THOUSANDS of Eve Online players just got SCREWED OVER by ONE GUY!

[@thomasken]

"Watch closely as grandpa topples an empire by changing a 1 to a 0"

[@klericajohnny3990]

Thomas Corremans Rick is the master

[@MattsCollection]

"I can do that.....for money!"

[@sleep3417]

HE WHO OWNS THE PANTS OWNS THE UNIVERSE

[@juancruzgoni1]

Existance is pain

[@joshgardiner5528]

Thomas Corremans Dammit i thought i was the first one to say that lol.

[@zomgl2pnoobffs]

"Spend months earning the trust of players, then betray them and steal their ships." is beginner level Eve.

[@Idk-gn8ov]

I knew a guy who spent actual *years* earning the trust of members, rising up the ranks and being entrusted with huge tasks. The guy made friends that had the potential of being lifelong. He forgot why he actually got into the job, he asked himself if it was actually worth it. "lol screw that xd." and he stole thousands of dollars worth of items.

[@basicpenguin3844]

@@Idk-gn8ov goddamn.. this game really brings out the worst in people

[@kylerayner6527]

From what I have heard Judge was an agent from the Imperium

[@ripgnar4352]

Basic Penguin bro my friend in RL told me that he thinks i have not nuts, lost all respect for me, and other bs because i joined a pvp corp that gate camps every now and then lol so yes this game def makes people expose their toxicity levels

[@stuartkeithguitars4251]

Isn't that beautiful? I can't wait until I turn dark from the experience.

[@777somebody]

You know one of the fundamental rules of Eve, even in rookie chat this is mentioned alot. Trust no one.

[@CommanderM117]

and don't fly what you cant afford to lose

[@n3rdst0rm]

lol high sec miner ganking in a nut shell

[@CommanderM117]

even null sec

[@insertname4959]

don't trust someone you can't punch irl

[@Zerathorne40k]

You can trust me though. ^^

[@pumpkingamebox]

I started EVE once. But the learning curve was so steep that at the end of you could have a PhD in economics

[@jsh3288]

this is so true

[@tehMorion]

This is actually so true that there are multiple people who have done their doctoral theses on the economics of EVE.

[@TheJoseph0012]

@@tehMorion Really? damn

[@jrregan]

Image what would happen IRL if you explained this is how you spend your spare time when not at work.

[@anthonyzullo]

THE END of the learning curve you say? I'm a 08 baby and I'm still unsure of a lot of the game lmfao. That learning curve is never ending fam. But that's exactly why eve online is hands down the best mmo to exist. There is literally no end game, yet the whole thing is end game all in one. There are so many skill points to learn that even if you started Skilling at launch day that you still wouldnt have all of the skills unless you paid for them. What this guy did, pshh, it was nothing. Well it was significant and changed the entire power dynamic of the alliance's, but it's all good fun lmfao. When you get like, 2 months into the game it literally pays for itself. And with the new hypernet they have, I watched one dude drop 110 million isk on a large skill injector and win, and kept using his winnings to win more things, he was up to 45 billion in winnings, in a week. That is close to 500$ USD lmao!!!

[@openyoureyes7539]

You climb into games to escape painful reality only to find yourself in a virtual painful reality I laugh.

[@ffc2632]

Exactly! Games should be fun, not toxic or stressful

[@mrshiny3822]

That’s an oft moment

[@Gudsteinn]

@@ffc2632 the reason i quit EvE, (used to play it alot) for all the time you put into something just to loose it in minutes get's very frusturating and boring, then there is the problem with the Big alliances and their control over everything.

[@bigrcfanatic]

@@ffc2632 Crazy stuff like this is what makes eve fun, though. You plot and scheme and betray and it's all 100% allowed by the developers. It's the most free that you can be in a video game. On the bright side, most players are actually quite helpful.

[@DaveSmith-cp5kj]

@@bigrcfanatic Exactly. The developers specifically said in multiple trailers that the attraction of EVE isn't as much combat or anything, but the political aspect. Not for everyone, I don't play it, but it certainly is an amazing thing to watch.

[@danielclark-hughes692]

I barely scrape enough time together to play single player games so Eve is out of the question for me but it does seem like a place that fosters some entertaining long term stories.

[@SleepySeel]

I played it for 10 years. It become like having a second job. ( I edited this because the presenter just said the same thing lol)

[@rcmunro22]

This is a common misconception about EVE. Actually one thing a lot EVE players do, is play other games. All you do is que up a few weeks/months worth of Training when you want to take a break, when you come back you have "leveled up". Imagine lvling up like in WoW or a typical MMO without playing.

[@enrielkarledo5911]

Daniel Clark-hughes i advise you to watch the "going south" serie from Wingspan TT. Fun and lots of giggles ^^ See you in space one day, maybe ^^

[@RitzSamaritano]

There's only one problem with this behavior, you can train for years and put your character in a titan (the biggest ship class in the game) without undock from a station and stay offline all the time... but in this way you know nothing about the game, you'll learn nothing about the gameplay, about the ship, how it work and how to use it... so you're basically dead on the undock :) No way, Eve requires effort and commitment, this does not mean you can't have a social life or sometimes play something else, but it's a game very intense that require effort if you want to play in null sec with a big alliance, because big corps and alliances have some standards, have specific doctrines, require some kind of behavior and experience. You can be a casual player also in Eve, but you must play in solo in Hi-sec or with a small corp, but that's an entirely different game compared to the Eve online described in the video. PS: I'm a CO2 player which lived all this drama :)

[@alganhar1]

Sometimes play something else? Hell, I am often platooning or Divisioning up with Alliance mates in World of tanks or world of Warships while on TS if there is no roam or fleet out... or partnering with some of them on Path of Exile.... Hell, many of the guys in my Corp and Alliance know my wife, at least to speak to, and she does not play the game. But I count myself a casual player despite the fact I am in a null sec alliance and PVP regularly, in fact most days I am online. I am a notoriously lazy ISK maker so tend to PLEX for the ISK I need for ships... because guh, ratting FUCKING SUCKS! Enough said there! Point is you can be successful in null as a fairly casual player in the right corp with one important Caveat.... Get involved. Even if you suck. Doesnt take long to get into an Interceptor if you Omega, my preference these days is three burst Command ships, I actually enjoy the on grid CS play, so 3 burst CS running navy mindlinks with maxed out leadership. Good luck guessing which Sliep is running the Primary bursts because they are *all* running at least one if only to cover which is the Primary burst... which is good as you lose a rig slot so some tank! :P And no, wont be giving you the name of my Main :)

[@yaldabaoth2]

I always had the feeling that EVE was made for crazy people and kept them from spilling out into the real world.

[@linasama2139]

Yaldabaoth i play eve and trust me that is accurate m8

[@EnviROmaniac]

if star citizen will ever go online....i really want to see what damage eve players will do to the kids in that game.

[@enrielkarledo5911]

Yaldabaoth We are absolutely sane, we just *forget* to take our pills more often than not

[@Mgranadosv]

They should make it free because there's a lot of fucking crazies running around who could be confined in Eve

[@magicalfungi3206]

that's the best explanation of eve players i've ever heard, and probably why i never got into it.

[@theiran]

I started out in a good corp with a great CEO. We were a mining/research/building corp, who supplied various other corps with ships, parts, weapons, and ammunition. After playing for two years, the CEO guy was starting a new RL job and had less time to run the corp. So, he eventually passed the mantle to a mutual friend (who was not a founding member). She has OCD, is a control freak, and ran the corp with an Iron Fist. Every little thing had to be accounted for: every mineral use, all research, use of money from the corp wallet had to be okayed by her and if the reason wasn't good enough, she denied it. I was head of Production. I scheduled the mining ops and did the research jobs. I had paid for the PoS and its components. After about a month of this control, I had had enough. I took the PoS down and stopped scheduling mining ops. Production came to a screeching halt. She screamed and ranted. Made all kinds of threats. But there was really nothing she could do. I left the corp and joined one of the competitor corps. I still own 10% stock in that first corp though...

[@MarcosSilveira]

Yeah, you showed that bitch who really was the boss!!!

[@binozia-old-2031]

thats eve! sounds so cool!

[@Goggsy08]

A leader without much skill in leadership or management. You did the right thing.

[@isubscribetodemonlords2733]

@DPC it's stated she has OCD.

[@richardlopez5992]

@DPC well if she is gonna be a tyrant who can blame him

[@clumsyturtle8544]

Never played EVE, don't want to play EVE, don't want to watch EVE but i LOVE hearing about the crazy stuff that happens in EVE.

[@thesollylama130]

You should come check it out. You don't have to hear about stuff, you can be part of making it happen.

[@Rschaltegger]

you play eve allready..sorry you can log in now we have you

[@crazydog3307]

agreed, i tried but the actual game play is more boring than watching other people play an mmo

[@BinaryShad0]

crazydog 330, did you leave hi sec? nothing interesting happens in hi sec unless you like trading or have a char with lots of indy skills

[@xBloodXGusherx]

I am the 150th thumbs up to this comment. I feel the exact same way. Played eve like 5 years ago in a 7 day trail. Uninstalled that same day. That game will kill your life.

