It's a Camping Episode Cause it's Intense! - Doctor Who (2024) Season 1 Eps 3 Reaction

Adam and Jay react, review, riff, and rate the third, explosive, episode of Doctor Who.
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[@stephencoppins9467]

The Villengard are also a callback to Series 1 (2005) episodes The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, where the Doctor tells Captain Jack Harkness, The he blew up a Villengard weapons factory and planted banana trees on the site, because bananas are good

[@Surfboarder4]

Moffat's first episodes!

[@thysens]

It’s also the planet where the 12th Doctor encounters Rusty in “Twice Upon A Time”.

[@VBane]

Faith is a wonderful thing if it helps you face questions without answers, but a dangerous thing if it keeps you from looking for answers or even asking questions. I feel thats how The Doctor feels about it too.

[@stephencoppins9467]

This is Season 40 of Doctor Who (1963), for those of us who have been watching since the classic era. 😜

[@avmavm777]

Series 40

[@TheMess9898]

I like looking at this way too. Watching since Pertwee!

[@davidclayton579]

Season 40, series 3, episode 3 to me. I'm happy to hear someone else call it season 40.

[@avmavm777]

@@davidclayton579 series 40!

[@Jim_The_Fish]

I’ve literally been calling it Season 40/ Series 14/ Season 1 lol

[@ChanceKistler]

"I am a complex space-time event" is something the 7th Doctor told an enemy in the audio drama AFTERLIFE by Matt Fitton. He then launched into "I am the Oncoming Storm! Ka Faraq Gatri! Destroyer of Worlds!"

[@therealpbristow]

The phrase was first used in a short story by Stephen Moffat, in one of the "Short Trips" anthologies.

[@ChanceKistler]

@@therealpbristow neat! do you remember which one? Just curious.

[@therealpbristow]

​@@ChanceKistler Hmm, my reply from this morning has been eaten, it seems. The story is actually in the collection "Decalog 3: Consequences", published by Virgin, and it's called "Continuity Errors". If you can get hold of a copy, treasure it, because it will almost certainly never be reprinted. (And no, you can't borrow mine! =;o} )

[@ChanceKistler]

@@therealpbristow Oh wow! yeah, i'm aware of how hard it is to find Continuity Errors, lol. That's a great pull, thanks for sharing!

[@erinmccabe1984]

Love watching Adam looking over at Jay with concern everytime a parent/father moment happened. Knowing him so well.

[@LM11116]

It's the "first season" so that they can put it on D+, not because they were like "we need to be #1" but because the streaming rights for the other New Who seasons are elsewhere

[@ClintBandito]

They'd still call it 1 again even if they had the others, because 13 or even 39 series/seasons is intimidating and they want audiences to comfortably jump on board. On BBC iPlayer in the UK it's Season 1 of Doctor Who (2023-) with all of Doctor Who (2005-2022) & Doctor Who (1963-1989) being available. It's a marketing tactic to make it feel accessible.

[@aBloodyMonk3y]

As soon as my friend and I saw that this was a Moffat episode, we took guesses as to how long it would take for him to try and off Ruby. Classic Moffat

[@G0d_Ginrai]

It’s how the scales are balanced. -Moffat kills companions. -RTD kills everyone else.

[@jasonmarbach]

I was wondering if y’all would clock that Mundy Flynn is played by Verada Sethu, who plays everyone’s favorite cold, ruthless spy/assassin in Andor

[@TheMess9898]

And the Doctor's companion next season. 😊

[@jasonmarbach]

@@TheMess9898 River Song would be so disappointed in you

[@soundgal_sine_qua_non]

So yes, this version of the military was introduced in Moffat's Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone episodes, and was seen throughout his run. It's essentially the Anglican Church going full military in the 51st Century (known as the Church of the Papel Mainframe). The faith commentary sits better with me after a second watch. We know that the Doctor isn't opposed to faith overall (Eleven was thrilled when the woman in The God Complex was Muslim), but in times of stress, anger, or grief, it's easy to lash out at the concept. I saw this on another video and have really loved it - Faith and reason are like shoes. It's easier to run with both than it is one. Even if your faith isn't religious, there are things you can't always see that you end up having to put your trust in, like the Doctor trusting that the AI Dad would come through.

[@pwalmsley9]

I had a similar uncomfortable reaction relating to the faith element the first time I watched the episode, but the Doctor's commentary towards the end did help.

[@tmatthewnielsen]

The impression I get is they're fine with faith as long as it's not Christian faith.

