Pragmasis Protector Almax Immobiliser 19mm Chain Cut with Angle Grinder

[@robsteele4404]

Thanks Wayne. Great video which helps a lot of bikers to make informed decisions. Thumbs up from the UK.

[@sugamai]

Thank you so much for testing them. Honestly it gives me peace of mind to know that it's a damn tough chain

[@gavinwon2361]

that was sweet Wayne. i am almost sure that if the chain was not in a vice your battery would have gave out before the chain. i own the pragmasis 19mm chain & posted a video of it paired with a modified S&G 831B padlock. i always wondered what would happen if it ever met your Milwaukee grinder & now i know. thank you for investing the time & money to make your videos. they are the most informative videos that i have seen anywhere on the subject & have helped me greatly. pragmasis also makes a 22mm chain.

[@waynewinton]

Gavin W. I hope to try the 22mm soon 😉

[@eddierose8059]

That was crazy! I've never seen an angle grinder have so much trouble! Thanks for the test!

[@waynewinton]

It put up a fight@

[@tpv59]

THANK YOU. We ALL do Appreciate what you have done. A BIG Thank you again. MUCH Appreciated.

[@Hybridvanguard]

you sound like a thief

[@tpv59]

@@Hybridvanguard NO. (on the contrary) ''Thou shalt not steal''. Ex.20:15, Matt.19:18, Rom.13:9 (KJV)

[@maxjoey197]

Thank you Wayne I purchased the Payway chain from you and the to ask the Stanley lot have no problems it’s been over five years I just want to thank you I always check your website

[@Kenji1685]

Wow! Thank you so much for this. So what I get out of this is; wrap this chain around twice. :)

[@celiaengland871]

you're absolutely right about the idea conditions. Trying to cut a 13mm chain on the farm without a vise is very difficult.

[@fallback8314]

what about a 10mm chain?

[@benreid6144]

@@fallback831410mm can be bolt cropped without too much fuss

[@tonypaz100]

Appreciate your investment in our education! Nice one !!

[@waynewinton]

Just-a-biker np

[@waynewinton]

Thx

[@samthesung]

Thank you for all your tests. I really appreciate watching them. I've got the 16mm Pragmasis and very educational to see this.

[@johnmcnc4047]

Your 2014 video of the 63 rockwell hardness 12mm Pewag black snow chain grinding time was 1 min 56 seconds. This video grinding of the 19mm pragmasis was 2 min 16 seconds. That Pewag 12mm chain was really something!! Is it still available?

[@aaron6841]

This couldn't of been more perfect lovely vice very powerful grinder and the guy using it is very experienced I think it's safe to add a few more minutes in field conditions.

[@noise172]

Pragmasis chains are great... people should remember in the real world with a chain on the street and on the ground moving not held in a vice this would take much much longer to cut...I think that chain held out very well in them conditions...

[@liegebeestje7903]

Its a great chain to lock a gilera runner lol

[@ourclarioncall]

How much longer ?

[@badger0888]

Love your videos. Almax has there newest V series. A whopping 22MM chain.

[@waynewinton]

Nice!

[@badger0888]

Security at this level comes at a Premium. Around £250 & There are a few North American distributors outside of UK.

[@rsilvers129]

Can you try the 22mm?

[@JosephByrne]

Excellent no nonsense scientific test. I'm much more informed now. I'm considering the Almax 22mm. Maybe that would finally defeat the disk.

[@celiamarie1]

Dear Wayne, I think you just helped me to make up my mind about which chain to buy for securing my vintage Vespa. Any thoughts as to the best padlock?

[@dfpguitar]

a 19mm chain is an awfully heavy thing to carry around on a vespa. You will probably need 2metre length as well. I would suggest just compromising with a much lighter chain like the pragmasis 13mm and just be cautious not to leave it anywhere it's likely to get stolen. As for padlocks the "untouchable" roundlock sold under PJB and vector brand seems good as its unique shape makes it impossible to cut. I don't know if it's pickable though.

[@james5553]

In london they appear to have extra batteries and discs. They just post two other guys with knifes that threaten anyone trying to stop them. It sucks.

[@james5553]

also subed :)

[@guardian8319]

Good demo my friend great video

[@Lukazoid1]

Would you still recommend the pewag over this chain? I currently have a pewag as it's more transportable but would consider one of these for home if it's better.

