Prime Penny Hardaway Was Right There with Michael Jordan - Tim Hardaway Sr.

[@goldray73]

Penny was next up after Jordan and before Kobe. He was super nasty!!! If he didn't get injured.

[@Bruhda1]

@@goldray73 big facts ☝🏾

[@dannynhl9441]

Penny Hardaway the coolest cat to ever play the game. 90's Swag. Step Back never duplicated.

[@ThatBoyPause]

Iverson has entered the chat

[@dannynhl9441]

@@ThatBoyPause Iverson right there but Penny for me. He was the first and he had the step back no one else can do. Lil Penny and those Magic Jerseys.

[@islander5858]

@@ThatBoyPause penny was smoother than iverson

[@BKNY1322]

Penny is my favorite player of all time. I really hope he gets into the HOF

[@Slaytanica666]

It hurts me when we refer to Tim Hardaway as "Tim Hardaway Sr" as a teenager in the '90s. Man. I remember when Tim Hardaway was a young gun coming up in the early 90s...he was SOMETHING. AND Healthy young Penny Hardaway was something else...haha.

[@theexclusiveedition]

Thank you OG. Been saying this for years

[@andreaplayer6052]

HALL OF FAME WE AINT SEEN ENOUGH OF UT STOP TIM

[@james7ch]

1 cent forever! Glad I can say I saw him in person at the old Capital Centre in Maryland 🏀

[@deltadefconii4459]

ABSOLUTELY ☝🏾 THE ONLY COMPATIBLE & BEAT MJ .. MJ WORE PENNY SHOES ONLY TIME HE EVER DONE SO TO COMMEMORATE PENNY 🗣🐐

[@Tony-fq5bn]

Penny's game was so beautiful to watch, it was almost like Magic Johnson in Tracy McGrady's body

[@mstringer10]

Wait what year did Penny avg 28ppg 7rebs 6ast?? People just say anything, Penny was really good and on his way to being great but the injuries happen but he was never "Right there" with MJ. Oh and that was rookie MJ numbers

[@onlyfacts3178]

PENNY was only compared to JORDAN on MARKETING..and thats why SHAQ LEFT...he was getting a lot of credit for a 20 PPG player.

[@willdavis6502]

Different era game was different

[@oledefense1033]

It wasn’t the stats, it was the skill set and the ability. Penny used to bust MJ, Pip and the rest of the league asses!

[@mstringer10]

21 games against each other Mj 28ppg 6rebs 5ast 2.3stls 1blk Penny 21ppg 4rebs 5ast 1.6Stls 0.4 blks Yeah turns out I was wrong. Penny was definitely bussin MJ's Ass... My fault I stand corrected

[@dannynhl9441]

@@mstringer10 Former Bulls teammate of Jordan said this. "I vividly remember Michael being so frustrated that he couldn't stop him" - Michael Jordan's teammate noticed his difficulty guarding Penny. Koncak said it was the first time he saw Jordan had a difficult time guarding anyone. And that's the truth. I'm a Jordan fan and Penny. I just love 90's NBA. Knicks fan of course and love Ewing and Starks but Penny did give Jordan and Pip problems in the short time they all went at each other but we just fans talking. In reality Jordan had a lot of respect for Penny and even pranked him at the all star game pulling down his warm up pants.

[@MrOctober44]

Penny is one of the great what ifs.

[@brucewayne7831]

People have no idea how good Penny was. A little bit of Magic Johnson + young Kobe Bryant. Athletic, entertaining, dropping no look dimes but could posterize big men too. Plus the media was behind him with those Lil Penny commercials. He was not right up there with MJ because MJ was an absolute master at that time but Penny could easily ...EASILY become the face of the league.

[@Wyndamn]

Didn't Penny and Shaq beat Chicago in the second round of the playoffs, beating Chicago at home ???

