Pride & Prejudice 2005: All Grime, All The Time

Ah, Pride and Prejudice 2005. Keira Knightley as Elizabeth Bennet! Not-so-respectable Bennets! Gratuitous bare-hand contact! A decent Mr Darcy! And period films for people who don't know anything about period films!

[@robinkrauter5633]

EXACTLY like Orlando! Finally someone says it!

[@sarosenna5850]

I always keep on thinking Jannis Niewöhner in Rubinrot, honestly.

[@ScottyDMcom]

I first watched the 2005 movie here on YT. Someone had cut the resolution down to 240 lines, sliced the movie up into 10 minute pieces, and uploaded them. I was convinced Mr. Wickham was played by Orlando Bloom. When I bought the Blu-Ray I realized my error.

[@Winterappleby]

I came here to comment this! EXACTLY!!!!

[@Midorikonokami]

Buffo bloom

[@Nyxira]

Orlando Bloom seems to have a lot of look-alikes. There's another one in the Three Musketeers movie (2011). Which was especially fun because Orlando Bloom was also in that movie.

[@emmarichardson965]

This version was 13-year-old me's introduction to Jane Austen. As an introvert with high-functioning social anxiety, this version of Darcy is near and dear to my heart because of how freaking uncomfortable he looks at all times. At last, a movie character who looks like how I feel in social situations!!

[@mandarinadreux9572]

same! After having read the book, I actually think it is a very true representation of his character in the book.

[@melannydayrethratliff1309]

For me was far the opposite, I really dislike how in 2005 version he is just shy, and as introverted person with social anxiety but big ego, I can say that people then to look at me in two ways only. Black and White: they either hate me because they think I don't want to talk with them because I think of myself as superior and they took that personally or they infantalized me - oh she is shy so cute - Is not a compliment but a pressure on my shoulders because I know in the moment I vocalize my ideas they would think I was just arrogant the whole time 😂 And also could be that I read p&p 1st and then watch the movie and it was far off to what I had imagine.

[@JaronActual]

Having read the book multiple times, and having a formal English language and literature education, it would appear we're in agreement. Yes, the BBC series is incredibly faithful to the source material. As such it's a fantastic work. The 2005 movie is a wonderful deconstruction/interpretation. To use an imperfect analogy, it's the storytelling version of the spirit vs the letter of the law. It uses an exaggerated presentation at times to make-up for the omitted elements and shorter duration. But the exaggeration is used judiciously, enough to make its point without beating you over the head, or to intentionally set itself apart like screaming, "Look how daring I am!" The book may not include a smoldering dance or a rejected proposal in the rain followed by passionate staring. But those scenes delivered the same intent as the book, just in much shorter time. I think that's the key for adaptations and interpretations. Changes to the original work need to follow the original's intent, not just be an excuse for a director/producer to say, "Look how modern and clever we are."

[@kristasolovjova1125]

Thank you ! I saw the 2005 first, fell in love with it, later saw 1995 series too, liked them reasonably. Then I had an English literature professor shit on how unfaithful to the book the 2005 one is, so ... basically I read the book in the original language just to be able to argue well and from an informed standpoint as to how she was wrong about it. The spirit, the soul of the characters and the growth they go through - from everything I've seen up to now, 2005 still does the best, 1995 following closely second. But they just are very different animals.

[@TheQuietCottage]

"an awkward, awkward turtle who hates people" 😂😂 perfect

[@mayhit]

I'm five-and-a-half years late, but I just want to say how much it warms my heart to hear someone who is a fan of the book and the mini series speak well of the movie. I clicked on this video with the plan to back click immediate if it was just gonna be 7 minutes of shitting on the movie, and was so delighted when you gave it a fair shake and remarked upon all the things I love most about it. Thank you, truly.

[@aine2point045]

My sentiments exactly!

[@justjukka]

As an adoring fan of the book and mini series, I didn't enjoy this movie, but I DO very much enjoy favorable reviews of it. It's kinda like, as a Star Wars fan, I absolutely LOVE detailed reads of everything wrong with the franchise, possibly more than reviews that agree with me. As long as it's fair and balanced, it feels like a conversation, ya know?

[@livingandthriving]

This film was my introduction to Pride and Prejudice and therefore holds a very special place in my heart. I read the book some time afterwards and was impressed with how well the movie captured the spirit of said book. Also, the casting is PERFECT. :)

[@terrylynn7936]

Same for me! I also learned how to play that intro song because of that :3

[@srkh8966]

This version kept Austen’s plot, but otherwise stripped Austen out of it.

