3:50 The Sage at the end of the game is the original Sage Cyberspace can store the souls of those connected to it, and we know that Sage was *directly* integrated with cyberspace When she gains a soul later in the game, cyberspace stores that, and Eggman then accessed that as we can also see that he’s still on the Starfall Islands at the end of the game because of the ruins around him. The symbol that appears when sage is resurrected is also the same as the one that appears when the souls of the ancients leave the koco and ascend after they find peace, who also have their souls stored by the cyberspace. And the fact that she says “father?” shows that this is the same sage from the end of the game, since she didn’t directly call him father until very later on
@thatdoofus4529 Жыл бұрын
How did he make such a fantastic video full of rock-solid theories but miss that key detail XD
@relaxedhoodie73092 жыл бұрын
When you said Sonic Adventure 3 and you connecting all the dots. You almost made a 23 year old man cry tears of excitement.
@ShanyaTC Жыл бұрын
you said almost.. but not almost for me
@BigBoss-99a Жыл бұрын
I'm 37
@Overdrive000 Жыл бұрын
I’m 45
@Overdrive000 Жыл бұрын
@@BigBoss-99ayea 45
@EthanMallonee2 жыл бұрын
Bro, I had the thought of SA3 in space as Frontier's sequel a few days ago and now that I found this I am even more convinced! Great video, may the algorithm be with you.
@BWHERE2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@elviaa420002 жыл бұрын
@@BWHERE yeah I actually have a little theory on why the end boss was so disappointing because in the new update it shows the new playable character and story. I think you have to beat all the story's in the game to get the true ending similar to the sonic adventure titles
@beagleboi1442 Жыл бұрын
While I get where you are coming from I think it'll be moreso under a different title
@balkanyibalazs24332 жыл бұрын
A great video, with interesting theories and demanding editing, great voice quality, and all that stuff. Your channel is criminally underrated. Keep up the good work!
@realfrogify2 жыл бұрын
Ian Flynn (the writer for frontiers) has said that Sage will probably, maybe, return as a villainous antagonist, in no way shape or form a hero, (he said "Why would you think that?" when his cohost said "I thought Sage was good now" and even subtlety hinted that he would be brought back on for dlc before it was announced, I've been following it closely to report on it but didn't notice until after it was announced and went wait a minute he's dropping hints), bec eggman would be angered by how little sonic cared about sage when she just kinda dies in a big explosion and sonic doesn't really care that eggmans creation gets annihilated that he let help sonic (source: Bumblekast episode: I can't remember off the top of my head but it's one of the more recent ones, like really recent ones in the frontiers spoiler section, probably the last one uploaded or right b4 it at the time of this comment). Colors ultimate is the first game where movie sonic aesthetic is present btw (just not central focus like in frontiers). Also, I don't think sonic adventure 3 is going to be called SA3 if they make it unless they like make remakes of the first two adventure games or rerelease them again and I don't see remakes being feasible within the time between the second and third movie, so at most it's going to be remasters if they actually do make sa3 unless sega gets a bunch of ppl on sonic team or a b team for outsourced development of those titles respectively alongside sa3 on the main team which is possible but I feel it's unlikely considering the colors ultimate disaster.
@skyhart13772 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I didn't think Sage would have become a future hero anyways. One of the key points of her character arc is how she wants to have a family and has found a father-daughter ship with her creator, Dr. Robotnik. And on top of Eggman seeing her as a daughter, neither would leave the other. Now perhaps she may not be as so pointedly antagonistic to Sonic like Eggman is and that she may have a bit more respect for him than her father does (partially learned from Eggman's respect for sonic despite his strong hate for the hedgehog), tho I do expect her to still harass sonic from time to time, partially as that may be a bonding factor for her and her father, but I do expect that she'll stay by Dr. Eggman's side and be an antagonist that way.
@realfrogify2 жыл бұрын
@@skyhart1377 I think if the dlc is actually supposed to be really big. She might be handled how neo metal was handled in idw (at least in the first arc) which would make her one of the most dangerous antagonists in the series aside from eggman (because if what sonic team has been trying to say about canon recently is true, the metal virus saga presumably actually happened at least within the universe of the games but obviously not as one of the games) and obviously the end boss, since sage's one of the only other sentient eggman creations (shadow was made by eggmans grandfather or aliens, kinda confusing, i forgot, not eggman tho).