[@johnkniss2996]

Apparently this Giga X guy had over 30,000 hours spent in Eve Online.... Just imagine losing everything you built for the past 13 years because of one heated comment.

[@UniDeathRaven]

just like in real life. thats why eve online fucking BEST gmae!

[@KegstandOG]

I have seen it happen personally several times. It is mainly why I quit. Everyone is working an angle to screw someone else over and get on the news etc. Small group of friends lived in a C5 WH for a long time had all our assets there and I literally self destructed and blew it all up rather then give in to a Russian Extortion group wanting us to pay ransom and then protection fees. Sad part is we ended up kicking their arse and re-gained control of our wormhole but still several years of assets gone poof and the desire to rebuild gone because it was happening more and more. Large groups wiping mom and pop guilds or ransoming them on a weekly/monthly basis. That or join the Zerg and have to live like your an employee for a Wal Mart Sweat shop. Or live in empire and run missions tog et suicide ganked over and over or salvage rats stealing your stuff while you finish the mission. Miner bumpers extorting solo miner players for "Mining License fees" Don't buy the license you get suicide ganked and followed around every day. Game is the ghetto, want to know how things work in 3rd world countries just play Eve.

[@ishmamahmed9306]

It is my sincere desire to meet the Judge in Hell. I would certainly horik him, Ragnar-style :þ

[@doktork3406]

that's why people have common sense knowing that this can happen...you stay out of such trouble and just don't play games like that and have a life XD i know people ...40years old..playing such games.....man...they forget about hteir family..spend wayyy too much money...and it's just so lame ..hearing 40year olds screaming how they lose cavalry ..infantry..spaceships..whatever... mmo games are shit...they are specifically designed to create addiction and many more issues of psychological manner for those that say i eat shit...i have my fair share of studies, research and diplomas...and until you get yours and perform case studies and bring your own research to the table like i fucking did..you have no word to say

[@mahashma449]

He had a long history of RL threats of physical violence, and was actively trying to solicit his betrayer's RL address in-game.

[@SimonCleric]

When I was very young, like, 13 years old maybe, I was playing Lineage 2. It was my first MMO and I was naiive to think that everyone for the most part is friendly. So when a person told me "hey, want me to enchant that sword of yours?" I said "sure, here, take it"... I never saw the sword or the person again. And that was my first introduction into the world of online gaming. The morale of this story is - holy hell, I can't even imagine what these EVE players feel. I wouldn't be surprised if they abandoned gaming altogether... this is just... so sad...

[@PrettyGoodGaming]

Wow. Thanks for coming forward with your story. Who else wants to step forward and share with the group?

[@stefanpalicki3538]

i was playing starbound multiplayer and was playing around with someone and he totally robbed me, i felt so betrayed that i stopped playing for like a year.

[@YourLocalRaccoon]

Pretty Good Gaming sure I'll share; I was in lineage 2 ages ago, I was like 19 or something at the time. I had just learned how to enchant a few lower level weapons and was going around giving people free enchants to level up the skill. Well I found this kid who handed his sword over without question RIGHT as I lost power...my entire computer fried and I was never able to regain access to that account. Wish I could too, I had just gotten the ability for higher level enchants too.

[@blakor19]

When i was 10 years old i used to play a game called MU, i had two accounts so i couldn't just use the bank to move items, so i asked a guy to hold my set and when i came back he was gone. Never trusted anyone after that

[@SimonCleric]

+BadFoxDragon Not sure if I wanna like or dislike this comment. On one hand, it's actually quite funny. On the other hand, it's too soon! It's only been 14 years since that day, my trauma is still fresh! Making jokes about it is so inconsiderate T_T

[@RCMPGuythunder]

The Judge: “Thing is.... The game was rigged from the start”

[@goodrich2498]

RCMPGuythunder underrated comment

[@lanceolson5988]

Why make more Star Wars movies when you can write a series on the shit that apparently happens in this game?

[@RambleOn07]

Lance Olson that would be awesome

[@Rezinax]

Lance Olson there is actually a book about it called empires of eve, a really great read

[@CommanderM117]

and it likely a war has started over this at this very time

[@Cracker3011]

Actually, this ENDED a war. Or at least swung a war so far in favour of one side that its just a matter of time.

[@Elmithian]

Cracker3011 Damn shame really. Would have liked seeing goonswarm being broken up from the inside instead.

[@guru230]

Have you ever heard about the tragedy of Gigx the wise?

[@Deimnos]

@biggie mombasa you mean Darth Gigs the wise

[@KonichiWawa]

@@Deimnos Watching that movie literally as I type.

[@andrewpark78]

Biggie Mombasa its not a story the judge would tell you

[@Superoxide1]

Andrew Park well played

[@victorstrh]

Not so wise it seems

[@rainbowsherbertcandle]

Jesus Christ, this is some Game of Thrones level shit

[@84warhead]

That's basically what EvE Online is, Game of Thrones in space.

[@darugdawg2453]

Ser Twenty of House Goodmen but got is not got anymore

[@dailyZork]

Exactly what i thought, i do want to play this but it needs a lot more time then i have for gaming.

[@sasfa1]

i know man

[@Jenny-eg3uh]

Eve came first :)

[@ken7165]

Damn, lots of stories from Eve are movie plots

[@king_mega1670]

MY GUY! I KNOW RIGHT!!

[@Nintendude.]

Yup.

[@Satsaru]

this is like game of thrones in space. I have no interest in playing this, but someone could legit make a show about eve entirely out of forum posts

[@existentialvoid]

Satsaru naa, it 'seems' like game of thrones - but in reality it's CCP devs. Giving the keys to GSF.

[@YumLemmingKebabs]

It's more like Game of Thrones in real life for the sake of winning an unwinnable internet space ships game where no one actually dies.

[@EccoWolf1]

Yeah no kidding that's like some brilliant lawful evil kind of shit they pulled and I love it, I'm actually impressed that the politics in a game are that realistic.

[@XHobbiesPrime]

I spent upwards of 6 months in a war in Cloud Ring. By the end of the war everyone is grinding for ISK so they can afford ships to go back to fight.

[@ace0071000]

Well, getting banned as a result of such a coup as shown in this video is pretty much like a character's death in a series.

[@buff3dn3rf26]

So this game is a lot like real life. One guy owns everything. Everyone sucks. Nobody is trustable. No thanks. I play video games to escape these things.

[@thabestsniper]

chonchan That is why I don't play eve. I get that someone could just go on minding their own business but I'm not gonna play a game from devs who encourage this kind of things

[@senseisprotege3632]

chonchan Fucking a right Man! after getting s*** Jack from me in the division a couple times, I asked myself, what is the f****** point?! Why would I play games to get pissed off or screwed over by people? Have fun all you haters.

[@fangzea]

Exactly all 3 of you, this is why the game has a horrible retention. I keep hearing about how it has a steep learning curve but that is bullshit. The game is toxic as fuck. This game is the Kardashians of the MMO world.

[@DudeSoWin]

Finally someone whom gets it. This thing is rigged to hell and back. Does not qualify as a game.

[@Nyahahameha]

I know next to nothing about this 'game' and I know it's a lot healthier for me to stay away from it.

[@CaptainJacksIsland]

In summary: Eve Online is still Eve Online.

[@TraustiGeir]

Oh, yes.

[@heartofjustice6041]

except with 25 percent less players

[@fangzea]

And dropping. Even with the alpha's they are having less players.

[@IceQ78]

Oh they are still there. Probably just moved to NC. or Goons or TEST. The people that play EVE rarely have kiddy tantrums and rage quit (Like they would do in other MMOs).

[@harpdedarpdooweee1107]

Eve online is Secondlife in Space. Fuck that. If I want nepotism and back stabbing to count for anything, I'll go to Reddit. Otherwise, I'll play an actual fucking game with actual fucking gameplay that counts for something in the game and qualifies it as an actual fucking game

[@lucienarindel5836]

*"That's the greatest pirate I've ever seen."*

[@rjg27]

*"So it would seem."* Queue music

[@getsomeonegt1276]

HAHAHAHAHAH

[@simonpieters9447]

fr!!!!

[@Diluted_Potato]

He just pulled some Order 66, Citadel of Ricks shit right there. Long live the empire.

[@CommanderM117]

it was cool but the imperium are dicks of other dick now there likely going to do what there motto demands were not here to ruin the game were here to ruin YOUR game

[@kanedakrsa]

Christ did somebody ruin your punctuation?

[@samerm8657]

VelstryoxDP Hail!

[@RavianGale]

CO2 had it coming. I won't forgive them for what they did to FCON.

[@49diewj]

I was just about to make a Rick and Morty reference when I saw your comment. Glad to know someone else caught the similarity.

[@bluesifer8238]

if you didn't keep repeating yourselves you could probably have read that 2000 word essay

[@StarlasAiko]

That's how cloak and dagger works in Spreadsheets in Space

[@Macabri_2k10]

that spreadsheet comment is such an ignorant comment, if you never played the game stop commenting such bullshit

[@captainbodyshot2839]

yeah, basically a spreadsheet

[@StarlasAiko]

Chupacabra2k10 I not only did play, I still do. I enjoy it, but it requires a lot of note keeping and spreadsheets. If you think otherwise, then either you are the one who is not actually playing it or you are not playing it to the full potential.