[@hattyburrow716]

It’s a gorgeous film, but it’s NOT Pride and Prejudice. He is nothing like Darcy as written and it’s lovely...but not Jane Austen

[@mariem24601]

The movie was referred to by my college roommate, who ended up doing her PhD thesis on the family units in Austen, as "Emily Brontë's Pride and Prejudice". Which is a succinct and accurate way to nailing where it goes off the rails. It takes Austen's plot, but everything else is trying so hard to be Wuthering Heights, right down to moving the entire story OUT of the time period it was originally set in because the male-gaze of the director did not think the empire-waist silhouette was "sexy" enough for his movie.

[@srkh8966]

@@mariem24601 lol, I just described this version to a friend as “if the Bronte sisters rewrote P & P!

[@actress5256]

That shot of Darcy’s hand as he walks away from the carriage I s my absolute favorite

[@marym361]

The 2005 Pride and Prejudice was the first adaptation of a classic book that made my YA-obsessed 16-year-old self give classic literature a shot. I watched it no less than four times within a year of first seeing it. I know we don't need to compare and pick favourites but... like some other commenters here, Pride and Prejudice 2005 came first for me so it has a special place in my heart. The music and cinematography really do it for me! I love the 1996 miniseries, but the golden light and sweeping shots and delicate piano of the 2005 movie are just *chef's kiss* (That being said, I watched your Lizzie Bennet Diaries video earlier today and was reminded of how flawless that is. Maybe I just love Pride and Prejudice...)

[@a35362]

So apparently Donald Sutherland covers his mouth when he's laughing because he's aware that his modern teeth are way too good for the period!

[@alisaurus4224]

I thought it was to give him a mannerism for Elizabeth to mirror, to underline that she’s his favorite

[@keithklassen5320]

Have you seen his teeth tho?

[@emilys1418]

"One can like two different adaptations of a thing without having a favorite" PREACH sister!! I love the book. I love both the 1995 and 2005 adaptations of it. I'm so tired of internet snobs dumping all over the 2005 version because they happened to have seen the 1995 version first and will only accept Colin Firth as Mr. Darcy. They are both so good for different reasons and are both wonderful! And, I'm sorry to offend, snobs, but there are some things that the 2005 version actually did BETTER than the 1995! Shocking, I know

[@Loulizabeth]

Totally agree ! I like both versions and also see that there are things that the 2005 version does better. The ages of the actors and actresses being one of them, which I admit I've always struggled with in the 1995 version. Especially with the Bennett Sisters. But I do love how in-depth the 1995 version is able to go given and how much more of the plot they're able to show. That said I also love the black and white version with Laurence Olivier and Greer Garson and The Lizzie Bennett Diaries too.

[@emilys1418]

@@Loulizabeth Yes, that’s one of my problems too!! Elizabeth is supposed to be 20 years old, but the woman who played her in the 1995 version was 26 and looked 30. And I understand beauty standards were different back in the early 1800s but Jane was supposed to be the prettiest character and Rosamond Pike was the perfect choice to play her. Jane and Bingley are both just so ugly in the 1995 version 😬 I do love how the 1995 version got to include almost everything from the book though, especially the parts where Lizzie visits Pemberley. That was one of my favorite parts of the book and not much of it makes it in the 2005 version. I love the LBD too ❤️

[@RealBenda]

When I was watching this adaptation (as my first contact with P&P ever) in my teens, I was thinking... eh, ok, I guess that's alright... and then came the rain, the longing Darcy look, the phrases like "I was merely admiring the general splendor", the little shots like the ballroom suddenly emptying. That was it. I got the book, I fell in love with it, and I feel better for it. Thanks for analyzing many of the things I also distantly noticed, but couldn't exactly put my finger on. Goodness, I love movie analysis!

[@ladybug3700]

I love, love, love this movie!! For some unknown reason, I watch it every Christmas, just because it makes my heart happy.

[@heathers8826]

Yes! with the Mr. Whitcomb and Orlando Bloom similarity. Every time I see him I do a double take even though I know it's not him.

[@bfzakrajsek]

Darn it. Now I have to go back and rewatch this version, something I haven't done since it came out. Like you, I perceived the BBC version to be superior in quality after one watch, but I should give it another chance.

[@bfzakrajsek]

So I just finished up and it is better than I remember with some amazing moments and acting (Donald Sutherland truly looks like someone who is experiencing his happiest/saddest moment at the end). My only gripe is that the camera work would be brilliant one moment with long takes meandering about and then zoom in five minutes later and then do a smash cut. It was just jarring. I do appreciate your video for inducing me to watch it again. It won't be the last time. Now off to start the miniseries. Thanks

[@DezMarivette]

Yesssss I love this version! Also that musical score sweeps me away every single time. I swoon!

