The Legacy of the Monk

[@marsupialmole3926]

"Did you know that the MoP trailer is the most disliked Blizz video?" Not anymore! Haha! both the gameplay and reveal trailers for Diablo Immortal surpassed it within 4 hours of going up

[@xadamx94]

1 year later an n'zoth's death was so bad blizzard de listed the video

[@adamn2993]

I was just thinking the same thing hahaha

[@Doesin]

Also all those unique model shop mount videos.

[@IamQuh]

Haha! Not even in top 3 anymore! Congrats to the Shadowlands trailer on joining the pack!

[@Fabriciod_Crv]

@@IamQuh what are you on about? SL's trailer was received quite well

[@jolt187]

Oh, fucking yeah. As one of the 5 people who main monk, that intro was exciting

[@christophhofland8890]

I did in WoD and Mists. Mistweaver. Now you dont know why i dont still main a monk :P (the changes in wod, horrifying, HORRIFYING)

[@redjuvee]

I mained a monk when they first came out in mists and everyone in my guild hated me at the time, now they love me in mythic+ and raiding.

[@Stormsong93]

Monk is love, monk is life.

[@Dos_Caffeine]

Nighthold is where monks shined. :)

[@SenseiDonga]

Taran Zhu kicking garosh in the ass and dissing him off was my favorite part of the xpac I mean he blew me up with a nuke

[@andreim1270]

"does it do mad deeps and does it look sick af'' .... gold lmao

[@SporeTres]

Two edgelord hero classes and a class during the most hated expansion of WoW, served along side Pandaren after a disappointing DW finale? Yup, they set Monks up to be a failure. Plus I really hate the Pandaren starting area. I purposely rolled a Tauren Monk because Kung Fu Beef was a more fun prospect.

[@ebolachan8198]

Bleach demon hunter are more popular because you start at lvl 98 so its in all cases a farm character for free, even if you dont level him more, you can still use them for farming old raid mounts without any effort putting into leveling

[@gagecrewe7798]

WoD is the most hated expansion, and Cataclysm before that, MoP was never hated except by children.

[@itskhro]

Whats with the long black screen during the start of the Windwalker section? Only me? Anyways, thanks for this legacy! Maybe we will get some more monks now :D I was Brewmaster at the later half of WoD, and now have a windwalker alt in Legion, its truely fun.

[@LordBufu]

Same here, for a second i started doubting my videocard update from today, but apears to be the video :P

[@niklasstahl98]

CQKhro have just starte leveling my monk again a few days ago, most fun class I ever played. It's just sliding under most peoples radar, which is kind of sad

[@warkoto4919]

there were only two people playing WW monk so he had nothing to put up sadly

[@Zephyrbal]

I think the most bitter pill here is that, before Wrath, many players who were at that time still very much fans of WarCraft in general, actually wanted Panderans. Badly. There were shitloads of threads asking for Chen, Pandarans, Pandaria, Brewmasters (which was all we knew of monking in WarCraft at the time), but by the time Mists was actually announced that audience had faded into obscurity and were completely outmatched by the people who knew WoW and only WoW and didn't give a flying fuck about Pandas and how cool they were in Frozen Throne.

[@filipbatora7523]

I was always amazed by fact that WoWwiki (the older and much less updated of WoW Wikipedias, which allows people to even now see pages that were written 8 years ago and were never updated) listed Pandaria as one of expected future expansions, but when it actually came, people were complaining how WoW is copying Kung Fu Panda. I also have similar experience to you in terms of lore discussions with people. I started with Warcraft 3 and for me, Horde was never meant to be the biggest enemy of the Alliance, but just faction of orcs and their allies, whose main goal was to protect its people and Azeroth. And while they were enemies in the past, they evolved past the point where Alliance is defined as force fighting the Horde and Horde is defined as the force fighting against the Alliance. But there are people out there who started in WotLK or Cata and for them, Horde was about fighting the Alliance and Garrosh was basically personification of the true Warchief and his Horde was the true Horde. And even to this day, these people complain on forums how we are "Red-Alliance" and how we are pussies because Horde is not in all-out war with the Alliance even during the biggest Legion invasion.

[@Tempo621]

Zephyrbal It was the weirdest thing, I remember having friends that were asking for just that around early Wrath and by the time MoP was announced their reaction was "lol pandas are gay".

[@charlieartaus4011]

+Zephyrbal: The edge lords still hating on pandarens are some of the cringiest "gamers" you will ever find. "OH yeah i played BC AND vanilla! But pandarens are kung fu panda knock ofs!" I mean, ffs, did ANY of these people even play WC3? Beacause the "immense" bragging rights of "i played X expansion" is kinda blown out the window when you have not even played at least one of the original warcraft RTS games.

[@Zephyrbal]

For the record, I'm not trashing on the Wrath players, Wrath was great, it's just that Wrath blew their entire load when it came to the Frozen Throne content, AND put in DKs, bar far the more appealing class and lore for most players. Then Cataclysm happened, and now you're four years out and they're talking about Pandas and Monks after the biggest shit to date has just gone down and no one was having it by that point. If it had come as the first or second expansion instead of the fourth, I think Pandaria would be very well remembered.

[@filipbatora7523]

***** Well, Pandaria is still well remembered by many, simply because after few months of WoD, people realized how bad expansion really looks like. Really all you need to do for people to be objective is to wait until the next expansion comes.

[@modernkennnern]

I don't think I have ever missed a game more than I miss Mists of Pandaria. The class design was effectively flawless across most classes, especially Warlocks. (Destro, Affli mostly)

[@TheAssirra]

Is that why they made so many changes to classes that people outright stopped playing?