Kilravok damn you didn't have to end his career like that

[@KommissarBanx]

alwayslikeaboss Your name just became his In-Game title lmao

[@binnysan]

"the CEO will seal your fate" "I AM the CEO."

[@Piombo65]

Not yet

[@ativacorvin5881]

I like this judge guy he sounds like a perfectly reasonable ferengi.

[@slipinslider]

Ativa Corvin he James bonded that shit

[@kanedakrsa]

He's a cool guy. He got elected to the council by being a part of a group he then betrayed, along with Gigx and the rest of Co2. They attempted to backstab their allies of 6+ years by laying a trap for their big ship armada. Thankfully we're awful at eve and avoided it. Fast forward two years and The Judge is returning the favor to Gigx and Co2. Feels Goodman.

[@gregoryvinson9299]

Ativa Corvin best comment here my friend! Almost spit out my food upon reading it.

[@pxpin89]

He clearly is up to date on the rules of acquisition

[@JeanLucCaptain]

well as a fellow ferangi i say this; THIS TIME THEY HAVE GONE TO FAR!!!!!!!!!

[@SepticArtOfficialVids]

This is the greatest space drama since Star Trek.

[@SnifyWisper]

I was just thinking this sounds like one of Garak's schemes.

[@JRGProjects]

SnifyWisper it does

[@brigandboy1425]

Giving control of so much to one person was an incredibly stupid move. Time and time again this kind of thing happens in EVE. There are people out there who are paid by other corps to go into enemy corps as sleeper agents and do this. I just... the game is old by now. How is it that any corp or alliance doesn't know how to split powers up?

[@gamingsandvich7987]

because humanity has made that exact mistake for thousands of years, and it still does.

[@Epoch615]

The key is, you make sure you take REALLY good care of your industry and logistics people and they will never betray you. Unless you cross TEST or Goons.

[@freddykrueger8076]

@@Epoch615 Not just that, you CAN have a singular leader with absolute power, and every single branch of the "organization" below them is broken up into parts. The leader can act not only as the figurehead, and the face of the organization, but can also create trusts, bonds, and alliedships with their power. So long as the leader makes sure to NEVER give anyone else full and/or near full authority, just like themselves, then they can make sure everything is safely regulated, so that SHOULD someone betray them, (which as you correctly pointed out, should not happen if they are treated well, and the industry is taken care of, unless... they are sleeper agents) then that person would be able to inflict little to none damage to said organization.

[@SlashDrago]

It might work..... at some point. It just wasn't done correctly.

[@davecrupel2817]

All i have to say is this. Name me another video game where this type of stuff can happen and have it work into the world perfectly.

[@GaMTblock]

The phrase “it’s just a game” can’t apply here i would have wanted to cry if that was my Corp lol

[@BillyReed68]

If anyone actually finds out who that guy is in RL, (and it's gonna happen) he's gonna be lucky if he survives the beat-down. I wouldn't want 4,000 people (psychos) looking for my ass. Mark my words, EvE is going to be taken down, eliminated from the net completely. Someone is going to kill someone else in RL over in game controversy, and that will be that.

[@Tonatsi]

William Mesmer it hasn’t happened in 17 years soooooo

[@artjom5617]

@@BillyReed68 i never played eve, but i see you are one of the guys who played in that guild :'D sorry that you got ripped and sorry to tell you that nobody will take of the game from the net because some kiddos beat each other in reallife, thats not eve's business :'D

[@WorldWalker128]

@@Tonatsi Maybe it just haven't been reported. If there were no witnesses, and no body, and no evidence to be found, then there was no crime, was there? You'd be surprised (and afraid, perhaps) if you knew all the crimes that have been committed that go unreported for years or even DECADES because no one came forward with the information that would have at least started an investigation.

[@jotarokujo6768]

@@Tonatsi yeah guess this guy has already got married and forget the damn thing

[@jeremyk7210]

I just want to know who won the Weeb War.

[@ElectricosCosmos]

Taeng562 the girl in your display pic did.

[@vjm3]

No one.

[@Flourikum]

No one because of all the wasted assets

[@errorafterdark5615]

Yeaaaa.

[@Warvvolf]

Taeng562 There are no winners in that "war".

[@uruzchubun8081]

Sooo........ Who won the weeb war?

[@deviance3235]

Uruz Chubun The non anime lovers

[@puremeth2000]

Secretive Prototype yessss

[@DrCruel]

Everyone who would otherwise have been annoyed by these weebs if they hadn't been e-peen whipping each other.

[@canyoufeelmyformuolimrkrab4536]

Uruz Chubun the haters probably started with watching boku no pico. That’s why they hated anime lmao

[@andrebenjamin7164]

Ur profile pic makes this comment so much better lol

[@ralverto]

Were where you during the Weeb wars? Never forget.

[@KusunokiSG47]

The North remembers !

[@dootdoot1867]

Meh... Nothing will beat the Fountain wars and BOB vs Red Alliance in it's prime with a massive capital fleet with Goonswarm as cannon fodder along with open invitation for the entire north to join in. The amount of times I Saw fleets of 200-600 Pilots all log off when caught pinched was mind blowing.

[@allways28]

Is there anyway to stop the flashbacks ?

[@youcanthandlemyname7393]

war... war never changes.

[@bighelio1093]

The Anti PC Parrot war has changed

[@laxwolf]

"It's just a game", yet it's not hard to feel all the actual human time and energy flushed away in this deceit.

[@rigjockey67]

not to mention all the time and energy that could've excelled their REAL life, instead was spent on a digital land of make believe!

[@potato88872]

@@rigjockey67 blah blah videogames are bad blah blah blah Get covid, thank you

[@rigjockey67]

@@potato88872 get covid?? Well that's a fuked up thing to say to someone who disagrees with an opinion on a frictional game! Offend much!?

[@fallenstar171]

in deed , video games are worth the time you put in there , many times what keeps you playing is the notion of all you puted there already , stop playing would mean that it was all for nothing , everything can be counted in time effort , even in real life (plus rarity/complexity/specialization/demand )

[@MrJinglejanglejingle]

...Huh... I feel bad for the lower guys apart of CO2. The ones who didn't do anything wrong. They were just caught in the crossfire.

[@Pauly421]

Aside from agree to give control of all their stuff to 1 guy xD

[@alaskanaviator853]

Given the thousands of members were they all able to vote on that? I highly doubt it.

[@hideandseekchampion4854]

Collateral damage

[@paedoesmaple]

Lol welcome to eve

[@veyolaski4324]

@@paedoesmaple where you get absolutely destroyed by a pro if you jump low sec with a low-level ship and a lifetime long of pain and grinding for isk.

[@KartoffelKonig]

ALL YOU BASE ARE BELONG TO US !! Man I really want to try out eve but there is just no point in only "trying" you gotta go hands deep and play pretty much 24/7 to get anywhere.

[@NcrXnbi]

I will just wait for EvE 2. Hopefully by then I will have a stable job to play it or die trying.

[@fangzea]

EVE is a single evolving game, their will never be an EVE 2. You are better off going after games like Star Citizen then to wait for a different version of EVE. The reason why is because the games original creators all jumped ship after the corporation CCP that owns EVE was bought by investment firms and is no longer ran by the original team. The game is dying slowly with the current team just putting bandaids on it.

[@KartoffelKonig]

So that means there are no more content updates being made and what you have is the final form of the game? The only thing that can change is between these parameters and what people do with it hmm. Maybe I will wait for Star Citizen then.

[@fangzea]

Yes, the game will not expand like it was originally planned to. The Dust514 and other games that are suppose to be cross platform are all but dropped. None of it really effects EVE in any way. The CCP team is changing in game content to try and balance it more but from my experience it does nothing to bring in more players as the game model is about constant conflict and loss. A great many people do not like the idea of losing everything in one night. The time it takes to achieve a carrier in game will either cost a couple of years of playing the game or a couple hundred in cash. So many will not bother playing that long and people tend to drop the game after a couple of months. After 12 years of playing I can say The vast majority of people who continue to play are old vets with 5 or so years. Die hard fans are what keeps it alive.

[@KartoffelKonig]

I see thanks for the insight. It is still crazy and unique for now in the gaming market so I hope other titles like star citizen will offer the same amount of freedom.

[@lonewarrior250]

EVE is a game I have always wanted to like, but I just couldn't stomach the sadistic environment. It's just not in my nature to be senselessly cruel to other people, so I could never quite fit into the game.

[@BoogerLeader]

Same here. I played for a few weeks and while doing research on it to learn the ropes, I started reading about the things players enjoyed doing to other players and how they screwed people over constantly. It's an incredibly toxic environment, definitely not for me.

[@ikub58]

Dont be then? You can get by absolutely fine minding your own business.

[@G0DALMIGHTY]

Nora Dee Yeah. It is a dog eat dog world though.