[@Poorstargazer23]

This movie wasn't my first introduction to Jane Austen, but it did give me the push to consume her works, and other classics, with seriousness. I think the grime and informal (and more overtly passionate) nature is why. I had seen other period dramas, but to my young self they seemed almost stand-offish. The 2005 film ended up being a gateway drug to being able to appreciate period drama, and now as an adult I love them. Oh, and the music score in general and long shots during the balls are so good at capturing mood and multiple plot points very quickly without feeling jarring.

[@swingloveEKL]

YES the score is absolutely amazing! It's one of my favorite movie scores of all time--it's just so pretty!

[@petrastedman669]

Continuing to work my way through the SYL backlog, partially because I adore everything you do and esp. as I'm gearing up to introduce a girlfriend to P&P and recalled you did like every version known to man. I was 20 and skipped my chemistry midterm to go see this film in the theatre. I was one of 3 people and proceeded to giggle or gasp with abandon whenever the mood took me. Which was often. And I sat there, comparing without conscious intent against the much-lauded miniseries and finding nothing wanting. The updates worked, the casting worked, the realism worked, the changes and cuts and little trims like they were taking a well-known hand-me-down dress and tailoring it to fit *them* and their style worked.

[@JillBearup]

Check back on the 8th February and I’ll have covered Pride & Prejudice & Zombies too, albeit from a more specific perspective 😊

[@petrastedman669]

Awww, @@JillBearup you'll be giving me a slightly belated birthday present! (I'm 6 Feb) I adore you and look forward to analysis of the Lizzie/Darcy dynamic and kickass fighting of the undead. 💖

[@elizatherocker]

2005 Pride and Prejudice is one of my very favorite movies and I could literally watch it every week. I love hearing other people say great things about it!

[@everausten]

I love this series! You're so nice about the beautiful 2005 pure romance version ✨🌟🌙

[@rubydoo3307]

You were so right to say the word 'accessible' this was a gateway in to Austen and then alter the Bronte's for me. But to my surprise, my 35 year old action movie fanboy brother loved it, because it told the story well and kept him engaged by being just so pretty, musically interesting, and entertaining.

[@yaelthieme6527]

First time I watched it was a week after my first really hard break-up. Impeccable timing for my poor crushed heart. I hated it. Because it was beautiful and wonderful 😂. Keep on doing what you're doing, Jill :)

[@cantbeleveitsnotnaru]

I was a little worried from the title for another "blah 2005 one is terrible!", and am pleasantly surprised! This is one of my favorite movies. The music, the sweeping shots, the intense eye f%#@ing, it's so good. I like the other adaptations, but this one was my first love, and introduction into Jane Austin. I finally read the book in the last year and it's quickly also become one of my favorites. Big thing that the 2005 version misses is Darcy's growth as a person, which is tragic. But it also has a hilarious interpretation of Lizzy seeing Pemberly for the first time.

[@actress5256]

I personally feel like they nail Darcy’s awkward turtle-ness in this! They make him a little more endearing from the beginning to the audience though just because his heart eyes are fully present right away 😂

[@zenmasterfu]

I was (am!) a book purist, so I wasn't exactly a fan of the 2005 version when I first saw. The "I love, love, love you" scene, urgh, beautiful scene, ruined by the dialogue ... but ... I love period dramas, corset rippers, all that and it's so damn grimy, and also so lovely to every character (unlike the book). Mrs. Bennett and Mary are adorable in this film and actually much more relatable than in the book. Also, Jill, I've just discovered your channel ... will you stop talking to my heart please! Of course you would have Jane Austin videos ... and firefly ... and discworld ... and sword fights!

[@ThatDurre]

I don’t see how anyone can hate P&P 2005! It’s so beautiful!

[@shwetaagarwalla515]

I loke both the movie made in 2005 and the BBC episodes made in 1995. The character darcy is the hero of my dream and is very close to my heart and played by both the actors perfectly well.

[@kyrianalynch9721]

I tried to give this version another go this Christmas, since I'm one of those ardent-proponents-of-the-miniseries people. While I can relate to some of the awkwardness of the characters' interactions, it just felt SO awkward that I found it nearly unwatchable from secondhand embarrassment! Plus, some of what Lizzy did seemed so impossibly out of character (at Pemberley, spying on Darcy and Georgiana?? Rather than trying to avoid that dreaded awkward encounter!). And Lydia is...miscast, I'd say. I just don't buy that version of Wickham running off with her, however willing she might have been. I (think) I can forgive the strange costuming choices, since they were going for a ~vibe~ but gosh...Caroline Bingley's dresses are just out of a 70s harlequin romance cover. I love the overall look of the film and the gorgeous cinematography and score, but character-development-wise it fell short for me.

[@kyrianalynch9721]

All that to say, I hope they make another version soon! 2025, I have my fingers crossed!

