TAS Recreation: Mew2King's Triple Dip on Armada at Canada Cup 2017

[@wileecoyotegenius5955]

I think you're forgetting the most important part of this combo: the power of 69%. That alone guarantees victory for M2K no matter what.

[@BakingSoda4U]

"Huhhh, that's not appropriate"

[@2FadeMusic]

@@BakingSoda4U bruh I saw that shit

[@Doormin]

This is the melee equivalent of analyzing chess lines that could have happened when you annotate a game

[@JuicemanGravy]

Chess is so great. It's amazing how much goes into it

[@GameHopperME]

Melee so deep

[@Pedro-ho2xj]

RUSh dip*

[@suntzu3541]

SKILL GAP

[@SHCVoodoo]

lolk

[@StellarSTLR1]

Not really

[@Dave_Chrome]

@@StellarSTLR1 you're wrong

[@alwayshappypastry]

as a spectator who mostly watches with an "oooh pretty combos" pov, this is both super informative and fun to watch. love it!!!

[@Sweetluckk]

The more you watch melee the more and more you’ll learn about options

[@benjaminshields9421]

Damn. Im really liking these. Are you gonna do some for every big event?

[@PracticalTAS]

That's the plan, as long as each event has a moment worth recreating.

[@unlisted9144]

Fox puff is alwasy worht recreating. Thats why we do it every tournament

[@krazyzyko]

+Unlisted Fox Hbox*

[@nekocosan578]

that made me subscribe

[@Dave_Chrome]

@@PracticalTAS lmao can you do Axe vs Silentwolf on FoD? The

[@tasshuffler8905]

Can I just say that this is one of the reasons why this game is still so fresh. All of these outcomes from one seemingly small situation. This game may as well be infinite. So much depth, more than my little brain can comprehend

[@kayden2119]

TasShuffler too bad it’s boring as hell

[@Marviscoso]

@@kayden2119 well thats only your opinion.

[@Gamesforus1]

@@Marviscoso You say while watching a seemingly random melee video, lol.

[@jordan6398]

No, you can’t say that lol, but yeah, it’s crazy, u rite

[@smashmouthegg570]

@@kayden2119 imagine saying that and acting like ultimate is any more interesting

[@wayjientan7736]

Exactly the kind of content I love, please keep going!

[@antares1233062]

Please don't stop making these :) Also, make sure to drop these on twitter, melee ppl tend to use twitter a bunch and makes sharing easier!

[@PracticalTAS]

It's up on twitter already :) twitter.com/PracticalTAS/status/926072838921928706

[@antares1233062]

Yep, I'm pretty sure I saw an earlier video on Twitter, I'm just saying that was working :P

[@JMSONE]

You really don't get enough credit for breaking these down. It's like a chess engine going through different lines of play. Keep up the amazing work!

[@vincentskater]

Just goes to show how much depth there is to this game and why top players are consistently at the top. Incredible. So many possibilities in one combo, imagine an entire set! wow

[@iamspikefire]

Man, Melee truly is Nintendo's happy accident.

[@ShadowKryzis]

Alex Van Aert *Greatest

[@tobyvision]

What I can't figure out about Nintendo is how they can be so blind to the success of Melee and the potential of a Melee 2. I know they make good money on their "family party games" strategy, but how can they not see Melee enthusiasts putting on multiple tournaments twenty years later as an opportunity? Hire the Project M guys, make a hardcore Melee 2, invest in the tournament scene like Capcom, rake in the money for another two decades. I don't get it.

[@youdungoofed1]

@@tobyvision their butt hurt cuz they wanted it to be a casual game and they hate that its so competitive.

[@tobyvision]

@@youdungoofed1 I know Sakurai has said something like that a couple of times, but I refuse to believe Nintendo the corporation stands by that idea. There is no reason there can't be an Ultimate and a Melee 2 side by side. They wouldn't lose money, they would make money for decades. It's nonsensical.

[@username18990]

Keep doing these TAS: Recreations! They’re amazing!