[@Barak144]

Never compare Kobe to Penny Kobe doesn’t compare Penny IQ was much higher and his game was more fluid and poetic to watch

[@Barak144]

Here you go talking like Jordan couldn’t pass Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time not the greatest scorer and defender basketball player! kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5q3gIuLotiXpa8si=ws92BcBB5nN0GN-E

[@arvinbalboa5810]

Penny is my one and only all time favorite player and no one else until today.

[@erablaktv]

Maybe in eye test Never in numbers or stats The thing about Jordan is the production and numbers with the excitement This makes mj special and alone

[@Tone22845]

That's because they played 2 different positions. Penny couldn't just jack up shots because he had to distribute the ball as a PG. Tim is strictly talking about Penny's skillset

[@erablaktv]

@@Tone22845 what about when penny had the team all to himself in that first year without Shaq 🤔 he could jack up all the shots he wanted.he didn't even average 25ppg.my point is penny is way to over hyped and overrated.he was indeed a top talent,very skilled and true excitement playing basketball 🏀.he was however nowhere near Kobe or Jordan and was not on his way to all time greatness before the injury on the levels of those particular goats 🐐 like former players portray him to be.

[@Tone22845]

@@erablaktv like i said he was the PG. Back then you didn't have PG's jacking up shots like they started doing in 2000's. And that's the season when he had that 1st knee injury

[@blackestknightx8881]

​@@erablaktvpenny was gonna be better than kobe

[@erablaktv]

@@blackestknightx8881 there was no evidence 🧾 of that at all

[@JB-vc5re]

Penny was Him! MJ was Black Jesus!!!

[@TirantWhite]

Penny was on the same level as #8 Kobe. There, i fixed it.

[@thegamingchef3304]

Kids born in the 80s remember how big Penny was. Penny was cold, great player. Definitely up there. Wouldn't quite put him on Jordans level tho...But popularity wise he was definitely up there with Jordan with us Kids. His unique name and skills made him super marketable.

[@islander5858]

Young penny is the only one to send prime mike home in the 90s. FACTS

[@blackestknightx8881]

Lol so disingenuous. Mike didn't really play that season. Don't forget that part. You guys are so deceptive

[@crush_4103]

@@blackestknightx8881it happened! If it was the other way around then y’all would be praising Mj and including that in his greatest achievements

[@blackestknightx8881]

@@crush_4103 dude stop saying nonsense. You c-l-o-w-n-s love to leave out context. When you put that situation in context Mike only played 17 games that yr. The next year the bulls swept them after Mike played the whole year. That's context

[@islander5858]

@@blackestknightx8881 i love mike just like every body else. But some of you mike stans/ freaks are just the worst. I'm sure if mike would have won the chip that year he came back it would have counted as well and everybody would be praising him. But because he got SENT HOME my comment is deceptive. Dude came back and got beat, point blank period

[@islander5858]

@@crush_4103 you want context.. mike hit a game winner in his third game vs the hawks. Then scored 55 vs the Knicks. That 17 game played bullshit excuse is for people like you that believe mike is untouchable. Well he got touched up by penny and the magic 😂

[@cameronfry]

What he meant to say was he was on his way…but ultimately didn’t get there.

[@islander5858]

Exacly

[@jamesmorris8192]

Mike wore the man shoes.

[@onlyfacts3178]

because someone stole his shoes that game

[@jordanflores5687]

That can't be a serious argument

[@versatillion15]

Cuz they were nice looking shoes Mike was still way better

[@ThatBoyPause]

Pause

[@dannynhl9441]

@@versatillion15 Mike was a scorer and defender. Penny was more Magic on roids cause he could score. Here's the thing we never got to see Penny have a prime. Who knows what else he could of evolved into. He didn't average as much as Jordan but he could drop 30/40 when needed. Same can be said for Grant Hill, Rose, Tmac etc. On NBA Inside Open Court on TNT They did the 90's episode and Grant Hill was on it and the other former players on the panel said you were better than Scottie Pippen and Grant you could tell appreciated but said himself "Scottie got 6 rings I don't"

[@TheCgrand]

Penny was the smoothest player I have ever seen before he got hurt!! MJ had problems with Penny, he should be in the Hall of Fame.