I could see Sage's existence making eggman infinitely more dangerous, cause now he has a REASON to take over the world. To protect Sage
@Handyplayz178092 жыл бұрын
You should be a sonic voice actor
@theguy85942 жыл бұрын
Bro I had this video playing in the background while doing some work around the house, relatively invested in your points, but the second you mentioned the characters returning to the original appeal of said characters while providing new story directions, all of a sudden, I was like, “Daaang”, instantly hooked for the rest of the video 👍🏽👍🏽
@YaBoiHandman Жыл бұрын
This is such a great video. I'm really curious on your thoughts on the Update 3 DLC
@EnnZedder2 жыл бұрын
I could see them doing SA1 and SA2 remasters leading into this hypothetical SA3. Honestly, not far fetched and I'd be super excited to see this become a reality.
@Cashew14052 жыл бұрын
this was a great video. I actually popped off my chair when you were talking about using chaos control for fast travel, imagine selecting anywhere in an open zone map (That you have unlocked) akin to the markers you can already place and then just go there. fucken brilliant mate!
@ZX_STH2 жыл бұрын
Imagine playing as Tails in combat, using chaos control to pause time, building a Rube Goldburg mechine, doing an emote as time is un-paused and all your enemies get eviscerated.
@AutoSonic4952 жыл бұрын
4:07 you actually really sold me on The End, i wish they did the boss fight better still, but this is just so cool to think that The End was either an ancient universal evil or in your case a symbol of universal darkness
@BWHERE2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Hopefully we get a revamped final boss fight in the DLC
@rando66772 жыл бұрын
This is a very well done video! The explanations makes sense and the theories line up very well
@Electro7772 жыл бұрын
This is an amazing Video! I like how everything is connecting, and LOVE the idea of Sage and Shadow interacting! IF HYPER SONIC COMES BACK, I WILL SCREAM! I knew the end couldn't be defeated that easily, this video made me get EVEN MORE EXCITED FOR THE NEXT GAME!
@BWHERE2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! 😄
@pattik_2 жыл бұрын
you’ve just gained a subscriber this is just incredible
@sirthedave2 жыл бұрын
I pray that I’ll come back to this video in 2025 and say, “This guy is a fucking prophet”.
@AYTM12002 жыл бұрын
I have a feeling we will.
@BWHERE2 жыл бұрын
🙏
@YAAVMS2 жыл бұрын
Hell nah, you made some great points. And perfect theorizing. I low key hope that devs sees this video and uses this as a structure (if they haven’t already had this in mind). I think izuka has a Twitter now and he responds to people so post this on his page!!!
@redspeeder8562 жыл бұрын
I was born too late to see Sonic born, too early to see Sonic die, but just in time to see Sonic redeem himself and TOUCH SONIC ADVENTURE 3 LETS GOOOOO
@AnkaraYT2 жыл бұрын
Being a sonic fans even before I could talk I can’t believe I found a video like this man honestly sonic team should hire you! This are perfect ideas and I’m pretty sure all community would want 2 or 3 of one of these ! new sub
@BWHERE2 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks!
@MrToonsy2 жыл бұрын
Bro you keep making so many valid points to theses theory’s!! They make so much sense! Keep up the great work!
@BWHERE2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Will do!
@allycat5452 жыл бұрын
I have a new found appreciation for the end boss fight. And like you, I gave up hope on an sa3 a long time ago. But deep down, it’s still my biggest childhood dream. I’m starting to feel hopeful about it again! Great video! 😊
@tanook47516 ай бұрын
Never have I seen a more sourced pipe dream That's a compliment this video got me more pumped up than anything ever
@rjsanimationstudio29312 жыл бұрын
You made this sound WAY cooler with the whole moon and sun thing than most people saw it, props to you!!
@BWHERE2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@GamersP-O-V2 жыл бұрын
All that you said makes sense to me. I'm very excited about the next game and I enjoyed watching your video and witness you work it out from start to finish. Thank you.
@JesusFreak982 жыл бұрын
I don't think Sage will return as a hero, I think she will be the new incarnation of The End, the emotional punch of having to fight a friend will be really big, the question is how to do it without the mind control cliche
@BWHERE2 жыл бұрын
Ooh that is very interesting! It would be fun to see Eggman come to sonic for help of his own free will so they can get Sage back.
@_veloxity912 жыл бұрын
so she would betray eggman like metal sonic in sonic heroes, except she's being controlled?
@dusteddustin56432 жыл бұрын
Eh that's actually kind of lame. A cool part of frontiers was sage turned out to actually not be the villain for once. In most other games she'd probably be a one note villain like infinite and such
@Gnidel2 жыл бұрын
I think the pieces of The End might end up being important. It might be a corruptive force that will "help" those those desiring power and destruction. Such people might be numerous, from small criminals through wronged victims to those defining themselves through power they have like Infinite. In the next game we might fight people corrupted with pieces of The End as bosses, until someone will gather enough pieces to become a full incarnation of The End. My pick for that role is Infinite.