[@QuestionableLifeChoices]

hi, i know this is old, but on the american post-wedding scene: the thing that always stuck to me besides the sensuality and the relaxed nature of it, is the "you may only call me mrs. darcy when you are completely, perfectly, and incandescently happy" line, because mr and mrs bennet are always shown calling each other that. lizzie had to get that idea from somewhere imo, and i love the idea that it adds another layer to the bennets

[@4492]

I only finally watched P&P 2005 a few weeks ago (and loved it) so I've not yet tracked down the missing scene, but oh my god, that is wonderful!

[@alisaurus4224]

That’s one thing i love about this version-the Bennett parents like each other underneath all the fracas. I hate how screechy Mrs. B is in the BBC version everyone loves so much.

[@rosebroce4588]

You're good. Indeed, I'm satisfied!

[@Ranblv]

I watched this version before reading the book. still my favorite.

[@BixLovesMiley]

Excuse me, I know it's been five years and even longer since you started talking about P&P adaptations, but, would you consider reviewing Pride and Prejudice and Zombies? Because a) it is an adaptation that I had zero expectations for and it blew me away how well the story fits the setting, b) it has some fight scenes in it... So... :)

[@Neddoest]

I love this movie too much. It’s the music, I think. Love this soundtrack.... and Darcy, of course.

[@lisaroper421]

That's funny that you like the Charlotte scene, because that's the one that just slapped me in the face with modern talk. I am glad you like it though! I am so glad that it brought Austen to so many people!

[@MegaMilenche]

They got every single major character wrong.

[@Nyxira]

So I very recently saw this movie for the first time ever. I don't really care much for romance stories (I like romance in stories, just don't generally like romance focused stories, they drag on). But I really enjoyed this movie. And it wasn't so much "oh, look at the romance, it's so cute, omg" for me. There were bits of that which stood out to me and that I really liked, sure, but I didn't enjoy that stuff nearly as much as my sisters with whom I was watching it. What really stood out to me about this movie was just how phenomenally well done it was. The directing, the cinematography, the costumes, the sets, the editing, the acting- those micro-expressions! All of it was on point and I dare say practically perfect in communicating exactly what they were supposed to communicate. I was geeking out about it the whole time.

[@tinymxnticore]

I've been avoiding this video for so long because I love the movie and I'm sick of people trashing it. You do an excellent job of describing what makes the film special, without making unnecessary comparisons. Thank you!

[@9401maru]

I love Mrs. Bennet version of this movie. She feels more real to me and, funnily enough, quite like my own mother

[@alisaurus4224]

The miniseries Mrs. B makes me want to slap her. So screechy!

[@tournedede]

Love this movie too - My favorite scene is the morning after Lady Catherine visit to Lizzy, where she goes for a (very) early morning walk and meet Mr Darcy there - beautiful!

[@AhriOfAstora]

I love Pride and Prejudice in any form :3 If you need any art for your channel please reach out to me.

[@Annemoontje]

After being introduced to the BBC series in English class (... let's not think about how long ago this was), absolutely falling in love with it (and subsequently the books), I've been scared to watch this version ever since. But you convinced me, it's time to give this version a chance!

[@mrherc85]

This movie introduced 20 year-old ESL me to the works of Jane Austen, and what a joy it has been! I really enjoyed how the movie keeps the UST going to the very end, and if I'm to be honest, the kissing scene at the end of the US version felt unnecessary, even. The director's comment in the DVD brings so much more of the experience to light, as well. Fun times

[@limerence8365]

I was 12/13 when I watched this and it was my immediate favourite and like you it took me a while to warm up to watching another adaption (the 1995 version, so the other way around but when I did decide to watch that I loved it) and yes I immediately noticed this Wickham looked like Orlando Bloom and thought of Pirates of the Carrabean where he played a love interest to another upper middle class period character called Elizebeth that is also played by Kiera Knightley.

[@EtzEchad]

I'm a guy so I'm not really the target audience for this film, but I liked it quite a lot. Since I never read the book (did I mention that I'm a guy?) I wasn't disappointed by any changes they made with the text, so I appreciated the filmmaking.

[@anna_in_aotearoa3166]

Awwww..... It makes me sad to think there may be whole generations of guys out there who haven't encountered the joys of Jane Austen's snarky dialogue and caustic observations on social norms, just due to gender-linked reading expectations... 😥 Really hope there are at least a few who got introduced to it by high school English classes or literary parents/siblings and were pleasantly surprised, despite the language perhaps being a bit less accessible for modern audiences without the film visuals to help...?