[@TheTomco11]

Luke Horsley 3 mins for this, 2 for the pewag right? If it's at home surely you'll notice all the noise before they cut it either way

[@dfpguitar]

appreciate you going to expensive and effort to do this. I was impressed that any chain can hold off an angle grinder for that long. It is reassuring, I don't think it would have been possible in the street. Also thieves tend to have low quality equipment.

[@LKN4WAR]

Just when the battery seemed weak they come out with a 9amp version. I own a number of them. And also the new dewalt 60v angle grinder is like a corded machines. It's a beast power wise. But with 22mm chains out there maybe we are back to similar issues you showed in this video.

[@r__b6095]

Sick, was thinking about getting this and now I'm convinced

[@ganzonomy]

Iron machine match: 22mm chain vs. angle grinder :D. (I'm also ok with 22mm chain vs. anything Wayne has to throw at it.... no tools barred)

[@waynewinton]

Coming soon!

[@Visigoth84]

Yes, please!

[@Tony-mq2br]

Wayne Winton Hi have you went against the 22mm Almax yet? If so can you add the video to this thread

[@jackwenman777]

This is amazing but... Can you cut the 22mm?

[@Nitrxgen]

In London, motorbike theft is at an all-time high. They browse the streets on stolen mopeds, passenger jumps off and angle-grinds locks off in under a minute typically. Broad daylight. Most likely a stolen angle grinder too. They've been found to use 1mm discs and cut through metal like butter. Would they carry spare batteries? Yes. Would they carry spare discs? Yes. I guarantee that. These fuckers are out all night, there would be like at least 5 locked up bikes reported stolen in one area of the same description. Thanks for the demo!

[@Doc.Holiday]

A portable hydraulic bolt cutter?

[@AlexRocks24-7]

Hi Wayne, Have you done a KZbin clip on angle grinder test on the 22mm version 😊❓

[@DannyT636]

Great video Mr Wayne

[@olaayoola9037]

What’s tougher to cut? This pragmasis or Almax version of this?

[@Hear2Help]

impressive now I want one, to go along with my collection

[@Millga]

What thickness disc was that? Doesn't look like a 1.6mm in which case you could knock a bit of time off.

[@fociidannick]

Which is a better chain the 19mm protector or 14mm pewag

[@ivankosynskyi4464]

Try in video 22mm, plaese

[@lawoftheuniverse8089]

Very Educational...Like others have said here, if the chain was not in a Vice then it will be much harder to cut plus the Bike Thieves say that where the chain is located is a big factor in their decision to Scoff it or not...So if you set it up to the chain is not easily reached then I doubt if they would even try to have a go at it...Excellent Video Wayne and Thank You...!!!

[@jeanjacques9980]

Almax manufacture a 25mm chain, an essential purchase if I replace my stolen bike.

[@mjh5437]

Pragmasis also sell a 22mm chain.

[@ourclarioncall]

How long would the angle grinder take in real life situation?

[@fibber2u]

You probably persuade me to by one. Well done.

[@alexwotherspoon5630]

Top review 👍 What lock would you recommend pairing this up with mate?

[@garrettlawncare5697]

Abus 37 80 mul t lock c16 or abus 83cs80

[@panos3505]

@@garrettlawncare5697 I dont think it fits to those padlocks.The chain is very big

[@garrettlawncare5697]

It does i have them all

[@MrPhillAsh]

Thank you for this. Very reassuring :)

[@patrickelamm2890]

Heavy duty chain test,wow Not many is gonna pack that heavie of a chain , At least I wouldn't. I love Milwaukee. Thank you for the video entertaining.🔏🧰😊👍

[@MissMan666]

Thanks for upload!

[@Coiltec]

Thanks for the video! But there seem to be more powerful cordless angle grinders. Like the Metabo WPB 36 LTX BL 230. This beast uses 230mm disks and 36 volt / 6.2 Ah batteries, and is advertised to be as powerful as a regular 2400 watt grinder. The battery should last for 11 cuts through aautobahn guard rails, to I think it can cut a 19mm and even a 22mm chain with lots of reserves. Costs almost 1000 euros, though.

[@J0kerScars]

Any good sites to buy this chain? Also will this chain fit well with your custom Stanley lock? Thanks

[@noise172]

SecurityForBikes.com for the Pragmasis chains and new type Squire locks like the massive insane SS80CS and the smaller but still very good updated SS65CS lock.