[@player101233]

Get into Star Citizen. It's being made right now. Expected to be finished in 2020.

[@G0DALMIGHTY]

MrHoncho Maybe it will be out 2020. :p

[@aquaticmoo673]

gigX : hand threat The Judge : "The attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed"

[@lDoxology]

🤣🤣

[@doibantikov2486]

EVE Online is literally Capitalism: The Game.

[@vetricar]

No, it is anarchy. In capitalism, there are regulations and consequences. Without them, the markets are too unstable and do not generate faith.

[@blizzization]

@@vetricar corporatism, not anarchy , all is due the market, and there are very big holders.

[@lordblazer]

+DERV I'm pretty sure 19th century capitalism didn't have regulation. if it does then that's called a mixed economy and is not capitalism.

[@omega1231]

Regulations and consequences are legal terms, capitalism has nothing to do with legality, it's money = power, the regulations and consequences you speak of come from a need to limit capitalism. Besides regulations of the market is basically socialist reformism at work.

[@arfbark3924]

Capitalism is earning what you have by being good at what you do and constantly trying to improve yourself so someone better than you doesn't overtake you. In the simplest possible terms.

[@MABGaming01]

This is some Game of thrones shit going on here

[@rexerator]

Scene Sci See play ark and join an mega tribe. That is some real game of thrones shit

[@noble5832]

no, it's not

[@rexerator]

Bridudown have you played ark? If you have and have stayed on a server for at least a month you would know that it's actually pretty political.

[@Loke4000aka2670]

WHAT WHAT WHAT!!!!! are you a bot?

[@magnusm4]

No more like Dune since it came first

[@D.A.R.C.I.]

This story is a shy away from sounding like the tragedy of julius caeser

[@danielramsey6141]

v̤̈i̲̅гúᏕ - Detected More like the Ottoman Empire, basically they got screwed the same way!

[@imperiumgrim4717]

A rich man's war but a poor mans fight and the Peasants none wiser

[@ziyadkaraYT]

Judge stole $13000 total from around 4000 people. So on average he stole $3.25 per person. Bout tree fiddy. Judge is Loch Ness Monster. EDIT: Jeez people it's a joke. I'm not trying to downplay the act. I know the value of the in game currency isn't the only measure of how bad this was for players.

[@TheTruthIsGonnaHurt]

The time and energy to build the guild over 13 years can't be easily replaced or quantified. Certainly a lot more valuable then the $3.25 🙄

[@micmccond7]

Ziyad Kara yeah cuase they all split the losses evenly

[@XENOGALAXY]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@massaweed420]

#Confirmed

[@monstermushroomcloud]

I expected the real life monetary value to be much high.

[@alexmercer2743]

Poor Gigx. If I were him, I'd start a new account and recruit former enemies to my cause, and eventually become strong enough to take my revenge, Fire Emblem style.

[@sobreaver]

There ya go, this one's got brain ! And possibly either a good grudge [or bad ? o0] or a lot of time in his hands =]

[@seewaldsja]

14 years later

[@sobreaver]

Steven Seewald : 14 years later... the wave still makes ripples =] Musta been, if not an important, a quite impactful Tsunami of some kind ;)

[@ColdfFlare]

Poor Gigx? He threatened to kill The Judge and his family over the game. Lol, if anything you can see what kind of person he is just by that.

[@alexmercer2743]

Please, I doubt he was serious about wanting to kill anyone. The dude just had several years worth of work stolen out from under him by someone he trusted, and probably considered a friend. Things said in the heat of the moment are rarely followed up on.

[@PrettyGoodGaming]

Another crazy story form the world of Eve Online. Any Eve players out there? What's the maddest/most interesting thing you've ever seen or experienced in the game?

[@ziretutorials6442]

No joke

[@realzire]

Too bad I didn't play the game.

[@bodybody3608]

i want to dislike so i well dislike

[@nicklol8269]

I'll be waiting on episode 2 when the same guy scams his new alliance because people never learn.

[@gallitorsadventures2952]

jeez im pretty sure palpatine was like in judge's ear saying execute order 66

[@imapseudonym1403]

Eve online can best be described as; Get a ship to mine ore, so you can buy a bigger ship to mine more ore, to get an even bigger ship to steal ore and other things from people that were just minding their own business mining ore. That's literally it folks. Anyone who claims otherwise is lying.

[@0Jsays]

Thnx for the heads up

[@mranonymous5963]

That sounds fun

[@dominicanfrankster]

Dodged a bullet.

[@wiggin7941]

@@dominicanfrankster mining is actually one of the, if not the worst way to make money in eve, it's a pvp focused game.

[@dominicanfrankster]

@@wiggin7941 i think that was the jist of Ima's reply. Who opens up any game and immediately delves into pvp (fighting games lol) without getting their ass handes to them?

[@Corrieography]

Eve Online's Rick Sanchez.

[@majorcreed]

CorrieLejjena i bet i could do a shit ton worse

[@ernestocazares51]

Yeah. He destroyed their citadel and their leader basically got deleted

[@gwynmelenat2213]

+Itachi Uchiha better be a clever naruto reference. I look forward to the punchline.

[@Archer-1453]

"You can't be room allows us to teleport the entire station with just knobs and switches." "Hmm, seems poorly designed." * flips switches and knobs * "I gotta take a shit."

[@doppelhelixes]

CorrieLejjena and i tought rick won't do sruff you could simply do

[@literaltrance]

All things considered, this is actually quite the infomrative video! That being said, as an EVE player for 12 years, I feel the need to....address some of the less-than-accurate, or misleading, information found here. 1:15 - 99% of EVE players didn't give a shit about the "weeb war." In other words, this wasn't a war. If anything, it was a skirmish between scrubs over trivial and inconsequential matters. And it lasted maybe...a week? Not even worth mentioning. 2:20 - The relationship between CO2 and Imperium: while it is true many Imperium members felt betrayed that CO2 abandoned their relationship with the Imperium and the adjacent space CO2 occupied next to the Imperium (thus opening up a path for outsiders to invade the), it is equally true that CO2 manned the front lines without assistance from the Imperium despite repeated requests to the Imperium for help. 3:10 - no one got "booted" out of citadels. In fact, the breaking headlines shortly after Judge flipped citadels was how many CO2 members were trapped INSIDE of them because the second they decide to leave, they would be shot by the hundreds of Imperium/TEST pilots camping those stations. These CO2 players also had lots of possessions trapped inside these citadels and many remain stuck to this day. It's what many refer to as the "Hellcamp," and can be seen here: massivelyop . com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/evehellcampb-860x280.png 3:50 - CO2 is not dead yet, although....OK, they probably have a defibrillator on their proverbial chest 7:30 - it's HIGHLY unlikely CCP will unban Gigx. He has a reputation for a flaring temper, and has had similar issues with CCP in the past. Most of all, CCP takes doxing/abuse/harassment very seriously. Also, Gigx never threatened to cut off hands. That was a sensationalized title for a pcgamer article. If you actually read the article, you would know this is patently false (although seeing his words as "threatening" definitely qualify). Also, good on you for mentioning the mechanic that allows them get their items out for a "fee," known as Asset Safety. You might be surprised how many EVE players (and even CO2 members) didn't know about this.

[@soultec11]

From a goon member, CO2 is dead, dead, dead. Be a man and accept it. Death to traitors

[@iremembersleep3083]

read the chat logs. gigx repeatedy requested information on The Judge's IRL name, address, etc. and made further threats.

[@SpacekatTommy]

i never heard of it

[@dr.angerous]

literaltrance you should get a life or.change type.of.games you waste your time on. Your brain is clearly damaged

[@ernestb556]

krtek one.typing.like.this shouldn't be so hypocritical, as one might have brain damage themselves. As for game preference, why care about others pastimes? I don't see the need on calling someone out on a game they play, if they enjoy it ,good, that's the whole reason why games exist.

[@blacklight4720]

Next time I'm playing Planetside 2 lone-wolf and wonder how can 1 man have an impact. I'll think of the "judge"

[@rubiojose98]

Black Light I feel like planetside 2 is way funner when playing with a duo. Especially when harrassing with, well a harrasser

[@blacklight4720]

Im sure you are right,but my friends are not playing and socializing with entire clan is not my cup of tea. Still placing sandy's right has its benefits.

[@rubiojose98]

Black Light Ahh I see then. I just think it's nice when you have someone helping you cause mayhem to the other team

[@trippfields279]

Black Light when I play Planetside 2, I just go screw with enemy bases. Trolling Is fun.

[@blacklight4720]

Tripp Fields let me guess,hack vehicle consoles and and sniping everyone who comes near? Taking AA next to enemy warp gate and scare the shit out of ESF pilots?

[@johnnyboy90528]

This is why checks and balances exist.

[@WorldWalker128]

That can be exploited, too. No system is perfect. You just need to find the loopholes.