[@anna_in_aotearoa3166]

@@dzonbrodi514 😊 I've seen Mrs Gaskell's work around, even got an e-copy of it I think, but have yet to actually read it? Your recommendation sounds good though! (That is one thing that does feel a little odd with J.A.'s books - she's an expert miniaturist, but the larger context is barely sketched in?)

[@Sidmarine]

Everyone loves Lizzie and Darcy (so do I) but I prefer jane and Bingley. They just melt my heart

[@nixpike3883]

I remember watching this when it first came out with a fellow English teacher. We were in stitches and yet the rest of the people in the theatre were quiet.

[@sandichase7571]

Huge Austen fan and I loved this adaptation. I agree, comparing this and the BBC version is like oranges and apples.

[@elithewholeshebang]

AHHH When you said "I'm satisfied" at 6:18 I had to stop, rewind and listen again, and then SQUEAL with fangirl excitement. Thanks for the reference!!!!!

[@mandarinadreux9572]

I actually love both, the book and this adaptation! I felt, it really brought across the characters. Also, the music is ... so... nice... btw you have a lovely voice and listening to you is very relaxing.

[@LusiaEyre]

I could not warm up to this film. I must be too much of a book purist because the animals in the Bennet house and Lizzie yelling at Darcy did not work for me at all. Bennets were not poor and Lizzy still adhered to social rules.

[@meganjaime7728]

Yes! Thank you. This is exactly how I felt. I didn’t like the grit because they are upper middle class so they would be put together and also because I’m a book purist. 😁

[@annejeppesen160]

My objections to this adaptation exactly!

[@jessieborrell1856]

I saw the movie first and then the BBC series and since I have seen the BBC version I CANNOT watch the movie and enjoy it. It just bothers me LOL

[@annejeppesen160]

@@jessieborrell1856 how curious, that's exactly my "path" as well

[@danielaf3092]

What a bunch of Carolines.

[@IJustWantToUseMyName]

I absolutely love this movie, but that ball at the public assembly room has always struck me as the visual interpretation of body odor.

[@anna_in_aotearoa3166]

Weeeell.... in that day and age pomades and perfumes were major, but running water wasn't a thing, and neither was deodorant, so... probably a fair bit of actual BO going on there too, as well as plenty of clashing fragrances? 😋

[@emeralddarkness]

You know I watched this and the soundtrack is magical but I didn't really love it - Wickham being so close to a non presence was the biggest problem I had with it but I wasn't wild about other parts either, but I think you've convinced me to give it another try.

[@thesisypheanjournal1271]

I can't get past the fact that the entire Bennett family looks as if they don't own a hairbrush among the lot of them and just comb their hair with their fingers if at all. It's one thing for one's hair to become a bit blowsy from being outside without hairspray, but it's another thing to be going about looking as if one got out of bed without combing one's hair.

[@mariem24601]

None of the hair is appropriate- they would not have their hair down like that in public at all! But again, the style decisions of the entire movie are based on what a man considered sexy, so of course we aren't seeing any kind of attempt at period-appropriate hair. Heaven-forbid Lizzy Bennett not look F-able to 2005 audiences.

[@muymuy777]

I did find it bizarre myself! Everyone's hair was a huge mess!

[@anna_in_aotearoa3166]

Yeah... I have to admit the whole thing of bare heads out in public and women's long hair worn loose ditto really put me off this adaptation, because those (plus some other aspects) were just SO far from historically-adjacent for the period, let alone historically accurate...?? 😬 And that's despite loving the actors who played both main characters! I'm all for a loose adaptation of the text, but at least keep the core social mores right?

[@HolandaChiquita]

I couldn't agree more. I love the changes that they decided on in this film.

[@canterlevi]

I think of this version as Charlotte Bronte does Pride & Prejudice. 😉

[@byronservies4043]

Particularly with Austin films I find myself rating them more on the things I like than dislike. The re-mastered 1995 is incredible, but I love the 2005 sound track so much. And the smoldering tension.

[@justjukka]

I didn't like the ballroom scene with everyone disappearing, because the intensity was all Mr Darcy's, at that point in time. Implying that Elizabeth felt anything akin to that paints her subsequent actions and behaviors in an unfavorable light. That's been my read, in any case. YMMV 💞

[@cailin5301]

The 1995 version is by far my favorite, but this version is definitely very good. It certainly doesn't hurt that it has an excellent cast. There are a few scenes in it that make me cringe a tiny bit, but on the other hand there are scenes I could watch over and over again, and all the characters felt very accurate. .... Side note, I was totally spooked by your hand's shadow on the wall when you gestured. For a second my eyes played tricks on me and I thought someone was behind you or something 😵

[@CarinaPiersay]

I love the 2005 version! I have watched it countless times. The series is my second favorite. Two words... Colin Firth!

