Prime Speaker Vannifar vs Karador vs Niv-Mizzet, Parun vs Muldrotha EDH / CMDR game play

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[@metalord23.46]

I post this comment, dealing 1 to john

[@davidcook9153]

Concordant Crossroads on the table for the whole game, $25.99 Not having your opponents use it the whole game...priceless.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

or not mentioning the fact your 1 mana enchantment is giving them a positive effect, which at least in high level play, will definitely get you a warning.

[@HarryBuddhaPalm]

@@keithfilibeck2390 How do you know he didn't tell them? There's no audio, plus, it's not like it was hidden amongst a dozen permanents or anything. It was sitting on the table by itself in full view of everyone else at the table. If they're too lazy/stupid/inept to read it then it's their own fault. The fact that they were paying life to have their lands come into play untapped and not using them indicates to me that they were mostly terrible players that didn't know what they were doing.

[@JurinoJr]

@@HarryBuddhaPalm @keith filibeck I think you are watching the wrong channel pals

[@Foofoothegoon]

@@keithfilibeck2390 You do not receive a warning at any level of level play for not reminding your opponents that your enchantment can help them.

[@andrewsparkes8829]

Me and my friends played a casual "Any anthem style effect you have also applies to your opponents boards, both ways, and any effect from a permanent that affects you also affects your opponents", so Elvish Archdruid essentially had the Priest of Titania effect of seeing ALL elves when it tapped for mana but also buffed all elves too. Crucible of Worlds let all players play lands from graveyards, Panharmonicon doubled ALL creature/artifact etb effects, etc. Needless to say, it was madness! But to make it relevant, we found we often paid more attention to our own cards/boards and often forgot how our opponents were buffing us. I feel this naturally egocentric stance people have (in a game with an already complex boardstate) is why grouphug decks often have trouble succeeding - even the things that genuinely benefit players just get annoying when you have trouble remembering additional static effect benefits beyond your own board.

[@09Dragonite]

Just saying, Dean's threat assessment was spot on. He was the only person at the table who recognized how much of a threat the Kerador player was and he knew for a fact that Dom was sufficiently taken care of when John had targeted the crap out of him for going off too early. The Muldrotha player couldn't even build a board state quickly enough to impact anyone, and Glen Elendra Archmage is a really bad Counterspell against Niv Parun. Dean had this one in the bag and didn't even need a combo kill.

[@frankschirmer9464]

The Archmage should have never died to a Niv trigger. The spell gets cast, Niv's draw ability triggers and should be allowed to resolve, Niv's damage ability then triggers and a target is selected, THEN you use the Archmage.

[@BjornEinarr]

While there might have been a couple missplays with Glen Elendra, you're right. Doesn't matter if the deck is budget, when the pilot is superior :)

[@armoric]

It's not exactly hard when Muldrotha wants to durdle and has only shown Plaguecrafter as a way to annoy him (should have done it more still), and Vannifar is clearly stuck on lands and not in any condition to combo off. Of course you target the Karador player who's still able to do so otherwise.

[@BjornEinarr]

@@armoric you are overestimating people's ability to figure correct threat assessment. Seen way to many games ending because of that.

[@DarkEinherjar]

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE Dragonauts

[@dylanbandstra3567]

"weee" -- Danny West

[@addambarcelos]

what just happened? niv just played stuff and nobody really answered, lol

[@tiragon1489]

Well, all the counterspells were used against the Niv

[@michaelfarnsworth1211]

also guy destroys the other guys ancient tomb which essentially took out a player

[@levibrito1636]

the muldrotha guy could do plaguuecrafter 2 times each turn but no

[@ArtCore616]

I Play Niv too and it usually gets killed or Stolen on the next turn. Seeing Niv live so long its wierd for me lol

[@aidennoir597]

Once again there's a lack of hard removal to answer a serious threat. I don't know if everyone at the table just didn't draw into it or they don't run enough, but Niv is a kill in sight card and stuck around an insane amount of time. I know a lot off EDH players think 1 for 1 removal is inefficient and unnecessary, but you basically always need it.

[@Cole444Train]

There’s a lot of ... weird plays in this game. John misses land drops on turns where he literally returns lands to his hand with Loam. And the Aven Mindsensor grab with Niv out.... Star compass should enter tapped. Steve could’ve paid 3 to sac his Burnished Hart before he untapped... but just didn’t? For no explicable reason? What? And all the other strange things people are mentioning.