[@bryanchrisjoseph5526]

Penny was that dude! Real deal. Injuries derailed good career. Would he have been HOF? Yes. Top 5 PG? Yes. MJ level, respectfully no. Got swept in Finals with Shaq ... Then actually lost to MJ Bulls ... Last but not least ... THERE ARE 2 SIDES OF THE GAME! offense & DEFENSE!

[@plainman9887]

Beat MJ in the 95 semi finals. You left out that part.

[@bryanchrisjoseph5526]

@@plainman9887 😅😅😅 damn u right lol

[@sithlord926]

Penny was just that good too. Congrats to him for HOF Entry. Well deserved.

[@adofominka8767]

Tim Hardaway been smoking that good dope.

[@dwightwhite9184]

Yep he had it all, injuries took it

[@TaylorMade1of1]

The real ones know Penny was thee guy 🫡✅

[@marcusmosiahgarveysr4310]

Even with the injuries, I have Penny Hardaway ranked as the 3rd greatest combo guard of all time in the NBA right behind Stephen Curry and Allen Iverson.

[@lennycoco]

Penny gave Jordan n Scottie bucket’s consistently

[@JonathanHebrews]

Sup with Tim and that big ass Mr Potato Head mustache

[@sat0sh139]

Penny, Grant Hill, Tmac, Vince... Most fun to watch!

[@MelodicAssymetry445]

I would add Kobe, Wade, and Iverson to that but your list is still good

[@sat0sh139]

@@MelodicAssymetry445 those are great ones too👍

[@Piffhazesour888]

No lies detected from Hardaway on this..💯Shit was real in the towns with Miami back then👿 That series had the WHOLE City watching.

[@Melo.S_NY]

Penny my fav player all time. Injuries destroyed his career 🥲

[@onlyfacts3178]

MEDIA: PENNY is a scorer who can pass: 20 PPG / 7 ASS on his prime MEDIA: STOCKTON was just a passer ; 17 PPG / 14 ASS on his prime.

[@williamwalsh1533]

Stockton, come on man. His career average is what 13 ppg. Magic & Isiah, his contemporaries averaged 19 for their careers. Could Stockton have scored more but he was the third option on most of his teams.

[@bryanttisdale2446]

​@williamwalsh1533 your not accounting for the offensive system and scheme plus personal. Stockton always had the ball practically. They really didn't have another person to start the offense most yrs. The magic had Brain shaw and Penny shot well enough to slide to the shooting Guard.

[@Authentic1874]

Tim Hardaway was so cold I’m fina pick him on blacktop when I get to the house 😂

[@Dickey271]

Boyyy the Hardaways in Golden State would have been epic!!!!!

[@Cluez31]

Theres a lot of us who really thought Penny was the next MJ circa 94-96

[@da_illest]

When Jordan went on his revenge tour, Penny was as helpless as anyone else. Imagine Jordan and Pippen beating Jordan and Shaq

[@stevefrank9444]

PENNY WAS NICE!!!#FLOWERS

[@kwamemaatranyame-mentuhote9952]

Nobody on Michael Jordan level

[@nate8604]

Bill Russell told that man he wouldn’t be alive long enough to catch him in titles. That’s a different kind of brag, so that’s 🧢.

[@chrisrobinson8339]

​@@nate8604bill wasn't on MJ level.

[@s4mp_founder]

Iverson was better than Jordan

[@NevaSellmySoul]

Ai was garbage ​@@s4mp_founder

[@H41030v3rki110ny0u]

@@s4mp_founder u trollin or srs?