[@XxuplmxX]

These are the videos we should show fighting game players to explain why we enjoy melee. This game may have less attacks and quarter circle combos, but way more options.

[@popmagoot227]

You can't just make a comparison like "more options"

[@SharpShooter6191]

Pop Magoot I mean idk. In some games there probably are literally more moves than other games, but maybe instead of more options he could say more mixups?

[@sage798]

uplm Characters have less attacks but more options in other ways. For that reason it's easy for "casuals" to pick up but hard for pros to master.... And so fun to watch.

[@flip.flap.]

One thing which I think really sets Smash apart from traditional fighting games like Street Fighter is the movement. Especially in Melee, there are so many different options for grounded movement, leading to a wide variety of approaches. Also, the aerial game in Smash is simply on an entirely different level than the air game of Street Fighter. Aerial momentum mixups and platform mobility are two things that I always enjoy watching in Melee and Smash 4. Take Smash 4 Mewtwo, for example: he's very floaty, with a high second jump and an airdodge that makes him disappear, allowing you to confuse your opponent on where you'll end up after the airdodge. He also can edge cancel the end of his teleport, so you can get really creative with your platform movement on Battlefield.

[@TheMansterTruck]

uplm "quarter circle combos" lol

[@CuBaNcHuR0]

This is why melee is considered the most competitive smash, so many different options to use and at the same time being able to understand how each option works with each match up, truly genius

[@bayanmehr9663]

Really good thing you've got going here, I love seeing all the different ways Melee can turn out. I want to see more!

[@fakename712]

This video actually sums up competitive melee very well as a whole. For every tiny detail, no matter how perfect, there are options to beat and avoid out. Every scenario could be changed slightly to be changed drastically.

[@bjornneumann6618]

This is quality content if I've ever seen some. Don't stop! This is amazing!

[@SuilongV3]

Melee is art

[@marianm.6051]

This is amazing man, showing us each option was very helpful thanks

[@ThatOneScienceGuy]

This is actually really cool. I have never seen a video where they explore all the possibilities of a certain situation.

[@rens835]

Imagine having to explain all of this to your grandma

[@MultiAsdasad]

Lmao

[@brutalikyd]

This is like watching Homura trying to save Madoka.

[@joaquinvillasenor4818]

You made my day

[@iceloveanime]

"Zettai no anata wo sukutte miseru!

[@jordandwiggins1026]

-Argentic- The comment I did not expect to find here, but I’m glad I did

[@seanh3479]

That wavedash back at 1:39 when parasol doesn't protect ledge is crazy, I didn't even know that was possible

[@aaronpopovich8278]

This is a really good analysis of what could have happened. Keep up the good work

[@hahaminenowo7]

Melee is fucking crazy dude.

[@reggydavis]

This is amazing in idea and execution. Great job.

[@yELoHQ]

This is absolutely amazing.

[@MaximusXavier]

This is all the more rewarding to watch now. :)

[@o0xHorizoNx0o]

Seriously love these. keep up the good work.

[@MrSupersahib]

im loving these

[@Maye1918]

So uh, when are you gonna recreate an Hbox pop off? i wanna know his options

[@SpazSmokeS]

Melee TAS shows the infinite potential that is melee

[@JediJess1]

Chess levels of Theory Tas! I love it

[@stuna210]

Keep doing these type of videos please.

[@mokukiridashi]

this game is nuts

[@WesHeinz]

I want so many videos like this

[@TheAfroKidz]

Ey good content and nice fire emblem music. Keep it up dude

[@KTSpeedruns]

He should become a full time Marth2King.

[@TheAfroKidz]

i didnt realize until today but long, super technical analysis of melee is definitely my aesthetic

[@whs1pmjazz]

holy moly this could have gone so many different ways

[@hextorm2]

This is why I love melee

[@meanbeanmachine]

do you take staling of moves into consideration?

[@PracticalTAS]

Yep, I actually do a partial recreation of each character's previous stock in order to match the stale move queue.

[@luisdss]

Practical TAS 2: Melee Creations That is going deep af, keep up the good work!