@craytherlaygaming28522 жыл бұрын
Simple.... The end is a concept... Kill Eggman... and Sage will choose to end the world out of grief
@Skiazo2 жыл бұрын
Just going to save this vid somewhere and come back to it to see if anything mentioned happens in the DLC or next game
@flyingbasstv2 жыл бұрын
when he said sonic adventure 3 i actually got so hype seriously one of the most underrated videos ive ever seen this is amazing
@Jackthelord Жыл бұрын
When my dad saw what you would say that the next sonic game is advanture 3 he got pretty mad because he wants it to be sonic legends
@SuperSireBoyYT2 жыл бұрын
According to ian flynn, chaos is still a mutated chao, he just like devolved into an ancient, which would explain the lack of a koko
@r0ry_m00re2 жыл бұрын
Another thing on the topic with brand synergy, Shadow has recently been resurrected with his character not being over the top "edgy" in Sonic Prime. And so therefore I think Shadow finally has proper recognition and a very good appeal to an audience that he is prepared to be not only in the upcoming movie, but the game he could possible be featured in. Even if not featured in the games, props to the entire team who worked on Sonic Prime.
@PopularNoise2 жыл бұрын
really loved all your ideas and the whole video. dope af man!!!🔥
@BWHERE2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@turtlestump2 жыл бұрын
I’m confused by the low view count, this video is really really well put together
@DEIKO192 жыл бұрын
I just saw the entire video and the next thing that I did was watch it all over again
@sonicgamer1782 жыл бұрын
This video was fantastic and had me engaged throughout the whole thing, especially those tin foil hat moments. I'm going to go watch your other videos now cause I loved this so much!
@FutureFoxyOfficial2 жыл бұрын
23:55 also makes a lot of sense that that would be why they re-visited old level designs, to look back on amazing and praised level designs to practice for the same quality level designs. Edit: This video as a whole makes sense of why they're taking critisism, because they don't wanna get anything wrong for sa3, so they probably want to read a lot critisism to fix it for sa3 so they don't get anything with the game wrong.
@skyplayzt9732 жыл бұрын
Silver would be a good part do to his future tech and his use of Choas Control and the fact that he could come back do to "The End". The things name is literally THE END and what dose Silver do...Protects his Future This could mean the end for his future so obviously he would comeback to protected it. It would be prefect for Silver... oh and Blaze could tag along to. (There we go Silver part done Lol) I'm like 3 weeks late lol. Oh and Grate Vid for giving me this idea and keep up the good work.
@skyplayzt9732 жыл бұрын
I might be just saying this just because I'm a Silver fan...
@XavielArt Жыл бұрын
I like this concept. Very nice and detailed
@BWHERE Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@joshuadelgado12862 жыл бұрын
It makes more sense of the origins of Chaos than the mutant chao. Also on Amy’s future, it will be the a more personal story like you said finding the right person to help. However not on the scale of Sonic’s macro battles, more as gaining new abilities which carry over into the main Sonic game’s making her a combat role other than her hammer. It would be very useful in Sonic adventure 3.
@lehashura4906 күн бұрын
Somebody probably already corrected you but just in case at 2:17 Chaos IS a mutated Chao from the power of the master emrald, it's just that his mutation is looking like his ancestor. It's like if someone mutated to have neandertal caveman traits.
@Jordanlovellaussie2 жыл бұрын
Game idea for sega: You travel to different planets (planets being like islands in frontiers) you collect the chaos emerald and you fight the mysterious being living on the planet after defeating the first boss you see a purple bullet head off to the next planet so you follow it in a super sonic flying mini game where you dodge the stars. Upon reaching the plant an enemy similar to the last but bigger approaches you and knocks you down so you repeat until the second boss and after defeating it another purple bullet almost the same but bigger goes to the next planet, you follow it and it leads you to the next planet and you repeat being beaten down by the boss. This time you notice the emeralds starting to change, into more of a darker look only some of them tho. So you continue and fight the third boss this one taking a similar shape to supreme you beat the heck out of it and once again a bigger purple bullet shoots to the next island you collect the chaos emeralds and you notice they are getting darker, but you ignore it. after beating the boss a massive bullet approaches to the last I planet and this time you find out what all those purple bullets turned into, The final form of the end so you rush to collect the emeralds and now all the emeralds have turned into this darker form. After you collect all the emeralds you transform and there’s the form people have been wanting a super corruption form, and unsurprisingly it’s just what you needed because it gives you a boost in power. After all this journey you unlock a secret final move ( similar on how u do when u start getting corrupted in frontiers) so you fight the massive being of destruction in your new form after you beat the game you find out the origin of the end (possibly created by negative energy in chaos emeralds which might be why they are so bright) and you attempt to take it out once and for all in the second phase the end has had enough, and it takes the form of all the titans almost just combined and it’s power accelerates (maybe this is where shadow fits in idk where to put him) and you fight this being while similar to dark Gaia phase 1 you dodge some of it bullets and beat the hell out of it this repeats a couple time until you defeat the end or so you thought that was only part of the dark matter you had been fighting in frontiers and in this game the end finally takes it’s true form and the end is near but sonic won’t let it happen he has a determined look on his face as he closes his eyes and uses all the power he can from the chaos emeralds ( good time to bring back hyper sonic here) and then the fight begins first of all the end shoots massive projectiles that you will need to fight and destroy and then u get to the end and beat the heck out of it while dodging it’s bullets (similar to before) and this repeats. The end shoots it’s laser like in frontiers and then u get a quick time event (similar to unleshed final boss perfect dark Gaia) and if u successfully complete the QTE you get to deal the final blow and defeat the end! (And the end got out again after being sealed because of eggman releasing sage, you can add the other characters but that’s just a plot for sonic and the end any character could fit into it I’m just not sure where) ( Thank you for reading)
@WarmCedarElf Жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining why there were so many Easter eggs to the movies! I was a little confused about why there were so many of them, I love the movies, but that game felt too full of them!