[@ludiprice]

I think I'm too much of a book purist to like this much, so thanks for explaining why it didn't quite jive with me! Also... Keira's Knightley's perma-pout annoys me! XD

[@kiaranaria7211]

Those are just her lips, though. I've watched an interview with her where she says that the director always reprimanded her when she did the pout. She said that there was only one pout that he didn't notice and ended up in the final cut. I always try to find it, but forget a few minutes in... Someday maybe

[@TheLoonsPit]

I remember watching this film when I came out and watching it with my sisters and mom. Good memories

[@Footprints1921]

I love this movie. Absolutely and wholeheartedly. ❤ And it feels not as stuffy as the 95 version.

[@margiepickle]

Yes! I notice immediately when I first watched this Mr. Wickham looks like a blond Orlando Bloom

[@ilkyway5854]

You are so absolutely right! And I have to thank you! I always felt a bit guilty liking both adaptations. I have listened to the Audiobook at least 10 times so I do care much about the book too. (Not sure why I felt the need to include this information 😊) Great video, THANK YOU.

[@m_here1]

have you ever seen the 1945 version of pride and prejudice? if not, definitely worth a watch. the costumes are the wrong era and there's a lot of weird quirks that come from the style of filmmaking in the 40s vs. now, but it's definitely worth a watch. in particular, the acting talents of greer garson and sir laurence olivier make it amazing.

[@iridescentdemon]

The mini series is so much more immersive to me, like a slow burn romance from another world. The film takes aesthetic liberties and truncates the plot so much it all feels too fast and too modern. I just didnt feel much when i watched it. Plus colin firth is really the one and only Darcy to me

[@korinemlbernard3256]

I am a fan of P&P and you very accurate, academic and yes respectful comparison not only put excellent words to my sentiments but also gave the 2005 version newfound grace in my eyes and heart. So thank you for this. New subie her 👏🏾 love your style and delivery 😄 going to binge watch P&P videos 😂❤️🇨🇦

[@AngelofGrace96]

Once again you make amazing points. I absolutely love the accessibility in period stories, like you said, it does so well to help modern audiences understand it without dumbing it down for them or unecessarily modernizing it, as well as the more... familyness of the bennetts. Like in the miniseries it was understood they loved each other, but it felt so much closer and kinder in this one. Also, as a film studies student, I really appreciated the cinematography of this one. Having characters narrate letters might be better for book accuracy, but it's far more engaging (in my opinion) to show a shot of the Bingleys and Darcy ride away from Netherfield and then see servants packing up the house and be able to figure that out for yourself than to see a character tell another character that they've left.

[@Monker4444]

Charlotte's scene, which you reference at 2:11 was actually contributed to the script by actress Emma Thompson (who does not appear in the film but was asked to take a pass at the script due to her familiarity with the genre and her love of the book).

[@milo_thatch_incarnate]

For me, I relate to liking multiple adaptions of one story the exact same way I do with different translations of the Bible lol. Case in point, 2005 PaP is like the New International Version or the New Living Translation: more of a paraphrasing of the general ideas, definitely not a word-for-word. Whereas older adaptions--specifically the 1995 miniseries--are more like the English Standard Version or the King James Version: less accessible, but a truer translation of the original story. And just like movie--or Bible--adaptions, you can appreciate the differences between them, and think of each as a different angle and a different lens through which to take in a great story.

[@lisaroper421]

Ha! I love it! I can definitely relate to that too. Although just like with the Bible, I like the older better 😂 I must like things unaccessible!

[@milo_thatch_incarnate]

@@lisaroper421 I would call it a generalized loss of the love of complex, antiquated language, which only some of us still enjoy. Reading Shakespeare for fun, etc. There's such a BEAUTY to the way people used to speak.

[@lisaroper421]

@@milo_thatch_incarnate I totally agree! I love the archaic speech.

[@liv97497]

I honestly think this is such a great adaptation. I understand the things that people dislike, but I think it made the perfect changes to translate a story from book to movie. The way they build up tension in this film works so much more efficiently for the medium, and makes for a much more satisfactory climax than what we get in the 1995 version, in my opinion. The cinematography and blocking is exemplary in its storytelling - that one wandering shot at the Netherfield ball is perfection. It tells a complete story, and there are so many interesting components to it. And also we get the rain proposal which must be one of the best movie additions to any adaptation of any book, ever. And bonus points for the masterpiece that is the score.

[@laneandrew6167]

I had never thought about it that Mr. Darcy had such social anxiety, that that was why he pushed back rudely at anyone trying to talk to him at a ball. But I can see that.