[@bb2fiddler]

The scariest part is, I'm sure all of that went through both players' heads in an instant, as well as 50 other options. Melee is amazing and so are its gods

[@1001011011010]

...I highly doubt that. Maybe covered some (ie the most important/favorable/common) options, but you're not gonna calculate all of them.

[@bigevilshark1958]

Melee is a beautiful thing

[@YouSoldHerSoul]

These are still so sick

[@Arouxayis]

Wow this dude recreated the scenario so many times

[@Seph4096]

this was a nice video good job

[@aureothamaster5664]

How do you recreate? Do you do it start-to-finish or do you have visual cues of positioning that you feel you can replicate from?

[@PracticalTAS]

I set up the stale move queue, then find a good starting position (visually; i want something simple and easy to adjust if I'm slightly off), then walk through the video frame by frame to figure out who did what moves when. Once that's done, I stop the replay at various points to see what the players could have done differently.

[@swag-mexico-gucci]

More videos like this please

[@AzngameFreak03]

That first video is when you rub your eyes and wait for it to reset.

[@lWyvern]

m2k HAS frame perfect spacing :)

[@frilent]

Perfect sync at 2:07 - 2:11 omg

[@NinjaPickups]

This is why Melee greatest game ever

[@sizzle5775]

I hear Winning road of victory from FE7!

[@SwerveStarEx]

Jeez, this is absolutely insane. Owo Kudos to you for going this in depth and making such an impressive vid! If M2K decided to just edgehog would there have been any way for Armada to come back? This vid is really demonstrating just how incredibly strong edgehogging was in Melee so I'm curious.

[@rivers64]

Amazing vid

[@Michael_Dominic]

I remember back in ~2013 or so, Zoso and Shminkledorf and my self were playing melee together. Zoso and Shminkledorf were playing Marth ditto's and Shmink kept getting rekt by the tipper edge guard so I told him next time he gets hit to smash DI up and onto the stage and he did it on his first try. good times.

[@joshbalgos7634]

idk what i learnt from this but its cool.

[@OtterSC2]

You're doing the lords work mate amazing content, start a patreon or something I want to give u money

[@PracticalTAS]

Wow thank you, I really appreciate this. I don't have any plans for a patreon, but I'm accepting tips/donations at paypal.me/ImPracticalTAS (paypal) and streamlabs.com/practicaltas (credit card)

[@lucaskincanyon7393]

This is very informative!

[@AlexYurian]

Keep with the good job!

[@edwardm.9316]

entertaining and informative. keep it up

[@svenlk]

The meta is real deep here Boys

[@wipifire3244]

Damn, it would be crazy if there was a smash player so skilled that he thinks of all these options at once and chooses

[@jaredcurrie2310]

Thank you youtube recommend

[@puffypuff3144]

so basically what youre saying is M2K happened to perform the action(s) with the greatest odds of success and pretty much anything Armada could've done to escape it couldve been countered one way or the other.

[@NayruSSB]

All these options actually happened in parallel universes.

[@rykeerodriguez9559]

Cool but why can't I find the match on KZbin -.-

[@shaunfowlermccreight7573]

A ton of useful information here but let's remember m2k would've just rolled up and taken the stock, but he was trying to feel himself that tournament and it helped keep his moral up, I think

[@epiphany3021]

Can you do sdi shine options. I heard fox can get out of marth chain grab with slight di backwards. And a video about Ken combos and what marths fair does at certain percents would be awesome

[@Blackout987]

this is good content

[@TheBeggies95]

1:35 why does the parasol hitbox doesn't fully covers the edge there?

[@PracticalTAS]

It goes too far into the stage, so you can get behind it to grab the ledge without getting hit

[@TheBeggies95]

Ohh thats nice!! Thank you for these videos man you're the MVP! Its very entertaining!

[@CaptainKnee]

Good analysis

[@BackwardOutofDusk]

Everybody's looking at the video while I'm all confused why FE6 music is playing in the background.