@myleswelnetz6700 Жыл бұрын
0:40 It seems like a pretty rocky foundation.
@smoothie73622 жыл бұрын
i think this is my favorite video on youtube. i hope sonic frontiers is the sonic adventure sa3’s sonic adventure 2
@pyrogenocidality95892 жыл бұрын
Ik this is random but to be fair, I doubt that not EEEVERYRHIGN you’re saying is true, and I doubt you think so either, but the theory is incredibly believable and it feels right on so many levels, one thing I would be able to see with this is that it would also be an homage and possibly a complete reboot for sonic 06. “The End comes back in the form of Mephiles The Dark”, silver’s story is redone, we get a Solaris return, maybe sage even replaces Elise. She did have a huge effect on The End in frontiers and based on everything you’ve said in this video and how 06 failed but was also praised for its villain writing and silver considering he’s a pretty well appreciated character by the community, it feels very logical and seems just as plausible as everything you’ve said. Obviously nobody should get their hopes up too high for everything you’ve said but it’s still a very strong possibility and very interesting to think about, I hope that some of this is true at the very least
@alonsovenegas44442 жыл бұрын
I actually have a theory about Sonic’s character, which may be a stretch but hear me out. What if, Sonic becomes depressed knowing that his friends have hopeful futures while he has no motive. What if he becomes more like Shadow, becoming a bit more edgy and more of his dark self. This can opens a lot of possibilities for his story, hell, we can utilize Dark Super Sonic to represent his true dark side. If Shadow become important for a sequel for Sonic’s adventure, what if Shadow is the reason why Sonic doesn’t go to that side, to prevent anyone to go down the same dark path Shadow himself went through. A common point is that dark super Sonic isn’t actually canon, which fair, but this could be the perfect chance to bring in that form while making sense in a story like this. This may be a stretch but is definitely could be a good story if done correctly.
@Temzy2 жыл бұрын
Almost had me until the last part lmao. Absolutely solid video tho 💪🏾
@BWHERE2 жыл бұрын
I may have gotten a bit carried away...
@iv94962 жыл бұрын
My man I was laying on bed at 4 am watching this video and when you connected all the dots and said Sonic Adventure 3 will be the next game I literally freaking stood up and my heart rate increased this makes a lot of sence and I hope it really does happen. LETS GO! Edit: Now that your talking about the Super emeralds this is even MORE exciting! I hope everything plays out like this or similar to this. If the next game ends up being SA3 I would really love to see remastereds/Remakes of both SA and SA2 before this hypothetical SA3.
@Nedum052 жыл бұрын
31:00 it’s calm bro, I’m kinda excited too but are you sure they are really gonna make an sa3? Also I like your idea of expanding on older lore. Unleashed is still my favorite sonic game and it’d be epic if they explain chip, dark Gaia, and their connection to the emeralds
@Naruku21212 жыл бұрын
The End really kind of felt like an after thought in some ways. Though if The End really isn't the end, then I suppose they could build off it's story in other games building up the characters to face it with the lessons they sat out to learn while in the background The End is reconstituting it self for some other plan everyone needs to come together to face. And on a side note I do agree if they do bring back the end agian. Then they can't exactly just use Super Sonic to beat it, and if they really really want to set The End above all that came before it, then allowing the Chaos Emeralds to become the Super Emeralds to imbue Sonic with Hyper Sonic would elevate at the bare minimal the final boss of the next game and showcase an actual need for their return. I mean to add on it, even Sage was unsure even Super Sonic had what it takes to contend with The End alone. And while that isn't saying much considering she spent the whole game doubting Sonic at this point she was the most open to all possibilities and even with her new found belief in what Sonic could do. It just seems like to me with the lore, the titans and the islands defenses and the presentation that Super Sonic is basically the bare minimum that Sonic needs to even have a chance against island and the End's forces the power of the Chaos Emeralds may in fact might not be enough to defeat The End once and for all which makes the return of the End and the possibility of the Super Emeralds all the more compelling for a sequel.