[@Interrobang212]

RiP Mists Frost Mage PvE. Perfect cascade of instant casts and extending your buffs with alter time. The rotation felt buttery smooth. We went from a fast paced fluid class to a slow, chunky priority system where nothing really lined up properly. No, I haven't played the spec in legion. Maybe it's a bit different now? "What's that? You like channeling water jet to get Fingers? Slower cast time on frostbolt? What do you mean you don't like it?" - Blizz

[@Exten13]

or you could just..you know..stand near the tank, do some dps and still heal the grp. its your own choice if you like to stand in the background and just heal or be at the front

[@chrism4841]

KJC + Destro =

[@Xgamerwoo]

lol everyone was op but it was fun

[@JPrescottQ]

I was surprised at first that Monk was getting a legacy video so quickly considering its only been around 2 full expansions, but I totally get where you are coming from Preach. In terms of gameplay, Monk is one of the best classes and it is criminal that they don't get the love they deserve from the community. Making a martial arts oriented class is very viable. FFXIV has a Monk class and it is pretty cool with decent player representation. I think Blizz just needs to add some cool visuals to entice people.

[@ABonafideSkeleton]

I think the most ironic thing about the poor reception of the Monk and Pandaren was that the community had been asking for Pandaren for *years*, ever since Chen Stormstout first appeared in WC3. Everyone knew that we were going to Pandaria at some point and yet there was still so much drama and tears over MoP because "UUUUUUH BLIZZARD ARE TRYING TO APPEAL TO CHILDREN" and "UUUUUUUH SO UNORIGINAL STOP COPYING KUNG FU PANDA BLIZZARD" when it was something they have been asking for and speculating about since Vanilla.

[@naejimba]

This is an excellent point. Back in the day people were crying over wanting to play them and then shit all over the idea when they get them.

[@Dos_Caffeine]

It wasn't even a child's play expansion as it touched more on the war between the horde and the alliance at a boiling point for the new continent. It touched up on some rather grim themes such as war crimes, tyranny, betrayal, lust for power.

[@stevensmileyprod]

Man, Mists of pandaria was fucking awesome. I NEVER saw it as a joke or as blizz trying to appeal to kids. It was an amazing expansion. It's really sad that no matter what people will hate blizzard and get mad at them for anything without even giving it a fair shake or benefit of the doubt.

[@shii5795]

I actually never heard or saw a single person requesting Pandaren. Chen was a joke/easter egg. Nothing to be taken seriously. The fact they made an entire expansion/class/race out of it is kinda... Fuckin stupid.

[@ominai1877]

@@shii5795 You do know that Chen helped Rexar and Rokhan establish Durotar and that he also fought against Admiral Proudmore ,Jaina's father? He had a significant role in Warcraft.

[@Fyrlink]

I'm in the apparent minority here, but MoP and monks were fantastic. You had an extremely high skill ceiling, easy gearing with reforges between brewmaster and windwalker, great aoe damage, great single target damage, loads of mobility including a warp between two locations, smooth as silk rotations, a unique class centre like dks had, a disarm and interrupt with a low as hell cd, the class was even the first to have combo points shared across all targets for fucks sake, and still it never felt like you were just spamming buttons. But it's easy to see why the vast majority of players didn't like the class; It's the same reason so many people play paladin and demon hunter. People want laid back rotations that do way more damage than they should do. I played paladin back in cata (that good shit) and it was great, but the transition to windwalker made me feel like I was spinning plates. As for MoP, you had the composer of skyrim's ost working on music, interesting and unique locations and quests, a rich story interwoven between horde and alliance tension, fantastic raids and bosses in terms of design and mechanics, great class playability across the board, for the most part, and everything felt unique and fresh. But, of course, the vast majority of players see MoP at the same face value they see kung fu panda, because if it isn't the same homogenized, dark fantasy that is still very cartoonish all the same in every way, they just can't see any shred of value in it whatsoever. Good thing blizzard listened to all their advice for the next expansion. WoD was fucking amazing!! /sarcasm

[@ArcadiaSilver]

The problem with MoP is that Blizzard tried to do nuance. Unfortunately, most of Blizz's player base only wants grimdark, chest thumping, simplistic "it's called WARcraft!!!!" stories.

[@pwnedsocks]

StudioghoulASMR I also agree that mop was amazing but you are forgetting the daily grind. Honestly grinding that level of dailies to be competitive left a very sour taste in most people's mouths putting them off the expansion.

[@Telarius]

StudioghoulASMR Problem is, in pvp ret was fine. In pve nearly all dps are mind numblingy easy. Pvp wise a good ret had to do his rotation while offhealing properly and using 7-8 utility spells on his other two teammates accordingly. the amount of keybinds was absurd.

[@KDG702]

Noroboros people asked for that grind, and they got rid of it's necessity relatively early on in the expansion. Try again

[@Snipesmcfinigan]

agreed, mop windwalker took work and it paid off, even against rogues, you could solo them, the only other class i could do that with is an arms warrior( broken as fuck). was extremely fun at that.

[@powerovercorrupt]

I think it's really more of a case of class fantasy than anything. It doesn't help that most of the monk's spells are tied to Pandaria but even if you strip that down you get a DnD 3.0 monk which themselves were quite underplayed. When people try out a fantasy game (specially of the western variety) they tend to gravitate towards knights and wizards. Monks are too unconventional for most people.

[@beenbeen130]

90% of the time when Blizzard listened to the community it ruined the game... God MoP MW was the most fun I ever had playing a healer, but NOPE they kept butchering it

[@DarthMorhan]

I wanted to main MW in Legion in hopes they would make fistweaving viable or atleast in 50% of encounters or so. Needless to say I didn't roll one when they removed fistweaving...