[@kylebynum5717]

Don't forget all of the missed triggers with Niv

[@ScatterBrainedYouBetterFollow]

my playgroup and I have played better while passing blunts lmao

[@jamesrawls4173]

@@ScatterBrainedYouBetterFollow facts

[@Venoseth]

9:30 You say he's able to attack w/ the Wee Dragonauts because of Anger in his graveyard. He didn't need it though, because at 3:09 Dom cast Concordant Crossroads, which gives all creatures haste, all of the time. Crossroads is how he used his commander moments later, and it stayed out until the bitter end. It's an incredibly powerful "world" enchantment. The kind of card they would never print again.

[@DeanJayJackmanJr]

I don't have anger in my deck actually XD

[@thelocustgod9098]

That’s a pretty sweet version of Niv tbh. Only thing I’ll say is that because of the Concordant Crossroads, Dean having Anger in his graveyard didn’t matter very much, lol.

[@DeanJayJackmanJr]

Here's the thing, I actually don't have anger in my deck! Lol. It was Concordant crossroads.

[@darkdjinniumbrage7798]

I liked the 1-2 drop instants and sorceries. Makes me want to try to do that in my Sevinne deck

[@DarkEinherjar]

Actually, recurring the Plaguecrafter would keep Niv off the board, greatly slowing Dean down. He could even do it twice thanks to Animate Dead. EDIT: On a second thought, however... Dean could always destroy the Plaguecrafter in response to its trigger, which in turn would force Steve to sacrifice Muldrotha.

[@ouimeta]

@@fabianrakowski4627 The trigger goes on the stack. Before it resolves, Dean casts spells to destroy the Plaguecrafter. The trigger then resolves, and the only creature that can be sacrificed is Muldrotha

[@fabianrakowski4627]

@@ouimeta Obviously, I focused on keeping Niv alive and kind of skipped in my mind the fact that he mentioned sacrificing Muldrotha. It would work out but with izzet colours you don't have many ways of killing creatures so he would have to cast an instant but it would work. I only focused on saving Niv and forgot everything else, you're right

[@DarkEinherjar]

@@fabianrakowski4627 Plaguecrafter's 2 toughness means it would die to any draw or burn spell.

[@mugiwaralee9592]

Oof. No offense, but I consider myself a pretty shit EDH player. That being said this game was hard to watch. Budget Niv was cool though.

[@REON-pw5ze]

9:26 Star compass enters the BF tapped.....

[@dannymaestro3932]

Recently found your channel, Big fan of what your doing. Keep up the awesome content!

[@Madman3721]

The causal friend group I play with has a Niv-Mizzet deck in there that occasionally gets played, not as bad as this one, just more counters and infinite combos. But I got to say, it’s very annoying to play against but very fun to play. Well done by this guy.

[@Gitarguru89]

Watching this while finishing and sleeving my Niv-Mizzet, Parun-deck is realy satisfying :)

[@Lolasageowl]

Hey you do a great job. I find your voice relaxing and it helps me sleep. Keep it up.

[@moralessanchezoscarelias6412]

Pauper Niv! That's awesome!

[@danieldeihl8237]

Never sleep on the budget deck!

[@ProductionsPogo]

My name is also Dean, and I also have a red blue commander deck. A very fun video to watch.

[@josemaravilla6955]

I was wondering why it said video was unavailable after watching.

[@ctheos69]

I normally don't root for the deck that's absolutely blasting people to pieces, but Dean's deck was really cool and I enjoyed seeing it go off. I'm also happy about that wee dragonauts rep, it's a fun card! I did feel like Dean had the best threat assessment at the table, while everyone else's kind of fell short, so I do feel he deserves the win 100%

[@nicolafierro1]

Hey muddstah! I always watch ur videos. It's really cool that you showcased so many different commanders and so many playstyles. I've been trying to do similar content, but in spanish. So I'd like to hear some general advice from you. Which software do you use to edit the videos and what's the fastest way of doing it? (That last I mean how you order the editing process, if you go with the narration first and such things...) Anyways, thanks for all the great content and keep it up!

[@MTGMuddstah]

I use Adobe Premiere Pro. Most of the time a video will take between 6-10hrs to put together.

[@johntyson4258]

Everytime I need a good laugh, I watch this specific EDH video.lol Strange gameplay aside, love the content.

[@Penguinrex09]

Doesn’t concordant crossroads give ALL creatures haste?

[@Jensees901]

yes lol

[@BoBnfishy]

Ooh powerful commanders in this one

[@PlutoDarknight]

I'm in a playgroup where we have a whole format around the idea of the Niv deck, we're calling it uEDH

[@jaybradford7857]

Closest thing to a commander burn deck I've ever seen! Niv is always fun to play.

[@amethystwyvern]

Vannifar is either explosive and wins fast or durdles hard. I love that initial line of play though.