[@billyhorchel5429]

This is the best video game ever mad d

[@lefthandedscout9923]

I thought offstage Peach Bomber into side of dreamland is banned and Armada would have to forfeit a stock if he stalled doing that. Is it fine to do one then? Is the line drawn at 2, 3, 8, 10, what?

[@PracticalTAS]

The rule isn't well-defined. It's basically: "if you're using it to stall, it's banned, but if you're using it to recover, it's legal".

[@octaviogonzalez8794]

LeftHanded Scout infinite peach bomber is banned. Like how wobbling isnt banned but doing it past 300 is stalling.

[@sprenzy42]

how do you perfectly replicate that?

[@tonii-chan]

Do one for mang0’s side b meteor smash on plup!

[@afoose]

So you are saying there's a chance

[@flyingrednecks4299]

You should get on the mic for these videos

[@calebperez7549]

Does peach's sweetspot lose to marth fsmash?

[@thunderdragon517]

I like the song

[@lambmaster27]

Armada didn't have to wall jump tech, he could have just teched the wall.

[@MinkMcMonkey]

this is so fucking cool

[@Dabestbro.]

Just wondering, how do you disable the reflection on fountain of dreams?

[@ShadowMark3_]

Did it take years of research on this TAS?

[@RaincloudTheDragonXD]

Are you a time traveller

[@Henry-qu2tu]

whats the name of the song used

[@ObssesedZero9]

Peach bomber stall is banned tho

[@Mrhellslayerz]

"stall" being the key word. Using it to recover is ok so long as you don't waste everyone's time by hanging around at the bottom of the stage.

[@iCantPickaNamej]

I don't get anything you said. BUT I LOVE MELEE!

[@josephaguilarjr6462]

Big doubt that either player was thinking about any of this. They just made the plays they made in that particular scenario.

[@Roamstrong]

I doubt they're thinking it out in a cognitive voice-in-head way, BUT when placed into these scenarios, there are feelings of "general correctness" for a line of play that they feel and then act on. At the simplest level, when you see a yellow light turning red while driving, you get the urge to either stop or gun it. You don't go "well, based on this friction coefficient and my tire wear in this exact scenario, I will accelerate 0.25 seconds. If a cop is there at 0.3 seconds then ..." etc etc. No. Instead you get a general feeling based on repetition whether you can make that specific light or not. This dichotomy and interplay between logical assessment (whereupon a person can take a near-infinite amount of time to analyze and determine theoretical outcomes) vs masterclass habit (knowing the "right" thing to do in any given scenario of your craft) is what makes reaction-time-focused sports so appealing. These pro-level players have such habitual depth that these lines of play were feasible - both the play and counterplay. And that drama of play/counterplay is fucking exciting as hell.

[@tobyvision]

When you play a game like this long enough at this level, you have ready made scripts in your head. For me, I can kind of feel the right path arising in front of me depending on what my opponent is doing. But it is not fully conscious thought. It's a mixture of muscle memory, instinct, and thought. There are even weirder scenarios in the kinds of fighting games that allow "option selects" like Street Fighter. Players can input more than one action at the same time, and the game will give the more favorable outcome. So they are responding to their opponent in two ways at once. It gets really weird if you break it down.

[@ethanneufeld1]

Haxdash? As marth a “haxdash” is officially known as a blurdash.

[@ethiopiop]

what is this? chess?

[@tobyvision]

At the highest levels, most fighting games become some amount of chess or poker. Melee tends toward chess.

[@jerry3115]

"if mew2king had perfect spacing" implies that he doesn't

[@LlawlietElle]

All its different when you are in a tournament

[@motoxtim34]

And this is why melee has survived for 2 decades. Also why i am disappointed with every smash game since melee.

[@KingHalbatorix]

Please don't use end cards

[@PracticalTAS]

What's wrong with them?

[@Key019]

You mean he could BLURDASH, right?

[@Crasher7]

i wish we had shit like this for...the game that melee fans hate lol

[@octaviogonzalez8794]

Crash You wish you had someone to analyze the situations? Or you wish smash 4 had enough depth to make micro-situations like these worth analyzing?

[@MatBat__]

Cool