[@ZMSportsnShorts]

Put the cracks down Timmy

[@mikee3261]

Michael isn’t god lol

[@Wyndamn]

​@@mikee3261 most casual fans don't seem to realize that 😅😅😅

[@JayPleezer304]

love the og tim, but hell no...stop it...smh

[@Boss3Nate]

exactly... hahahaha. Bro went completely overboard

[@Scood84fromChicago]

I’m from Chicago Mike is the goat but Penny was crazy he could do it all

[@Jallenpoe]

This is not the first time ive heard this but this is Tim saying had Penny remained healthy, Penny potential wouldve been of Jordans

[@Hendrix.Robinson]

I just came to tap in to say, he wasn’t

[@GodsSoldier376]

Yup

[@Goldmindmusic]

🧢

[@kashparty3034]

Me too 😂

[@samuelcolson8791]

He was though believe it

[@MrWoo-jc8nt]

Yes he was

[@Barak144]

Of Penny didn’t get injured he probably be the greatest to ever do it and I’m big in Jordan but Penny was the real deal. Kobe & Lebron wasn’t Penny Hardaway There was a poetic genius to the way he played the game

[@ItsBenRoyboy]

Tim is tripping That's all

[@ms.grayson1192]

See, the thing is that MJ wasn’t in his prime during the 2nd 3-peat while battling Penny and other premier guards in the league. Prime MJ was during the 1st 3-peat which was a hella scary MJ. And I say this because the league couldn’t do anything with him during the 2nd 3-peat. The question is would the statement “A prime Penny was right there with MJ” be talked about if it was a prime MJ vs a prime Penny?

[@Wyndamn]

Tim Hardaway played against both but people are still trying to argue against him and nobody in this comment section played in the NBA ( including me😅😅😅) Y'all are delusional and delirious. I'll take the person that actually played in the NBA'S opinion first and foremost.

[@TROYBALLER]

Exactly, how do you argue with a star player back in the 1990,s who had to defend Penny Hardaway on the court, and seen Penny in his first 3 years before his knees went, and the failed new micro surgery,s back then

[@millardthomas9059]

Right. PRIME was 2 years? And even that was like 21/7/7 as a #2 option.

[@dannynhl9441]

Penny never had a prime. He came in young and going. Prime years for most pros are 27/28 years old to about 32. Sadly fell just prior

[@charliemurphy07]

If he didn't get injured. ..... we will never know...

[@Sldumas1983]

Penny used to make MJ work a bit but I’d compare Penny more to Kobe

[@dannynhl9441]

Penny can pass much better than Kobe. But we never got to see Penny have a real prime also.

[@Sldumas1983]

@@dannynhl9441 True but we was also robbed of Kobe’s first 2 yrs because they didn’t play players his age at that time

[@dannynhl9441]

@@Sldumas1983 Good point too. Grant Hill is another one. Tmac too.

[@Sldumas1983]

@@dannynhl9441 Facts

[@lcasanova2546]

PENNY WAS TOO NICE NOT A KILLER AND BODY WASNT DURABLE PASS FIRST GUY BUT COULD SCORE IF HE TURNED IT ON AND ATTACKED😊

[@dannynhl9441]

not a Killer? He dunked on Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson (post injury) Malone, Mutumbo , etc. Only big he never dunked on was Shaq. Maybe in practice haha. Took Jordan 1 v 1 (We all know Jordan the better) just saying. He attacked the rim a lot.

[@lcasanova2546]

@@dannynhl9441 he had moments

[@PhoenixRising82672]

Stop it The MJ disrespect needs to stop

[@PhoenixRising82672]

His best year was 21 7 4

[@Ghostfacekillah718]

You had to be there

[@PhoenixRising82672]

@@Ghostfacekillah718 I was there and he wasn't on MJ's level Stop disrespecting MJ with these ridiculous takes

[@soundmind2480-jm3fe]

Yeah right he was never the same or any level with MJ

[@williamwalsh1533]

Definitely an impact player but he not averaging 30 a season.

[@StevenEvens7125]

Prime Grant Hill was also right there with MJ.

[@sidvicious647]

Uhhhh NO.

[@jordanflores5687]

Y'all are delusional we never got to see prime grant hill same with penny they got hurt before they reached it

[@lamontewilliams203]

@StevenEvans7125. Bro. No one was near MJ.

