Prey - No Masterpiece, But Surprisingly Good

[@nintendsoad]

SPOILERS! The final moments with our protagonist perfectly demonstrates Hollywood's (any many viewers') warped idea of what a good character is when said character is a woman. After being pushed to her limit, losing her brother, and watching a sizeable portion of her tribe's hunters and warriors die, she is named War Cheif and has a big smile on her face whilst everyone cheers for her. In Predator, after being pushed to his limit, losing his entire team, and a good friend of his outside of said team, Dutch's final moments on screen are him sitting there physically exhausted, mentally scarred by how many friends of his were killed right in front of him, and probably already riddled with survivor's guilt. I honestly do not understand why so many critics are praising this film for its character development.

[@stillcantbesilencedevennow]

Because they're broken souls as well, happy to trample others on their way to the top. This Wahmen was honestly unlikeable. She was only slightly bothered by her brothers death, and couldn't care less about the others.

[@chrislutz416]

I'm not watching it, but they made her a Chief? Ye gods, that is stupid. A tribe taking that many loses is doomed. They will be absorbed into another tribe.

[@shockwavecg]

Very well-put.

[@gamera5160]

Smiling while stepping over your friends' corpses in order to achieve your dream? That's what progress looks like, my friend.

[@elitemook4234]

@@chrislutz416 'well since you got everyone else killed, I guess you get to hold the special stick'

[@rifroll1117]

This is the kind of movie that would be considered mediocre 10 years ago but is considered decent now because of how far our standards have fallen

[@Vaultboythefightingmachine]

So true

[@Waltarwhiet]

@Russ Ingram What are you on about? The life of pi, Lorax, Django Unchained, 21 jump street, the dictator, men in black 3, skyfall, the pirates, Jack Reacher, all released in 2012 Half of these aren't even great movies, yet better than the shit we get nowdays. 2012 alone had more good movies than the past 3 years combined lol

[@tashvadj4914]

Because woke.

[@markzuckergecko621]

The outrage mob makes taking risks too risky. Before all you were risking was just making a movie that audiences weren't interested in, or just wasn't that good. Now you're risking being unpersoned if you don't walk the line.

[@interdimensionalsteve8172]

You clowns are so drunk on calling everything woke or anti-woke, you can't even see straight anymore. This movie would have been considered good at any time, because it was a genuinely solid and fun movie. I'm sorry if you can't see a female protagonist anymore without your juvenile politics coming into play. If it was some big burly male who did the EXACT SAME THINGS you'd be praising the movie without complaint. This was a stripped down, bare-bones Predator film that obliterates the last few entries in the franchise.

[@KingKongLaQuiesha]

This movie would have been amazing if she told her dog at the final fight to “get the chopper” when referring to her axe.

[@paul_bellini]

Very good.

[@darkphoenix2]

That would have been idiotic. Every other reference in this was subtle and made sense.

[@PattyOflan88]

@@darkphoenix2 come on bud take the joke

[@darkphoenix2]

@@PattyOflan88 I'd take it if it was a good joke

[@scottjohnstontheii9287]

@@darkphoenix2 Yes them getting the gun from the second movie was very subtle even tho this means the predator's came back and killed all of them is very subtle

[@KaserCawy]

The reason the trees are burnt in the French trappers scene is a nod to the original movie, when the Predator steals Blaine's body and Arnold says it's using the trees. The French trappers seemingly have figured it out and burn all the trees in the area they are trying to trap the predator.

[@ajlendful]

But he uses the burnt stumps in the movie as jumping pads so, didn't work, like at all? I thought it was to make a clearing in which he could less easily hide.

[@acwojtkowiak]

Comanche and French trappers together? That is an odd hookup.

[@Wright805]

@@acwojtkowiak SPOILERS! They weren't "together" (I assume you mean as in "working together.") The French trappers used them as bait.

[@casedistorted]

@@ajlendful he was just too strong, or I guess they didn't think he could do that.

[@syjiang]

Yeah I think the trappers clued in on some of the attributes of the predator and intentionally burned the forest to create an environment that defeated the camo

[@koholintisland2167]

"As each one died, you felt the hole they left". That sir, is an amazing way to describe it, and I never considered it that way. In Predator, as each soldier died it felt more hopeless and... empty. Color stripped away from a painting that was whole with all members on stage. Excellent job, Drinker.

[@judyhopps9380]

To quote something I saw downvoted on reddit: The first movie is a deconstruction of masculinity. The best of the best, and absolute physical specimens of humanity go to war with guerrillas and annihilate them. Their (Hollywood) fieldcraft and combat make them indestructable Gods of war.... And this draws the attention of a bigger fish. The Predator shrugs off their firepower, picks apart their numerical advantage, desecrates their dead, and rattles their nerves. The only way Arnold Schwarzenegger survives is because he accidentally stumbles upon camouflage to stop the beast seeing him, then resorts to primative, caveman tactics to overcome the Predator. Even then it is not enough, and they are finally put on equal footing. The Hunter acknowledges his prey, and they lock horns in a deadly 1 vs 1. Arnold, the biggest man in Hollywood is outclassed. Even when his final trap is employed, the Predator outfoxes it, and is only killed by the log used as leverage to the original trap. By the end, Arnold Schwarzenegger is borderline dead. He has PTSD, lost all of his friends and comrades, and sombre music plays. There's a 101 errors tactically with the movie: Why do they only discuss their backup plan / reinforcements whilst en route? Why wouldn't Dillon mention Jim Hopper and his men? Why does Billy, a professional soldier, go all "grampy bone be feelin' dis" at nothing? When they attack the enemy encampment, there's no plan for how to egress if things go bad. When Mac says he found the other hostage, and he's dead too, could it be from the fact Arnie's men blew up the whole village without seeing which building the hostage was inside? Arnie says "Find me a way out of this hole" to Billy. They should have had an extraction plan prior to the attack, or even prior to landing. How do they know the first chopper was taken out by a heat seeker? How can you tell the guidance system on a SAM / RPG explosion by looking at shrapnel for a few seconds? Maybe it was radar guided. And so on and so on.... (I have lots more) But Predator had heart, soul, and a novel concept. It will always be in my top 3 movies. Prey wasn't a bad movie, but it was nothing to write home about. Frankly I found the predator more stupid, and the tactics to bring it down less impressive. People have no problem with women heroes, and to this day, Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor are benchmarks for feminine prowess. It's just they happened to be amazing characters as well as females. By all means give us a female native American killer (even if she's half Thai/Chinese), but I don't think you're telling a story that is relevant to the Predator experience, which is over-reliance on technology, and the idea of a super power being wiped out by a less sophisticated enemy. The first movie is a very good analogy to the Vietnam War. This was just someone's female wish fulfilment.

[@DzinkyDzink]

Can't have a hole when your ego is as big as modern day feminist's. That's why Naru smiles at the end of the movie.

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

Meanwhile as each savage died, I laughed harder and harder. By the end I was doing a rain dance of my own

[@mr.sinjin-smyth]

I'd much rather watch Nausicaa, a classic example of a great female protagonist, than watch again this perfect example of Disney Style modern day female empowerment.

[@darthbiscuit]

And they told it all visually. You see their weapons and appearance and instantly could tell the unique role they played. You knew who was the scout, the heavy gunner, the comms. Each loss meant one less major friend and asset gone till Dutch had nothing left but himself.

[@Durzo1259]

LOL. "In the end, Dutch was a traumatized man, probably resolved to never visit a jungle again." In fact, that was Arnold Schwarzenegger's real story from doing Predator. He said it was the most miserable experience of his whole life because of the environmental conditions and would never return to the franchise again.

[@BadGamer40]

Dutch always has a plan but he just needs money

[@lino222]

...GET TO DA CHOPPA!

[@hi12345613]

Funny enough Dutch is still alive in the extended lore and hunting the predators, the closest you will see a return of his character is in the predator video game.

[@alucard624]

@@hi12345613 That game is surprisingly fun with the right group.

[@keithkong1985]

Really!?!?!?!? That's awesome. I love Arnie Wiki.

[@Endeavour6644]

This review just made me realise how good the original predator was. With every new film that comes out I just have so much more appreciation for the oldies.

[@AvoidTheCadaver]

I'd daresay some of what would be considered B action movies from the oldies would be superior than the utter shite that is churned out these days. Baack in the days when they didn't need to worry about *the message*

[@lazyman7505]

@@AvoidTheCadaver Some? I'd argue 'most' is more appropriate. Those movies were made as pure entertainment, not to push agenda and 'The Message'. I'd rather watch every action movie from 90s (for Nth time :) than any of the modern garbage.

[@willw3736]

@@lazyman7505 exactly, Until we all quit watching this woke garbage nothing will change, until we turn the channel and start watching all shows made before Wokeness nothing but change, don’t watch new movies until Hollywood learns it’s lesson, this movie was nothing more than woke garbage

[@jonathancross2790]

More people from the younger generation needs to understand this. Most young kids my age don't care about old films cuz they're old. They like bad movies if they have pretty people in it. And it's not helped by ''the message'' which they carefully ignore even though they make the films pretty hard to swallow. My point is respect the past and improve.

[@Jayskiallthewayski]

How freaking good was the writing on the first one?

[@BearFattfilm]

I think it’s odd you didn’t mention the native American in the original Predator. He was the first to realize. “There’s something out there waiting for us, and it ain’t no man.”

[@HULK-HOGAN1]

That guy was a bad ass

[@szaboattila844]

As far as I remember, she was presented as a generic "Latino" guerilla (insurgent) fighter (although we know that the film was shot in the jungles of Mexico, the exact location is not specified in the film, and the impression expressed by moviegoers is that the action took place somewhere in South American Colombia, being about insurgents and guerilla wars. But, anyway, she was not presented as a Native American, nor did she give that impression.

[@milesnicholas5973]

@@szaboattila844 That's not who the comment was about!

[@KingOfAllDragoons]

@@szaboattila844 The comment was about Billy

[@KingOfAllDragoons]

@@milesnicholas5973 just goes to show you how people aren’t legit Predator fans

[@CharlesB147]

I literally almost spat my drink out when he said, "She fucks it up and gets injured." No way. A woman actually messing something up in a Hollywood movie, actually demonstrating some weakness and vulnerability and maybe some room for growth? Color me genuinely shocked, and give them a tiny gold star sticker for that one.

[@sojourndestination3031]

Ok now I HAVE to watch it because it's not everyday in the writers room that they would write a screen like that.

[@tomaszzalewski4541]

don't worry, as drinker and other people pointed out, the ending still doesn't make any sense

[@Markojaydog]

Yeah but then later when her brother explains what happened, he says that basically she DID defeat the Lion with her plan but she was just unconscious so he finished it off and took the credit for her work. Shocking...

[@NinjaKnight]

Her ankle heals in record time for her to engage in parkour.

[@weilam03]

she fucks up and gets fucked up multiple times in this movie

[@kayveethegoat1573]

The predator took a massive amount of punishment in this film. Dude was a freaking tank.

[@rollotomasislawyer3405]

Everybody badass till they get shot in the face!

[@lollllolll.]

I personally liked it, the predators seemed like massive femboys without their masks, weaker than a toddler. It makes sense he'd be stronger even without a mask, hence the name Predator.

[@HexenStar]

The idea for the Predator is not to take damage and do nothing, like some of those "fat bosses" from 90's videogames and movies. The idea is to avoid damage, and yet end up outmatched by a superior combatant, who can adapt.

[@fernandoi8958]

@@lollllolll. I really liked the movie, you can see the effort they put into it. Everything makes sense, is connected etc. Also, predators that hunt humans are actually low tier predators, thats why he has low grade weaponry... but yeah, they are tanks as fuck. What I liked most about the movie is that he would never die by brute forcing him, he got played in the end, and thats how he lost...

[@click8708]

@@fernandoi8958 I disagree with the last part, she almost brute forced him and probably should have tbh, she jumped on and beat the predator, sliced its arm off and practically strangled it with rope and lead it into a bog, the movie ends with the predator killing itself but there really was no need, she might as well have walked over and punched it to death at that point, she completely outclassed the predator physically (fucking somehow)

[@viddykhaos2896]

The predator is a brutal alien enemy the toughest warriors of her tribe could never quite even scratch. It was very exhilarating when she found the key to defeating this enemy, the plot armour.