@carso15002 жыл бұрын
I think the same, the ancients are the most advanced civilization that we have seen up to this point and they are the original masters of the chaos emeralds, all their technology use it it powered their machines, cyberspace and even the titans and despite that they were insuficient, it's obvious that the chaos emeralds alone are just not powerful enough to fight against the end But you know what the ancients didnt had access to, the Master emerald, it looks like they didnt even use it until after the end was trapped in cyberspace when they build the master emerald altar, the Master emerald may be the ley to defeating the end
@Naruku21212 жыл бұрын
@@carso1500 Definately a good idea. I think I mentioned it sort of in my other post. But showing the Master Emerald drawing in the Chaos Emeralds may be more significant in hindsight. If they did all that with just the understanding of the 7 Chaos Emeralds, then adding the Master Emerald into the mix could of been the game changer. Or if they turned into the Super Emeralds as well. Though either they didn't have time to study the Master Emerald either because of the remants that got wiped out, or couldn't account for the radiation that mutated them. Either way it does give Sonic and the others a bit of a leg up as Knuckles role with the Master Emerald may become more relevant agian.
@carso15002 жыл бұрын
@@Naruku2121 yeah the chaos emeralds are native from the ancients world, the master emerald is native to earth, the ancients didnt seemed to have used the master emerald or maybe they just didnt had the time to study it and understand more of its power before the end found them, so if the ancients accomplished all of those feats only with the seven chaos emeralds then potentially the master emerald could potentially prove to be the game changer infusing the chaos emerald to transform them into the super emeralds and using hyper sonic to fight against the ends true body at full power, a feat that even the ancients with all their power failed to accomplish it would be a cool way to get the master emerald and knuckles back into the main story, something that hasnt happened since the time of adventure 1
@JonyPlayz1 Жыл бұрын
Bro has got the biggest wish list in sonic history ( I hope I’m wrong tho lol) Interesting video!
@lasseehrenreich55022 жыл бұрын
Just want to say sorry for accusing you of saying Chris Chibnall is a bad person. I had heard some not very good people saying it and thought you were one of them but you are not one of them. It hasn't been the best periode of my life - hope you can forgive me.
@That0neDude2 жыл бұрын
Wow, I've never seen anyone go up to someone's video to apologize. You've earned my respect. (not like it matters...)
@lasseehrenreich55022 жыл бұрын
@@That0neDude I'm grateful
@aidianajones2 жыл бұрын
He is though. Have you seen what he did to Doctor Who?
@blurryface433 Жыл бұрын
Who tf cares
@ninjachickn9952 Жыл бұрын
@@aidianajones Who?
@theringmaster64342 жыл бұрын
21:04 you had me on board until you said this.
@prettysunk2 жыл бұрын
Bro fr said SA3
@isamelzorrilla56392 жыл бұрын
Hi B-WHERE I love this and I hope you have a good day and you are awesome
@BWHERE2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! You too!
@thesuperguy55572 жыл бұрын
Chaos is a mutated chao, he’s not the last of the ancients. When he was mutated he evolved into what the ancients looked like. The ancients devolved into chao
@swiftyboi78773 ай бұрын
14:11 CALLED IT
@crazyxman65832 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I want Sonic Adventure 3 as much as any OG Sonic fan but I feel like it needs more time and in between, maybe a Frontiers 2? Just my idea
@hyruleguy95692 жыл бұрын
Yes to all of this except for the boost staying. Replace that with the spindash and more open, physics-based level design. Spark the Electric Jester 3 comes to mind, as that's basically an evolved form of the SA2 speed stages + DMC-styled combat. Perfect for the Frontiers followup you're proposing.
@ShanyaTC Жыл бұрын
i think you connect nearly all dots, but i don't think IF Sonic Adventure 3 will be, it wont be in 2025. Probably 2026 as a 35 year anniversary
@weirdtoast7952 жыл бұрын
I Just realized that the wisps Frenzy and Void from Colors and Lost World, they are dark purple tone just like "The End", and in the end of colors, they come back to normal wisps like lazer, drill and others. Yet their powers are related to devour, consume and end things... Maybe they are related to "The End" somehow? (Srry for bad english)
@J03L1572 жыл бұрын
great video man
@BWHERE2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate it!