[@Jim_The_Fish]

@@tmatthewnielsennah, it’s blind faith the Doctor doesn’t like. This has been made apparent since 2005.

[@darkphoenix6807]

But technically, by the definition of faith, doesn’t all faith have to be blind? If you can see it, then it’s not really faith.

[@therealpbristow]

@@darkphoenix6807 If your faith is blind, you're doing it wrong, IMHO. You have to see and accept what's visible, while also accepting that there are some things you can't see. Terrible things can happen when people start refusing to believe what's visible and should be obvious, because it conflicts with their long-held assumptions/beliefs about the invisible.

[@VBane]

I don't think Villengard will be an ongoing thing, because its not a new thing we already know how it ends. In The Doctor Dances (Moffat's first story) Captain Jack says his blaster is from the weaponyards of Villengard, which blew up. The 9th Doctor implies he was responsible for that and says there is a banana grove there now. A War Doctor comic actually showed those events. In Twice Upon A Time (Moffat's last episode) the 12th and 1st Doctors actually visited the ruins of Villengard to find Rusty, the rogue Dalek.

[@KBRoller]

Oh, man, I *hope* Brennan watches Who, because this is absolutely his bread, butter, and BBEG. This was such a great episode; loved the message, loved the writing, loved the concept, loved the acting. Ruby's tearful "who is my next of kin?" got me choked up, and the Doctor's pure venom during his exchange with Mundy was beautiful! (The whole, "do you get-get-get it?" and the conversation that followed... *chef's kiss* ) And that's how it always works: people with faith have blind faith for things they like, but when it's something they don't want to hear, *that* is when faith is suddenly no longer enough and proof to their standards is required. "We're fighting evil people for freedom and God? Sure, let's go in guns and bombs blazing without question! Oh, you want us to save you, you non-believer? I need proof of a reason I should!" Next time there's a tragedy and someone says "thoughts and prayers" without actually helping, I'm sending them this and wishing upon them many sharp scratches.

[@IceMetalPunk]

This comment was me from my work account, but for the Capitalist Engagement Gods, I second myself here anyway! 😁

[@Marvelousgamer7697]

What a surprisingly incredible episode! I wasn't expecting this episode to go as hard as it did. 😭 I guess I should expect this type of thing from Doctor Who. Going from a nice space baby's episode to a really cool episode with the musical number to the next episode being "TRAUMA!" 😭

[@kay-jay1581]

I’m loving this season so much! I’m obsessed 😂 Can’t wait for tomorrow 😃

[@randalsspinkle]

I wasn't ready for a Brennan Lee Mulligan reference. lol.

[@Void_Cowboy]

Me either, want to see them react to some D20 now

[@Zayber129]

The fandoms have connected!!

[@nocturne8333]

This is a great return for Villengard (seen in Twice Upon a Time and mentioned in The Doctor Dances) and the Church of the Papal Mainframe (seen in series 5-7). It’s also got Moffat’s favourite themes of artificial afterlives, and technological systems running amock without humanity to temper it.

[@TorIverWilhelmsen]

Yes, same Anglican religious army in the Weeping Angels episode.

[@JonathanMartinez-ei4up]

It takes really good writing to be able to spend an entire episode standing on a land-mine…Also its great for the budgets bottom line lol. Mines that trigger spontaneous combustion are very terrifying, and very good sci-fi. It’s a Gambit Rumba.

[@jasonmarbach]

I watched this episode with my 11 year old daughter, who is new to Who this season (we’re going to go back and watch earlier new Who later). I used to watch with her older sister, and my oldest daughter’s favorites are Matt Smith and Amy Pond. So I was already a sobbing mess, watching this beautiful (and absolutely scathing) episode with such wonderful fatherhood themes mixed in with incendiary social commentary screeds, and then they had to go and say “fish fingers and custard.” 😭😭😭

[@The45thClown]

I believe the re numbering of season back to 1 was down to rights, if it was a continuation then distribution could be tied to old contract. This is a clean break. The argument to say references the old shows means it should be 14 is equally floored because 2005 referenced the 1963 series, so it should be series 40 (or whatever).