[@e.s.r5809]

It's really interesting watching this analysis after the release of the 2020 Emma, because I feel like that film took a lot of cues from both the 1995 and the 2005 Pride and Prejudice adaptations, and found something that was really the best of both worlds. I'd love to see you cover it. (Incidentally they did have "hairspray" in Regency times! Not actually a spray of course, but they styled their hair with pomade which contained beeswax and rendered tallow. It set quite hard, and would definitely have held curls and flattened flyaways. Besides, three miles on a calm day isn't nearly a long enough walk to look like that!)

[@tigerljily]

For me the 2005 version is Donald Sutherland's time to shine.

[@Bane_Amesta]

5:20 Damn I knew I wasn't the only one! I was a bit dissapointed when I didn't read Orlando Bloom's name in the credits lol

[@kareng743]

This movie was my first contact with the regency era. I was 14 and fell in love, afterwards I read the book and watched all adaptations I could find then I started to read her other books and search for their adaptations. But this movie continues to be my favorite. It is more romantic than the book, but I love it for being so. Also, Collins should have maried Mary. She would become even more annoying, but the two are sooo alike. But yes, I know Charlotte is better for him.

[@Gerry1of1]

"All Grime, All the Time" Ha! I agree. Why were all the walls at Longbourn so filthy? Pealing paint, dirty marks. Cracked old paint. They were well off enough for servants, surely they could afford a lick of paint.

[@kolvar]

I really like you videos and I allways thought, you were just calmly talking to the camera. Then I saw the shadow and noticed, that you actually gesture all the time. I do not know, why I had to write this, but somehow it changes everything ...

[@TooLateForIeago]

I came to this from your ASMR discussion, and it feels like your voice is booming.

[@jeniedotjet210]

Okay, but it IS my favorite. 🙂❤️

[@Brievel]

I've never seen it, I'll have to watch it.

[@azurastar3223]

I read Pride and Prejudice in high school and then got my mom interested in it. We rented all the versions of it we could find at the time from Hollywood Video, sadly this one was 2 years from existence. I watched this one in theaters and have since seen it more than 30 times. I will say though that the black and white version, while being shorter, even than this one, did good for the time period it was made in and is rather enjoyable as well, if not very faithful.

[@sarosenna5850]

Let's be real, the greatest liberty this film took is probably not placing it in the Regency period? I've heard this is closer to the 1790s?

[@mayredfern4593]

Oh, if you're bothered by this, like I am (it's one of the reasons I loath this adaptation), then the reason will make your blood boil. They didn't push it back to make the story different, oh no, the director made this 'choice' purely because he didn't like the aesthetics and looks of the regency era. Sure some of the styles are a tad strange but compared to the fashions which surround this period, they're modest and sleek and would appeal far more to the modern eye than say the rococo period (although imo rococo is beautiful). Films such as 1996 Sense and Sensibility and TV's 1995 Pride and Prejudice made this period in clothing stunning, but the director didn't like it so it went out the door, in favour of the duller, muted tones of the 1790s that I suppose fit with the poorer Bennetts in this adaptation.

[@sarosenna5850]

@@mayredfern4593 I know. It's completely unfounded.

[@seisage]

@@mayredfern4593 God, yes, the costuming in the 2005 version is just something I can't get past. Jill said it herself. It's grimy and muted and dirty and it hardly fits what I envision the Bennets to be. I can't believe the reason it wasn't set in the Regency era was because the director didn't like the aesthetics of it. I'm a diehard 1995 fan and I've always thought the gowns in that series were _gorgeous_ I understand having differing opinions about what's pretty or not, but idk... if the 1995 series made it look stunning, then there's little excuse for not at least trying in the film adaptation.

[@mariem24601]

@@mayredfern4593 The more I read Joe Wright's interviews about his decisions the more I think it is tragic that someone with so little regard for the story was allowed to make this. It seemed desperately trying to make this "not like the other girly adaptions, ours is INTERESTING! Dark! Grimey! The "Batman Begins" of Austen!" accomplished by making it as un-Austen as possible. The Bennets are not poor, they aren't even close to poor. Elizabeth Bennett is NOT Fanny Price, or Miss Bates, or Jane Fairfax. Their floors would not be covered in mud and dirt. They would have table manners! They would not wear their hair down in public! I also find it hilarious, in a post-Bridgerton era- that the Wright didn't think the empire line style gowns could be sexy enough for a movie. (Yes Bridgerton took liberties in a LOT of costumes fabric-wise, but except for Lady Featherington and the Queen, they mostly kept the "un-sexy" empire style silhouette for their gowns. And no one accused that show of being unattractive.)

[@mariem24601]

@4Freedom4All The 1940 version was also likely highly influenced by the desire of all studio's to re-capture the public's fascination with 1939's Gone with the Wind. A LOT of adaptations of novels that did not take place in the 1860s suddenly were full of women in hoop skirts, including that era's adaptation of Wuthering Heights.