[@brandonc8892]

DarthMorhan Fuck fistweaving. Healers are just that. Not dps

[@Exten13]

there is still some kind of fistweaving, which is not that bad for myth + for some extra dps and some mana

[@DarthMorhan]

Yeah but why would I roll a FW so I can regen mana by dpsing while I can be a shaman and not oom :d Only reason I'd go FW is to heal with it

[@Snipesmcfinigan]

ww was my fave dps, and arms was good to me so thats alot it take to make me switch

[@Oli_Thompson]

Been a monk main since MoP launched. I was so hyped to be able to be a leather wearing tank which used a staff (and didn't have to turn into an animal to do so...I like seeing my gear) and I love martial arts. Never considered really playing a Pandaren, being a drunken Dwarf was good enough for me :) I think you're so spot on about the perception of the class being so closely tied to the jokey Pandaren race. Been Brewmaster Spec mainly throughout WoD and Legion and I really wish people would give it a go. Honestly a really fun class with interesting mechanics, on all three specs, and you DON'T have to be a Panda! Almost every other race can be a Monk, give it a go! :D

[@Exten13]

i bet monks would be more popular if they were a slutmogged female bloodelf on the cover

[@Oli_Thompson]

Haha possibly quite true :P

[@Blitzkrieg1012]

This is amazing

[@rickandrygel913]

Wait... there's a transmog forum?!?!

[@blyjd91]

Yeah? Why shouldn't there be? :)

[@Warcheiftan]

that was answered in the video, asking it in the comment section begs other questions....don't be a dip shit.

[@doubleTThyme]

Transmog forum? That must be where Ghosty spends all of his spare time.

[@ii2gjdp20sjdj2]

My second-favorite class or maybe even tied for first place with my main class. I really like the Monk's playstyle, abilities and especially the fantasy around it. Love it! So few people playing it makes it even better to me. So keep calm and Roll on!

[@nickdavis4751]

I loved mists, it was my favorite expansion by far and ToT is my favorite raid ever. I played a mistweaver from day one and fucking loved every minute of it. Visuals, MUSIC, dailies.....HEROIC SCENARIOS....come back MoP.....please

[@TheSkyrimmaniac]

As a new player to WoW (joined at the end of WoD), I am so happy that I chose monk as my main. There is something special about being a monk, and the pride that comes with it.

[@TwoBaze]

Isak Svensson same here!

[@netkyou6742]

A new player OMG

[@General12th]

Are you still having fun? Please tell me you're not having fun. Otherwise my endless Legion-hate will sound stale.

[@RaZhOdKaaaa]

Every monk should feel proud of playing a monk.

[@DarthMorhan]

Monks are people of discipline and determination. We don't need plebs to join our master class :p

[@HexedFenne]

Agreed. We monks are the gods of dps. even if we're shit.

[@mbarko606]

seems like every monk player is a hipster that is desperately trying to avoid being flavour of the month

[@HexedFenne]

Barke you're not wrong tbh. I genuinely like monk tho. I play warrior on the side.

[@mbarko606]

same, feels engaging playing one and I like the fantasy of it, I just think the overall community aspects + thoughts on a monk let it down

[@LetsPlayKenny]

What? Monks aren't even a class in wow? Everything after Penises of Pandaria is bullshit.

[@maanvlam]

preach! i freaking loved it! You can really notice the effort gone into this, it was awesome! i'm even picking up some stuff on how to study , the way you formulate things. some serious HYPE going on here! story, cinematics, entertainment, infotainment. the vid has it all. 10/10 edit: preach= the whole crew!

[@claytommn006]

This is an amazing legacy vid. now just to wait till legacy of the Druid (Boomkin for lyfe)

[@frankhowie2877]

Great vid preach! worth the wait, production value seems to just increase on these videos over time. Well done to all involved!

[@LamentaFortuna]

I agree with a lot of the things said here, but I also think that the pedigree of classes like the Demon Hunter and Death Knight has something to do with it as well. Even people who barely pay attention to the lore know the stories behind characters like Arthas and Illidan. Despite the fact that MoP has some incredibly dark themes, it's hard to capture that same feeling of 'bad-ass' when you compare the monk intro experience. Basically unless you're a panda, there isn't one and the panda starting zone is tied with goblin for the worst in the game for me. The Death Knight and Demon Hunter intro experiences you actually fight on behalf of the person who is the inspiration for your class. They introduced the class to a lukewarm reception, but they could have created some attachment if they had engineered a class intro that helped us feel like this class was going to be great.

[@BangladeshMandalore]

I would never imagine to see The Monk Legacy so early. Thank you very much! This class and MoP cinematic made me go to the official servers for the frist time, and Im raiding as monk for all these years. P.S. Sick stunt, Ghost!

[@johnatters]

mate, people are gonna be as excited about a monk legacy video as they are about playing the monk itself.

[@Hyzen0_0]

John Attwood so... really excited then? :-)

[@codypettigrew9972]

Fedarik Clearly not when this video has 1/5th the views the other legacy videos do.

[@cgil98]

I still cry myself to sleep over Guard. Awesome legacy!

[@lordgrin4917]

MONKS!!!! Best class in the world!!!!! Awesome to see a Legacy on them. :)

[@ChumblesMumbles]

And we notice how the Demon Hunter got to boost up to current level right at the beginning of its run. Looks like they learned from making Monks start out at 1 - that was a huge hole to have to climb out of, and telling me I had to level through those Cataclysm zones again wasn't exactly tickling my fancy either.

[@Exten13]

it was a good decision for new players tho. buying the game..new zones, new class and still be able to see the rest of azeroth

[@max7971]

That means that leveling as a whole was not in a good spot, monk as a class had nothing to do with it.

[@SnapJ0kern]

FUCK YES! after a fucking exam this is what you wanna come home to and watch :D a new legacy!

[@briarblack7437]

I don't even play World of Warcraft but these mini documentaries are quite fascinating. I especially loved the Warlock one. I know it must be a titanic workload to organize a script and put together footage for these things but I really do hope you keep doing them.

[@MrPwnasaur]

Why is there just a black screen with preach talking from 13:10 - 13:50 ?

[@fila365]

yes

[@literallypuni4091]

The fact that the black screen version is still up after all this time proves Preach does NOT read comments.

[@Jaridavin]

Or maybe he doesn't want to have to reupload the video for one small error that only had effect visually. I doubt anything super important was there for us to see.

[@literallypuni4091]

Outside of porn, being an amateur isn't something to be proud of. But if he DOESN'T CARE about the videos he makes... well...