[@glorifiedng]

I don't Know either of the 2 main players in this entire thing but I feel for CO2 line in this. They failed to mention that the 20 day recover IIRC is [Edit fixed cost] 15% of the value of the items locked up. Please correct me if I am wrong. The worst part is CCP will do absolutely nothing about it. I have heard that The Judge may join up with the Gooswarm.. Good for them, they only want him for his resources he stole. (he is a self admitted "bad person") plus in about 5-6 years time, he will weasel his way into rank and rob them blind... Just when they least expect it... Bam! Can't wait for the next installment.

[@Terenin]

Goons show every day they learned nothing from BoB other than their shitty practices. BoB prided themselves on recruiting turncoats and traitors from everywhere they went, and was eventually betrayed in turn, the ultimate fate of all little clusters of shit like them. Now, goons do the exact same thing all the time. I won't be sorry for them when this inevitably happens to them, and I will enjoy spitting in the face of any ex-Goons coming my way looking for a new home.

[@DrSleepVC]

Ricky Dalme since the beginning ccp has encouraged this sort of thing. Like it or not, this is part of the game. A lot of people like it. Even the victims in this case will often times like this because of the drama they get to watch unfold

[@ttaibe]

It is 15%

[@glorifiedng]

Yeah upon further research, thats what I found.. I'll edit it to stop misinformation... I guess I heard fifty as fifteen :D thanks @ttaibe

[@glorifiedng]

I heard The Judge Biomassed his char... I wonder why he would do that? other than hate mails...

[@Zekurity]

It's crazy how people nowadays can get a hold of thousands of people who are willing to fight for you for nothing more than him just being your leader. I have myself held a faction of 24-25 thousands of people with around 2-4 thousand being active every day. It is quite crazy if I'm going to be honest but it's nothing more than normal politics and keeping the morale of the people up and running. Just get yourself like 5-6 generals who control 20-30 officers who in their turn control 100-500 sergeants who control the rest of the group. That way you're not doing the entire heavy lifting yourself and have others who take controll of it for you.

[@behelith]

It's just reflecting the real world, there's far more people who love to be sheep than people who love to live their own dreams.

[@maddycoleman6157]

Hahha bullshit pure yap yap you do or did no such thing ever .

[@gaminginhd4142]

Wow so many people you guys had control over sounds so badass Reminds me of the the old mw2 days when I made a clam and had about 45+ people a bunch of kids but it was so fun having my “ranks” and people recruting like crazy to rank up and then the funnest part was the clan battles and making my “staring lineups” many kids were heart broken from not being able to play in the matches but i only chose the best usually it was always my generals and officers in the starting lineups lol fun days 😓 im 24 now and play random games with friends.. maybe someday will go back to those times and i create something similar

[@warzone822]

It's kinda just how hierarchies function, you listen to your boss and if you grow to respect or admire them because they've treated you well and proved to be capable, that multiplies onto thier boss even though you know nothing about thier boss, and that can just chain on and on

[@TheFablekid]

Delegation is among the top most important points of leadership. So long as those you delegate to are trustworthy and hardworking

[@Senki99]

Play EVE for 2-3 years. You will be more realistic about IRL stuff and more protected against IRL scammers. You won't swallow all the sh*t everyone tries to pump down your throat and you will treasure real friends.

[@synergisticconsulting4152]

Seriously, such a good "safe" way to get a feel for how the real world works behind all the fake smiles and bullsheet.

[@lolzort123]

you better go get good at irl by not playing irl frends!!!

[@BigBoi653]

+Roman Rat That's the thing, you don't grow a brain from playing EVE. Everything that guy mentionned actually does the opposite of being smarter. At least you tried.

[@BigBoi653]

+Synapse Literally has nothing to do with the game itself, you don't get to have a more realistic experience than life itself since that's where the core of it is. This guy is just your typical neckbeard trying to tells us how real things are based on his own personal life.

[@AG.Floats]

lmao if you think playing a game is a good way to learn how the world works then you need to get outside more.

[@worksmagic89]

I remember trying to play this game a while back I was never able to get it started but now I'm kinda glad I didnt

[@SIMKYUSHA]

I feel you... Me too.

[@JAnx01]

Freelancer Discovery was good enough for me.

[@lukeskywalker4700]

Why :P

[@king_mega1670]

Lol i'm about to play the game but i won't be joining any groups!

[@mrlebanon6055]

Me too! I remember a guy approached me offering help and when I said I wont put money into the game he raged at me and kicked me out of his ship, then I understood what that game really was. Uninstalled it that day and never looked back until now😂 ( saw a suggestion about the shitty game for some reason)

[@Zer0kx]

"Haha now you're banned whatcha gonna do now?" Just wait until he actually cuts that other guys hands off. Those things happen you know. Especially if that much money is involved and an online game that might have been that other guys whole life where he is now banned.

[@sobreaver]

It's like casino, when you put in the money, you don't expect it to come back, be real with yourself. If this discourages you then the game is not for you, or else you gonna want to cut hands and kill people. It's plain simple, you don't play the game to make money, if you do, you don't get at all the bigger picture of the game. 'yeah mehh mehh mehh but the bigger picture makes me loose' hell yeah, loose your time and any money you'll put into it, don't be dumb, don't lie to yourself, it's just plain disrespectful to yourself and then you will want to blame others. You lost, too bad, that's just one of the many ways the game can go. BE REAL !

[@theprinceofalllightskins5093]

What an ass hole

[@ihavenonameforyou1]

I wont judge the guy that cuts his hands, he deserves it fully. I cant think of a logical reason why not to do it other than it being a crime, anything else is justified logically.

[@user-zu1ix3yq2w]

sobreaver it's not really about expecting it back tbh...

[@lyrrr.8059]

If you really think that cutting his hands of for a betrayal in an online game is justified, then you're a psychopath. No doubt about it.

[@gallendugall8913]

Tom Clancy books have subterfuge and betrayal? All I remember is the endless descriptions of how military hardware works.

[@mandalorian_guy]

Cardinal of the Kremlin is a good read and goes in to detail about defections and subterfuge.

[@gallendugall8913]

Matthew Watson there are Tom Clancy books and "Tom Clancy" books since his publisher had multiple ghostwriters churning out work with his name on it. Not sure if the ones you mention were ghostwritten but his early work like Red Storm Rising was very straightforward.

[@mandalorian_guy]

It was him (no ghost writer). You can usually tell when it's actually Clancy because he goes off on 2 page tangents about the littlest detail. It involves more of the CIA characters and only has one or two real fights in the book and focuses on getting a high ranking member of the USSR out of Moscow without letting their government know. The B plot is a bunch of Afghani fighters infiltrating Siberia to destroy an anti-satilite space laser complex.

[@realzire]

These two ranting is just satisfying. Even if I don't know what the video's about.

[@notapplicable7292]

Zire the fact there not even ranting shows your legit

[@allways28]

You're *

[@hsen.a]

Lmao exactly, So delightful to watch

[@kanedakrsa]

Eve online is a sandbox, think GTA but with a ton of complexity. These sorts of things happen every day, just on much smaller scales.

[@Shrike200]

There isn't really a need to know much when it's about EVE 'scandals' - it's always some guy in a position of trust who f***s over a whole bunch of people. The end. Just the number of people who get f**** over varies depending on the size of the organisation being f***** over, and the position of the guy who did it. The conversations that come up about it is normally more interesting than the actual event. Imagine a corporate asset theft, where the theft is accomplished by somebody with signing rights to all of the companies assets. They sign the stuff over to themselves/others, and disappear. Yes, it's about as exciting as it sounds. In the real world, they have to cover their tracks well of course, in EVE they just carry on doing whatever they want because there are no real serious repercussions, and everybody is immortal.

[@chroniquesJDR]

The Judge : *I'm gonna do what's called a pro player move*

[@hydra66]

this is probably how government works in real life

[@AndrewBlackMaster]

hydra66 You're not far wrong about that

[@NoOne-dj6rk]

Executive, Legilative, Judicial. That's 3 lmao

[@kikookikaboo7808]

You can take "probably" off your sentence...

[@user-ll3gt8jj3c]

What's weird is how accurately this models real-world economy. No matter how many times someone says they do things for the good of the people, at the end of the day that person will always choose their own fortune over the fortune of others. Nothing can be done about this, money has no tangible value and thus survival is dictated by subjective individualism.

[@CommanderM117]

indeed annoying it was goonswarm pulling string again

[@TheSilentStrife]

The people you vote for are irrelevant to what he just said.

[@andrewgodly5739]

Well they should try implementing democratic socialism. No elites/rulers exist, instead the people/community have collective control over their society. That way everyone has an equal say and there's no inequality of power, which means no one has the power to oppress or screw over others. Why give one person control over everyone and everything when you can instead give everyone control over everyone and everything?

[@markloeffler85]

Andrew Godly Actually. What you just described is literally just a democracy. A true democracy if you will. And that kind of government has historically never lasted for more them 200 years. Which is why America was originally supposed to be a Republic.

[@MrPmclh]

Now I'know why I'll never play EvE online.

[@andregon4366]

Getting 13 years of gameplay go down the drain and get banned on top of that. That makes two of us.