[@kyotheman69]

totally is plot armor if Arnold had hard time years ago, no way this 100 pound little thing would of had a chance, fuck this movie and fuck hollywood

[@benedictcucumberbatch4447]

My thought is that it could have been a completely depressing movie where the main character gets killed trying to take on such a monstrous entity. Might’ve made it more realistic and dramatic. But I think the pricks at Disney might’ve had something to do with the character.

[@JewTube001]

i think the predator should win one of these movies.

[@bonystickmanking1250]

@@JewTube001 he should’ve won this movie

[@MCGodzilla94]

This Rookie Pred got literally arrowed, speared in the foot and then again through back by the brother, and shot by frenchmen before it even fought the girl. The Comanches rocked his shit more than Dutch and his boys back in the jungle.

[@brokengator]

I felt like she was more in danger sinking in that mud then she was fighting the actual predator

[@ajlendful]

That scene was dumb, it's obvious to you she doesn't die since it's an awkward death do the main character and it was only at the first half of the movie. So essentially you knew it is foreshadowing...

[@hectichazerdus]

Film was pathetic with a 5 ft 5 female who weighs about 7 stone fighting a beast of a predator. Embarrassing and politically correct nonsense

[@cre8iveone699]

She has the power of Woke Feminist writers.

[@wjzav1971]

@@hectichazerdus She uses speed and agility to dodge his hits and get jabs at him rather than pure strenght, so I don't mind that.

[@casedistorted]

yea pretty much lol but it was good overall

[@logan_sunday]

I hope the actor who played her brother shows up in a lot more. I really enjoyed his role and performance personally. And I'm pretty sure this was his first role.

[@EyeAmLouDaddy]

I agree. He should have been the main character

[@chrisdee1583]

But this guy showed too much "toxic masculinity" of course he had to be slain early doors for the Mary Sue Matrix gymnastics alien killer to flourish 😂😂😂😂💩

[@karicastanza5216]

I agree. He really cared about the sister, but also showed her/told the reasons why she previously failed. Furthermore, he had the humility to tell her how she had actually helped him (through her own failure of falling out of the tree) that she had set everything up correctly for him to beat the lion. I found her to be a good fighter and quick thinker, but by no means a match for even a "low level" Predator. And, no one seems to mention the funky herbs she used to make her heat signature disappear. I cry BS there!

[@margarethmichelina5146]

But overall, you gotta admit the tag team between the brother and sister to fight The Predator along with the dog is pretty good and they have a good choreography fight. I wish he survived in the end.

[@blazinpuffs]

I really wish he was the main character. Seeing him fight the predator was wicked. Gave me some serious Turok vibes. He actually brought her back before going after the lion whereas she doesn't even try to get his body back after killing the Predator.

[@rsd3719]

"It's all based of this simple minded fallacy that the absence of fear or weakness is what makes a person strong. It doesn't. it's a person's ability to overcome their flaws and fears and weaknesses that makes them a stronger character." Fucking take that to the bank.

[@bigrotary7023]

You want a gold star? 🤣

[@rsd3719]

@Good Teaching there is a huge difference between overcoming fears and them to never have existed at all. It seems like you're going out of your way to make an argument and not doing a very good job of it.

[@Shakor77]

That does not work on feminist heroes. They are amazing and great in every possible way so they dont have any fears or weaknesses.

[@rsd3719]

@Good Teaching It seems like you're hinging on a very narrow view of semantics to make your point. So I went ahead and went on Marrianm Webster to check this. It doesn't say anything about it being once present. The second definition is just straight up "not existing." So, the very specific definition you're trying to fit that word into isn't even right. Even if you were right, which again you're not, but if you were. What would you be trying to prove by tearing down an entire statement by devolving it down to the linguistics of a specific word? This is stuff poets do, which is fine in their specific setting, but this is the KZbin comment section.

[@Psychoangel-d23]

@Good Teaching Overcoming your fears is not losing them. It´s knowing them but not let them stop you from doing what needs to be done. Absence of fear is also called stupidity. Because you have to be an idiot to not be afraid.

[@chuckn4851]

The thought of a team of Predators rolling up to the Comanche village and just wiping them immediately after the credits is darkly hilarious that the writers didn't think of that angle

[@mincingwords2812]

They show it happening in the credits, more predator ships showing up

[@EvilDoresh]

This needs a post-credits scene where the waltz into the village, charging up their plasma casters.

[@WolfRamAndHart]

Perhaps it's like what should have been the ending of Hobbit-Desolation of Smaug, but was instead being put into 5 Armies. The massacre that would make that plot point make sense, sadly happens in the first 5 minutes of the sequel. That would certainly subvert expectations. I don't know what happens to the main character, perhaps she survives, since the gun indicates a respect of her warrior ability? (Haven't watched film)

[@MisterBolticus]

maybe you should've watched the credits

[@LennerPOPPADOPALIS89]

LMAO

[@nicholasstahl713]

This makes me wish I could have watched this movie on accident without knowing it was a Predator movie. How mind blowing would that bear reveal scene be if you were a fan, but had no idea it was coming!?

[@sup9542]

As someone who loves nature and watches documentaries, that bear scene was just unwatchable for me. That's not how bears behave. They aren't mindless killing machines. Wild animals are extremely risk averse and don't just mindlessly attack. And if a bear does come at you it's not going to be growling, it's going to be very calm as it tears you apart, you'll just hear snorting and breathing as it eats you.

[@ourladyofguadalupebotanica6732]

@@sup9542 That was the sad part of the movie. Really unrealistic. Humans really aren't on any wild animal's internally programmed meals. They tend to avoid humans like the plague.

[@ZildjianMan30]

@Sup That bear saw an easy 100 lb snack. Winter is coming! Need fat! Why wouldn't it attack? Although, early in the fight, that bear did fuck up the predator. Nicely done Mr. Yogi.

[@billyguyjoe1858]

@@sup9542 idk I feel like the bear scene was believable enough but any real lone wolf would have fled from the predator rather than charging at it.

[@Pbtr0ut]

@@sup9542it’s a movie with a fictional alien, what did you expect?

[@demontekdigital]

One of the things that makes the original so awesome is you get to see Dutch, and his company operate as combat seasoned soldiers before the predator is ever revealed. So much so that I've always considered it to be a 2-part movie that starts as a military action movie, and ends as an action/horror movie. The director wants you to know just how good the team is so when you see how easily the predator kills them off it really drives home the fact that he is a complete badass as well. They have to adapt to survive, and use methods outside of brute force, and heavy weaponry. The Yautja is far different from anything they've ever faced, and has weapons that puts them at an instant disadvantage. Dutch ends up relying on counter-insurgency techniques, and obfuscation to avoid direct contact with the Yautja because he knows he's simply outsized, and outmatched in a one on one brawl. You even get the sense that even after he wins he's so beat to shit that he doesn't actually feel like he won. More like he barely survived.

[@mikewhitfield2994]

Only failing was that they didn't show that big ass Indian take it on with a knife. That would have been awesome, especially given that he's a better character (played by a better actor) than Schwarzenegger.

[@scrooks58]

AND they had enough juice to insert a perfectly valid post-Watergate government secrecy angle with Carl Weathers’ character without glomming up the film!

[@mgsostanj]

Yeah, and they were affected by laws of physics... you know such as gravity and stuff, unlike her she probably realized that this is actually matrix.

[@Uzarran]

Predator is a perfect example in how to handle and demonstrate power-scaling.

[@KUTProductions]

This is the problem with most of the sequels...they miss what made the original so good. The "Predator Format" goes: 1) Establish the indisputable badassedness of the prey 2) Have your Predator eliminate the most badass of badasses like they are nothing with 1 being the most important part. Even "Predators (2010)" which is the best of the post Predator 2 crap is maybe a 6.5 because they don't understand the format responsible for the success of the original.

[@JoelCreates]

They repeatedly violated "Show don't tell", explaining obvious clues that would normally reward the audience for their attention. "He's the one who killed the buffalo", "He can't see me if I eat these flowers", "That's what makes me dangerous". I did enjoy elements of it, but 93% on Rotten Tomatoes?? Maybe they grade on a curve...

[@jackroyaltea5034]

What’s worse is that studio execs will take this as a sign that strong generic female protags are great and worth investing in.

[@Olsens13]

They grade on race

[@EdB-qh4up]

No

[@kaasmeester5903]

That's exactly what it is: grading on a curve. Our bar of expectations has been set so low that okay movies receive high praise for not being completely terrible.

[@Zoidberg420]

@@jackroyaltea5034 it seems like that's what they've been trying to do for years

[@nartaas809]

Actually the film could have gone in the direction of brother + sister together defeating the predator. It was even highlighted in the film that their skills have a good synergy. It would bring something new to the table at least.

[@skaut_games7644]

Her brother almost killed it alone If that spear would be few centimeters to the center of predator it would Pierce his heart And yes I would love seeing both of them fighting predator at the end. His experience and her ingenuity. We also have to remember our alien boy was so filled with wounds at the end he was dizzy, tech he used to close his wounds and start up healing would help but he still lost a lot and I mean a lot of blood

[@austinh7110]

I mean it went back to the lion hunt how she injured it but didn’t kill it. Then with Predator Her brother fucked it up to the point it was weak then she finished it off.

[@shannonpincombe8485]

But they needed their 'new Ripley'. Or grown up Newt. Lazy writing.

[@mrspeigel3593]

Yeah that would have been better.

[@LucefieD]

right? Her brother is actually good at hunting and combat, she's good at strategy and cunning. Her plan is solid but the second the predator had her by the neck she shoulda been dead af. I mean shit it picked up a fucking bear earlier but she survives getting slammed into the ground by her neck? lol okay.

[@yourfanfictionhd]

If you compare this movie to Apocalypto, directed by Mel Gibson, you see that Mel Gibson puts huge attention to character development, ambiance, and COMMON SENSE. He gives true reasons for fear because of the motives that drive even the villains. Apocalypto does not have aliens, but for some reason, you care so much about all characters, and every death is pure loss, and sadness. Indigenous stories can be very attractive, but need another level of sensibility and immersion to create a bond with the audience. Prey does not give it, its shallow beauty and some lost gore. But anyway, great analysis Drinker!

[@squelchotron8259]

Mel Gibson is a massively underrated director.

[@cn6519]

Yes. Part of what a makes a great movie, is to make you feel like you are in the situation with them. When a movie doesn't create that, it is a lost movie for me, no matter how beautiful or expensive it may be.

[@Ep123C]

Character wise Apocalypto is pretty great. Just don't mention historical accuracy.

[@yourfanfictionhd]

@@Ep123C yes it’s not historically accurate, but still a good sample of a culture that few directors or people care about. At least at the entertainment industry, few really care to tell a good story about South America…. But I agree about historical accuracy being important.

[@Mystic_Stirling]

Don't remember whether this movie was good or not, but this comment gives out a sigh of relief it wasn't shit

[@antonalberts9230]

Two things that really bugged me beyond what you mentioned: 1) Tying a rope to a throwing weapon, will completely affect how it operates, can't wait to see what Shad has to say about this! 2) Preddie can easily Overhead Press a fucking bear, he later hits Naru in the head twice with the equivalent of a manhole cover... I'm a fairly beefy boy at 115kg if I hit her in the head she'd be out cold, give me a blunt force weapon and she's not waking up. So how the fuck does she survive that, unscathed? But as you stated Drinker much less worse than expected.

[@elitemook4234]

Same way she got caught in a bear trap and didn't get her leg snapped like a twig. Mary sue plot armor.

[@jesterssketchbook]

i hope no-one tries her "attach a rope to an axe" style of fighting in real life - because ppl are gonna lose legs - what a ridiculous scene. Imagine watching that as you edit the film and thinking, "yup, that makes sense, that would work, and its totally badass!" Just NO - all the types of NO

[@8486odin]

I have been fighting all week about this very point... good luck my friend... and I agree 100%

[@Сайтамен]

"Much less worse" you mean better?

[@grimnir8872]

@@jesterssketchbook The part that annoys me is... use a fucking spear, if you want to have something act like a harpoon, USE A FUCKING HARPOON.

[@natilyfe]

It would have made more sense if most of the hunters went missing never returning from their hunts. Now you have the problem of an entire tribe losing men/hunters. Thus being faced with starvation, it would make sense for her to have a strong desire to abandon her traditional role in the tribe.

[@peste2574]

Know what is funny? In the og predator it is said that the predator comes during hot years to hunt men. They could have had this movie go for a while and show the men in the village or tribe be killed during months, tuss accomplishing her desire to hunt and maybe even avenge her family.