@dangeldiaper6392 жыл бұрын
This video made me so hype for some reason
@DOOM1962-v9h2 жыл бұрын
I do feel like the next games or so will tie in to more lore, such as the black arms, what is chaos, what is the flame of disaster and are there more flams, and where is chip, and why do whips have powers, and (last one) what is the time eater?
@widerekxxanimations68422 жыл бұрын
3:47 but then why would the earlier version call him father? Sagę even sounds like she dosen't fully know what's happening
@SanicBoi2 жыл бұрын
Sonic Adventure 3 is looking pretty good!
@ChillyDogs372 жыл бұрын
All we need in the next sonic game is dark sonic.
@NTyrzi Жыл бұрын
4:23 I actually tested this in a way where I changed the difficulty to hard from easy right before the cutscene when you defeat Supreme: it worked. You can beat supreme in easy mode and still get into the end fight. The difficulty check probably happens after Super Sonic ends his speech with "I need your help! We can end this! Please!"
@NTyrzi Жыл бұрын
I also wonder how much the delay was about brand synergy. I think the brand synergy is more about the game coming out earlier. Like sure, Frontiers was supposed to come out as Sonic's 30-year anniversary that year but got delayed, which I don't think was because of the brand synergy (and sure, brand synergy most likely is an aspect to some degree absolutely), but because Iizuka wanted more time to get this game done. Wasn't it that SEGA gave an extra year, when Iizuka wanted 2 years, so yea, a brand synergy not because of the delay, but because of the early release. I didn't go check the fact for this comment (especially when the majority of google searches leads me to the pre-release mess where people said "Delay the game" a lot) and I'm explaining what I read somewhere and remembered it, so "trust me bro" I guess :D
@TomsSauce2 жыл бұрын
I'm really so excited to see how they'll handle the new story content in the upcoming updates, especially when it comes to playing as other characters
@sonilan41642 жыл бұрын
This video is really cool, your theories are so well thought and told that it makes me extremely hyped about it, cause now I cannot think about the next game being something else! Except for one thing, maybe you did the video before it was announced, but on the final update of Sonic Frontiers there will be new playable characters (presumably Amy, Knuckles and Tails) and a new story, and you don't mention that at all in the video, however I'm sure Sage will be back in this final story given that she was on the illustration, so I'm really interested in your thoughts about this, what would you change to your theories in the video and do you have any theory for the update? And again, congrats for the great work in this video! (also just to inform you in case you missed it, Sage reappeared in an official illustration from Sonic Channel where she appears in her base form, back to Eggman's side)
@JoshuaGomezMusic2 жыл бұрын
either SA3 or another shadow standalone game where he gets the open word gameplay but instead of running through grassy plains he's running through abandoned cities, rotted forests, and other post apocalyptic environments. that'd be sick.
@theoldworldkitten Жыл бұрын
That end Galaga part was suppose to be a segment of the boss fight most likely since there's videos out there that say fans have found out a bigger part in the files of the game that belong and are associated with "the end" boss fight.
@RealmsSMPStudios Жыл бұрын
7:17 it won’t be billions and billions of year in the future dude, it’s going to be TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS OF YEARS! Also with every end comes another beginning, with the heat death, there’s a slight chance that quantum fluctuations will cause another big bang to occur somewhere between 10^10^10^10^56 to 10^10^10^10^76 years from now, also one thing I’m hoping for one day, there’s a 3rd Sonic Rush Game, and for those of you saying “Oh BuT cOlOrS iS tHe ThIrD gAmE!” ITS NOT, IT DOESNT HAVE BLAZE OR EGGMAN NEGA, ITS NOT AN ORIGINAL STORY, JUST BECAUSE ITS A DS GAME DOESNT MEAN JACK CRAP!
@smoothie73622 жыл бұрын
i didn’t like the end as a villain at all but the way you explained it made me like i
@fabplayer23562 жыл бұрын
I hope the next sonic game is gonna be similar to sonic Frontiers, it was my first sonic game and I loved it
@JerekBilbar Жыл бұрын
Ian Flynn has clarified that Chaos is STILL a mutated Chao, because he doesn’t look quite like the ancients. He’s a chao that was mutated by his dormant ancestor genes, which is actually something that happens when modern genetic scientists fuck around and find out. People have, with some genetic fuckery, been able to trigger dormant Dinosaur genes in chickens, giving them these weird reptile beaks. Chaos is like if your house cat gave birth to something that looked remarkably like a sabertooth tiger.
@gamingwithdream20052 жыл бұрын
You're nearly on the money with The End. Kishimoto has come out and say that we've never seen the actual form of The End. This adds to your theory of it being a concept. The Moon is the Japanese symbolism of death and that's what the team decided to use to personify death for the boss. The End is not only the very concept of the end of the universe but it is also the very concept of death itself too. Kishimoto says because of this, to Sage and Sonic, they saw something else but it's individual to them for what they personify as death, what scares them the most, who or what they would equate to as death or the end. So we never get to see who or what Sonic and Sage sees when fighting The End. So The End is the concept of the end but also the concept of death but we will never see it's true form because for whoever sees it, they will see something else, whatever that person personifies as death.