[@General12th]

It was an editing mistake. But since fixing it would require a complete reupload and spark confusion, I understand why Preach hasn't fixed it.

[@Cinnamon1080]

I will never understand the Pandaren hate. It's always seemed so pathetic to me.

[@gOBSTONE]

I get the start of the pandaren hate. Sort of. There is this bullshit conceit that the Warcraft series is serious in tone, which is fucking nuts. Maybe it was to start with, I don't know, but Warcraft III nipped that in the bud pretty quick, so any argument that Pandas are "too silly" will always piss me off. But I get that Pandas meant a new direction without wrapping up some previous story mysteries, and I get that ascending an Easter egg to actual cannon. I also get that Kung fu panda was fairly recent and backlash from blizzard obviously capitalizing on that could piss people off. And the Asian thing. I can see people not wanting this asian inspired themes in the game. Change is scary after all. Now though? Pandaria has the most interesting backstories of any area, Pandarans are as fleshed out, if not more so, then any of the other playable races, and the story was a complete, and very very good. It made perfect use of the asian inspired culture, it had multiple interesting villains and heroes, and it just made sense. Pandaran hate now is honestly stupid.

[@KosmataBradva]

Pandaren were suppose to be the same thing as tuskarr, one interesting faction in one of the zones. But an entire expansion around them is pushing it too far.

[@Mazzmaker69]

The problem was that Blizz built an entire X-pac around them. Mist lore wise was some of the most boring and dull content I have ever played in WoW and the only thing that kept me interested was the Horde/Alliance war. I'm pretty sure that if pandas had a smaller part in the X-pac, people wouldn't have shat on it that badly.

[@JC-uq5is]

almost as pathetic as the pandaren race

[@origionalnamehereok]

i found the horde/ally war the least interesting thing about mists personally. and honestly MoP haters are the minority. It just seems like there's more because they tend to talk in echo chambers

[@Weslicus]

Nearly 3 years and still no new legacy vid

[@Kipofifthsense]

I absolute love the amount of work you guys put into making these videos! I played a Monk at the end of MoP and had ALo OT of fun with it on the Isle of Thuner and the Timeless Isle, but if you look at some of the other hybrids in Legion - Druid, Paladin - they just do everything better than Monks seem to do. I think it's a decent bet that Monk is one of the next classes to get a major rework!

[@TheClocktowerCrew]

when will there be a Legacy video for Druids!?!

[@TheQiuetOne]

Great vid. I remember Mistweaver in pvp in MoP was broken as shit. They had an absurd passive Called De-materialize" which gave them a 3 second deterrence effect every time they were stunned. They had instant healing spheres that could out heal most dps classes. Honestly I had blast pvping on MW back then. They had mana Tea which let them recover mana by spending chi. The original SEF could let a cheeky WW stay on the boss and just send a clone to kill an add that was supposed to be switched to. Of course, the thing I miss most of all...the old ToD. Not the touch and then 7 seconds later it does it's damage BS of today. I used to have an addon that would play MK's "Fatality" on every successful ToD kill. Good times..

[@VentrueMinis]

The face palm joke had me laughing too hard m8. Great bants, love the video.

[@LessThanAverageGaming]

I love how much effort you and Ghosty put into these videos, the increase is quality is fantastic. Keep up the good work boys! Btw, quality legacy!

[@Rekn0s]

Please do legacy of the shaman

[@--Dan-]

Huge props to whoever put together this monk cinematic intro. One of the best I've seen, straight up made me want to go play my monk. Great job.

[@renebaan7430]

Preach you have officially inspired me to play as a drunk

[@Hackeras13]

I came back to WoW from WotLK. Leveling my hunter I stumbled upon a MW monk in some dungeon. I found their green visuals very pretty and soothing. AFK Healingwith the Jade Serpent Statue was great, because I was so tired of having to spam buttons all the time to squeeze the DPS out of my character. Now in raids I can't have even a single moment of taking a finger off my keyboard, BUT: KJ Heroic I really understood what makes the Monk a unique healer. Running around, rolling, soaking, looking for max targets for Essence Font, sticking with the melees to maximise Refreshing Jade Wind and dealing damage to get my mana back. HELL YEAH DUDE! Getting my Curve achievement was one of the best experiences I've had in the game EVER. I just can't imagine myself being that poor shadow priest in the backline, trying to find a place to cast my spells in peace. Plus, I get to summon a dragon to heal everyone for me. How cool is that?

[@Northreyar7314]

I probably would've mained a Mistweaver in Legion if Blizzard had not decided to make them a full on caster healer, instead of further developing fistweaving which was arguably the coolest part about the Mistweaver in WoD. Being able to throw hots, then move in to kick and punch the shit out of a boss, creating off healing and recovering mana to then chi torpedo into the raid and doing revivals and rushing jade winds for massive AoE healing was an amazing feel

[@Exten13]

you still can do that

[@RaZhOdKaaaa]

Northreyar Wot? There is a talent build that allows you to do that and it's pretty damn fun and quite good.

[@Northreyar7314]

Is there? that's cool, sadly its a bit too late to change mains (at least until I can get some lvl 30 something artifact research compendiums) and I disconnected from the monk scene, since my monk was an alt anyway, so after preach's initial videos on it, despite the high praise, seeing the mistweaver become a caster healer was an immediate turnoff

[@Caaethil]

You had me when you started playing Way of the Monk. My favourite track in the game. Amazing.

[@MrStreager]

This was a cool and fun video to watch. But why Monks before Shamans, Hunters, Death knights and priests

[@Generalek333]

MrStreager Because nobody plays monk and Preacher wants to change that.

[@Strrroke]

Generałek I see monks everywhere. I think now rogues and warlocks are more scarce

[@Generalek333]

Nah. Rogues are everywhere. You know... just stealthed :P. I hate Rogues ;-;.