[@brutallica2944]

Yeah, thats just piss poor community AND developing/manageing. 13 years, and it counts for NOTHING. That game deserves to die

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

The company running the thing is really kind of crap. In the past the Dev's have taken sides and it seems like they did it again. My main beef with the company though is I played the joined game Dust 514 for like two or three years. IT wasn't a great game but I liked the idea and it was a very different take on a FPS. The game was in beta for like a year, went live despite being still broken with like two maps and one game mode. Struggled for something like the last year and then was shut down with little to no warning. Where they still sold the in game micro transaction boost and such pretty much up till the day it shut down. It was a horribly managed affair that never did half the stuff it promised. It made No Man's Sky look honest in comparison.

[@dagoogler01]

Gigx asked for anyone with The Judge's real life address to send him the information. He also has made threats in the past after acquiring another player's real life address. CCP did not ban him without any consideration. Pretty Good Gaming misrepresented the story here

[@Crosse1215]

Justa Guy dust 514 was my passion

[@mobiyus3282]

So many misunderstanding of the game in the comment section... The video did not properly explained that it is absolutely *allowed* to scam and steal from people in this game. It is expected that you will lookout for yourself in every way you can, because nobody else will. What is not allowed is making IRL threats. All conflicts must stay within the boundaries of the designed in-game mechanics. That's why GigX, the leader of CO2 was banned by CCP for his comments. Now the second thing, The Judge was not banned for the simple reason that, as mentioned above, what he as done is allowed and within the boundaries of the designed in-game mechanics. Some people blame the devs for designing the game in such a way that someone is even able to do that, to be able to ruin the game experience for thousands of players. Those people failed to understand the spirit of the game and what its goal is. It is expected that an alliance leadership will lookout for the security of its assets. CO2 failed to do that, as such, a lesson was learned that day, the hard way. Final thing about the legality of all this. The Judge did *not* steal 13000$ to GigX, he stole 1300 billions of in-game currency called Interstellar Kredit (isk) to GigX's organisation.The distinction is important for many reasons, but for starters: 1. ISK has no inherent value as it can only be used in a video game. You can convert RL Dollars to isk, which give us an exchange rate and a way to calculate IRL dollars value, but you *cannot* legally convert isk to IRL dollars. Therefore it is not IRL currency and does not fall under banking laws. Getting a lawyer on this is absolutely pointless. What The Judge has done is not a crime by any real-life law. 2. No player legally own anything in the damn game to start with, CCP does. That 13000$ is in CCP's pocket. As far as legality goes, nobody stole from nobody here. There is nothing to see.

[@estebangutierrez1458]

no body cares

[@distantknight29]

Loooong paragraph. Took me a while

[@theindooroutdoorsman]

Well.... He could argue in an appeal that the dude stole over three years of his life and that led to a momentary lapse in judgement.

[@sarraymuhammadghailan4519]

He can sell the account with irl dollar

[@theindooroutdoorsman]

@@sarraymuhammadghailan4519 ToS violation.

[@Surefire11B]

This is why I love Eve Online. It's one of the only games out there with so many possibilities that it's like playing your own HBO show. XD

[@Hives511]

The lannisters sent their regards...

[@cage5577]

Part 2, gamer gets his hands cut off over something in a game. But seriously, 13 years wasted. The should unban him for loyalty alone, just this once.

[@stevenwang5148]

Unfortunately, lawkeeping is blind and equal to everyone, no one is above it.

[@thatwhichbinds1727]

Azure Blackbird nope, he broke terms of service. He fuck ed up

[@alexzandate5807]

Lu Bu No, the guy who, from my knowledge, founded the group.

[@klavier285]

That guy should be on suicide watch after losing everything.

[@fangzea]

Or murder watch. I am still certain he is going to kill the guy.

[@ragw33d]

played eve for 6 years (06-12) then started working full time i ended up giving up on eve, logged on recently game has change quite a bit but the fun aspect for me had gone playing 18 hours a day most sitting about waiting didn't appeal to me anymore. it can be fun but finding a decent group that suits your needs can be hard lucky for me i found outbreak/invicta which to me was still one of best groups been part of

[@AmnzeroUK]

Ah Outbreak, their recruitment trailer is the sole reason I started playing EVE, even if I did end up in Razor haha

[@allanchurm]

its got worse ..player wait in safe zones to kill of new players..to get there stuff that took days of farming to buy

[@MountainKing626]

“There’s a long story about that on Kotaku” Welp. No one will see THAT story

[@vincetravis70]

this story is down right incredible. ive had business fallouts in games like wow and runescape perhaps a couple crafting games ya know, but this scam here is astronomical in comparison

[@DarthRamzes]

Vince Burke hehe "astronomical" ^^

[@vincetravis70]

my word that is awesome

[@hellblaze10]

literally

[@Terenin]

It wasn't a scam, but a betrayal. A scam is an elaborate plan to screw over a stranger to get their money, this was a case of 'let me take everything we have all worked for and fuck over everyone else that took part in making to happen' - betrayals take no effort, no real planning, no capacity for subterfuge, it only take a decision to fuck everyone over, and then enacting that decision whenever prudent.

[@crimzonez]

For those that are confused here is what happened in text + some extra bits*... Circle of Two (CO2) were a group of about 4K players that had lots of in-game space money. Their leader, gigX was fairly brutal in his commands/orders and although they were somewhat effective most people didn't like him. A CO2 diplomat, The Judge, quoted that he didn't like the way he was treated by gigX later on. He had access to practically the whole of CO2s assets, which is thought to have equated to about +1trillion ISK (over 10k US dollars). The Judge stole some of this for himself and sold the rest of it to a rival of CO2, Goonswarm. After this gigX threatened to cut The Judges' hands off and then he got banned. CO2 is extremely unlikely to come back from this as all their assets are in a Keepstar (A very big and very expensive space station) and they can't/will struggle to get them out. However, it is still possible, just extremely unlikely. The EVE community is showing some empathy to CO2 members as billions and possibly trillions of their private assets are locked away for a while unless they pay a fee to get them released. Goonswarm show no signs of changing ownership of these space stations due to the fact that they aren't short on in game money. *This is what happened to the best of my knowledge which is mainly from within EVE, I am not in either of these alliances so I don't know what exactly happened. This is what I have learned from in-game chat and the EVE subreddit. Thanks for reading and if you have any questions feel free to comment and I will try to answer them to the best of my ability.

[@RandoGrunt]

Yeah, CO2's likely not to survive from this. It's like the fall of BoB all over again! Only just circumstances, reasonings, etc. are a bit different.

[@dr.angerous]

Crim get a life.

[@Sticker6181]

More informative than this video, thanks!

[@crimzonez]

JohnnyBoy3000 You're welcome! I did enjoy the video however they left out The Judges reasons for pulling this off.

[@cocoxcocoa]

A guy pretty much ruined 13 years of work and the devs banned the guy for being upset!? thats bs right there.

[@goofypineapple1277]

Canadian Bacon The dude that got banned was making real life threats by saying he was going to cut off his hands and even looking for his address lmao. He deserved it

[@fangzea]

And CCP don't care if this actually makes the man kill the other dude. It will just end up as another EVE story.

[@JPax-og5ip]

Nah, they banned the guy for threatening behaviour. If someone upsets me, and I cut his hands off, your way of thinking implies it's okay to do what I (hypothetically) did. It doesn't SEEM fair, but in all honesty even the pirates are usually polite while they blackmail you/destroy you.

[@blackmetal4546]

Honestly if that had happened to me I would be making some pretty serious threats as well.

[@lokeknot9682]

What are you talking about dude? I agree, it is not just a game, but it is a game never the less! In any case, making real life threats, is not ok! There is no fair game in that, and I'm pretty sure your "friends" in the FBI would agree to that xD

[@AlaaHossam]

8:47 wrong, it's either you have real life or play eve, and you can't do both.

[@JimBobJoeB0b]

Alaa Hossam I accept your challenge. Gonna start playing EvE, see how much I can get away with.

[@deceny5155]

@@JimBobJoeB0b So, did you start playing ?

[@vaultboy8564]

@@JimBobJoeB0b you will be remembered

[@JimBobJoeB0b]

vault Boy 5 months later I haven’t even started LOL Something new to do before the year is out...

[@thosethickstrings]

@@JimBobJoeB0b How about now?

[@killpioo2]

Honestly he probably did that guy a massive favor. These games eat your life

[@Morrigi192]

The running joke is that the only way one can win EVE is to stop playing.

[@IllyrianStrength]

Yea its inevitable, "the bigger they are the harder they fall."

[@snipersnest6088]

Indeed. It sucks up years you never get back.

[@bozmania1]

Sounds like world of war craft, but dumber

[@yourlocalpunkposer8107]

Roman Rat "Instead I'm just going to give up and play on a Eve Online, because that's the same as owning my own house or car"

[@Synystr7]

I remember the crane operator at work was telling me that (this was in 2014 some time...) "a large group of russians" had fought a war to control a large section of space and all the gates leading to it. They had taken advantage of squabblings between their western neighbours and their advantage of no one being on due to their time zones to completely engulf almost all of previously held corporate territory. And this final move was all started due to a russian infiltrator who was like 5th in command in one of the large corporations, betrayed them by leading a massive trade convoy into an ambush. This lead to the loss of massive ships and huge amounts of money between two massive corporations and the russians just moved in and swept up the crumbs. People were calling for the devs to do something. The devs were like: sucks to be you.