[@rustyhowe3907]

That would've been a really good motivator, and the push needed for her to be open to new ideas just for the sake of the tribe and the mother's words of "It's about survival".

[@meatpuppet5036]

Oh yeah, that tribe is done for, its blatantly obvious they won't survive.

[@uneducatedisnotstupidlol1504]

Yah that actually sounds like an amazing story. Because it doesn't shove the ideals of certain people today on our ancestors.

[@Deucebaby4life]

This is actually a sick plot! It would have made it more intense and things on the line 🤙🏼

[@markstowe802]

One of the things I really respect about you Drinker is that you can go into a movie with preconceived notion’s but still have enough of an open mind to get past them and give an honest review. Must be why you have such a big following! Cheers Drinker!

[@titusdaniel3962]

exactly bro

[@franciscojeronimo5881]

Nah! It's just that he is funny as hell.

[@stevenr6397]

when in need of a weapon someone should have shouted "get to the chopper!" and then pointed to a large axe in a tree stump!🤣

[@JohnDoe-oh7gf]

The. Best. Comment. Ever. *Mic Drop* xD

[@322dhm]

Laughing so hard, this scene needs to be in the next movie!

[@killereye]

Yeah, like hype of the axe as the best one around, accidentally created as an ever-sharp and well balanced tool, that saved it's owner's life against not one, but two bears (dropping a tree on them which tree got 'chopped' partially and prepared before as part of a desperate attempt to a trap), and then their heads were taken by the same axe, and thus earned it's legendary status, and even got the name "The Chopper"...The name and legend reveal should be done close after the "Get to the Chopper!" line! Even asked the owner in disbelief about the ridiculous name: "Chopper?" where the owner tells it's legend. Only downside would be, that most of them would see the joke/homage miles away if the name was dropped too early. Maybe most part of the story about the the Legendary Axe could be told but cut in half before the name drops, by the battle-cry of the Predator, and when they are safe, the name of the axe would be explained: "Yeah, I even gave it the name, 'Chopper.'" And the other character would be like: Foolish old man... or sumthin'. The joke/homage could work out very well, IF written really good and in a clever way. :-p

[@shadowreaver1851]

What's a chopper? I think that's what everyone else in the movie would have said.

[@IftiAlam1999]

What made John Wick's introduction one of the most badass protagonist intros is that he and his achievements are spoken of by other characters with reverence like he was some mythical creature or deity. That set him up perfectly as a certified, no nonsense badass. Imagine if John Wick said: "I am a man of focus and sheer will and I have been sent to kill the Boogeyman" he would've sounded like a cringey teenager in CW shows trying really hard to act tough, grown up and mature.

[@SgtHawk45]

Even more amazing is John Wick actually gets hurt and clearly isn't some unbeatable guy. So he does get a lot of... terrible injuries.

[@SgtHawk45]

@@remingtonsteele9431 True

[@lilcoffeebandit]

on the one hand i agree with this, but in a recent video criticising the new she-hulk series, CD said that other characters pointing out her 'awesomeness' was a flaw in storytelling. too much show and no tell. in this sense the john wick way of introduction is a flaw. I think there is a double standard here. I keep wondering if anyone would enjoy a character like john wick, flaws and all, if he was female. This is not an accusatory wonder, I am genuinely curious.

[@yoelsidabutar789]

@@lilcoffeebandit i get your point but then again the first time we saw Jhon wick, he get beaten and his dog get slaughter that make us symphatise, so when the Mafia boss tell the story about how badass Jhon wick in his past we wanna saw that little guy get killed so so bad. In other hand she-hulk never shown get trouble for what she do, so yeah (sorry about the terrible English)

[@ChadVulpes]

@@lilcoffeebandit See, if you watch John Wick, you will notice that the movie doesn't actually begin with some homeboys praising him in the first five minutes. It starts with him being beat up, on the brink of death looking at a photo of him and a woman(we don't know it was his wife yet) on his phone. Then, the movie becomes a huge flashback to that moment. This immediately tells you this guy is going to see some action. And like Yoel said, we actually see him get beat up by home invaders that kill his dog, so before he gets praise from other characters, you secured your audience's will to root for him. This is an extremely important factor in a character's likability. There are key differences you overlooked in this comparison.

[@joncarter3761]

You know the industry is in dire straits when 'not as bad as I thought' is considered a masterpiece because everything else recently has been that awful.

[@leadmetalproductions]

lol 100% agree

[@JSBozick]

Valid point.

[@DuggyDarko]

"it's not as shit as the last one! 10/10!"

[@JohnDoe-dr9ff]

When the bar has been set so low, raising it just a tiny bit seems a masterpiece by comparison. It’s why a mediocre looking woman looks hot next to a bunch of fat, ugly women.

[@Zontar82]

@@DuggyDarko last one was shit indeed

[@benjy288]

The main issue I had with the film was the end fight with the predator, up until that point the film for the most part portrays her pretty realistically, she fails at taking out a mountain lion, fails at taking out a bear, taking on those french men was a pretty big stretch indeed, but then when it comes to fighting the predator she basically turns into marvel's black widow, she runs rings around the predator, jumps off a 20 foot high tree branch onto its back, yanks its tooth out and stabs the predator with it, pulls it off its feet, survives being choke slammed no problem, it was like watching a super hero movie, the movie could have been much better if they made that fight more realistic.

[@madmaxmedia]

There are a lot of missed opportunities in action movies, where instead of making the audience more fearful of the enemy and ramping up the suspense, they want to show the good guys doing nifty tricks. At the very least find a good balance between the two.

[@cashkrop]

I disliked the whole thing, but pulling the predators tooth off with one hand? We're talking about a creature that beat a bear to death with its bear hands and she just pulls his tooth off like a lego?

[@TheRealNormanBates]

@@cashkrop with it's _bear_ hands? 😉

[@royhoequist8846]

@@TheRealNormanBates Obviously the Predator grabbed the bear’s paws and began slapping the bear’s face while saying, “Why are you slapping yourself? Why are you slapping yourself?” Because the Predator is so strong though, it actually killed the bear with its bear hands/paws.

[@GlueTubber]

AND she got hit with a shield (and received no injuries) not minutes after that same shield had decapitated a guy and cut completely through the tree behind him... duh fuhgh?

[@alabamaraptor8610]

where did we go so wrong that with all of our advancements in filmmaking we still cant make something better then a movie made in 1987

[@aaroncostello8812]

Oh, that's easy. Movies stopped being about entertainment and became vehicles for fashionable sociopolitical ideology.

[@walter4180]

because you're nostalgic. nothing more. if you don't see the strengths of 100s of modern films, you either don't watch movies anymore or your taste in them stunted in the mid 90s.

[@walter4180]

@@aaroncostello8812 you mean like all movies have been to an extent in some time or another? you don't watch movies. you watch other people talk about them.

[@aaroncostello8812]

@@walter4180 Really? Says the guy who is watching and commenting on a video made by other people talking about movies? If you are going to be a hypocrite at least try to be subtle about it. 🤡🤡

[@walter4180]

@@aaroncostello8812 I do both. That's the difference lol

[@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319]

I feel when a new movie is almost immediately showered with praise, it's coming from fans having what I call Mike Wazowski syndrome - they're way too happy anything new from their favorite franchise comes out that they're [at least momentarily] blind to any flaws.

[@TheUnitedDrills]

Like The Force Awakens? 😂

[@casualthurs3243]

That doesn’t make sense lol fans will be the first to hate something and make it known.

[@TheHorrorShark]

Like Halloween Kills, Jurassic World, etc.

[@DavidLopez-qi8hb]

@@TheHorrorShark Say what you want about Jurassic World but leave Halloween Kills out of it.

[@DzinkyDzink]

The Predator SHOT HIMSELF like an idiot... How is this any good?

[@chuckn4851]

On the "no women hunting thing," that was, at least to my knowledge, not exactly forbidden as it was just not a thing, as the women had their work cut out for them at camp and were genuinely needed to do those tasks while the braves went out hunting or to war.

[@tiredman99]

Yup and even women going to war a couple of times in their life wasn't rare either. Usually it was done for revenge if a family member or husband was killed.

[@mithrandirification]

Right but the reality is was men were disposable. You couldn't send women in masses or you're sacrificing the future of your tribe. Without someone to bear children there's no future. Men are akin to worker bees protecting the queen. I know modern feminism hates historic women's roles but women on average are just better at care-taking roles and from an evolutionary stand point it makes sense. One of my favorite movies is Alien. Ripley never used physical strength to overpower the xenomorph because that would make no sense. In Aliens she became a caretaker/savior for a small girl. Hollywood has this stupid idea that putting women in as lead roles just means you stick them in as placeholder for what a man would do.

I also can't get over how not-muscular she is. After training that hard, and gaining what you need to become a hunter, she would look way different.

[@reignmans]

after 1600 when the comanche turned into bloodthirsty warriors that was indeed a thing for the comanche tribe. only boys were hunters and warriors and they were trained for it while riding a horse since they were children. Women were just that, gatherers , cooks , cleaning the skins off of animals caught and doing witchcraft-medicine.

[@prettyteeth]

@ 100lbs and 5'5 is more then enough to handle a 800lb and 7ft predator right?

[@edwardvilla3510]

The girl stepped into the steel bear trap and later on the predator also got his ankle whacked. It must have been made in China because it did not affect either of them. Or ankles were much tougher back then.

[@arrowknee7356]

So in defence of this for the predator in the film, he is shown healing his wounds in a way that this wouldn't be an issue earlier in the film. When he applies the healing you see the wound healing almost immediately. As for the protagonist, the entire finale starts to have issues including this, or when it is the predator can or cannot see her. A lot of the issues like the lack of predator vision establishing how he could see her again, how he didn't notice her when she ambushed him etc, really feel more like they ran out of budget though (as it was clearly shot on a smaller budget) rather then just oversights.

[@phattjohnson]

And the dog's tail was fine after a bit of ginger rub.

[@jfh9219]

Cheap traps! She had this little scratch lol

[@michaelcesar800]

delicate female ankles slipped through the huge gaps in the teeth and offscreen healing herbs , DUH

[@dwill1804]

those aren’t bear traps 🤣🤦🏾‍♂️ those traps or for small game or coyotes/foxes. A bear trap would’ve instantly cut her leg off. Also it’s a movie dude it showed her putting some medicine on it and it wasn’t that deep of a wound. You want her to be limping the whole movie or die from sepsis for the sake of keeping it “realistic”

[@kovacsj7823]

I wonder if this tribe were the distant ancestors of the Native American soldier in the first movie. If i remember right, he was even thinking about " demons from the legends ", at least in the book version.

[@northernthrifter8817]

Danny was great character even though he hardly said a word in the movie, it's just different league to this feminist nonsense, great idea ruined by Disney's social engineering.

[@deborahminter6231]

Wow! I would say this is a fan theory in the making.

[@bendavies4932]

I never felt she was in trouble because every time the Predator got his hands on her he threw her around rather than doing what it did to everyone else.

[@korsekil]

Honestly they have a tendency of doing this to the heroes of every one of the movies. Dutch was tossed around for a while himself.

[@joshuaashkar6644]

Because the predator has an honour code to not kill something it doesn't deem can fight back then learns yeah bitch can fuck me up. I dunno I'm not defending sloppy writing though people need to write better believable characters with actual arcs

[@scottricci5063]

Exactly, but why? Cuz it knows he's not supposed to stick a woman for it's a metaphor for rape? Woke by Disney. Haha

[@voidtempering8700]

@@scottricci5063 The predator did the same thing to Dutch, it could have ripped him apart, instead, it was knocking him around.

[@scottricci5063]

@@voidtempering8700 aware. Still.

[@Miyulta]

12:47 this is why Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor will forever be perfect examples of badass female character done right, both were scared shitless of their antagonist and left changed women, but still were able to get shit done

[@Thunderchild-gz4gc]

Plus man and women helped them without doing the job for them.

[@santiagoflores9601]

nothing but pure facts.

[@WingMaster562]

There's also that woman in the AvP

[@kirnpu]

EXACTLY.

[@Thunderchild-gz4gc]

@@WingMaster562 Lex is underrated she rocked. Black female without making a big deal.

[@PerritoGG]

You forgot to mention that the freaking dog was the best character in the movie. What a champ.

[@davidlee7174]

YES YES. The movie should have been dog vs predator. Shout out to that doggo 🐶

[@junioraltamontent.7582]

"Air Bud vs Predator," yup now *there's* a film.