[@cruelcumber5317]

+Геннадий Харитонов I see the occasional MW, but aside from that I don't see many monks. There were only a couple of times I saw a WW and the only BM I've seen in awhile is the one I'm leveling.

[@aelvirn]

+Геннадий Харитонов look at any site that shows the statistics of how many characters of a particular class exist. Monk is always lowest or second lowest.

[@LukesGamerRoom]

I really enjoy it when you leave us guessing like this. Well good vid mate

[@zilvis1140]

MoP best expansion ever created. Btw didint get bored in MoP that now i get bored in Legion.... MoP had a lot of content to afford and amazing dalies and world pvp isle action :) ohh scenarious old good days :)

[@ceruleandusk]

Agreed. I miss MoP destro locks/BM hunters/arms warrior so much...

[@zilvis1140]

Luciano ye i i remember then i could one shot people in bgs with my enh shammy and mm hunter. Enh sucks now in legion they removed shocks now i play enh i feel i am playing with potato with small dick

[@MasterUvPuppets]

Sarcasm?

[@buhlayke]

MoP was best all around yeah.

[@BiIboSwaggins]

You can't be serious, MoP wasnt bad don't get me wrong, but the best? Have you played Wrath? have you played Legion?

[@tremonray2483]

You definitely nailed it spot on, just about everything I've been saying to people over the past years when I did main a Monk - got tiring to see people say "it's relatively new, that's why it's underplayed" meanwhile DK's were still one of the most played classes when MoP launched. Blizz themselves admitted to being too conservative with Monks when they launched, they feared the idea of repeating DK's. Personally I absolutely loved MoP and it's version of Monk, WoD was a huge let down from it and their ever-so-late changes, or lack thereof, definitely did not help. To be completely honest, I'm not a big fan of Legion Monk, I feel as though they could've done a whole lot more/better as far as gameplay, talents and Artifact (mostly WW) goes. Once again I looked as a doomsayer when I pointed out that regardless of how much easier the class was becoming, the new animations amd talents for the other classes were going to top that - hell there's even a bunch of stuff that mirrors Monk abilities but are better (free Pistol Shot vs free Blackout Kick, Vigor vs Ascension, Healing Elixir vs Crimson Vial, Fel Rush and Roll, Combustion copying Serenity, etc). Also the problem with the lack of raid utility... Rambling aside, I still think Monk has a chance to be greater but only if Blizz puts in more effort than they have (like not waiting a year to fix SEF). Really is a worthwhile class and my absolute favorite class, it's just not for anymore it seems. Also, RIP Guard - you will be remembered as THE ability and not the PvP joke you've become. And Dizzying Haze v.v

[@luigigrazioli92]

i main a monk and when i'm done playing i always have a big smile on my stupid face

[@silusjackson7244]

LG YT they do say it's a class for those with special needs.

[@apdroidgeek1737]

Monk class are genrally hard class to play what makes people think its for people with special need, id say its mage.

[@Nimicry]

Really enjoyed the video Preach. Curious as to the numerous seconds of blackscreen right before the windwalker overview Still my favorite legacy video yet

[@KevinPGrant]

I love my monk, and people don't realize Chen Stormstout existed before kungfu panda did didn't he, wc3 came out in 2002, kfpanda came out in 2008 so if anything kfpanda ripped off chen stormstout. but pandaria came out in 2012 so people were of course comparing it heavily to the dumb kids movie as they saw it. But before all of that ..apparently people wanted pandas, originally it was introduced as a april fools joke, apparently people loved it so it was put into wc3 by popular demand. With kfpanda 2 having come out the year before mop though, a stigma rose and people couldn't help but hate on it. So there ya go to anyone who didn't know. (I will say my monk isn't a panda though, I'm just explaining why the panda hate was misplaced, I mean if you hate pandas regardless you do you, but still the kungfu panda comparison was technically not in the right. lol)

[@cola144]

I love monk. It is probably one of my favorite classes aesthetic wise and it has always had some of the best gameplay. I have always levelled a monk to max level during every expansion since their inception. During MoP it was my main, during WoD and Legion they have been the second class I maxxed (I like to try a new class every expansion as my main) and I always enjoy all three specs so much. Plus their gameplay has always been fastpaced and interesting for all three specs! I love monk, especially when they are pandaren!

[@thorbeorn4295]

MoP = best expansion Monk = most fun class Period.

[@wallabror]

I vomited in my mouth a little bit.

[@ABonafideSkeleton]

Best art direction, best music, near flawless class design, challenge dungeons, good raids etc... Yeah it ruined more old world dungeons, but it was a damn sight better than Cataclysm.

[@thorbeorn4295]

wallabror just cause you emo edge Lords have an unending love for dark type characters and death and destruction expansions. Mop was needed and a dammed nice break from all the emo stuff. next class btw will be Tinker and I'm happy as fuck with that. but y'all emo edge Lords prolly want a necromancer because we really don't have enough of death/dark type classes huh ? ........

[@jacobbeard8428]

GranthTheGreen "best art direction" you make me want vomit.

[@thorbeorn4295]

Pandas and monks, though referred to Brewmasters were in the warcraft universe before that shitty panda movie (whatever it's called) came out. I'm no fan of the Pandaren race but what about everything else MoP had to offer? Just totally dismiss everything because you don't like the new race? Topkek.

[@BiIboSwaggins]

Well done Mike, when you said you'd be taking people from Preach con to film the legacy I thought it'd be about the DK, army of the dead you know. But well done mate! it was a surprise of me and for many others ^^

[@DustyTheKitty]

If they made Panda DK's I'd fucking main one in a heartbeat. Come at me.

[@Exten13]

still waiting for some panda druids..panda bearform

[@Mazzmaker69]

They won't. Lore people would lose their shit, because lore wise a panda dk is pretty much impossible. Pandas weren't around during any of the death knight periods.