[@stevenwang5148]

Welp, it's a sandbox game, you assume all risks when you get into it.

[@bigbadbob7070]

Steven Wang especially the Russians, you always gotta watch out for the Red Menace

[@fangzea]

The game requires conflict to exist. The DEVS reinforce the idea and even put more reasons to have war in the game. I just wish people understood that game is about PVP and anything that supports it. It is not about starting a family or making a nice home somewhere with all your accomplishments, its about you killing another person to take his shit or home and then defending against someone else taking it from you.. forever.

[@dannygelbart6827]

Pretty much this.

[@stevenwang5148]

In EVE, there are 2 kinds of people, the greedy and the quick. Everyone else is dead.

[@OkamiiSenpai]

Taking "toxic community" to a whole new level

[@jeremydaly8293]

Okami I know a guy who specifically just plays as a merc who works for moral causes. Runs a company that takes the stupidest, worst paying jobs to help the little guy.

[@mikaelwolgast2705]

its just politics really. ppl are generaly pretty chill but when it comes to highlevel alliance politics it can be pretty cutthroat

[@Nightlurk]

They deserve every bit of grief and trolling they get for being idiots and wasting their lives on that pos.

[@XiaolinDraconis]

So what pos do you waste your life on? Please do enlighten us to the meaning of life.

[@manictiger]

+Xiaolin Draconis You either replied to the wrong thread or are very insecure. No one said anything to trigger your response.

[@wesleypatterson2267]

livestreaming someone threatening you in a game so they'll get banned from said game is probably the most chad thing I've ever heard of

[@Thor-Orion]

When you’ve done all you can to provoke them? Where I come from they’re called Narcs, and they usually get dealt with via screeching tires and a hail of bullets. Is that what the name “Chad” translates to in dorkanese?

[@decrulez]

@@Thor-Orion man how much of a pussy are you that you’re threatening to kill somebody over a game lmao grow up

[@Thor-Orion]

@DecRulez96 who did I threaten?! Hahaha. I said that where I’m from people don’t take to games like that kindly. I don’t even play video games online. But to my understanding Eve players dump hundreds of thousands of hours of their lives into this game (which is frankly something I can’t understand, but to each their own). I’ve known plenty of people who would retaliate violently for far, far less. But I guess my personal experience of seeing friends gunned down for nonsense has desensitized me to violence. But it IS funny that you think you can just skate through life doing whatever you want to whoever you want and face no repercussions. Maybe it’s your outlook that’s childish.

[@decrulez]

@@Thor-Orion lmao touch grass kid

[@Thor-Orion]

@DecRulez96 right, because I’m the one replying to year old comments?

[@stagarmsm4]

had this happen to me on a much much much smaller scale a couple years ago. haven't played since.

[@fangzea]

You are not alone.

[@harpdedarpdooweee1107]

Basically, only gankers get anywhere in this game, and they only get where they are by nepotism with people that have been playing since the game's release. Farmer enthusiasts need not apply

[@doggosuki]

so basically this judge guy stole 13 years of the CO2 leader's life?

[@DAshBFJEY]

John Ham man thats funny

[@Mictla155]

Lol, yep.

[@sobreaver]

If people wouldn't have invested their time in the game, the Judge wouldn't have stole shyt from anyone. So people exposed themselves to the possibility, quite aware of the trust issue of collaboration, it's been like that since the dawn of ages. Didn't you read or listened to any stories at all in your lifetime ? Be objective, don't lie to yourself like that, it's disrespectful to yourself and others that you are trying to blame for your own decision to dip in this pond of shyt lol

[@doggosuki]

You sound like a pseudointellectual

[@joshua7426]

Basically no as he didn't steal anything.. it's a video game. Who cares

[@bradleycooper4599]

First rule of Eve Online ... Trust no one less you can punch them in the face in real life! Second rule of Eve Online ... Trust no one less you can punch them in the face in real life!

[@103035icle]

Bradley Cooper so it defeats the point of playing a game.

[@Shadowwalker1717]

Imagine being the president of a massive multiplayer SciFi game, with extremely complexity... but in real life you are unemployed and so you have the time to be the president there. Imagine be part of a organization in EVE meet all your mates in real life in a Cafe and talked about the game with all their complexity and all the plans you have and discuss and all the normies around you can't believe shit because it sounds like the world is real and you all living a secret life in space.

[@gabrielsatter]

Somehow, these two guys packed 2 minutes of info into 9.5 minutes of confused, banal chatter.

[@a64738]

That is how youtube work, usually 10,00001 minutes to get the commercials.

[@Jacob-sb3su]

I garnered more from the youtube comments about this story than I did the actual video

[@Fudgeoff6628]

they kept on repeating stuff, and delayed getting to the meat of the story as much as possible

[@alexilaiho1st]

I literally have an extension just for stuff like this, to block channels who do this, it's irritating when some idiot takes 10min to tell me something he can tell me in 1 min... waste of my time... Thanks "Video Blocker".

[@prussia1557]

I am going to try to explain this to non-EvE players This is how EvE is, has been, and always will be. Bigger hiests have happened. Eve is complex. The politics is strange. Yes, politics. Several "Corporations" (I.E player owned Nation states) are around. They are competing for power and resources. There has been wars, spying, sabotage. The heist this guy did is against the douchebags of the game. I say The Judge took those pricks down a notch. In Eve EVERYTHING is fair game. There are little to no rules in EvE. You go on EvE and you should expect the worst of everyone.

[@JonathanFarmer100]

AwesomePrussia27 gaming my dude, after seeing this, I want to get in on it lol Is it worth it?

[@mikaelwolgast2705]

@AwesomePrussia27 gaming you are only wrong on 1 point. it actualy is the biggest hiest in the game so far.

[@prussia1557]

DankSouls&FashionBorne It has a high learning curve. But once you get into it, it is neat. I recommend looking to Pandemic Horde. It is Pandemics Newbie legion.

[@prussia1557]

Mikael Wolgast I thought that guy who stole a one of a kind Capitol Ship was the biggest heist. My bad. It gas been a bit since I have been on EvE.

[@mikaelwolgast2705]

and i wuld recomend karmafleet. a new player friendly corp in goonswarm @AwesomePrussia27 gaming easy mistake to make there have been a few big ones before after all

[@AndrewBrownK]

Huh..... I suppose the Mitani and associates *did* say they'd get the last laugh... and revenge.... wow....

[@sobreaver]

lol 'get the last word Ima get the last laugh' =]

[@Agent_Clark]

I just quit after 5 years and i must say. I fucking loved it.

[@highlandrab19]

fucking hell man i hope gigx doesn't kill himself over this it sounds like his entire life has been ripped away from him

[@Toutong_]

+highlandrab19 EVE players are pretty aware that those shit can happen at any given time, if he was sensible at a point to kill himself over that he would have quitted the game 13 years ago.

[@rcmunro22]

EVE players are often well educated, middle class, well off people. They know at the end of the day it's a game, it's just a mother fuckin high stakes game.

[@xDP02]

Some of us really are tied to their characters though, it's like taking our digital soul away from us. The character in EVE Online is something lots of people identify with and care about the reputation they got with it. A new char will never feel the same

[@viktoriyaserebryakov2755]

He keeps tabs of people in real life so he can 'pay them a visit' when they turn their back on him. He kind of had it coming.

[@EarthScienceEnjoyer]

piece of shit for betraying your friends. seriously. psychopathic backstabbers like that are the worst kind of human trash.

[@metazare]

Still not as funny as the time the eve developers pushed out a patch that bricked windows machines.

[@diegodlv1001]

Metazare could you explain? I dont play eve but love stories that come from it and this one sounds fun.

[@metazare]

It was years ago, but should be easy enough to find with a search. They essentially pushed out a patch that installed itself to the root of the users C drive and installed itself over the operating system, or something to that effect. Edit: Was back around 2007 and affected windows xp machines. Some idiot on the dev team put a backslash in the wrong place and when you installed the patch it ate your computers boot.ini file at the root of the C drive. Replacing it with it's own file, which was foolishly also labeled boot.ini.

[@iainansell5930]

really? been playing since closed beta and never heard of that.....

[@metazare]

It's a bit tricky to find now but if you search on google or duckduckgo, "eve online patch bricks xp computers" you'll find a bunch of articles talking about it.

[@DavidM_10]

I don't play Eve, but it actually pisses me off that the developers banned the victim for a totally understandable show of emotion, and have apparently not punished the real culprit. Wow. How is it even possible for one guy -- who isn't even the group leader -- to give away all of a faction's space stations? That's ridiculous. Nobody should have that kind of power in-game, surely. Sounds like a major design flaw.

[@fangzea]

CCP is a toxic company.