[@waynewinton]

Yes. I don't Rember the site name

[@cassin11]

Hi Wayne, I'm deciding between Peweg 7/16 and Protector 16mm. Which one is tougher in your test? I saw your review of Peweg chain in 2014 but not sure if the test was similar to what you did for Protector chain.

[@noise172]

Pragmasis are the best chains on the market, even when you watch Wayne's video's on all the chains you can see the Pragmasis takes longer to cut on the grinder and is overall a better chain hence why it does costs a lot more...No doubt the Peweg is still a good chain but overall the Pragmasis is the one to have.

[@orlandoducati]

I have a question, I'm looking for a chain between the lengths of 15 feet to 20 feet of this same strong material, any recommendation?

[@mjh5437]

Pragmasis sell one 6 metres long.

[@cameronhills5578]

@@mjh5437 which will probably cost more than the bike!

[@jayjones7783]

Thank you!

[@peterago1082]

thanks for the test

[@missionron]

Im glad someone finaly did this test. However, this is not at all real world conditions. Always keep the chain OFF THE GROUND. If possible.

[@SinisterAngel1]

Smart

[@stagepyro]

Almax now offers their 22 mm chains. They claim it's case hardened, so the core remains ductile.

[@noise172]

Pragmasis also have a 22mm chain out, they brought there 22mm out about 3 months before Almax.

[@bitTorrenter]

Almax have now brought out 25mm chains!

[@juanbaclavab]

@@bitTorrenter It's garbage. I need a 50mm chain

[@willybee3056]

Good job,,, but what about liquid nitrogen and a hammer?

[@stagepyro]

Willy Bee LN? Really? It's stockpiled everywhere, since lab suppliers have outnumbered Home Depot and Walmart 😉. Propane and dry ice are a much more common threat.

[@davidcoles100]

I had 2 of these and it Took them two minutes to cut both locks and take my bike

[@garrettlawncare5697]

I call bs what.lock did you have they probably cut the weak lock

[@davidcoles100]

Garrett Lawn Care I got A package deal with the Squire lock what cost me I think was 240 per per chain and lock and when they took my bike they took the chains with them

[@DonzLockz]

It lasted longer than i thought. It'd be easier to cut the gate or motorbike in half than cut this thing! Thanks for testing and yes, I think you're a nutter ;) good job!

[@waynewinton]

Thx

[@toadinthehole8085]

Top man .

[@TheErnieeeb]

Thanks, I wish I had a opening on the wheel on my dolly that would allow me to use this chain, then again it may cost more than the dolly. Thanks

[@addsanchez]

Would love to see you test a pjb untouchable 19mm (actually 19.85mm) chain one day, keep up the good work! 👍

[@waynewinton]

You can send me some and ill test it

[@missionron]

For all intents and purpose...its goofproof.

[@ewaf88]

A big problem is that battery technology is improving so that say 5 years in the future they may have 3 - 6 times the energy density. However if the chain take 2 - 3 minutes to cut through it should deter many thieves.

[@thomasroux_th]

It took you about the same time to cut the Pewag chain. Do you know the weight per meter and cost per meter of both chains to comapre other factors ?

[@mynock250]

Thomas Roux He cut the pewag chain in 60 seconds.

[@nomsi4263]

The fact you need extra discs, battery. Sold, i would gladly save up extra just for this chain and a roadlok for security

[@eyefishinggunkchannel1011]

Why not make it square cos its 20% harder 2 get through

[@JamesPhillipsOfficial]

A good video but as you said we are "approaching" a battery grinder proof chain then the chain still needs to get even bigger, maybe 30mm or even full inch diameter 52mm why not? You have to think its actually double the size when they are cutting both sides 44mm of pure hardened steel to gain access, imagine 104mm its going to take maybe 2 or 3 batteries and same in discs. if we get a hardened chain that can withstand at least 1 fully charged battery on a high value mini grinder like Milwaukee, Bike owners can celebrate while thieves are giving up, the amount of time and effort and risk needed means they are more likely to get caught or move on like you said, more material, more security.. Even regular bicycle security articles consider 10mm a chain as a "minimum" more regularly even in small towns 11-14mm chains and shackles are pretty standard. but yeah there is weight, size and space issues, 22mm chain is not something you shove in a backpack, might need a sack truck because it's so heavy lol

[@Tony-mq2br]

The 22mm Almax is now crying out to be tested against the grinder

[@souloukex6680]

Try without a vice. It would be more realistic

[@kamikazi5144]

Jesus christ I need that chain

[@antman5474]

...advert for angle grinders popped up during that vid. lol

[@giancarlofanigliulo6298]

Thieves in London cut through this 19mm chain easily and cut my abus disc lock clean out of the rim... The bike was covered too.