@bowserbreaker25152 жыл бұрын
SA3 has to go all out. Multiple characters, CRUSH 40 music, big story, no 2D sections, momentum gameplay, and they should include Silver and Blaze, because why not? I am worried if it is, because they won't end up doing level to level gameplay, and we'll be stuck with the boost in SONIC ADVENTURE 3.
@AYTM12002 жыл бұрын
SA3 will likely have the boost from frontiers.
@JT_Toons2 жыл бұрын
Custom avatars with advanced and indepth customization for online mode
@jesse17942 жыл бұрын
Well it would make sense that knuckles was added much later. The team behind the animation said they have been creating it for nearly 4 years, so the decision to have knuckles was made within the 1st year of development.
@AYTM12002 жыл бұрын
I know this will sound almost impossible and silly and I wouldn't blame you for not believing me but I literally predicted EVERYTHING you said in this video. Everything from them going to space, to Hyper Sonic. I also predicted some other things like them going to planet wisps and the black arms. An open world with Planet wisps can give Sonic Team an excuse to reuse assets from Generations. Also, the Black Arms gave their DNA to Gerald Robotnick and it could have also been to create the ultimate life form to save them from The End. This will make the whole plot of Shadow the hedgehog be seen in a different light. The only thing I did agree with is the release year which I think will be 2026. This was a great video you're very underrated, I'm definitely subbed.
@BWHERE2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! The Black Arms trying to save themselves from The End is... a really good theory!
@xxfratosxx82572 жыл бұрын
Imagine if the call the next sonic game called "Sonic the End". Sick name, predictions from this video boss, and more. However people may think the title would confuse audience thinking its the last game. There will be so many pre-orders
@matthewmccoyd25782 жыл бұрын
12:06 and then vector tags along both as a third wheel and a callback
@Infinite-halos2 жыл бұрын
I’m loving that super emerald crack pot theory
@teamsonicchannel44002 жыл бұрын
ian flynn is very into the lore at the minute he has explained about the chaos emeralds but i wonder if he will touch upon some of the things he mentioned in the egg memos he mentioned the echidnas, the black arms and the babylonians now we know he cant touch the echidnas but i do wonder if he will touch upon the black arms they clearly had influence on the past such as transporting bird shaped flying temples and there history with the chaos emeralds we dont know what they did during there prior visits before the creation of shadow so prehaps we could learn more about them
@iv94962 ай бұрын
I like to think that the end's manifestation as a "moon" is not really a moon but a black dwarf a completely cooled down dead star. I think if Super Sonic represents the sun, light and life, It'd be more fitting for the end to represent a black dwarf (dead star), dark and death.
@purifiedst0rm Жыл бұрын
sonic adventure 3 is totally the next game.
@stevenanthony3644 Жыл бұрын
I think the ends true form is mephiles making his return and screwing around with the heroes to torcher them and continuing to try to destroy life since the two just to want to destroy life.
@craytherlaygaming28522 жыл бұрын
Like others had said there is no question that the sage at the end of the game is the exact same who died, she's part of cyberspace. And the symbol that shows up before she says 'father' is the exact same that appears in the sky when finishing Koco missions and is related to the soul.
@jxhnnytech2 жыл бұрын
the Sage x Shadow theory you predicted sent chills down my spine sir, heaaavyyyy stuff youre saying here, talking about this man shadow can heal from his past traumas... or relive the pain... sheeesh😰 if this is true... ooooooohhhhh Im gonna lose it. 🤞🏽fingers crossed sir
@BWHERE2 жыл бұрын
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@endamcnabola Жыл бұрын
Wanna make an updated video after seeing The Final Horizon?
@BWHERE Жыл бұрын
Honestly with how much they played up the anime aspects of Super Sonic, the fact that he got a new form, and we got to play as other characters? I'm even more sure I'm right and the next game is Adventure 3, or at the very least in the same style and tone as Adventure. (Also Hyper Sonic is coming back!! I will not stop huffing copium!!!!!!)
@AYTM1200 Жыл бұрын
@@BWHEREeggman even said he'd use the ancients technology to steal the master emerald which is how all adventure games start.
@galece2 жыл бұрын
This sounds like something that could actually happen, maybe it isn't the next game. But i'm very sure these things has a high chance of happening once.