[@swiftlymurmurs]

It's like how Nickelodeon shows kept starting over under a new name (Suite Life of Z & C -> Suite Life On Deck) after season 3, because longer running shows got more rights, and if it had a new name it was technically a whole new show. Sometimes studios just pull shenanigans due to contractual technicalities and it has little to do with the actual product

[@FromRussiaWithLuv007]

Moffat wanted “thoughts & prayers” to be one of those things like “exterminate”

[@heathriley3692]

Old Who started in 1963, and has 26 series/seasons through 1989 with the 7th Doctor. The 2005 series is the Moffat Who, starts with Series/Season 1 instead of Series/Season 27, and has 13 seasons, taking it to Season 39. This is the Disney Who, so they're starting with Series/Season 1, again, and The Doctor is referencing Old Who, as well as Moffat Who, rather than Series/Season 14/40. That's the way I figure it.😁

[@AmazingChi]

2005 started with RTD in charge as well. This is RTD2: Electric Whogaloo.

[@randalsspinkle]

Can we just talk about how well this episode utilized the "Volume" tech? Also, Villengard was first mentioned in Moffat's first story "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances" and appeared in what WAS his final story "Twice Upon A Time".

[@djgeigerman]

“Moffat has been lifting in the offseason.” 😂😂😂😂

[@ernstfrutphlinguhr2494]

He’s not gone, he’s just dead. Damn.

[@chapmanturbo4082]

A bombastic episode of season 40. (I am a cynical old dinosaur so all this season renumbering is evil) The collars go back to the Smith era with River and Weeping angels.

[@michaeljeacock]

I love Jay insisting this is not season 1 because it references previous episodes even though it referenced the 1st doctor last week and he isn't insisting this is season 40.

[@michaeljeacock]

also, if any show can have an episode 3/4 of season 1/14/40, it is doctor who. wibbly wobbly timey wimey.

[@gaztheman7879]

They did come back to it in the ninth doctor story the empty child episode as captain jacks gun is from them. And the doctor blew up the whole company as he had visited them once and blew up the factory.

[@AndrewCBateman]

Season one of start trek voyager reference things that happened in seasons of DSN and TNG. It's still season one because it's a new show in the same universe and with some of the same characters.

[@grump9001]

Canto is the most tragic red shirt guy I've ever seen, Moffat really screwed him, wow

[@Jim_The_Fish]

Canto, and O’Donnell from Before the Flood with Capaldi and Clara. Give us two characters who can’t admit they’re in love, and kill one of them off right when they start to figure it out. Good ole Moffat.

[@grump9001]

@@Jim_The_Fish aww jim the fish.. lol. and ohh yeah I remember that one now. Oof, Moffat is a sadist lol

[@AmazingChi]

Moffat in RTD eras just hits different. You can argue S1 and S4 (NewWho) but at the very least, all of his episodes are contenders for story of the season. And, here we are again, history potentially will repeat. This was arguably his biggest test yet, and I'm so pleased he didn't fumble.

[@ocdgeek4449]

The "Season 1" is a legal thing to cover both Disney and The BBC's asses so they could keep making Doctor Who. Legally, (HBO) Max has the exclusive streaming right for NuWho and any future seasons (Remember, THEY were gonna be The BBC's co-funding partners until that part of the plan got Zaslaved) for a long ass time from now. In order to make more Who and not get sued into oblivion, this had to be a legally distinct third Doctor Who TV show with a first season and everything.

[@TheMess9898]

MAX didn't have rights to future seasons just the past. Disney+ has the rights with a partnership with the BBC. BBC and Bad Wolf retained full rights to all Who and sold current and future streaming to Disney. Disney is also putting some money into the show.

[@darkphoenix6807]

What I loved about this episode is that the acting so was good on Ncuti’s part, that I was tense the whole time even though there was no chance he could die.

[@jasonmarbach]

Y’all already know I was refreshing nonstop waiting ❤️❤️❤️ slop goblins, unite!

[@TheMess9898]

Disney money on parade! They helped send them a version of the Volume tech they use for the Star Wars series to Bad Wolf studios in Wales. That why the backgrounds look so incredible.

[@seamusburke639]

Yup, the same tech THE MANDALORIAN uses. The backgrounds at the end were my favorite. They didn't look "real", but they still looked stunning.

[@andrewaston8003]

Villengard was already beaten by Nine. Mentioned in the Doctor Dances.

[@therealpbristow]

Well, at least one factory. No way to be sure they don't have others out there...

[@Doctor2285]

Mundy Flynn was played by Varada Sethu who also played Cinta Kaz in Andor.