[@emina15]

I was honestly so scared through the whole movie that the good boy would be killed in the movie. Thank god he didn't.

[@captbuckyohare5585]

@@junioraltamontent.7582 Turner and Hooch... and THE PREDATOR

[@ianallen738]

The dog was unrealistic. Should have been a pit that ripped off the predator's face, and then when Mary Sue goes to pet it, it latches on to her arm and shakes, mortally wounding her.

[@kailashsaravanan8551]

I think if they made Naru lose something in the final fight, it would have made up for a lot of the criticisms this movie gets. For example, if the dog died as a sacrifice to kill the predator, or if she lost a limb or something, it would feel much more realistic and like she earned the win. Overall, still really enjoyed the movie.

[@shadowreaver1851]

Well she kind of lost her brother. I mean it was her brother and he was kind of cool. I missed him when he died.

[@5wheels178]

she lost her brother, genius

[@kailashsaravanan8551]

I mean when she fought him 1v1 at the VERY end. Because it's kinda unrealistic that she alone beats the freaking feral predator with wit alone.

[@deborahminter6231]

I thought overall it was a pretty cool movie. She did lose her brother though, I would say it made the plot that much sadder.

[@jelleepit]

This, as always, comes down to those behind the camera. The scriptwriters. Back in Arnies' day, they were the cream of the crop. Had been mentored by the best and knew how to captivate an audience and tell a story. Today, it's painting by numbers or stealing ideas from the past. There is very little originality. The only movies now that seem to stand out from the rest are the ones that refuse to follow that path.

[@Astares9]

i wish more people would realize that writers today suck. you're right, they're scooped by the bucket and mixed with other terrible writers.. then that bucket is splashed over a canvas and producers expect it to look like art. just pitiful.

[@willw3736]

Aren’t you shocked to see the critical drinker‘s title saying that this was surprisingly good? This was one of the worst movies I’ve seen all year, woke Hollywood garbage, nothing more

[@iknownothingwillingtolearn]

Arnies Predator, Director John McTierman, was his 2nd movie, writer Jim Thomas, was his first movie, John Thomas was his first movie. They also wrote, Wild wild west, so to say cream of the crop. They had an original idea and made a good movie but because they were cream of the crop. (McTierman did go on with Die Hard and Hunt for Red October.)

[@ramonandrajo6348]

The movie was never good; it was just mediocre.

[@lazyman7505]

@@Astares9 I genuinely would like to know WHERE these writers come from. I've read fan-fiction FAR better than the scripts of modern movies/TV shows/comics.

[@omisan771]

To me, this is like Black Panther all over again. The movie is just passable (unlike say, Lady Ghosbusters) and it carries the right "message", therefore the critics go absolutely crazy as if it was a masterpiece. If you replace the main actress by a native guy, the Tomatometer drops below 70%.

[@msscott22]

I actually wouldn't have minded if Dakota Beavers had been the lead. I really thought he had good screen presence, and was a little disappointed he wasn't used more.

[@ComicGladiator]

​@@msscott22 Dakota Beavers is legitimately a porn star name. In fact, porn stars would consider it too on the nose.

[@msscott22]

@@ComicGladiator lol yea, it totally is.

[@willw3736]

Are you as shocked as I am that the critical drinker said he thought this was woke but good? If it’s woke it’s BAD…I thought he was on board with this but I guess not, when did woke equal surprisingly good? Absolutely incredible, this movie was hot woke garbage

[@tinofaratinashemukakaso5632]

Wakanda Forever is coming

[@userunknown4044]

The writers forgot this took place in the 1700s, literally no one was afraid of the predator or the tech he used. Goes invisible, no one is suprised.

[@CapybaraConnoisseur89]

That was my main complaint as well, I mean they should flee in terror seeing this monstrosity. No one was ever remotely scared of him lmao. It was a decent movie, but yeah loads of inconsistencies.

[@willw3736]

Are you as shocked as I am that the critical drinker said in the title he thought it was surprisingly good? I thought this was nothing more than hot woke garbage

[@msscott22]

There's a moment where the brother sees it disappear and screams "You're a cheater", that made me smile.

[@sunderland69]

​@@CapybaraConnoisseur89 Well for them it would be like yet another spirit they believed in, you either afraid of them or not, but all the scary shit he's doin- well he's a magical horrible demon, what would you expect.

[@willw3736]

I am SHOCKED, basically the critical drinker‘s review is saying that he thought it was woke as can be BUT that it was OK….wait what??? Are you effing kidding me? A movie that’s woke is garbage in my eyes, and I thought the critical drinker was the same way….but I guess not…. Please wake up critical drinker!, if it’s woke it’s hot garbage, nothing more

[@woollywoolwoolz]

No mention of the dog saving the day? The real,hero of the movie

[@deborahminter6231]

😂 I liked the dog!

[@FrancescoDondi]

"The film is tolerable because of how little they talk, which limits the amount of cringe they can be made to say" is a hell of a review 😂

[@rumblebird9888]

Ha

[@vdochev]

That is true. They should have made the whole movie in Native American language (or whatever the Comanche are speaking) instead of switching back and fourth to English for no reason.

[@Uzarran]

@@vdochev But then people would have to actually watch the movie instead of turning it on and doing something else.

[@initailo1536]

@@vdochev you do know their is an option in the setting to set it full un Comanche and subtitles in English. Y’all not even knowing this say’s a lot about y’all.

[@NathanaelD]

The little amount that they do talk is what I hated the most about the movie. Not that I wanted more of it at all. But I hated the way they spoke. I felt like they made no attempt to dial back the mannerisms and attitude of 21st century English. The brother talked like a gym bro who just finished listening to the latest Rick Ross album. No I wasn't expecting them to speak more like Native Americans, but less like they just left Starbucks and were too busy posting selfies on Instagram

[@duncanmcokiner4242]

They already explained the 1715 pistol in the comics. It belonged to a pirate captain who was enough of a chad that the Predator wanted to hunt him, but his men mutinied after he refused to let them steal from a church. The Predator pulled a "Nobody kills him but me" and started killing the mutineers with him. The last of them shot the captain, and it says a lot that his crew thought he was such a badass that they shot him and not the seven foot invisible monster, and the Predator took his pistol to honour him rather than as a trophy.

[@vodkavecz]

That's a pretty cool origins story. But as far as I know the comics don't matter. Or treat them as some different reality. Just like the AvP movies.

[@FullOnMetalHead1995]

@@vodkavecz what do you mean by, "they don't matter"? Its all fiction ain't it?

[@FullOnMetalHead1995]

@@vodkavecz what do you mean by, "they don't matter"? Its all fiction ain't it?

[@sharpshooterjames8891]

A chadator recognizing a chad…nothing new

[@paul_Nobody_]

This is the whole movie lore vs comic lore debate. Ultimately, the film plots take priority over comic lore for things like Predator and here is why. Predator was a movie made in 1987 when I was a kid. The target audience was people like my dad. The 1st comic came out in 1989 and was targeted to kids like me. In 1990, the second movie came out and was targeted back to people like my dad who never read the comics. This is the juxtaposition that franchises find themselves in when they have meandering ownership. Hell even the old Star Wars Extended Universe had 6 different levels of canon, which is why Disney decided to just start over.

[@jimmi114]

I assumed that when it was suddenly looking "post apocalyptical" as you say, that the French colonists had burned all the trees in the area around and put them in the middle as bait. Assumedly so it couldn't sneak in high up in the trees as it did a lot in the first part of the movie.

[@paulie.walnuts2838]

But then it bounces around on the trees 2 minutes after it

[@jimmi114]

@@paulie.walnuts2838 that is true....so it was all for effect lol

[@323johnnybravo]

@@jimmi114 in a way it worked. The fire they set allowed them to capture the predator and battle it. Worked out better than in a full lush forest. Of course they lost but still lol

[@reignmans]

@@jimmi114 if they didnt burn the tree... the ash wouldnt damage his cloaking... they had to somehow make him visible for a fight and thats what they came up with. lmao.

[@jimmi114]

@@reignmans hadn't thought of that....they even make a nod to it. When the pred walks into the field its cloaking is clearly useless and it turns it off.

[@jrod1788]

The predator brawled a brown bear and overpowered it with strength, but was yanked away on a rope by a skinny human. I guess that means she was stronger than a bear.

[@deborahminter6231]

Lol! It not that much different than Danny Glover physically destroying the predator. 😅 Most horror films or action films for that matter have contradictions.

[@garrusvakarian4220]

​@@deborahminter6231he never did that, it was glover being thrown around just like dutch

[@deborahminter6231]

@@garrusvakarian4220 🤣 he still took him out physically in the end.

[@m0nk3yl0v3r]

She ran off and ditched her mates in literally every fight. So much for wanting to be the badass hunter, failing to get stuck in and back up her friends

[@highlander723]

She became a hunter the only way a millennial knows how. to killed everybody else so she was the only hunter left

[@prophecyrat2965]

Lol its called survival.

[@dislike_button33]

@@prophecyrat2965 selfish and cowardly is the more accurate term.

[@willw3736]

I am shocked to see the critical drinker say this was surprisingly good, this was nothing more than hot woke Hollywood garbage to me, I gave it a one out of 10

[@prophecyrat2965]

@@dislike_button33 yea all thise selfishy and cowardly prey that run from predators. Lol dude the movues is called “prey”.

[@TrueUnderDawgGaming]

Instead of wanting to be a hunter to "Reject society standards" the protagonist should have simply enjoyed joining her brother on hunts. This would make it a real "Fish out of water" story when all hell breaks loose. She now has to deal with this horrific beast by using the skills she learned by following her brother. I think that would be far more compelling and scary.

[@CsRacks]

Great idea but can't do that. Woman learning from a man is big no-no.

[@caspar_gomez]

training day x predator, she's never had her shit pushed in

[@rgonzalez5044]

Fish out of water? It wasnt a fish out of water story 😂

[@PrinceIsot]

@@CsRacks she literally learns from them....🤦🏻‍♂️

[@dude9318]

@@CsRacks yeah some women would go crazy if they saw that .

[@whatsinthebox9732]

The ending drove me nuts. The logic leaps, conveniences and perfect timing moments that came together to give a 100 pound girl an easy win against a 700 pound predator was eye roll inducing

[@grimnir8872]

What I don't get is they could literally copy the first movie. Lure the predator in for the kill only to be taken out by a trap. The Predator showed all through the movie he was greedy for kills, yet they somehow were scared to show her actually THINK instead of girlboss.

[@willw3736]

Are you surprised as I am of the critical drinkers title saying that this was surprisingly good? Because this was one of the worst, most wokest movies of the year for me, I thought it was absolutely terrible

[@NoToeLong]

@@willw3736 - I feel Drinker's standards have dropped after being exposed to too many bad films. Like he's becoming desperate to find something good, so he settles for mediocre and says "well compared to worse stuff it's not so bad".

[@Xapheion101]

Yet here is drinker defending it. Honestly I think that convention he went to had some fun private party rooms and this review marks the beginning of his indoctrination into the message.

[@EdB-qh4up]

@@willw3736 Dear Will, I just didn't understand. Is it sarcasm? In his critique he tore apart the movie. I didn't get it.

[@nkfd4688]

That dog was the real hero of the movie 🐶

[@keithsj10]

At the end of the original Predator, Dutch was on the helicopter being flown out, the sole survivor of his crew and of the alien monster encounter he barely survived. He had that thousand yard stare on his face, just a blank look because he was traumatized by his experience. Shell shock. Operational exhaustion. PTSD. You know, whatever they call it these days. Even the prisoner Anna was in such shock she couldn't even speak after first encountering it. All she could muster was the jungle came alive and took him. But no, this little girl handled the bear attack and the death of her Indian pals and the introduction of savage Europeans wastefully destroying buffalo and burning down their forest and guns and fighting an alien monster... all without a scratch... and she handled it all just fine, without so much as a twitch in her eye when it was finally all over. Just another day on the prairie. 🙄

[@keithsj10]

@boo hoo flag that crap as "unwanted commercial content or spam". Comments like that are all over popular KZbin content.

[@sebastianhoward3304]

They even said in predator 2 that he died of a heart attack due to PTSD from the encounter, obviously this was an excuse for Arnold not being in the movie but it still stresses the point that what he went through is traumatic.

[@Memnon45]

@don't be surprised islam is gay

[@nigeltheoutlaw]

Apparently we're supposed to think sociopaths are stunning and brave now.