[@DustyTheKitty]

Mazzmaker69 There are a few 'special snowflake' cases like the DK Panda follower from the garrison recruitment you can get, otherwise a Panda DK would be a sort of '4th gen' DK, a corpse raised by the knights of the ebon blade, which is perfectly acceptable, they'd just have to start at a later point then the other DK's, say... level 100 with their own tutorial like when you buy a 100 boost, obviously missing the whole 55-58 DK story line.

[@acphantom6437]

Well do u have a Panda dk now?

[@DustyTheKitty]

@@acphantom6437 Rípley - Draenor EU, thought my hunter is my main for the raid team, taken a break for the last month though, just haven't been enjoying the game recently.

[@dewellsy]

Haha love you bringing the fans in, great work as always preacher!

[@Oondivinezin]

Meanwhile I'm someone that's mained monk since the class was released. Windwalker 4 life.

[@RatchildUK]

Same, WW

[@FruchteisMitErdbeer]

I fell in love with the monk in mop, it was so freaking well done. The mistweaver being so incredibly complex that you could never possibly master it, the windwalker being all over the place doing cool shit. The brewmaster with their pretty epic animations. But I took a break from wow in wod, tried it out in legion, and wtf is this? There's nothing left of the cool, complex class I loved. The mobility stayed I guess, but it's all so hollow.

[@jordon_9333]

Ghosty got me pregnant

[@CuthiePatootie]

They have a lack of flair. There are some cool things, sure, but nothing that makes you feel awesome. Ideas to spruce it up: 1) Wall Running - Give us like 5 sec or something of running up walls or across walls Lucio style. 2) Double Jumping Height - Not a double jump, but more of a higher bound, maybe tied with how long you hold spacebar down. 3) Wall Jump - If not number 2, what about being able to jump from wall to wall ala Mario. 4) Special Stun - Instead of doing legsweep, imagine if you uppercut someone up into the air, then leapt up and kicked them back down. Would count as a stun, just looks awesome.

[@ElriPlays]

Man, that tall guy stood behind the commentators at the start is really handsome, right? right guys? how handsome is that guy? asking for a friend.

[@dancemontec]

Love this video! And love my monk! I was a priest since vanilla, and switched to a monk full time towards the middle of WOD. I wholeheartedly embrace being a monk. And many of the monks I know embrace being the lowest played class. I have a ton of monks on my friends list, because were always talking and helping each other out. I have tried many times to get the phrase "Monks vs everybody" going.

[@naota3k]

Wait, where were Nobbel and the Fatboss boys?

[@Hyzen0_0]

naota3k this was filmed in the morning. The reveal of nobbel and fat boss wasn't till later that night.

[@Cromon3]

HOLY SHIT I DID NOT EXPECT THIS, Ive been a monk since mop and I got goosebumps from that intro gj boys

[@LilianOrchard]

Ultimately Mists of Pandaria suffered the same fate as Wind Waker: Decried as stupid and childish by the insecure douchebags of the world who keep demanding everything have a "mature tone" in the most aggressive and juvenile sense possible, and appreciated more by people after it was over once contrasted against a sequel that tried way too hard to swing in the opposite direction. Anyone who decried Mists of Pandaria as being a "kiddie game" and trying to use that as a criticism needs to remember what game they're actually playing. Maybe two years of Dadgar puns will force them to chill out and stop overcompensating.

[@TenshizakiN008]

Took me some time to get here due to work and other things, but I finally got around to watching this, and...I feel your sadness Preacher. I mained Brewmaster, I was frothing at the mouth to get into the beta for MoP and test and learn it. When I did, I was beyond hyped. I didn't get to contribute much, as most things I found had already been reported, but I fell in love instantly. Played my monk to the end of Siege and...well, other games got in the way and I dropped WoW. Hearing what happened to monk in general in terms of acceptance makes me sad, sure. I'll still love it any way. Thank you for the entertaining and informative video as always.

[@lususnaturae881]

"Most disliked blizzard video" Not anymore lol

[@Ariadra1]

We need Legacy of the Druid! Druids has gone through so much change since the release of WoW. These videos are bringing up so many memories of the past, and you do a perfect job telling the story

[@diggoryx]

Wow, Preach's youtube comments are toxic these days. What a bunch of winey, entitled babies. Endless crying for weeks at the delayed legacy, he brings one out at last then queue crying cause its not the one you wanted. Please go somewhere else.

[@ceruleandusk]

Welcome to -KZbin- 2017

[@sinklar7946]

They only serve to prove his point: Community perception killed the Monk.

[@TehCalliari]

nah

[@MattWeismiller1994]

Aren't you accusing others of what you're doing? Just an idea tho.

[@verocious266]

sick of people whining about people whining, whining such whining whining. whining whine

[@jhbringh]

This! It took me a while to warm up to my Monk alt. But I decided to main it in Legion after your recommendation. I'm honestly glad I did. I haven't enjoyed WoW game play this much since my WoLK Demo Lock. I honestly don't mind being an underplayed and often underestimated class. Its actually appealing in a way to be a novelty. Its the illogical nerfs we get when not even overpowered that frustrate. Preach, this vid is spot on. However, (and I know you have good reason to be reticent to criticize the development team) if Blizzard actually cares about popularizing the Monk as much as you assume in this video, then they need to get out of their own way and give players the time and space to make it shine.

[@shiroko6270]

Legacy! 😁

[@egonza0622]

That monk intro with all the cut scenes and music was on point! A+ job guys

[@tawnos1787]

You can't even imagine my excitement yesterday checking in and seeing a new Legacy video. Good stuff.

[@grapes639]

Monk legacy? It's barely been out 3 years

[@josiahferrell5022]

Grapes actually 4 years, but your point is taken

[@prometheushippopotimi3076]

actually 5 years

[@4567samsung]

actually its nearly 5 years

[@SilentaryXIV]

Awesome vid, Preach. Monks are seriously underrated. I love that class.