[@willparks3429]

Thought you looked familiar couldn't place where, thanks

[@grump9001]

I love how many people I've watched say "Right, gotta Indiana Jones it" cuz it makes complete sense XD Loved this episode besides the little girl, and the few odd Moffaty lines that didn't land, or felt too much like Clara. Otherwise, it is a masterpiece. Also, I loved the "Is this a tight 5..? Or like a Dragon Ball Z 5...?" XD

[@Dominus62680]

"Moffat's been lifting in the off season," that line killed me LOL 🤣

[@seamusburke639]

Dude came back like Agassi after the divorce.

[@Dominus62680]

@@seamusburke639 DAAAAAAYUM! 🤣😂🤣😂

[@wilhelmhedin8845]

Now I'm just waiting for "the thin fat gay married anglican marines"! ❤ (from 11's meeting with the anglican marines)

[@wilhelmhedin8845]

Also that weapon company was mentioned by 9 to Jack. In the Empty Child I think.

[@SFascetta777]

I love how absolutely on the nose the commentary is this season, absolutely zero subtlety

[@Chillautumndays]

Get in the comments! Love the Brennan Lee Mulligan shoutout, also this episode just fucking slapped

[@sadmanadib8536]

you guys were so late with the reaction that the next weeks episode is almost here 😭😭

[@mitchellhp]

Jay coming in with the Kingsman reference.

[@liamross340]

Best ep of the season so far. God Ncuti is perfect.

[@mitchelsmith5643]

Between Jeopardy, Dr Who, and Bluey, Previewed is going blue this season!

[@ClintBandito]

Season 40. Honestly comics do this all the time it's not that big a deal. It's starting from 1 again to pull in new audiences, it's not the first time they've reverted back to 1, bit it's legacy numbering is 40. Just like a comic.

[@kvoltti]

Moffit cooks with this one

[@Krosskaos]

This and Wild Blue Yonder are my two favorite episodes, maybe since the Capaldi Era...

[@DaZi19]

Never thought that I'd get a GET IN THE COMMENTS in a Preview'd video lol

[@sorenfarley]

Been waiting for this one!

[@TheMess9898]

Technically 2005's series 1 referenced plot points and characters from previous Who seasons...so....🤷‍♂️

[@theanyktos]

21:20 As some might say: Behold! The Message!

[@stealahb]

it dawns on me that like young and restless, you can slip out and slip back into Who in just a few episodes. gosh i loved it. a). i legit wasn't thinking roomba for the landmine - cracked me up b). more of Ruby's lore? yes! the idea of the snow stopping when she was dying - brilliant. and i loved how Clara came in on a leaf and she has snow. c). "dad to dad" - i love that. love leaning into the doctor being a parent. i genuinely feel we'll see [a version] of Susan soon [maybe the old lady from the Christmas episode?] and finally - loved the Anglican army; reminded me of the religious army with the headless monks in "A Good Man Goes To War". super great.

[@therealpbristow]

Madame Kovarian's lot were a splinter group from the same army, IIRC...?

[@Luna-zw6te]

Never did I think my favorite reaction would mention my favorite Dropout comedian😂GET IN THE COMMENTS!

[@reeferman42078]

Yooooo I've been saying for several years now when something is intense that it is so intense it's camping 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@auntvesuvi3872]

Thanks, Jay! Thanks, Adam! ⏳ Julie Anne Robinson directed this one. She also did "Space Babies".

[@firefawkes]

Don’t worry Jay, it’s only a matter of time til they visit DisneyWorld/DisneyLand™ for an episode (or two)

[@layniebear1237]

i freaking loved this episode. absolutely amazing without going anywhere

[@seamusburke639]

Seriously, the Anglican Marines are the biggest chumps in Doctor Who. How often do they get tricked by the villain of the day?

[@thenatural1sttrpg]

Anti Capitalist and Anti industrial military complex Moffat is my favorite.

[@FanCat]

Damn, I really missed Moffat... 🥰

[@Raven_Luna_Tick]

They are calling this the Season 1 because it's the first season to feature the Disney+ Lips. 🤣

[@crabbitwife5463]

loving the anti faith thing.

[@lukewood4339]

The ambulance bot confirming Ruby as 3,000 years old, people seem to miss that part and not talk about it.

[@AmazingChi]

Because this is in the future, not that Ruby is physically 3,000 years old. Her birthdate was 3082(?) years in the past. Same thing happened with Amy in The Beast Below.