[@oldgregmtg877]

4 great commanders. This will be a fun one to watch :)

[@Ravynsrage]

My thoughts exactly. Was unprepared for the disapointment to follow.

[@oldgregmtg877]

@@Ravynsrage True lol

[@caseykociolek6961]

Happy Birthday to me I get to see my top 3 commander decks in one game!

[@Kazz1187]

Damn, Dean really sunk his teeth into John and never let go. That hurts ahhhhhhh. Poor Dom didn't have as much to do :(

[@DarkEinherjar]

Karador has great combo potential, especially with a Birthing Pod out. Understandable.

[@Kazz1187]

ohhhh, true true, that makes sense :o

[@loganl8440]

@@DarkEinherjar Once he tutored for the Seer, you knew he had to go.

[@lazaruscomplexofficial]

I am so looking at that niv deck for ideas for mine

[@thedrakefrost]

That was a great Niv-Mizzet deck with a spell-slinger cantrip style instead of the usual mastabatory control/combo deck. Cheers 🍻

[@peewee130946]

Drake Smith that’s how I built mine it’s more fun that way. However some of his card choices are questionable

[@DeanJayJackmanJr]

@@peewee130946 like what? Lol I want to know. Keep all suggestions to common cards.

[@DeanJayJackmanJr]

@drake Smith thanks mate

[@peewee130946]

Dean Jackman I was mainly talking about the discard a card at random 4 damage burn spell. I thought you could have uncommon and commons? Is it just a pauper deck?

[@peewee130946]

Dean Jackman mana geyser, tormenting voice, anticipate, scour all possibilities

[@Ethan-ep9eo]

I don't know why but I really like the background sound 😂Am I alone?

[@SCHedge]

Poor Dom searching up the disciple really cost him there. I was hoping to see peregrine drake into countermagic, or perhaps body double shenanigans.

[@porkdumpster3110]

Man...Steve has so much to do every turn and didn’t really do anything.

[@xellsunday]

yeah why not kill niv mizzet-.-

[@Shiptonio]

OMG Where did John get his mat? I love it!!

[@giovanniguzman1852]

Was so happy to see the stripmine reanimator get hated out of the game.

[@CraigArgyleAudio]

This is one of those dull games it's important to remind people will happen sometimes. Sadly none of you may always draw your removal for the very obvious problem, sometimes a decision earlier in the game shuts out a potential ally against the arch enemy.

[@Kazz1187]

And poking the archenemy ensured the swift end of that player ahhhh

[@esperderek5383]

Yeah, even if you have removal sometimes you *just* do not draw it in time. There were definitely some very odd decisions in this game (I wouldn't even play Burnished Hart in a green-based deck to begin with), but this was one of those games where just one person seemed to rev up the machine, and no one else had anything. It happens.

[@Kazz1187]

BounceBurnBuff can’t always draw what you need :(

[@andrewp979]

Do you have a deck list for evil Adams muldrotha deck?

[@DiabloTommaso]

If I were Dom I would be so pissed....

[@garrett1433]

In my playgroup, whoever has the dual lands is the big threat at the table lol

[@bennettbienkowski5130]

What’s going on with Steve’s muldrotha? Is it custom full art?

[@Foofoothegoon]

Yeah. You can buy altered cards for novelty if you don't mind spending a lot more money proportionately.

[@xchadderbox]

How can John play marsh flats and cast caustic caterpillar?

[@blinkcube]

12:02 when Niv's ability triggers, Dean has to choose a target in order for it to go on to the stack. He can't choose Glen Elendra after Steve sacrifices it to counter Frantic Search because the stack doesn't work that way, He either targets Glen Elendra, which Steve then sacrifices it to counter Frantic Search, and Niv's ability is removed from the stack due to lack of target, or he chooses another target.

[@olafthemoose9413]

It works if Steve sacs the archmage before the draw trigger resolves.

[@suicideconfirmed2772]

I might be wrong, but I guess he responded to niv's draw a card ability, not the ping ability which triggers after drawing a card, which means Glen Elendra counter the spell, then perist, then Dean draws a card and then niv deals 1 damage to any target (persisted glen Elendra).

[@DarkEinherjar]

It Steve popped the Archmage in response to the draw trigger, it will be there when the ping trigger goes to the stack, and thus can be chosen as a target.

[@Pikobyte]

How could niv kill glen elendra archmage after it countered a spell? Why didn’t Steve just let the draw and the 1 dmg Ping resolve before countering? This way he wouldn’t have lost his archmage twice

[@salvadormadrigal3164]

Looking forward to omnath locus of the roil. Keep up the videos always great to watch!