[@Duvvers]

Worst thing about classic is no monks

[@Izzack10]

So happy with this legacy video it's spot on, went Monk in MoP and never went back to any other class

[@Ordacleaphobia]

I was a US top 10 WW monk in MoP; here are my thoughts. Preach, m8, I love you dowg, but you keep saying that monk gameplay is sterling and that largely people dislike it because it isn't "cool." While that may be true, something I think you forgot to mention is that the gameplay is *different*. I consistently state that 5.4 windwalker was the absolute pinnacle of DPS class design. That spammy, 'every millisecond matters' mentality, combined with you constantly having to make rotational decisions that are all very important, makes for an extremely engaging time. Follow that up with the fact that MoP era WW was one of the only classes that placed an extreme value in all 3 secondary stats, along with almost any talent build being competitive, and you have a min-maxer's dream. The skill cap was almost nonexistent. In fact, I recall the WoW Devs even commenting on the Simcraft windwalker results, stating that "they weren't worried that WW sims were so much higher than literally everything else, because they don't think there's a single player in the world that can get close to those numbers." When WoD came, the gameplay changed. You lost a lot of the flexibility, and the frantic 'every millisecond matters' chain of forward-thinking dried up a little. I tried to like it, I really did, but I just couldn't. A vast majority of the high end monks that I knew and competed with all hung up their Seismic Bores for this same reason. It got a bit better in Legion, but nowhere close to capturing the magic that was there in 5.4. I do really miss my monk, but until I get that back, and I don't think I ever will; I have no plans to return to it.

[@Brettsauces]

Ordacleaphobia what do you play now?

[@Ordacleaphobia]

I went enhancement shaman for WoD, and now in Legion I just play casually between several classes. The slowdown kind of killed the game for me; I gave up on raiding after Blackrock Foundry because no class felt fun to me anymore. Then there was the whole diablo loot nonsense but that's outside the scope of this video.

[@Brettsauces]

Ordacleaphobia I'm loving legion right now as a fury warrior. Having a non-resource gated rotation, and really good short and long cds is really engaging. If you haven't tried it, play a fury warrior; it's fun that you can change your rotation and adapt to each scenario. Also, I can't imagine legion being fun unless you raid or do high mythic+ since they're the only difficult content you can do right now, so I recommend that.

[@Sadows12]

I agree with all of your comment. I loved WW during 5.4 and how face paced it was, I loved those stupid instant cast healing orbs you could put down. I remember having some really strong pulls on H Thok and blowing guildies out of the water a few months before the Mythic change. Those were the fuckin' WW days man. I also stopped raiding during BRF for basically the same reason. I'm not sure what it is, but I just can't enjoy WoW anymore so I unsubbed a few months ago.

[@roflroflrofl101]

honestly 5.4 frost DK and WW monk were my two most played and it was heartbreaking in WOD to see my gameplay slowdonw and lose complexity

[@zegetable]

Wouldn't say it was my favorite legacy, but I did like it and I really enjoyed the preachCon filiming

[@hurpdurp916]

"The monk just isn't cool" This sums up the problem with the class imo. I play DPS pretty exclusively, and Windwalker, despite having an interesting rotation and being a very effective damage dealer, is far less appealing than pretty much every other melee in the "badass" department. I don't find it visually satisfying, the lack of actual weapons really bothers me, there are no awesome cooldown. Warrior has bladestorm. Bladestorm is cool. Monk has... Touch of death? I Guess? Doesn't matter that ToD is a way better skill in a single target raid fight. It's bland by comparison. As a melee dps I just wanna feel like i'm fucking shit up. Monk totally lacks that feeling. I am currently maining a DH. Why? Because it's a fucking spectacle. Sure, sometimes you're just slamming that Chaos Strike. But when using the full rotation with the dashing and the blade dance and the fucking fel barrage it's just like GOD DAMN THIS IS BEAUTIFUL. I think that's what the average player wants from a game like this, and Monk never delivered anything like that.

[@Exten13]

so..just the lack of spell particles? some flashy animations would be nice. like the mistweaver

[@justahuman3333]

Hurp Durp well I like to think about it as while everyone else has to use weapons and shit I get to Bruce lee kick mother fucking dragons on the face

[@AnArchyRulzz]

To each their own, but I love it. The animations for monks attacks are epic as hell man.

[@distance5000]

Wait until you try enhancement shaman. It's just so generic and uninteresting compared to the pre-Legion (especially in Cata and MoP) enhancement shaman. Now enhancement shamans feel like a combat rogue with no stealth, shit dps and a more idiotic rotation. The old priority-based rotation was so interesting and rewarding that you felt powerful regardless of your actual dps, pretty much like an MoP ice mage but with much more fun utilities.

[@mirrormagic6584]

Yay Monks! Loved them ever since rolling one in WoD, and continue to, especially Windwalker. I absolutely love the combo idea; it really made me think long and hard about my rotation.

[@Arthas144]

Thank you for opening my eyes. I hated WoW every minute during MoP, during the last days of Cata I couldnt wait Mop to come and go as fast as possible. And now when I think back about it....I still hate Mop.

[@JustAChinesePleb]

Arthas144 Why, though? It was amazing lore-wise, those graphics and the classes were fun and balanced.

[@therabbits69]

So you hate one of the best visual expansions in the game with some of the best story lines to come out? Why? are you so small in your actual thought process. herp derp..its not demons or large guys with axes..i automatically hate it...herp derp.

[@JustAChinesePleb]

Arthas144 I just hope you're trolling right now and if not, well I feel sorry for you and your family. You sound like those 15 year old Tumblr girls that will burn you at a stake if you don't agree with their opinion.

[@Arthas144]

With who's opinion did I disagree?

[@JustAChinesePleb]

Arthas144 Mate, look at the comments above. We argue the whole time about MoP - we clash if it was good or bad expansion...