[@StevenEvens7125]

@lamontewilliams203 accomplishments no. Ability? A few. Grant and Penny come to mind first. You will never convince me that a prime non injured Grant or non injured Penny wouldn't have kept given Jordan buckets the way he gave them. I done seen Penny spin baseline on Jordan and dunk on Pip. And just run the tape back on what Grant did to both of'em. Both as YOUNG players they was giving MJ nasty work.

[@Barak144]

No he wasn’t 😂

[@BattleTruth]

Both the hardaways played for Florida teams

[@MainSpears]

🪙🐐🏀❄️

[@toolegit7668]

He wasn't up there with Mike, but he was right there with Kobe, arguably was better than Kobe was at the time

[@Hendrix.Robinson]

Bro, respectfully he wasn’t even in the same realm as DWade 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@MrWoo-jc8nt]

You trippin ​@@Hendrix.Robinson

[@Heemkeem_9]

Rookie Kobe ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣😳 he better had been better than an 18 and 19 year old

[@Heemkeem_9]

@@MrWoo-jc8ntnah you’re tripping lmaoo penny has became extremely overrated… he had potential to get to that elite level but body started to break down

[@MrWoo-jc8nt]

I'll take prime Penny over D Wade 8 days a week @Heemkeem_9

[@andreaplayer6052]

YALL CHOCKED THATS WHAT HAPPEN

[@willdavis6502]

He was

[@PhoenixRising82672]

No he wasn't

[@DustyKnucks]

No one is or will be ever be Jordan…Penny was different, n gifted, but never will know..Man had not even 3 yea full healthy yrs. So out the gate was top 3 dominant guards. Let’s be honest he was a problem for any n all regardless.

[@jeffreyjiminian4301]

POPS WAS WITH THE ISH

[@SiqqidAmir]

Not mj baby 😮

[@naswiipp]

With that mustache and this take I've come to the conclusion that Tim Hardaway smokes crack.

[@johnrobertson4637]

Penny couldn't touch Magic sorry, maybe if not for injuries but Magic was and is that dude we don't talk about. Could have scored 30+ if he wanted to

[@Heemkeem_9]

Wasn’t even on the same level as Shaq

[@thefreakyrobber0]

Lmao, Tmac was good but not great on MJ level. Stop tryna rewrite History 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@sugarfoot21]

Prime Penny was great. But he was not MJ. No one is MJ.

[@ousmandiallo2823]

Penny Hardaway Michael Jordan Grant HillTimDuncanShaqONeal

[@deelak2329]

Prime Joel Pryzbilla too

[@eamorrison859]

What do you mean he was right there. Penny cooked MJ and my man Pippen when they went gainst one another. Hell Clyde had his number also. People have to stop with this narrative that MJ didn't get cooked.

[@1Eashawty]

Penny was nice but he was nowhere close to Jordan, he wasnt even on grant hill level as a player

[@lastshallbefirst5516]

What?… he was better than Grant Hill, stop it. He wasn’t Jordan but he damn sure was equal or better than Hill. If you wanna say equal, that’s fine. Name 2 things that Grant Hill did better… I’ll wait

[@1Eashawty]

@@lastshallbefirst5516 better scorer about equal as passers. Penny only had 3-4 years

[@lastshallbefirst5516]

@@1Eashawty equal as passers? Lol, no. Penny had true point guard vision. We’re talking about their prime, not the entire career. Scoring, Penny had Shaq, the most dominant Big in history, Grant Hill was the main option on his team. Penny’s offensive package was just as lethal as Hill’s was, and he was better at the 3 pointer than Hill.

[@1Eashawty]

@@lastshallbefirst5516 grant hill averaged more assists in his best season than penny did in his & penny scored more with shaq than without

[@lastshallbefirst5516]

@@1Eashawty And? Grant Hill had the ball in his hand like LeBron does, and James Harden used to. Penny was a better passer, plain and simple. And after Shaq, Penny’s injuries started to come. So your stat argument is missing context behind it. Sorry, stats are numbers.. they’re not the actual visual of the game being played.

[@jacquesthompson2946]

He was good, very good. Smooth and smart. But he ain't MJ

[@germ2178]

Penny was never on MJ’s level.