[@TheGeezzer]

2 mins 10 seconds for both sides.

[@penfold7800]

What a chain!! Youre not going to be holding that chain with one hand and cutting it one handed. Even if youre standing on the chain and cutting downwards, the cutting disc is gonna smash at the end of the first cut.

[@willybee3056]

If the sparks are eating your camera, , try shooting with a mirror. tanx...

[@waynewinton]

ok I migh try thatthx

[@Reyes6.0]

22mm!!!

[@2stroketimebomb]

Almax chains are black and made with Boron in UK, I very much doubt they are the same as the Pragmasis chain, although an angle grinder will easily go through one in a few mins.

[@kamikazi5144]

The thief will wake up the entier neighbourhood breaking that thing

[@Aka.Aka.]

Oh yes minimum security for new york

[@philipnewton3739]

So the thieves have to carry a vice do they? Make it realistic and chain a bike up.

[@eyefishinggunkchannel1011]

This is silly why so big use the chains that they put round catapila trooks you may find them at a place that sells chains rhat ho round articulating truck wheels rheee 12mm and really hard steal cos there used in minus 50degree weather and are small these chain links are round which is 15 or 20% less stronger than the square ones so ye the size of these links is like carrying a d lock per link lolololol

[@charlessimons668]

Problem with this, it just makes the padlock the weak point. I can't think of a quality padlock thats large enough to lock that up and stop bolt cutters.

[@noise172]

Look up the "new" Squire SS80CS it is massive and the shackle alone is over 16mm, also Squire have a new version of the Squire SS65CS and none of these can be touched with bolt cutters not even with the massive 42 inch Irwin cutters, again the only way would be with some time with an angle grinder....Type in on youtube....Squire SS80CS High Security CEN Grade 6+ Padlock .....The new series SS80CS and SS65CS locks are very new.

[@wb5mgr]

Charles Simons Abloy Protec2 PL362... You'll be better off cutting the chain then trying to cut the lock.

[@amountain2]

You're right. Sometimes the padlock can be the weakest point, but sometimes the chain is the weakest point. Check out these reviews to find out more: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/security/motorcycle-chains-and-locks/how-to-choose-the-best-motorcycle-security

[@dfpguitar]

the PJB/vector roundlock is structurally good enough. It's unique shape means it's too awkward to cut. But I don't know how pickproof it is as t has generic Taiwanese innards. The best armoured padlock in general seems to be the Ingersoll with the fully enclosed shackle. However it is very expensive.

[@bitTorrenter]

2 mins 17 seconds

[@fibber2u]

Not sure what language I used on that last comment but I meant to say you may have persuaded me to buy one.

[@petercousins1645]

any scumbag trying to cut thru' one of these chains in the small hours of darkness will wake everyone from London to San Francisco, most crappy chains are cut in about 15-20secs, not this one British workmanship at it's best.

[@RETUSAF1995]

Yeah, that won't call attention to yourself.

[@kamikazi5144]

Imagine using a 22 mm chain lol

[@braap_biglunch]

man u just cut through a 200$ chain loll ....good to know thanks

[@Sombody123]

It's just one link of it. The rest of the chain is still very much usable.

[@Yanchor]

No chain alone will stop a thief lifting your motorcycle into a van without a quality security ground anchor and for the best see Y anchor security anchors. www.yanchor.com

[@tornadoofsteel3139]

NEVER use an angle grinder without a guard, for the love of God.

[@chodkowski01]

Just the noise of the grinder would alert people to a theft being committed. I wonder with all that noise and you being caught is worth cutting a chain and stealing whatever that chain was connected to.

[@pooheadlooool]

CC Chodkowski doesn't change anything in London. 630am last week a GTs300 was ground out of its anchor chain, disc lock by three guys in a front garden. Threatened owner to stay away. Bike gone in 2-3 minutes police turned up in 20