[@darkstrike055]

I had quit wow at the end of Cata playing a shaman and decided to return to the game with Legion as it looked very promising. I watched all of your beta videos to get a sense of what I wanted to play, I ended up going with an Enhancement shaman because it was fun, familiar and I was jumping straight back into a raiding guild. Monk was a very close second and has become my primary ult, as soon as raid is over i'm playing the monk. Each spec is fun and engaging to play and I love it :)

[@Ragman49]

For me I just couldn't stand the oriental theme of the Monk and I know others also hate it. They should have made them like the diablo 3 monk with holy magic. I remember seeing the monks in scarlet monastery and thinking that they were pretty badass and I think a scarlet crusade themed monk would have been cooler..

[@hermeticascetic]

Ragman49 look at Warcraft 3. then come back

[@Dos_Caffeine]

^ Chen Stormstout helped in the foundation of Orgrimmar and even aided the attack against Dailen Proudmore

[@phelanii4444]

amazing work, as always guys! When you mentioned you were getting panda costumes, around a year ago on a web show, I knew this was coming, but i couldn't have guessed it'd be so epic! loved the credits too (lol vanish pre-beer :D )

[@Nomihc]

I’ve been patiently waiting for the legacy of the Shaman video since the legacy of the rogue video back in 2013. Come on preach!

[@travisrezamand908]

Best legacy you have made yet, cant wait for the next one, in the meanwhile im going to go dust off my old Monk and get him up to scratch!

[@Beeza666]

I actually loled out loud when Andy was like "don't tell me whats fokken VIABLE MATE" loved it

[@ujembi155]

I don't play WoW anymore, but I really enjoyed monks since they first came out. Wind Walker was by far my favorite, so much so I barely ever touched the other two specs. They had a really interesting and fluid rotation that had quite a bit of nuance to it; which was really refreshing since it didn't feel like you were just spamming buttons. The mobility was amazing (although I'm willing to bet roll is still shit to this day) they had a ranged disarm (lol hunters) and when they first came out Fists of Fury was insanely overpowered in PVP if you knew how to use it properly. I loved being able to rush in with touch of karma and watch as the enemy dps killed their own healer. I also enjoyed the bit of finesse it required to play... sort of reminded me of when the game was a bit more difficult to master.

[@spooks551]

Been kicking ass with my monk with that intro on loop for the past half hour. Too damn good.

[@TacTiCsNatshep]

Being part of the live audience of this was so much fun!

[@jaguffey]

Couldn't agree more, Preach. Monks are a lot of fun, and their high mobility gives them another dimension that other classes just don't have (maybe DH) which is having to gauge risk/reward with your positioning. Whether you are ranged, healing or tanking, the reward mode up to monks has been, stand still. God, I hate standing still. Why stand still and click cool-downs? Why even play if that's all you're doing?

[@Wintermist-SWE]

Playing a Monk now and it quickly, quickly turned into my absolute favourite. It just fits me.

[@danielkirkerud5519]

As my guild disbanded right before reaching Blackhand mythic I can't speak for BrM in HFC in WoD. However it was a fun experience having everyone moaning about Guard when in reality it was stagger that made BrM completely broken in the first part of WoD. While I won't disagree that 1+ mill guards are pretty insane, it wasn't guard that allowed me completely ignore tactics in Mythic BF, that honor is reserved for stagger. Comming from one that has mained a monk since it's launch, thank you Preach for releasing this video and trying to raise people's awareness of the awesomeness of the monk.

[@meganbell3699]

That Taran Zhu fight scene with Garrosh is what made me want to play a Monk when I came back to WoW. To this day I haven't regretted it.

[@Senseilimb]

As someone who is a dedicated monk player since 5.0, I thank you for making one of these on my class!

[@travmadison2000]

Re-watching this years later and hearing Ghosty's voice pop up made me laugh and smile

[@LordBufu]

Never been a fan of the panda and they seem somewhat rare still, the monk i like, never really played it to any level cap but really enjoyed playing it when i was bored from time to time. Good video man love it, another good addition to the series ;)

[@withCharles]

Glad to see a legacy of the monk. I had always thought the monk was underplayed because it wasn't a good spec(mind you I came in at the end of mop, took a break for college then returned mid wod) For me the monk didn't make itself seem cool enough and I saw that it wasn't liked too much so I figured it wasn't a good class, I never even thought it was because it was tied to the pandas(but I like them so...). I found out recently I was wrong, as I've started leveling a monk alt in hope of making it a new main(luckily my hunter just capped artifact knowledge, but my monk still has a ways to go) and joining a raiding guild and pushing myself there(btw I'm on an rp server) frankly the monk turned me off at first for legion after reading some class notes but seeing others play it and my leveling experience have turned it on. But even at low levels while slowly leveling him(I took a break to level another alt) all three specs have proven to be uber fun for me, gimmicky at times, but fun nonetheless. I personally think the pandas are a meh race lore wise but still cool enough to be welcomed in, people that liken them to jack black must not know they were established before Kung Fu panda, sure the cartoony animations of the monk, especially on a panda, are a little silly at times, but they fill one of the best rpg roles I've always loved. And the monk having the ability to Tank, Heal, and Deeps just makes them open for everyone, sure pallies and druids do it too, but it gives more freedom of choice. I find all the specs fun at low level and frankly seeing what little I have of high level content with monks in it, they look fun, if the dps is middle line that doesn't matter to me as long as I wouldn't get kicked because my spec got shafted on dps(rip hunters). And I like sometimes difficult tanking, I like a tank that could do both active and reactive though. But overall looking at the class(and what little i've personally experience with it, and have seen from others) I may have found my class for life, which is odd because when I "played" wow during BC I loved Druids and Warlocks(kid me liked being a bear and cat and loved the summoner class, still do actually), so I tried maining a druid for legion at launch and got turned off fast, guardian was fun but I didn't want to tank at that time and the other specs all felt meh to me so I rolled pure dps and hunters aren't looking so good and in case they stay that way all expac long I want something a little more viable, so time to get the monk rolling(pun intended). Either way, love yah preach, bro fist, and keep up the good vids and bants.

[@Anidem9]

I hope you'll make more of these videos in the future. I feel that looking back at the old times of WoW is all we have left these days.