[@minglin2814]

Seems like a you problem if everyone else is fine with it

[@therealpbristow]

What I found interesting about that was that the ambulance/algorithm can clearly identify her as the same Ruby Sunday who was born/adopted over 3,000 years ago (those must be some pretty exhaustive DNA records they've got stored!), but then it starts to glitch when trying to identify her next-of-kin. Some folks are assuming that's because her birth-mother is unknown... but legally, next-of-kin doesn't work like that. But consider: From Ruby's adopted mother - who is legally her next-of-kin in the present, and who as far as we know has no other children - the system has to trace through roughly (3000 / 25) = 120 generations of her subsequent family tree, and try to figure out which one of however-many surviving relations is the closest to Ruby. That's probably a bit of a deeper and broader tree-walk than the system was ever designed to handle! =:o}

[@wilhelmhedin8845]

Brennan reference!! ❤😂

[@UncleMilo]

As always, the best of RDJ's season is Moffat.

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

1. *Skip to **2:45* 2. BTW, the female soldier (Mundy Flynn) in this episode will be a companion next season. She was also in Andor.

[@SKIP-yj3xp]

They're hitting the Dad theme really hard this season.

[@phtevenj]

the only thing i can think of when i see snow is the Great Intelligence.... is it just me on that?

[@jthomann71]

You guys act like you don't remember the Anglican Marines.

[@Nornfang]

She got shot in the chest like 12 times and there’s no markings???

[@aresrival3403]

this episode gives me warhammer vibes

[@BionicleGio22210]

Firstly, just call it episode 4 of 15's era. It's easier to remember. Secondly, this episode felt a little lackluster to me. The themes were great but the doctor being stationary just felt weird to me

[@jasonmarbach]

Classic Moffat bottle ep, my guy. Midnight is widely considered one of the best Nu Who eps of all time, and it was all in a train car. Also written by Moffat.

[@seamusburke639]

No, Midnight was RTD. Blink was Moffat. That wasn't a bottle episode, but it was a Doctor lite episode so they saved on the budget that way.@@jasonmarbach

[@BionicleGio22210]

​@jasonmarbach7800 oh i meant like staying in one specific spot at one specific location. I know moffat can have great episodes

[@chazo1367]

Very much a Moffat episode, can tell he was having fun with it.

[@merchillio]

This season seems to be engineered to piss off some very specific people

[@arubinojr5670]

But of course those same people think everything under capitalism is supposed to be theirs by birthright, ho-ho.

[@steve8510]

The magic man Moffat is back!

[@cardsfanboy]

This episode was somewhat necessary to prove that the first two episodes wasn't a completely new tone of the show. Nothing against the first two episodes, but there could be a segment of fandom that would look at those episodes and argue that it's Disneyfication of Doctor Who, this basically brings the show back to "standards". I've liked all three episodes, I do think that the solutions for pretty much all three episodes has been lazy/unearned to be honest, but the story build up on all has been enjoyable.

[@hanonhold]

But then Rose, New Earth, and whatever the adipose episode was called are also silly and campy (personally not to my taste) so the whole "Disneyfication" criticism is BS imo. People just have nostalgia goggles for the first few seasons of new who. Aside from Midnight, Turn Left and the Waters of Mars most of his episodes weren't highly acclaimed in the fandom anyway.

[@cardsfanboy]

@@hanonhold don't get me wrong, I fully agree with you that the "Disneyfication" argument is utter bs, same with woke arguments etc... I was just pointing out that after two relatively silly episodes to start the series (three if you count the singing goblin episode) that a grounded episode was a reminder that this is Doctor Who and we change genres episode to episode. I have liked all the episodes so far, I have not liked the endings/solutions to any of them (the next episode has a satisfactory ending that is earned though)

[@Scroteydada]

At least there haven't been any minosodes to factor in yet

[@Sammelwuetiger]

For me it's Doctor Who Vol. 3 1x3 😥🤔😁

[@smokingsimon44]

Finally !

[@jerrybraverman5122]

They should have handed the series back to Moffett instead of Davies. This is by far the best episode so far.

[@hanonhold]

I thought 73 yards was good. Perhaps it doesn't totally hold up to scrutiny but I thought the take on folk horror was interesting and shows RTD isn't afraid to experiment. I just wish he'd stick to more if that and less of the farting and singing...

[@therealpbristow]

They can't force the poor man to take it on again if he doesn't want to! =:o}

[@Officialcxnnamonroll]

U guys should do Demon slayer, you would absolutely love it ❤

[@willparks3429]

Kiss kiss