[@alexius23]

Loved the score....

[@lukecarlson4710]

Orlando Bloom... I see it.

[@RosavaDo]

A mess of hair was a no-no for me. Even if she walked miles in windy weather she would have tried to fix her hair a bit before going into the house. But in this movie it seemed like she didn't care at all about her presentation when visiting other people. You don't do it even nowadays, even if you are usually a messy person. They are not her friends and not her close relatives. She would have cared about her looks. For me, such a mess of her hair was a way too much when conveying how Lizzy was 'not like other girls'. The hand thing was good though. Basically, this Darcy's interpretation is the only thing that was interesting for me. This Lizzy was too wild, too scary.

[@cupofjoe4642]

This is almost my exact thoughts on this movie. I really liked it and still do, but I like them mini series and the book all for exclusive reasons. Really good video:)

[@emilys1418]

I thought Wickham was played by Orlando Bloom for years, you are not alone

[@Nanenna]

You know, I've only ever seen this version once when it first came out and I was all "eh... but he's not Collin Firth" back then. You've made me want to give it another shot and appreciate the historically accurate grime.

[@peglamphier4745]

I agree.... it's lovely and so damn romantic. It's a guilty pleasure for me because I am an Austen reader and the back of my mind is all, "no, this is wrong," but the front of my brain (and other parts lower down) really like the film.

[@fieryhellkitten]

The 2005 version is my favorite. It’s also the first cinematic version of the story I saw.

[@dflatproduction]

Okay, the shots in this version are absolutely incredible. The complexity of moving through the various rooms at the ball - I think a couple were one shots! This version has my favorite Mr. Bennet. And yes, the family dynamics felt more realistic.

[@stvdagger8074]

As you seem to be a fan of stage combat & various adaptations of Pride and Prejudice, I can only wonder if you have ever seen Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, a 2016 historical action comedy horror film.

[@theonetruezog555]

great analysis, ‘05 was my first and possibly still favourite! In light of new adaptations, would you do a video on Little Women?

[@amemabastet9055]

I just saw this version of P&P again the other day. It is the best version when it comes to scenery and settings, but poor mr Darcy's "scolded puppy look" does not sit well with me. Darcy is a hard part to really do something with, I guess, considering he's is so constricted. In that regard, Colin Firth succeeds so much better by telling Darcy's story with his eyes. McFaddyen not so much. Actually, I do think that the guys playing Bingley and Darcy in the satiric (?) mini series Lost in Austen would have made quite good choices, had the British decided to have a go at it again. I also like this version's mrs. Bennet much more. She's not over the top as in earlier versions. I assume that a woman in her situation, at that time, would be quite near to a burn-out of all the stress. In that regard I guess the 95' version is more accurate, but I didn't get the impression from the book that she was as mean and vindictive as she is portrayed in the mini series. The 07 script makes mrs. Bennet more believable and the comment to Lizzie that she will learn just how stressful it was having just daughters and the threat of being widowed, having to leave their home, not having anybody to rely on was a tangible sword hanging over women of this period.

[@TonyaC]

My biggest issue with 2005 is the Collins proposal where dad was at the table.

[@Lillith.]

I love love love 2005 pride and prejudice. Bingley and Jane look perfect together from the start and Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth grow to be perfect. The family feels like a family, something not often seen in movies. It's far from perfect especially if you consider 1800s society, so many things wouldn't do. I like the mini series as well, but it's less watchable than a two hour movie you can just decide to watch on a whim.

[@imasinnerimasaint]

Rupert Friend definitely looks like Orlando Bloom.

[@kinocrone7275]

Ah I'm so conflicted. All the things you praised I loved about the movie, but I can't shake that they got the tone wrong. I feel like the plot is Jane Austen, but the tone is more Charlotte Bronte. Both I love, but I don't necessarily want them mixed XD

[@eowynsisterdaughter]

I didn't care for the 2005 when it came out, I've become more tolerant over time though I still wouldn't consider it a favorite. Probably because I see the book as comedy before anything else, and the 2005 version heavily leaned into the romance and drama rather than witty social commentary. Our reasons may not be the same, but like you, I also thought the 2005 one missed the core tone of the book.

[@shylockwesker5530]

Dear Jill, why do you keep urging us to see it? I guarantee you that anyone who's found this vidoe is here because they've seen the movie in question and don't need recommendation to see it. Well, maybe for the eleventh time, ok.

[@jrd33]

Nope. Never read the book, never seen any adaptation.

[@Midorikonokami]

>> ... I hate it *runs away*

[@wendybird.]

1 - do like this version a lot and 2 - I thought the fringe looked great on you. 3 - yes- I have a lot of catching up to do on this channel