[@mysteryace2129]

Honorable mention is Predator 2's Danny Glover character who throughout the movie would take zero shit and have a comeback ready for anyone who comes his way just to look stoic after his encounter with the Predator. Government agent gave him attitude but he didn't even have the energy to reply. Just stiff arm him and look into his eyes with the expression "I don't have time for this." He only smiled after looking at the pistol given to him that was proof of his accomplishment and him avenging his comrades. A smile to lift his spirit to keep fighting through even more obstacles, not one to boast in the middle of his accomplishment. He has to keep fighting for the ones who were lost. That if they(the predators) come back that he would be ready for them. I seriously don't know why Predator 2 gets so much flack as it's a classic. Yes it's got that 80s syndrome of crazy out of context one liners but it's pretty tame and doesn't marginalize the Predator's threat level like the other movies do. It being in the city gave it that Bull in a China shop feeling. Basically unstoppable

[@burlyman1645]

A good campfire scene would have gone a long way to fleshing out the characters. Show them sitting around the fire joking, talking about past experiences or interacting with her. We would have gotten a feel for who they were and thus would have been more affected when they fought and died. The chopper ride in the first movie did that for us and they missed that opportunity here.

[@Sebadee80]

You’re 100% right, although I only managed to watch the first half of the film if that, what character development that was was very poor and consisted of the usual young girl being scorned for having ideas above her station. She failed at absolutely everything until she made the magic axe? And the Braves looked like Ladyboys. But they didn’t want to develop the characters realistically, they gave us 21st century political views instead of 18th century Comanche culture. 10 bears from the outlaw Josie Wales was a real Comanche brave, if you haven’t seen the scene from the movie it’s on KZbin and gives you a better idea of Comanche customs, and it’s a 3 to 4 minute scene. Sorry about the long reply, but in a nutshell I agree with you completely. Stay safe👍

[@kgbstudio]

that might work if the actors were any good and the protagonist was somewhat realistic.. But the only good actors here are the dogs

[@Sebadee80]

@@kgbstudio I was going to write that but didn’t, Kudos is to you 😂👍 Be safe

[@SerbStar2011]

Sounds cliche af

[@sphere5282]

@@kgbstudio yeah bc your movies have grossed how much again? lol...........

[@fmc7209]

Watched this over the weekend with my wife who isn’t big into any sort of sci-fi stuff. Her best comment for the movie was at the end where she said “so she wasn’t able to kill a single animal the entire movie but kill the big alien??” Cracked me up

[@darkvenomancer123]

OMG 🤣 best point ever

[@VorpalSlade]

Can always trust a mildly disinterested wife or girlfriend to see through the bullshit :') Mine is exactly the same

[@TheSicHargow]

I am wondering if they were just trying to highlight the point that it wasn't about the hunt or going toe-to-toe, but rather finding a way to survive like her mother had said.

[@SuperPsychoanalysis]

She did kill some rabbits.

[@Jay-og4yb]

Did you watch the movie? Is she stupid or on the spectrum? It's very easily explained and only requires a few neurons

[@kalvin1123]

It's good in its own way. Predator starts as an action movie with strong men killing and blowing stuff up with powerful weapons to show they are invincible. But in the second half, it's a horror movie where they're suddenly vulnerable in a mysterious environment. The Predator is hunting the men. Also, remember in Predator, Dutch only put up a decent fight when he used sticks and vines. Prey is different because the main characters have a natural understanding of the land. That's an important advantage the woman has. She still thinks she's looking for a bear or lion. It's almost as if the Predator is the guest.

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[@archillesprime]

im about halfway through the movie to where the French trappers have them tied to a tree. The only gripe really was when they went to bring her home and she was full on fighting them with punches and stuff....i get that theyre trying to show she's not a submissive female and she can hunt just as good as the rest of them but it just came off with a strange vibe. i have questions about the Predator himself but ill see if those questions are answered later. overall its been a pretty good movie - a bit slow in the beginning though.

[@ajlendful]

You know I would like to believe that, but when you don't even teach your actors how to shoot a bow ( you can learn how comanche gripped their bows and arrows from one google search) and you almost kill your main lead in the first half because she stupidly falls in a mud pit, it seemed to me like an arrogant child with knowladge of few herbs and tracking got everyone killed in pursuit of her gender equality. Mixing modern non-problems with tribes of native americans feels so forced and stupid, just like all of this movie.

[@nicxshaw]

@@ajlendfulthe point is for her to be arrogant in the beginning , thats why she falls in the pit. Its not about equality at all

[@RK-um9tu]

@@nicxshaw the point is the movie is just plan DUMB...

[@claytonrios1]

I do agree with you on one thing. True strength doesn't come from never being afraid at all or never showing weakness. It's about overcoming challenges in spite of your fear and weaknesses and that's what's truly inspiring.

[@ar1sm70]

Reminds me of Game of Thrones when Bran asked Ned "Can a man be brave if he's afraid?". And Ned said "That's the only time a man can be brave."

[@mac1991seth]

From what I heard, there is a comic book that shows where the Predators got the pistol and it was actually a Predator meets pirates story with the Predator and a badass pirate captain fighting back to back against pirates' mutiny against the captain. As far as I'm concerned, that's more canon than Predators handing out flintlock pistols like candy to anyone who's ever won against them.

[@Impulset0]

Your comment is confusing. The elder gave harrigan the pistol as a trophy. Predators take trophies.

[@Mark_Knight]

I have no ideas about guns. Back in the day, I thought it was a Cowboy s' gun and he got it from a Cowboy protagonist. Somehow the Predator respected the cowboy that went up against other men and it with its gun and hurt one of the Predators from it's clan or Clan leader itself.

[@youseff500]

@beyond your imagination isn't it implied that this tribe gets wiped put for the predators to have to take the flintlock back?

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

Yes. You can watch the whole dark horse comic on KZbin. I digitally scanned all the panels and uploaded it back in 2013 on my old channel. I highly recommend anyone check it out as that story is far superior than this movie’s

[@mac1991seth]

@@Impulset0 Yes they usually take trophies, but in the comics the Predator got the pistol from the captain as a gift, because the captain was fatally wounded in the battle against his former crew. In this movie it seems like the Predators have a stash of pistols and they're handing it out to anyone who ever beat them: first the Comanche, then Harrigan. Either that or some Predators come back post credits and obliterate the Comanche to take back the pistol trophy.

[@martinhriibek3443]

"Why don't men want to let me hunt with them?!" Fails to hunt a deer. Fails to hunt a rabbit. Fails to hunt a lion, needs to be rescued by her brother. Fails to hunt/hurt/defend herself from a bear by making her bowstring wet after scolding a male hunter about this, needs to be rescued by Predator. Fails to shoot the Predator while he's cutting her brother to pieces. #fuckpatriarchy

[@leadmetalproductions]

yet somehow everyone loves this film

[@martinhriibek3443]

@@leadmetalproductions I can only summ it up with yesterdays conversation... Me: "It was bad...but...yeah...it wasn't THAT bad" Friend: "Yeah? Name one great thing about this movie" Me: " Well.... *cricked sounds*"

[@mwaltermann]

The bigger question is: Why are all men "toxic" towards a young and attractive female protagonist? Because she is constantly talking back maybe? Because she always wants to have the last word? Because she knows everything better and is resistant to feedback? Because she has an unbearable attitude almost all the time? I do not know, but usually you would think that in a tribe of approx. 40 members, all men would try to keep their options open and be nice to attractive women ...

[@jeanpaulchristian3282]

Yeah but the Predator roared in agony off in the distance before she drove that spear though that fucking American CGI cave lions stupid I cant hunt for shit skull

[@jelledesmet7086]

I think this is waaay better than the standard mary sue stuff.

[@bonnerikbarrogataday6289]

6:40 Not really because in the cage scene a night before, she was shown a leaf with blood on it, before it was revealed that her brother was also captured which implies that her brother was shown the leaf too.

[@captbuckyohare5585]

It had its moments but couldn't resist the third act nonsense and gifting the MC superpowers and suddenly making the Predator (who during the film managed to break a bear's neck with a single punch) far less deadly.

[@Snulge]

They do that in the original movie as well. Arnold is getting man handled but predator is just playing with his food. They dispatch everyone and everything with efficiency but the main character has plot armor. But it doesn't pay off well here because it was poorly written.

[@sebastiansuazo2734]

Just like in the first movie??

[@moenibus]

exactly

[@moenibus]

@@sebastiansuazo2734 No, not like the first movie. Lord, all these gen z imbeciles, justifying this mediocre movie

[@captbuckyohare5585]

@@sebastiansuazo2734 Sorry boys, I missed the part in the first movie where Arnold masks his body heat with a magical flower and then dive bombs off of tree branches like some sort of Spider-Monkey-Neo only to land right on the Predator and then proceed to do moves on the monster that would make Rey Mysterio proud. Because that scene happens in Prey. In the first movie Dutch barely escapes the Predator with his life before accidentally mudding up and living to fight another day. He then has to use stealth, traps, and luck to stand a chance, and even then the Predator has his number. And let's not forget, that's only after the beast decides to fight fair without weapons in an honorable last battle. There's no such exchange in Prey. She outfights, out manoeuvres, and out weapons the predator at its own game, even turning its own tools against it. Hell, the new Predator is even invisible for the vast majority of the final encounter. And she does all these amazing moves on a leg that 30 minutes prior was locked in a bear trap... like... she shouldn't be walking let alone flying out of trees like Chow Yun Fat. To compare those two final stand offs, and assert them as the same thing, makes me wonder if you lads have seen either film or have eyes at all.

[@JoeSyxpack]

I think if you want to do an arc for a character like this you start them off with a naïve understanding of what a warrior/hunter is. For her it's all glory and pride, very appealing compared to the mundane expectations the tribe has for her. She's warned that her idea of it and the reality of it are not the same, but she is unperturbed. Events unfold and she find herself in a life and death struggle with the Predator. Friends, family, and lovers die before her eyes. In the end she is miraculously victorious, but she returns to the village broken. There was no glory, only death. She looks at the eyes of the villagers and sees underneath the awe there is fear and a huge gulf between her and them. She is not elevated above the mundane, only set apart. She realizes the warning was true. It is the sacrifice of the warrior to forever be outside, the separation masked by honor and nobility. She is a warrior and it is her duty to fight. She can never go back to the way things were. She can only look upon what she has lost from the distance... and defend it.

[@adeptus.astartes]

She should have known when she saw the traumatized look on her brother's face when he returned with the mountain lion, but didn't see or listen.

[@BruceLinderDPT]

I think you are onto something. Her character would have been more believable if being a warrior was thrust upon her. Did she somehow transform into a great warrior? No, but she did transform just enough to win.

[@lustrazor44]

@@BruceLinderDPT she wasn’t trying to be a warrior. She was trying to be a hunter. Did any of you even pay attention to the movie?

[@lustrazor44]

It seems you missed the entire point. She was never trying to be a warrior. Wanted to hunt instead of gather. She had some rudimentary skills but ultimately wasn’t good enough to become a hunter. When she had her chance, she couldn’t stay focused. She literally learns her skills are in tracking and trapping. She only fights the predator when it’s blind. They can’t see without their helmets. Her arc wasn’t to become a warrior. It was to learn she’s capable of using her wits to hunt. What you described, is a bog standard been there done that a million times movie.

[@BruceLinderDPT]

@@lustrazor44 Good point R4R. Let me rephrase...Her character would have been more believable if being a hunter was thrust upon her. Subsequently she used her hunting skills not to transform into a great warrior but to transform just enough to win. REPLY

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

One of the biggest complaints my best friend had about Prey is that he found the characters completely uninteresting. One of the best things about the original Predator film is that the characters were pretty well fleshed out within a short time.

[@sergiogonzalesYT]

Yes!

[@DzinkyDzink]

Especially the dehumanized french clowns. I alwayas needed another reason to hate white colonialist men and this movie gave me an excellent reason why. Obviously sarcasm.

[@AlexGreat321]

That's what I was saying Naru and to a much lesser extent her brother were the only ones who have character development. Everyone else is either Predator target practice or an exposition dump

[@odindarkangel5404]

Why is there so many Bots spamming links.. also one of them even is impersonating drinker lmao.

[@FCUYTFUYTF]

Arnold was the only 1 for me

[@MK-pt3iy]

At the end there's an animation that goes through the story and shows 3 predator ships coming out of the sky above the village after she gets back from killing the predator.