[@angelrivera2339]

If this guy carries out this threat, then the company could be sued if they did nothing about it. The game universe exists with its own rules, then there is the real world. the Judge stole the money, but it is game money. The guy that you are feeling bad about threatened to cut the judge's hands and asked people for the home address of the Judge. that is the real world and CCP could be held liable if the judge is harmed by this guy if they don't do anything to show that they take the safety of the costumers seriously. They banned him for crossing the line into the real world. he could have threatened to hunt down the Judge across the in-game universe and he would not have been banned.

[@danielgray1394]

Thing is, the Judge can suffer retribution in-game (unlikely though considering the scope of wealth/power, just like real life) by in game mechanisms, governments, policing, etc. It is when these matter leave the game or violate the ToS that bans and account action is taken.

[@danielgray1394]

And also that flaw would have existed within the faction's internal hierarchy or constitution, not with the game itself.

[@irllcd13]

Referring the Gig as a victim is idiotic. He was the EVE equivalent of AIDs. The game is better without him in it.

[@ambidextrousandre]

This.. should be made into a movie. Honestly. If you can get all the players to relive those shitty moments and create a movie out of it.. wouldn't that be spectacular. This is a very amazing and awesome story.

[@patrickkerns6716]

The only way to win EVE is to stop playing. If I hadn't stopped I never would have been able to get my doctorate.

[@KegstandOG]

You sir are a genius! I also just stopped. Just not worth the heartache. My wife used to be like: Honey you worked 60 hours this week and you have been up 2 days straight working at this video game you have 2 more days off please sleep a few hours before your next work week starts lol. She was like you put more hours into this and get paid nothing and you are always angry never seem like you are having fun.

[@DarthKato]

That person who did this better watch his back. Because I feel like he probably is on a hit list right as we speak. I mean, I've seen WoW players kill each other over a single weapon or the like. But this is on a whole another scale.

[@DJAfter8]

You've seen WoW players kill each other irl over a single weapon? Source?

[@graycarlyle8627]

His ar se.

[@soultec11]

DarthKato, provide your source or shut your PIEHOLE.

[@Nevir202]

DarthKato Links don't usually work in comments. Hence nobody other than you can see the post in which you linked to a source. On the other hand, I'm not sure why people are such trash that they can't just Google it. Literally five seconds to type in "killed over World of Warcraft" into a search bar but they can't be fucking bothered.

[@DarthKato]

+Nevir202 Thanks. I didn't know that links didn't work. And yeah, this is the internet, so there is people like that everywhere.

[@Saciachrid]

I'm just waiting for these two to make a ramble of the ages. They have the ability, just some company needs to set it off.

[@Pauly421]

The weeb wars LMAO I love this story. Can't imagine the soul crushing rage that Giga x guy must have felt though lerl

[@king_mega1670]

If giga would have never been baned then he would have problably killed judge irl!

[@king_mega1670]

Besides that! This could be used as a movie plot!

[@BenjerminGaye]

No one man should have all that power.

[@Nomans_Nomen]

So the game with only 30k players just lost 4k players more? How many players in that corporation do you think will return when they have to start from scratch? "Very, very few", is a safe estimate. This is endemic of the games flawed core mechanics. These guys were obliterated to the point of not recovering for years, if they really even bothered to try. This is not a healthy pattern. This leads to EVE losing huge chunks of veteran players with every coup, while fewer and fewer players and corporations are leftover every time. One corporation left standing is the only way this goes. It's like some sad darwinistic experiment instead of a game, that mirrors the pattern of real life a little too closely. "Humans will keep killing each other until only one remains, the strongest among you. A thousand years from now, a dimwitted, human barbarian will climb to the top of a pile of bones, sit down, and proclaim, "I win." - Iorveth, The Witcher 2 EVE's game world lit its' own fuse a long time ago, and the sadist devs keep blowing on it just to see the inevitable final explosion.

[@CHURCHISAWESUM]

Most of them stuck around and were absorbed into other corporations. This is part of the null game and is tbh expected to happen once in a while. I've come back from worse wipes (wormhole space where there is no way to save or evac assets during eviction) three times without much of a problem. Skills and methods of making isk are the real value, not the ships themselves.

[@chickenballs-balls]

I don't get this, don't they have in-game mechanics to stop this from happening? Like transfer of currency should be limited to x amount at x amount of time or must be reviewed by x amount of people? Seems like a pretty easy thing to avoid.

[@supralevamentum223]

former eve player here: id say 1/3 of them rage quit for good, 1/3 play less, 1/3 continue as they were

[@ShadowMudkip123]

Totally not Darkstalker Kaathe I'm a bit sad not because I play the game, but because I enjoy hearing these things pop up in magazines and gaming news every now and then. High stakes and high losses; I feel guilty for keeping an eye out for these stories.

[@maffiozo08]

Game doesnt have only 30 000 players. Its approximately 20 000-30 000 players online every given time you moron.

[@dannycurtis3575]

Sounds like the Judge turned a 1 to a 0.

[@GuardianCitadel]

it happens in EVE over, and over, and over, and over. It's not because anyone's doing anything wrong, it's literally how the player structure works. The player 'corp' (guild) permissions system is built on you either having access to nothing or you have access to everything. As a result, a group of thousands of people may only have six or less people who can actually manage it who have access to every pot, kettle, and kitchen.

[@MrPopo-yo3tb]

wow this Eve Online game sure sounds fun, doesnt it....

[@dangernoodle8813]

yea , but it's p2w...

[@CPtracker080]

TheRaellz whats shitty about the progression system? I havent played the game yet

[@SvenTviking]

This is the trouble with all PvP games. You end up playing with bad people and nutters! Cheats, glitchers and in this case, backstabbers. Nice people get screwed and game admin normally assists. Not a nice experience, and if I was a member if CO2, I wouldn’t go back to EVE and I’d advise others not to start. It’s certainly put me off playing, and I’ll bet it’ll lead to violence somewhere and at sometime.

[@CPtracker080]

Thats just human nature not the games fault lol

[@walmartian]

the people who lose this much in EVE went out of their league, did not have the social/political skills to be where they were. they underestimated their friends and enemies, like the video says the clan was stupid for giving one guy that much power. it's not like you load up eve and you automatically lose $13000. you have to be a trusting idiot who failed to think of any security means. they stated there was some kind of falling out between him and the leader, who then failed to take action to secure his clans assets. it's the same in the real world if your a nice person but you tend to leave your wallet out on the sidewalk or take some random guy you met and tell him to manage your bank account then it's kind of your fault if that doesn't end well.

[@MrRomanrin]

WAIT the devs PERMA BAN ... a guy that played the game for 13 years ?!?!!? ... and NOT the guy that stole 13000$ from a guild ????? WHAT ?!

[@khegvanhellsink6499]

Imperiom no. That’s incuraged by the game it self. And it’s not the first time. BoB was bigger and lost more.

[@khegvanhellsink6499]

Goon was behind that one

[@khegvanhellsink6499]

Imperiom infact there’s game trailer that’s talks about how you can be that guy :P

[@douglasb7075]

Here is the trailer that explains what is incuraged in the game in this matter watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I

[@QuesterDesura]

scamming is allowed in this game. threatening to kill others not.

[@remrens9624]

That's heartbreaking. Daily reminder that no human can be trusted.

[@Jonathanlouisa]

I learned that from playing Rust.

[@jacobuswille9277]

Heartbreaking or fucking glorious? "Welcome to Eve" i say

[@WorldWalker128]

I remembered reading about EVE's biggest war YEARS ago in a gaming magazine, but up until then I'd never even heard about the game. And frankly, from everything I've heard about this game, good and bad, that it really isn't worth playing. When i play a game, I play for fun. A game that's like a second job isn't fun, it's work. Work that I'm not getting paid for, and need MYSELF to pay in order to play at all. You dudes have fun if that's what you're into, but I'm not.

[@JHS270694]

I agree. Those falling Into the sunken cost fallacy won't. I still enjoy reading about EVE and watching videos about it but I wouldn't play it myself due to the aforementioned points you've already mentioned.

[@matthewwilson5019]

@@JHS270694 i agree

[@Vajrapani108]

It seems like the perfect example of escapism. Thankfully my actual life is not as bad

[@xlar8or]

Still a better love story than Twilight

[@TheLastSane1]

Dude 2008 called, it wants its meme back.

[@keyo3634]

@@TheLastSane1 lol

[@aylbdrmadison1051]

A rotting log filled with murky, stagnant water is a better love story.

[@johanandersson2165]

TheLastSane1 did you just assume their gender ?

[@competetodefeat4610]

Twilight is less gay than people who give a shit about this game...

[@lrmcatspaw1]

And thats why you dont give one guy all the power... even more so when he has no incentive at all to stay honest.

[@nicholasroberts8378]

I love EO stories, because it is like a real! The wars, the intrigue, the economy and just how everything is player run. It is amazing and I probably would read a book on the in game history of the game. Never played it and don't plan on it because I have heard it is pretty meh game and it's pay to win mainly but still an interesting concept.

[@snigie1]

Let's not forget the time zopiclone stole roughly 100 billion from CODE.& accidentally got loyalanon banned at the same time!