[@Boss3Nate]

Stop it

[@Nemo-un5rr]

Penny wasn’t on Jordan’s level.

[@MackP414]

He was highly respected and regarded among his peers and the fans. Behind Jordan he was the 2nd most popular player from 95-97. His shoes did well and his commercials were legendary.

[@t.bone26]

Shidd if he wasn’t stopped by injuries he would’ve been

[@charlesdouglas7179]

He was on his way until injuries

[@youngblood4127]

He was on his way to be. Penny was a top player in 96-98. Jordan Malone Hill Shaq Penny

[@Bruhda1]

Your crazy Penny was just as cold as MJ you see those highlights he was a better all around player than Mj honestly no cap.

[@jordanflores5687]

I'm just here to say no tf he wasn't and we never got to see prime penny he got hurt before he reached it maybe eventually but we'll never know

[@s4mp_founder]

As a Penny Hardaway fan. No, he wasn’t. More like Scottie with an upgrade. Still s/o to Penny.

[@Barak144]

Pippen was no where near Penny level stop he was good but he is way overrated today

[@johnnymcfaddenii776]

penny is a bad mfer but don’t what if what happened is what happened that’s all to it

[@YoungJones-im8fn]

Stop the 🧢

[@andreaplayer6052]

TIM CMON NOW STOP IT HE DIDN'T HAVE THÈ HEART AS MJ OR KOBE HE WAS OK BUT STOP THE CAP DUDE

[@augustusx82]

We know Penny was not as good as Michael Jordan, just like we know TMAC wasn’t as good as Kobe, but there was a time when TMAC was in Orlando, and if you said he was better than Kobe half of the room would agree with you, in the same way back in 1995 people were like penny is going to be better than Michael Jordan, And a lot of people would agree with you, it wasn’t a crazy thing to say that out loud. just by the eye test he was just better than everybody else and would make people look stupid on the court… plus he was highly marketable with 10,000 different commercials back in an era where all kids did all day was watch TV.. plus he was the number one selling jersey in the league

[@s4mp_founder]

KD was better than Kobe

[@augustusx82]

@@s4mp_founder You know what the argument can be made for sure. Kevin Durant is my guy, used to play ball with him and I know his father, so I should be biased in this argument seeing that he and I are from the same place and we take pride and what we do which is destroy people in the basketball court, however, the best version of Kevin Durant was the second championship of Golden State, he was at the peak of his powers, you have to put that version of 06 Kobe…AKA 81 points kobe…

[@d.michael372]

Nope. If there was anyone on same level as his airness it was Kobe, and he wasn’t either. He came close but Jordan is just portals away from all.

[@Barak144]

Kobe is such overrated 🚮

[@d.michael372]

@@Barak144 in todays world ppl make cases for Mj being overrated so that’s not surprising

[@johnrobertson4637]

Stop it. Penny was that one, real good but no mas 🤦🏾‍♂️smh

[@rvaldemar23]

Kobe,wade, A.I , Tmac, Vince Carter & Ray Allen were better than Penny.

[@DangleFront]

OK, Tim , what’s with the dirty Sanchez mustache? It’s been years already.

[@ousmandiallo2823]

Backup Magic JohnsonKobeBryantKevinGarnettDirkNowenskiHakimOlajwon

[@mhfj3901]

Same level as MJ🐐? GTFOH 😂 Penny & Grant Hill were both a tier BELOW Mike. 💯

[@MrBarmore90222]

Smh 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@michaelantonio6643]

Nope

[@nukeboy4939]

No he wasn't. 😂

[@deelak2329]

No he wasn't.

[@lakerfan8297]

Yeah he was

[@deelak2329]

@lakerfan8297 no he wasn't. Literally every metric imaginable shows this.

[@acason4]

“Right there with Jordan”… 🤣🤦🏼‍♂️🤣🤦🏼‍♂️ Delusional take. All empirical evidence says it wasn’t EVER remotely close. In fact, Jordan was the greatest player on the planet for over a decade straight. Hardaway was never even a Top 5 player in the league. Totally clueless.