[@Lastjustice]

Predators usually clean up their handy work after a hunt. They probably came in and let the people flee in terror as they took the head and the gun with them as trophies.

[@zeevabrams]

Just watched the film, and saw that part. I think everyone missed it... They probably think you're joking.

[@1992zorro]

I think the Dog was amazing. It didn't talk, it obeyed orders and even was loyal and did as commanded without questions or trying to steal the show and damn was he good at attacking the predator. Surprisingly good.

[@pemanson]

Hey! Thats how TheCriticalDrinker seems to want female characters to be writen. What a coincidense!

[@KAZVorpal]

Implausibly good. As was Female Protagonist.

[@sirfairplay9153]

It's a fucking dog, not Al Pacino, get a grip!

[@justin9649]

@@sanz7820 Spoiler: And got them all killed, you know since they were concerned about her well being and everything.

[@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire]

I like the concept of encounters with Predators in the past. I think a good idea would be a WW1 or WW2 setting. Especially WW1 could offer some decent claustrophobia with the trenches. While WW2 could be a nice premise of some american soldiers and some german soldiers having to team up in order to stay alive while being hunted by the Predator as their own units were previously ambushed.

[@jasonmacomber4020]

Good ideas! I would also turn up for predetor vs vikings and predator vs roman legion.

[@philyeary8809]

Decent idea, it would be better than non canon AVP, and the reboot with the autistic kid....

[@igorlukyan206]

You don’t need predator for that. It happened in real life on the eastern front, the Austrian-Hungarians and the Russians joined forced and fought against hundreds of starved wolves

[@jessejames8900]

I want to see a cross over. Imagine a predator flying into a worm hole and coming out fighting Turok the dinosaur hunter. Where Turok is hunting the predator not the other way around.

[@ZombieShibby]

Just have predator sequels follow the Call of Duty timeline

[@workoutmadness6901]

I don't know about anyone else but I laughed so hard when she finally realized even the Predator didn't see her as a threat.

[@UnofficialName]

It was best when our experienced woman of the land nearly killed herself in a quagmire. **** OFF, film.

[@merrylderrickson3147]

this is hollywood admitting what we all know. on one hand say something, on the other, show something else. these are psychological operations, designed to split a child's mind. To exist in a state of self-contradiction. Why would they do that? Because that's what marxists do. They poison the minds of the youth through any and all psychological means. In the age of Instant Information and Communication, the only way to ensure obedience and compliance to state messaging is to make the obedient not know up from down, man from woman, good from evil. Creating an environment that relentlessly and viciously attacks ANYONE who strays off the message is a necessity to uphold the social disintegration. dumb people don't know any better but everyone else... they know what happens if they stray so the campaign moves forward, the idiots get louder, everyone else gets quieter.

[@warofnoise5394]

yeah she's the Magical Knowledge Bringer. I guess

[@tylerwinter512]

“Predators” is one of my all time favorite movies. It’s straight 🔥🔥🔥. I actually liked Prey too. It ain’t Citizen Kane, but not even Citizen Kane is Citizen Kane.

[@James-tk2yl]

Naru's character feels so hollow because it's like the screenplay was filtered through a feminist approval algorithm. She's not allowed to display any sort of obligation to those around her. She doesn't take lovers. She doesn't even mourn her brother. Her quest is one of pure recognition. She wants to be seen as a man of the tribe, which stands out in a period piece because it's an entirely modern preoccupation. The journey of this movie is essentially to get people to call Naru by her chosen pronouns. It feels woke to people because it's suffused with the narcissism of the 21st century social media age, and not 18th century Comanche culture.

[@marcusabston6365]

Shit did mourn her brother....you need to rewatch the movie

[@thecoldkilla5843]

What the entire fuck are u and anyone else in this comment section talkin About😂 y’all thrive off negativity

[@elitetheking688]

Dummy

[@josephsalmonte4995]

Spot on.

[@kyotheman69]

especially everyone seen better movie years ago, plus it was big dude Arnold having hard time, no way this 100 pound piece of shit would of survived, movie is BS

[@OnlyTwoShoes]

_"Can we kill it?"_ _"Only if it bleeds."_ That's the line they should have used.

[@TheWolfWon]

After this the predators will say "if it bleeds we can't kill it".

[@ianallen738]

You are too intelligent for Hollywood. Go away, now.

[@TheElMuffin]

literally had to use these lines and throw in an episode where they track another dangerous predator after wounding it

[@terrified057t4]

atleast should've had Naru (the girl) say it. Taabe never even saw it bleed... I think...

[@xyz-hj6ul]

>> That's the line they should have used. >> The problem with this is that the Yautja looks like a Wendigo- allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/wendigo-art.jpg Which, while more common among the tribes of the Northeast, was one of a pantheon of demonic, ghostly and cruelly Predatory supernatural creatures known widely to the Native American cultures. They have four or five definitions of big foot for instance. They all have (tall, skinny, smells bad) traits shared by the Yautja and the first nations were _terrified_ of them. Which would make sense for a creature whose inviso suit is seemingly coated in /fire/ when it switches off and whose other abilities might well look like magic to a culture which had only recently seen steel and firearms. Yet the Comanche are not so much 'unimpressed' as _incognizant_ of what they just saw and what it means as part of their shamanistic world view. Not 'Oh darn, it's hot again...' but 'Oh dear...the gods hate us, we're screwed.'. The original movie suffered from this problem too, only in reverse: Special Forces know what a tree sniper is. They use the technique themselves, to extend line of sight on distant targets and provide a genuine look down (tree stand) ability on targets which are 'waking' through the bush. We faced them all the time in the Pacific Island campaign, against the Japanese firing through multicanopy jungle. And again vs. the NVA/VC in Vietnam. Yet Dutch and his team can't seem to figure this out, from wound impact angles, even though the technique has also been used, by the likes of Roger's Rangers, since the French And Indian Wars, pre 1776. The natives should have panicked, because the Yautja tech would have looked like magic and it's appearance as well as ability to mimic voices would have matched a particular, 'evil spirit', definition. The SOF should have acted against the Yautja's arboreal tactics, sooner, as just another operator.

[@MrPHILLCROW]

The brother was great, I would have preferred to see him make it to the final confrontation because it would have made the challenge to the Predator more believable. Also I would have rather they hid amongst fires rather than pretending a flower could make them cold-blooded. Overall I enjoyed it, but would have preferred to not actually see the Predator until the bear sequence. It's annoying because there's only a few changes that needed to be made to turn it into a relatively strong film. Didn't mind the CGI as I assumed it was relatively low budget but why did they redesign the predators face so radically?

[@reninparker9822]

i think it was to make him look like a wendigo, bc you know, natives

[@Masteroftheweb]

@@reninparker9822 Not that it matters. These were the most skeptical non spiritual Natives ever. She litterally said it was 'like' a creature from myth and their response? "Hur hur, you're hunting a monster from a children's story!?" That, among many other things... is why this movie was utter shit, and event eh Drinker's expectations are so low that he gives it a passing recommendation. It's not recommendation worthy.

[@cmorrow74]

I wasn’t really a fan of the look of this Predator, but I can accept it as possibly being “regional” features, in the same way people from different regions of Earth differ in appearance.

[@reignmans]

lets believe a flower can do that... whats unbelievable its how fast it works. what kind of digestive systems they had? i mean.. the moment anyone chewed on it.. they instantly turned cold. tf?

[@Masteroftheweb]

@@cmorrow74 Doesn't explain how he can breath without a re-breather on his mask

[@CaPnBaLlBaG]

A movie in 2022 with a female protagonist that we see fail several times, have to learn from others, and ultimately fight along-side a male in order to win. The movie deserves some of the hype based on that alone. They actually brought us a character who we got to see develop and grow. And with respect to the French, c’mon dude, are we supposed to portray them as likeable? Everybody hates the French 😂

[@HB-zi3og]

I know for a fact that the French Canadian voyageurs of the 19th century weren't all that different from the French dudes in the movie.

[@deborahminter6231]

Exactly! I don't get this video. I agree with everything you said. He didn't mention how well the male characters were portrayed. It's as if the critical drinker was judging this film by the other mistakes of different movies and ìnstead of it's own merit.

[@RogueFox2185]

I think I’m passing on this film, even if we can pretend that The Predator never happened (I think it may still be canon unfortunately unless they hopefully retconned it) I’m not really sold on how they treat the Predator in this film that by all accounts sounds like Jason Voorhees from space who keeps bumbling into traps. Me I’m perfectly fine with just Predator One and Two, also they already did have a backstory for that pistol years ago in a Dark Horse comic and it was actually interesting with a Pirate Captain giving it to the Predator right before he died after the Hunter was denied an honourable duel against the man by a mutiny survivor.

[@shockwavecg]

The pirate story sounds really great! I'll have to find that comic. That would have made a fantastic Predator movie.

[@SubZero-hs9xc]

Nah i think they handle it well

[@Snulge]

The predator is actually the best part of this movie. They show early that this one is particularly desperate for some savage fights. It might be because of his clan or his particular breed but he does remain consistent. He doesn't really bumble into traps as he has one focus in a fight which is to drive forward and over power his enemy. I'd say it's for sure worth the watch and you might be surprised by it. The trailers and clips are very bad at showing the story as is.

[@heezythecasual]

the predator is smart in this one man, but u will see that he definitely knows he is OP so its kinda like he plays with his food until he gets outsmarted much like the first two movies give it a chance, at least to the grizzly vs predator scene 👌🏻

[@sebastiansuazo2734]

The predator is a rookie, a new blood if you will, his desperation for savage fights to prove is worth is what ended up getting the best of him, dont ve so pessimistic and give it a try at least and do not let your own judgement be clouded by a youtuber has to say about it

[@justsayain9794]

I used to have the predator self-destruct beeps and laughter as my ring tone, sometimes you find out not everyone appreciates the classics.

[@HexenStar]

Cool idea!

[@Tyrael66]

Im stealing that

[@cmorrow74]

I totally need that in my life!

[@BurnPoi]

Hey great material like always, just one thing. When it comes to the burned forest it was done on purpose by the trappers to make Predator visible.(it is just a small piece of the land in the valley that they wanted to use as a trap for him). We can see that his camouflage equipment is malfunctioning. I have no clue how they knew that it would work, but maybe they were just taking their chances. That is my opinion.

[@BulletSponge178]

I think the thinking is that he can't hide in the foliage if there's no foliage.

[@bobicus]

don't go actually using logic....

[@suburbanbanshee]

Traditionally, you do stuff like throw flour or ashes onto invisible things, or you look for footprints that betray the invisibility/stealth. (For example, in the Book of Daniel, in the story of "Bel and the Dragon.") So burning a forest area to catch something sneaky is within the realm of contemporary ideas.

[@Dilligff]

I don't think they understood that he was actually invisible due to his tech. They assumed he was just really good at hiding in the terrain and decided to eliminate whatever cover he had available to him. That is why the initial lookouts were out in the open when he came upon them. They assumed he used the forest to hide. It glitching his equipment just turned out to be an unexpected bonus.

[@therealdeal3866]

@@Dilligff In the hands of competent writers the Predator's technology would be magic to the trappers... Who might not be superstitious but wouldn't have many other mental "hooks" on which to hang shoulder mounted blaster cannon, glowing blood, and active camouflage. So I agree with you, they probably weren't attacking his tech so much as attacking what they thought he was hiding in. All of which is irrelevant. Hollywood is dead to me. I'm not watching another movie in the theater for the foreseeable future and I won't pay for the ones I DO watch. I'm tired of the woke bullshit and being lectured about my gender and race by bigoted, misandrist, racists.

[@usdescartes]

Wow. This is the best breakdown of this movie that I've seen. Spot on in every aspect. The only thing he missed, as far as I can tell, is that in 90+% of Native American tribes, women could ALREADY be hunters. I mean, this particular tribe, I guess maybe not? Or these particular warriors are jerks? But it is WAY more likely that it would have been ZERO problem for her to be a warrior, so I have no idea if these filmmakers did ANY research. The very least they could have done was add a line like "if this were that tribe next to us over yonder I wouldn't have any trouble being a warrior, why are you guys such jerks?" But to leave it out entirely just tells us that these filmmakers thought 21st century ideology was more important than realism.

[@Vollce]

I recently watched the original. The cinematography is just incredible. The scene when Dutch swims towards the shore and lies into the mud in relief and then the splash behind him in the same frame. Such amazing movie.

[@johnmellor932]

I always felt the splash was too small. Compare it to the splash in the alleyway in P2.

