай бұрын

That is always going to be the case with any engine, it's in the equation to convert torque to horse power.

@FullBoltOnRacing 3 ай бұрын

Horse power calculated by the equation torque/5252. It’s just the calculation

@cbrouma8014 3 ай бұрын

What is the thought behind a 105.75 degree intake centreline?

@beams_garage Ай бұрын

I wondered the same, probably just where it landed.

@VGHCX 3 ай бұрын

The 472 Cadillac engine make more power than this with just a minor port and polish of the stock iron heads and a 3 angle valve job with an aftermarket aluminum intake.