Predestination and election.

[@PreacherCodyReel]

@TheRomans9Guy If salvation is of grace, according to the good pleasure of God (of His own Will), then if anyone isn't saved, it was not God's good pleasure to save them. God is foolish to the natural man. The sinner does not choose God until God sovereignly calls the sinner. I'm not going to be unhappy if I'm wrong and universalism is correct.

[@TheRomans9Guy]

4:41 Ah! Here’s your disconnect. Romans 9 does NOT say that God does mdd as me vessels of wrath! Paul asks the unbelieving Jews WHAT IF God did that, that’s what they believed, and they were very wrong. Paul is sarcastically asking them ‘what if God did that?’ Because his point is that if God really did do that, THEY would be the vessels of wrath! And they thought they were special to God.

[@PreacherCodyReel]

@@TheRomans9Guy Romans 9:18

[@TheRomans9Guy]

3:32 Why are you saying God holds you accountable for things you can’t change? No he doesn’t. You can change. What are you talking about?

[@PreacherCodyReel]

@@TheRomans9Guy My point is that any change in which God is pleased with must originate from God Himself, and not from within. He's the source of all that is good.

[@TheRomans9Guy]

@@PreacherCodyReel Except, what of God decided to give man the ability to have good or evil come from himself? That granting of ability comes from God so ultimately get at he glory, but what if God gave man the ability and responsibility to choose, all on his own, without God decreeing his choices?

[@TheRomans9Guy]

You very badly misunderstand the scriptures. That grudge you thought you were holding against God was really your conscience screaming at you for believing an awful misunderstanding of scripture. You should have kept your grudge!!

[@PreacherCodyReel]

@@TheRomans9Guy He hardened Pharoah's heart so that His Name might be declared throughout all the earth. This is what Romans 9 says as well.

[@TheRomans9Guy]

Man. The more I listen to you the more it’s clear you’re just reading Romans 9 SO bad and that’s the root of your whole problem. Sorry brother.

[@PreacherCodyReel]

@@TheRomans9Guy Enlighten me.