[@SkyFly19853]

I also watched it last night.

[@zrblank]

Prey has helped me realize the original 1987 Predator might be my favorite movie of all time

[@SolarisKane]

Predator is my 2nd favorite, with John Carpenter's The Thing my all time favorite.

[@metasprite5648]

Nah those movies are whack. Xenomorphs are better.

[@jameslough6329]

@@metasprite5648 Kinda true but clearly a troll comment

[@chelikhkahn]

Prey has helped me realize Prey is by far my least favorite Predator movie.

[@Micha-qv5uf]

It's a good movie and I also like it a lot but in the end it's just Arnie fights a monster. Not more.

[@outlaw5015]

Every second movie nowadays is a “masterpiece”. It just goes to show how meaningless that word has become. Also, although the title of the video says the film is surprisingly good… Drinker’s review of it really makes it sound mediocre. Like talking about lacklustre character, bad dialogue and being emotionally manipulative instead of properly well developed. It just sounds like generic modern sludge. Pretty pictures with lacklustre writing.

[@WarlockHolmes420]

Exactly mate. I just wish they would stop making "superhero" films lol.

[@DzinkyDzink]

See how the prolonged bastardisation works? You've been fed shit for so long that anything that is remotely not-shit becomes "good".

[@Erasureeraser]

I mean in the case of this movie, I think people say it's a masterpiece simply because we finally got a good Predator movie in a very long ass time

[@Noname15514]

The film staring a teenage girl and having her be better than everyone else and defeats the Predator is what kills the film for me. It's not a Predator film.

[@verynice7367]

Have you watched the movie? I don’t think you should form an opinion on a movie just from the drinkers review. It works well as a predator movie and it is good by those standards.

[@tompearce5418]

4:10 Yautja can actually function quite well in environmental conditions as cold as Antarctica, as seen in AVP. It's likely that the South American legends cited in the first movie just mean that they hunt during warmer summers when human prey are more likely to be fighting each other, allowing the Yautja to identify potential trophies.

[@benmazzara6216]

The drinker was in a generous mood this day. Must be a Jack Daniel's hangover

[@highlordxeleth]

Gotta point out the plot armor in the final fight was a-b-s-o-l-u-t-e-l-y off the charts. Even in the movie's own tone and context, it was unbelievable.

[@snarfsnarfff]

Well did you really expect her to die? The hero always defeats the predator.

[@kianrodriguez4455]

It's unbelievable how she gets thrown by the Predator (remind you of anything?) And she's still fine

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Yeah but she's a girl so that's OK.

[@willw3736]

This movie was woke garbage, she takes out eight white men (of course) in under one minute, and a 400 pound predator with advanced weapons, and knows jujitsu living in the 1700s and can win a battle against her brother LOL…this movie was complete garbage, one of the worst I’ve seen all year

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

@@snarfsnarfff It is a bit silly that she gets body slammed to the ground by a creature strong enough to take out a full grown grizzly hand to hand and all but effortlessly hoist its corpse over its head, and yet she isn't even winded by the impact. It holds her by the neck and doesn't just slightly squeeze or twist its wrist to snap her neck to kill her, and she just reaches up and easily rips off one of its finger sized mandibles. Breaking a finger isn't too hard if you use your whole hand, but tearing one entirely free from a body would take a huge amount of effort and far more strength than any girl the size of Amber Midthunder could ever conceivably muster. She even strikes the Predator's shield hard enough to smash that shield into the Predator's other arm and the edge of the shield cuts that arm off. Again, this Predator can heft 700 odd kilograms over its head with ease - even if she put every once of her strength and her full body weight behind that blow, the Predator should have stopped it dead without even needing to make any effort. The entire final fight is a ludicrous spectacle of a group of filmmakers who had come to the finale of their film with no idea how their protagonist could reasonably defeat this iconic screen monster they had her up against, and so we see them throw one increasingly unconvincing cinematic excuse after another up on screen to explain how a teenaged girl, with stone age weapons and no prior combat experience, is able to defeat the Predator with relative ease and without even being significantly injured, when a similar creature beat a highly trained special forces combat veteran - played by Arnie in his prime no less - within an inch of his life when it was just toying with him. They throw everything including the kitchen sink (and a hilariously stupid thermodynamics defying magic herb) at the problem, and none of it works.

[@duberdurm]

Her brother was a much more interesting character. He actually believed in her. I think a better ending would have been for them to have taken down the predator together, even if he got mortally wounded and didn't make it back for the final tribe scene (which was silly) My other concern is what happened with the predator's technology. How long it would be before one of those old Comanche dudes accidentally called the predator's ship out of orbit and turned things around on the white man?

[@apexoldguy]

Yeah I thought it would’ve been better for them to both fight it together.

[@stringer2295]

Yea I liked the movie but the brother never shit on her and then doing it together would have been dope

[@SuperMurray2009]

I don't care what CD says. Prey is officially the best Predator film since the original.

[@curtiszinn7756]

@@SuperMurray2009 Agreed. He brings up feeling the loss of all the characters from the first film, but non of those characters were as impactful as her brother. They were just strong dudes with quips and gimmick weapons. The brother in Prey was 10X more of a loss than any character in the original. That being said.... the original is still #1, but this easily takes the second spot.

[@SuperMurray2009]

@@curtiszinn7756 Facts. I did feel for the characters in this film compared to any other except the original

[@sethraelthebard5459]

I still say that if another Predator film ever gets made (competently) the best setting would be the Sengoku period of Japan. Specifically the era from 1590 to the Battle of Sekigahara in 1600. The warring states would be an incredible setting, and we already know that some Yautja had trophies from that era. Our MC could be a young samurai, or maybe even a group of ronin that are tasked to find a "demon" responsible for slaughtering a local daimyo. The reports of demons with otherworldly powers reported in that era would add credence to the story. I can always hope right?

[@4oh63]

“It’s the basic inverse of depictions of native Americans in old movies”. And that’s exactly why the white people were depicted the way they were. Naru doesn’t do enough training to explain her description as “a skilled warrior” that was plastered all over the plot synopses. The Comanche tribe had distinct male and female roles and her shit wouldn’t have been tolerated.

[@PantakesVGP]

Shhh dont wake them up bro, let them rejoice over their fantasy girlboss

[@reignmans]

she doesnt do training cuz women werent included in any kind of hunting or warrior training for the Comanche especially after 1600 when the spaniards introduced them to horse riding. but lets say... getting self taught (altho extremely dangerous cuz that means you are always alone training) as a hunter... to track, to shoot arrows, to use her hatchet etc... mostly on immobile targets (tree trunks) lets just say thats "believable" altho she always kept failing to actually kill anything till she connected that rope to her hatchet and killed 3-4 rabbits. how did she get self taught as a warrior? thats insane.

[@thenson1Halo]

If someone like her had tried hunting and going to war with the men then she would have gone from preparing a Comanche dinner to becoming a Karankawa dinner. Pretty much immediately.

[@Dime_time333]

@@reignmans I can smell the soy seeping from your profile picture. .

[@jlogan2228]

yea its like shes good at throwing a hatchet.......but where the fuck did she learn how to fight just as well if not better than her brother?

[@madtitanthanos7898]

I'm so glad Drinker pointed out the WW1 battlefield because when I watched this movie with my dad and brother, we all joked about it being Verdun in 1719. And can we talk about the awful draw stances of the characters in this film with their bows?? No one draws a bowstring like that. It'd hurt your arm so much.

[@rogerborg]

They were clearly making that bow draw a feature. You know, diversity. What really wound me up was one Patriarchal Male Comanche who kept wrapping his index finger over the shaft. Do you _want_ to get fletching embedded in your hand? Because that's how you _get_ fletchings embedded in your hand.

[@DuggyDarko]

I thought the burnt out wasteland was from the Trappers burning down part of the forest to flush the animals out.

[@Elmonsterhombre]

It's the same way that elf draws his bow in the rings of power trailer. This is gonna be the bow equivalent of that whole spinning-with-swords or reverse grip nonsense. Overchoreographing is a disease of our time

[@anti-rioter-15]

There is a comic book that explains the origin story of the pistol from predator 2.

[@Noperare]

@@anti-rioter-15 Yes, it was a pirate pistol. If both comicbook and Prey are canon, that means that one pistol end up in predator hands then returning to humans 3 different times. Screw it, make this pistol the next predator protagonist. Its 300 years saga with predators. At least it would be a innovative concept to have a movie from the point of view of a gun.

[@milton7763]

“Nobody wants to see a young girl get horrifying injuries on screen” I guess the Drinker is not into slasher movies

[@FlorisDVijfde]

Yeh I didn't get that one. Dillon loses an arm, do chicks want emancipation or not? What they could have done is give this girl the same "protection" the South American girl in Predator had: remain unarmed and therefore left alone by the alien for as long as she didn't carry a bow or axe. They could also have considered poison to kill. Also I don't get the impression there's blood and gore shown that contributes as well to a sense of horror as the first did. The skinned bodies, the gallons of blood...Predator showed a massacre that actually impressed.

[@sFeral]

@@FlorisDVijfde yeah no horror feel at all

[@tomcruze7898]

Revenge is a good movie

[@laoch5658]

they dont make teen slashers anymore

[@haydn-db8z]

Yeah, the one line from this review that didn't land with me. In this day and age, who *doesn't* want to see an on-screen female character get horribly injured?

[@phicks7963]

I'm glad they found a way to genuinely raise the stakes in this franchise. I just wish they didn't have to strip the characters down to using bows and spears to do so.

[@deborahminter6231]

She actually uses herbs in way to conceal herself.

[@billyrattlesticks6949]

The ending to this really threw me off, she literally turns into Neo from The Matrix and completely kicks the shit out of this huge Predator that's effortlessly mowed through an army of heavily armed men with ease. I heard nothing but praise for this film, including from Nate at Mr H reviews who I usually trust and once again, I was really disappointed with it. It's better then The predator or AVP2 but I'd have it behind every other Predator film. I also thought some of the effects were really cheap looking, the bear, The lion and the Wolf looked fake as fuck. I've seen quite a few reviews on here claiming it's better than the original which is fucking laughable, it's NO WHERE NEAR as good as Predator 1, not even remotely close.

[@mct8888]

Don’t forget that silly looking deer that she and her dog chased on foot.

[@billyrattlesticks6949]

@@songgut I'm not sure pal, if he did then I've lost all faith in him lol

[@MrJC1]

What about the rabbit that sat around in the background as she rapid fired the tomohawk on a string into a tree just meters away? Ahahahahaha.

[@jordanhaas6906]

Agree! I was thinking this actually pretty good until the last 15 min. Side note: I cared more about the dog than anyone in the movie 😆

[@willw3736]

This was woke garbage. I don’t know what the critical drinker saw or what he was thinking, I hope he is not turning to the Darkside? Lol…. This was nothing but hot woke garbage!

[@ronanfreeburn1388]

The reason why it's getting such great reviews is that we are inundated with bad Marvel and Netflix movies. Folks have forgotten what a good action flick is. But to be fair I thought Prey was quite solid (even though it has some flaws like bad CGI, they showed the predator too early, and some of the Indians behaved/spoke a bit too modern)

[@Joker.9.9.9]

How can a movie be solid if he has bad CGI, suspens killed at the beginning, natives that act like they from New York City....?

[@jwade2068]

So so true. Watching old action flicks to the new ones,make you realize how good the old stuff really were.

[@Despair-X]

I think they showed they predator early because the producers knew, the audience knew everything about the predator already……. Or maybe because it’s settled in the 1700’s, they wanted to keep the audience intrigued rather than it being boring 🤷🏻‍♂️. Idk

[@ronanfreeburn1388]

@@Joker.9.9.9 LOL, it has some other good qualities that I didn't bother explaining that make it solid lol, I like the period setting, design of the feral predator, and quite liked the Predator's interaction with predators such as the snake, wolf and bear. I personally would have preferred if the Predator won though.

[@kaiderhai86]

True

[@jamesasimmons]

The solution to the gun was given at the end credits. They show the native american story with 3 more ships coming to earth after the events of the movie. So yes it doesn't end well for the tribe. Guess more Yuti came wondering what happened and also they are wanting to leave an advance ship around Personally I have always wanted to see a space marine from Aliens vs predator movie.

[@Jesses001]

Too be fair, the predators seem to respect individuals strong enough to win a duel with one of them. They may have left the tribe alive out of respect. We are never really told how that goes.