@nathangrant20012 жыл бұрын
Do you think that there will be a sonic x reference? If sonic adventure 3 happens, and we get to travel to space we could find Easter eggs about the meterexe or Cosmo. I say this because sonic x was focused around the adventure games, and sonic and friends traveled through space to fight the meterexe. Also they encountered fake chaos emeralds, allowing a one use per emerald.
@BWHERE2 жыл бұрын
If Ian Flynn is writing I'd bet he'll include a soft reference, probably to the Metarex or Cosmo. But don't expect any explicit canonization
@Scroteydada2 жыл бұрын
On the topic of brand synergy, I have a feeling that the Paramount and game lore for the Emeralds' origins might not actually be different at all.
@BWHERE2 жыл бұрын
With the obvious exception being that the chaos emeralds weren't inside the master emerald - you may be right!
@SsjkidsSaveCosmo08 Жыл бұрын
I don't think Knuckles was a late addition rerecording voice lines and changing cutscenes would be way easier than making an animation which probably took months and months and months to make
@rancorgen2 жыл бұрын
This man just gave Sega the complete groundwork for the best sonic game of all time
@darkmatter-mc5iv2 жыл бұрын
So, the Super Emeralds are a powered up version of the Chaos Emeralds, right? So then how are they in another dimension, yet the Chaos emeralds are right on earth? Are they two seperate groups? As in new Chaos Emeralds were made, or were the Super Emeralds always there?
@nimarus31182 жыл бұрын
I sometimes think I'm the only one who wants to see Sonic Adventure 3.
@S_110772 жыл бұрын
I wrote a hyper sonic comment similar to what you said just before I got to the hyper sonic segment of the vid. All I ask for is that if they bring back hyper sonic, they bring back hyper knuckles and super tails.
@robhillen8007 Жыл бұрын
I know it's a long way off, but I really hope the Sonic movie 4 follows a retelling of 06 or Rush. I think Silver and Blaze are amazing characters and I want them to matter to the series again, and following the brand synergy theory would make that a natural consequence. I'd also settle for it being a mix of Sonic CD and Heroes for Metal Sonic and Amy if they don't appear in movie 3.
@theelectronic37382 жыл бұрын
I honestly don’t see SA3 as the next game. YET. I feel like it’s to early. And with the concepts you describe. The question I have is. How will these characters truly connect with each other? I feel with the time limit your giving this game (~3 years) while sonic frontiers took around 5 years I believe. And this game was rushedish (Chaos Island). And they seem to continue to develop Frontiersz making a game of a large scope that ur thinking. Very unlikely within that time. I think the next game will be *mini* Sonic Adventures. Let me explain. In the first one we will get Shadow Adventure (or somethin like that) We’ll have Tails finding some ancient magical power. And he attempts to figure out it’s power to restore an area that eggman previously destroyed. Tails screws something up and sends a huge power signal. Eggman picks up on this signal. And sets after it with repaired sage. Shadow shows up and something happens and makes the power surge happen again. Sage goes rogue and goes on a rampage that she can’t control because the end has corrupted her. So the three characters that’ll be playable here would be Eggman, Shadow, Tails. Shadow would get a moment to talk to sage after the rampage and discovers that hey she’s very similar to Maria. Then Maria is scared off by Tails and Eggman fighting. Que adventures here. Final battle is some entity of the end and killing it either Destroys or Frees Sage. I have multiple ideas for other characters. However this message is already getting long. If interested I may add more. Basically. There’s going to be multiple games before SA3 with sonic taking a back seat or possibly not involved at all. For SA3 we combine all the styles in those games into one. And go fight the End origin
@creeperheadfanboy8477 Жыл бұрын
So my only question left is what do you think will eggman play as role in the new game. I mean he has to do something.
@Jamfrog352 жыл бұрын
What about Sonic Galactic Adventure? Not SA3, I know, but makes sense as to the theme to the game as of space. Also, what if we get different master emeralds for different planets, kind of tying in as to what the master emerald true purpose is. because I have a feeling just the master emerald being on earth isn't just a coincidence. maybe the master emerald is a piece to a bigger gem. Also also, we could throw in different species of different planets like maybe use the seedrians from Sonic X into the main game or revisiting planet wisp and we get the wisps, the original babylonian's original planet, or maybe new species for other planets that could be in the game. We could even have the planet's own version of the Sonic cast, like an alien version of Sonic that reflects Sonic's early days or something like that, going full circle to the casts and bringing life to the planets you visited.
@heftyrumble2 жыл бұрын
I'm with you on ALMOST everything. Those weren't the Super Emeralds in Sonic Adventure, those were the Chaos Emeralds
@BWHERE2 жыл бұрын
they are each individually larger than Tikal, way too big to be the Chaos Emeralds
@heftyrumble2 жыл бұрын
@@BWHERE Has this actually been checked? Like, have their models been checked side by side before? 🤔