Pragmasis Protector Security Chains - Overview

[@noise172]

I have the 16mm Pragmasis Protector chain and it's an animal, I can tell anyone first hand that unless you have an angle grinder which will make loads of noise nothing is getting through this chain...I rate the Pragmasis Protector even higher than the already very very good Almax chains...

[@Tradescant58]

Very helpful video. Thank you.

[@malesia84]

Hi, can you give me an information please? I would like to know which is exactly the maximum width in centimeters of this chain? My doubt is that it could be too large for the wheel of my motorcycle! Thanks

[@PragmasisSecurity]

The dimensions of all our chains are on our web site: securityforbikes.com/security-chains.php#linkdimensions I hope that helps.

[@8180634]

Assuming the chains cannot be cut by the thief, what lock do you recommend to go with it? With such a sturdy chain, surely the lock becomes the point of focus for the thief.

[@PragmasisSecurity]

We recommend different locks for different chains as a key priority is for the lock to be a close fit onto the chain as otherwise the lock will indeed be an obvious weakness and thus a likely target for a thief. The Package Deals we offer on our web site summarise many combinations that we recommend.

[@Daedalus_UK]

11mm chain for low to high end push bikes 13mm chain for motorcycle carry chain 16mm chain for home protection 19mm chain for places where you know you should not be leaving property.

[@PragmasisSecurity]

Kind of ;-) You can go up a level, or even more than one level, in situations where you've had a previous theft, or where items will be more exposed. ...We also now do a 22mm "Titan" chain - the biggest security chain in the world! That is particularly for situations where angle grinders might be involved. Nothing will completely stop an angle grinder, but we can try to make the battery go flat, as well as try to make it take so long that a thief gets disturbed or, even better, caught!

[@Daedalus_UK]

PragmasisSecurity Yes going up a level where possible, for sure. Have you got a video on this new chain, and does it include that new squire monster padlock that is also anti grinder to some degree?

[@PragmasisSecurity]

We will be updating several of our videos in the near future, plus publishing several more as a lot has been happening. If you subscribe to our channel, you should hear about each new video as it gets published. Thanks for your interest.

[@Daedalus_UK]

Some Proper tests would be nice to see. And if done right will bring more views. I would advice on the following tests. Hacksaw/Bolt croppers/Portable grinder. Be honest and show what it takes to defeat the chains and locks you intend to supply via brute force.

[@PragmasisSecurity]

That is a very tricky issue, and not because we've got anything to hide. Far from it, in fact, but because we don't want to teach thieves how to become better thieves. It's easy to get publicity via KZbin by doing that, and yes, many thieves know a lot, but most thieves can probably learn something and 'beginner' thieves can learn a lot from the sort of video we could do. E.g. if we do a video about attacks with grinders and a mediocre thief, that thinks he's really good with a grinder, finds out that actually he is not as fast as us, we motivate him to get better or to use a different technique. It might get us more views, but it could also result in a lot of people having stuff stolen. We think that is cheap publicity and that it is irresponsible. Even if we were only to teach one thief one thing then we would have done something bad that could result in many people having things stolen. For the same reason, we avoid pointing out bad technique on other people's videos, whether using a grinder, bolt croppers or hammers etc etc. We put our ethics above our profit and we use independent tests every year to give a comparison between our products and those from other manufacturers. We will publish comparative timings on angle grinder tests - actually some of the research we did when working on our 22mm 'Titan' chain - so people can see how different chains and different situations affect the time required. I.e. a percentage comparison across lots of tests. We will not publish any of the actual time figures, though.

[@VicariousReality7]

Neat