[@BrokeProphet]

@@Jesses001 100% this is how it SHOULD be. Who knows how it will actually play out. There are masters of the hunt predators, the one who gave the cop the gun in P2 was such a master of the hunt. Another master of the hunt showed up at the end of the one in Antarctica, and gave her a weapon as well after he seen she was 'blooded' by killing an alien and her face marked. In the comics that pistol was taken off of a pirate captain whose crew turned against him.

[@transformerdude4251]

Love how you could make the same critiques of the first, but you know your audience and understand they aren't smart enough too, so cheers to that

[@deborahminter6231]

Exactly!😂

[@xJAWAx]

I can't help but think Ripley in alien as a counterpoint to the hunter girl in prey. Ripley was such a badass because she survived something way stronger than her and something so horrifying. She could have been squashed at any moment, couldn't have physically fought it if she wanted to. I connect so much more with that characterization.

[@StevieB8363]

Ripley is an iconic character BECAUSE she wasn't invincible. In every movie we see her scared and vulnerable. She was simply mentally tough, smart, and practical. She was relatable because she showed fear. She was "badass" but didn't have the kind of plot armour that would let her take on an alien directly. I'll also mention Sarah Connor: when she makes her escape from the mental hospital we see how tough and capable she is - but when faced with a Terminator she is terrified, knowing that this thing is near-indestructible. In the original Predator, even the mighty Dutch got the crap kicked out of him when he went hand-to-hand with the alien. Heroes are best when they have weaknesses, boring if they can't be hurt.

[@Choom2077]

@@StevieB8363 Exactly this. Very well said, Stevie.

[@johnnydamon1612]

This girl could’ve been crushed many times. The predator doesn’t see her as a threat. That’s why she’s able to fight it.

[@Jay-og4yb]

@@StevieB8363 um in the og pred Dutch was invincible and literally tanked a plasma round to the chest. Every other person that was hit with the plasma cannon was obliterated. The final fight was him getting beat up until dropping a log and killing pred. It's amazing what the originals are allowed to get away with yet if they show up in new movies everyone whines

[@ManSpider92]

@@johnnydamon1612 Not to mention it's young and cocky.

[@TheRiisingSun]

The best part of the whole movie was when the brother fought the Predator. Spoiler talk below. He was so confident in himself that he was whooping around on his horse and just dodging the Predator firing his bolts at him. Spears the Predator and proceeds to use a bow in close combat, taking arrows already fired into the Predator to inflict new wounds. Talk about a fucking badass fighter. The Predator got so frustrated it literally goes back to camo mode because "fuck I'm losing!" Then the movie decides we've had enough of this cool male character and the brother decides to do a 20 second monologue instead of get out of the way of the stealthy branch snapping Predator behind him?! X_x

[@caspar_gomez]

lol I almost feel guilty for it but I found the brother much more interesting and likeable

[@wilmerbesitan1200]

@@caspar_gomez very true

[@OlDirtyBaron]

@@caspar_gomez I think the film would've been better if the brother and sister were co-leads who relied on one another to survive.

[@justanothernobody7142]

Yes that was the worse part of the movie for me. The brother was completely kicking it's ass on his own one minute the next he's like well that's enough ass kicking for me because I'm a male and not the star of the movie so I'll just die now.

[@caspar_gomez]

@@OlDirtyBaron agreed they should have done a training day/fury road type set up. Shit gets real and rookie has to step up

[@patrickrowles5747]

Given the inclusion of the iconic "If it bleeds, we can kill it" line, I'm surprised they didn't have a fight scene where someone spotted a tomahawk lying around that another character could pick up and use. Then they could have shouted, "Get to the chopper!"

[@osmanyousif7849]

Or even better, someone is chewing some stuff, and says, “This will make you a goddamn sexual tyrannosaurus! Just like me.”.

[@rhuiden4086]

Or after grabbing the tomahawk someone should have shouted, "choppa its head off!". A line like that would perfectly suit this movie.😂

[@mikehunt7888]

It's pronounced "Choppa", get it right.

[@patrickrowles5747]

@@mikehunt7888 You win the internet! 😉

[@plisskenetic]

11:14 - That's a freakin Mary Sue in my book! This movie was sucha an anti-male pro feminist flick thru and thru! What MANY people don't realize is she is in fact responsible for killing all her men in this movie! She's specifically told by her bro not to venture off onto the hills or whatever but she clearly cockily disobeys - she then encounters the bear and quicksand. Afterwards her men appear coz they said they have to bring her back but then they die so that's on her... and eventually her bro too and all she says later is 'You all think I can't hunt?!" - not even a moment to mourn her bro who sacrificed himself for her! She's definitely a narcissist!! Many people either don't see this or even flat out deny it!

[@Wings137]

Movie: **Not an absolute burning dumpster fire** Media: _Masterpiece it is!!👏😤🎉_

[@msscott22]

That's basically the modern standard, yup. Oh how far we have fallen.

[@DuggyDarko]

The bar is on the fucking floor

[@Erasureeraser]

I think people say it's a masterpiece simply because we finally actually got a great new installment Predator movie in a very long time

[@alstenfung5508]

@@msscott22 tbh the standards were also shit decades ago.

[@ptrlyonawesome]

One of the challenges of having a female protagonist in a film like this is that it is hard to damage the character. If a creature that can pick up a bear lands a blow on a 120 pound female then she is dead. At least it would stretch my suspension of disbelief. Even glancing blows would be devastating.

[@petkokrushev3840]

yeah, considering if we take an MMA Male fighter VS some girl like the main character, the damage would be unbearable and this is human on human, here we have a f*cking Predator vs some girl and she can stand her grand...f*ck off film

[@joshuagarner1654]

120 is being generous

[@thejourneyman8890]

@@artrosear yeah but they aren't scared to injure men. Think of Naruto or Ichigo. They get beat up repeatedly but they win fights (and periodically lose) because they don't quit and look tankier than 100lbs women.

[@wb7585]

I man the predator pimp slapping Arnold sent him flying several meters and spitting blood

[@30.06onaGrassyKnoll]

@@thejourneyman8890 no! im not gunna look are CARTOONS so i can compare what a 100lbs woman can do...jesus kid, grow up!

[@evildead0.575]

Rotten tomato score for Prey is 92. The original Predator is 80. Rotten Tomatoes is really runned by "proffesional" movie critics huh.

[@MrMittens1974]

If Arnold was a gay male it'd have a score in the 90s.

[@OperatorKain]

That's largely an issue with the Rotten Tomatoes format. New movies generally rate really high or really low when they first premier, then their score normalizes to a more accurate rating over time.

[@HonkHonkler]

I hate life.

[@rebotsomat]

@@OperatorKain its also because there arent many reviews for the old movie. If you look at the site, there are only 55 reviews for the original movie, while there are over 200 for Prey.

[@MrJohnmarston13]

Lol stay mad

[@Asaq231]

The thing that absolutely took me out of this movie was how the predator dies. I was having so much fun with the movie but I cannot accept that he wouldnt see that trap coming. In the first movie you know the predator is an excellent hunter because he recognises the traps Dutch places for him. He doesn’t just go walk through them like an idiot.

[@deborahminter6231]

He didn't recognize it, he suspected Dutch had set some kind of trap for him.

[@mitche1841]

The predators actually do roll into the village immediately afterwards. It's shown in the animated sequence at the end.

[@Mugen0445]

Would be fun if it was tied into Roanoke.

[@NoName-eo2mv]

Yeah and she killed all of them as well

[@NoName-eo2mv]

@Darth Revan joking

[@Gamenofun]

Maybe not. Remember, someone was drawing that on a cave wall at some point to explain the story, so someone survived the Predators coming to the village. Also, the predators aren't a society that massacres villages outside of Bug Hunts due to Alien implantation and infestation with rogue queens. Predators are instead ritualistic, and when one is defeated by someone, they come to reclaim the body and their technology, also honor the killer with a trophy or token of the hunt and recognize them as something worthy of hunting (this is assuming the predator whom lost didn't ritually kill themselves with their detonator gauntlet like the Jungle Hunter in the first movie, which is why Dutch has no visitation, while Harrigan does). But we don't see the predator helmet she used to bait the trap, nor the retracting whip blade she took earlier (unless she kept it, but we don't see it again after the trapper is used as bait scene, so don't know). Also she didn't really defeat it, since it killed itself by accident, but semantics. For lore sense, we'll say she beat the predator. But why they would come to the village makes no sense. The hypothetical explanation is they came to honor her having defeated one of their own, and traded the pistol as a remembrance token of the hunt. What they gave her for honor, no idea. We'll have to see if they explain how it really ended and where it went from there. Also, the predator in this film looks very little like the normal Yautja and more like their more feral berserker cousins the Hish, which also puts into question how that pistol came back in possession of the Yautja from Predator 2. At some point, that pistol traded hands back into Yautja society, or this predator in Prey has yet to evolve into a Yautja is also possible. They could've explained this so much easier by simply having her kill the predator, take the flintlock off its body, having earlier the predator took it off the slain body of the french fur trapper as a trophy. The end. But instead, they went this road. Le sigh.

[@lifeuncommon1116]

I noticed that too!!!! And was saddened by it.

[@marinescu0511]

I have to say, it was refreshing to watch this with my father and for him to wince at every cringy, nonsensical moments the same time I did. Him and I loved the original to death and he really wanted to see this movie for the chance that it would be a good movie, especially after having seen (then quickly turned off) The Predator. It also kinda made me sad, because its just now another predator movie that doesn't give him that experience he has been patiently waiting to see replicated once again.

[@JohnSmith-bu3fw]

I don't know how you ever felt it was going to be a good film. The synopsis was leaked early: "8 stone girl kicks predator's ass". So more the fool you watching it and hoping for anything different...

[@willt8988]

At this point, Hollywood is removing all our cultural icons and heros in the retelling. The equivalent of removing Thomas Jefferson’s statue. The work of New World Order iconoclasts.

[@benjaminnielsen4288]

I think we are all in the same boat as your dad, wishing once again to have that great cinematic experience. I loved the original and the 2nd one is okay with me too. Still enjoy watching both. I didn't watch the last predator movie, but I will probably watch this new one. Why not.

[@DuggyDarko]

My eyes nearly rolled out my head at the "if it bleeds we can kill it" line. So fucking contrived.

[@numbr17]

You'll never see anything as good as the original Predator again, my friend. I watched this with my best friend two nights ago, and it was the same exact scenario. We both laughed though a fair amount of it. Ridiculous that so many people think this was some great film. It just shows how stupid the average joe is, I guess.

[@whatisbestinlife8112]

The funny thing is even at the end of the first film Dutch only wins basically by chance. He escapes, and only just barely. Even with all his attempts at fighting back on a primal level and his cunning in setting a smart trap the predator actually is as/more cunning. It spots the trap and moves to avoid it. It shows an impressive level of caution even when enjoying the dominating hand up to that moment. It's only by chance that as moving around the placement of the spikes that it walks directly under the counter weight and gives Dutch the extremely remote chance to drop it on him. If not for the predator walking through that one square meter of space under the suspended log that Dutch gets to drop on it, Dutch is getting his ticket punched about 5 seconds later. Because that was Dutch's last trick and it didn't actually work. Dutch eventually, arguably, matched the predator as a hunter. But he never came remotely close to out-fighting it. He got his ass whooped. And Dutch's cunning in setting the trap was matched by the cunning of the predator in noticing and avoiding the trap's intended kill zone. Dutch didn't win. He escaped. And only through an ultimate moment of incredibly good fortune.

[@MAZEMIND]

Facts

[@Ares-dn3qp]

And this is why it was such a good film. The Predator was doing it for fun, it wasn’t doing it for survival; it was for a laugh. It could have killed then all straight off the bat if it had to.

[@wiseguy617]

@@Ares-dn3qp EXACTLY!

[@genises200]

​@@Ares-dn3qp No it was doing it because it's a young blood. it's been sent there to prove itself and was over confident and inexperienced compared to the older predators

[@Ares-dn3qp]

@@genises200 nowhere in the film does it suggest that. It’s fairly obvious that it handicaps itself to make the hunt more interesting. There’s entire scenes to it disarm itself to prolong the fight, it knows exactly what it was doing.

[@stefansibbes2440]

When the best character in your movie is a dog, you're in trouble. That said I think the cinematography and the portrayal of the predator and its lethality (except for the last 20 minutes) made the movie an enjoyable watch. Solid 7/10.