[@Cole444Train]

Are we for sure getting that? Seems like a bad commander. I guess someone probably built it.

[@clovislay]

What is the Goblin’s salary

[@jaka1748]

Lol, Dom wanted to go infinite so bad.

[@jarrettharrison7952]

Hey commenters (and hopefully Muddstah himself)! I’ve been looking for a new edge deck, preferably not a creature based deck since all of mine are. My decks so far are Hapatra, Ayula, Lord Windgrace, and Animar.

[@nathones]

Niv doing work!

[@jeffbt17]

So many missplays and wasting of resources. Jeez

[@TheShonsi]

Ya this one was a little hard for me to watch lol

[@RomanNumerDos]

Steve didn't even activate his burnished Hart at 8:17 on Dom's end step. He could've been ahead but nooooo.

[@jeffbt17]

I also feel like everyone forgot Crossroads was out?

[@Cole444Train]

Roman Commando I really don’t get that one... like wut

[@Eliarbreton]

recurring the plaguecrafter would have kept niv off the table

[@Kingmatt438]

how do i get that full art muldrotha

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

If dom wasnt going to go up the chain or use the wizard's ability I feel like Kessig cagebreakers would've been the better choice to get some more creatures on board.

[@MTGMuddstah]

I never even thought of Cagebreakers in a Vannifar list. I LOVE THAT IDAE.

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

@@MTGMuddstah there are some fun cards to throw in there if you're not going to combo asap. Anything that counts etbs like genesis chamber, ltbf triggers like gutter grime, or counts the graveyard like threshold or nature's resurgence. Progenitor mimic can also be a threat when someone plays something scary like the other day when I used it to copy It That Betrays.

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

@@MTGMuddstah oh one more thing: Cards that look at the cmc onboard like Dispersal Shield or Rush of Knowledge

[@d9_1056]

I was going to tear apart my niv deck to build kykar, but I see now that would be a mistake. Long live Niv.

[@mrzhou7685]

Kykar is more versatile, this niv deck relies too much on the commander being present

[@staizer]

@@mrzhou7685 THIS Niv deck does, but higher end Niv decks don't. Card draw gives so many options that Niv is really a part of a combo, not the centerpiece

[@eliluttrell7637]

But the most important question, where did Dom get that playmat

[@kickinwang1817]

Who knew that leaving what's nearly the equivalent of Consecrated Sphinx on the board for numerous turn cycles wins/loses games? You learn something everyday I guess 😂

[@riotxcore6108]

Steve should have been double edicting every turn via plague crafter and animate dead. This woulda kept the board clear until he drew some gas. In addition he shoulda been casting his burnished heart every turn as well to thin his deck. Nothing against the guy but I have a hunch the guy is pretty new to the game.

[@DarkEinherjar]

I thought the same, until I realized that Dean could cast any burn/draw spell in response to Plaguecrafter's trigger, killing it and forcing Steve to sacrifice Muldrotha.

[@GunbladeKnight]

I like his version of Niv, but I also like mine, which is mostly counterspells with some odd spells here and there (like chaoslace). Was thinking of making a build that's all 1 mana cantrips, though.

[@matthewholst2376]

I see John is also a man who likes to live on the edge by cracking a fetch at 7 life.

[@manhattanblockade8544]

Doesn't Niv's ping effect also cause commander damage?

[@Threadoflength]

No. Commander damage is only assigned through combat.

[@righteousoctopus5837]

Dom is over there link climbing to a borrelsword dragon

[@orsettomorbido]

Dean casts incinerate, where X is 1. 13:20 Hahaha :3

[@DeanJayJackmanJr]

Lol XD

[@fearanarchy]

Dom could have crushed it Turn 2, but slow rolled. And Karador.dec dies to ping real hard. So low answers count to Elesh Norn, Ascendant Evicar et al?

[@SSJ3Goku69]

God those Strip Mine plays were awful. Bad threat assessment aside, NEVER put yourself down a land like that, unless you're taking out a Gaea's Cradle or something nasty. Ancient Tomb? Pfft. A great example of what NOT to do. He not only put himself behind a couple times, but ensured Dom couldn't do anything relevant late game...and this was AFTER the edict effects. Yikes... Dean, well done winning with that budget deck. You were the only skillful player at the table, and it really showed. Fun deck, I'll likely build it myself one day.

[@DarkEinherjar]

I felt really bad for Don, who was completely knocked out of the game after that Strip Mine and everyone killing his dorks... :( This is why I never considered building Vannifar. She's one of those commanders who draw so much hate, you're better off putting her in the 99s and hoping for a chance to activate.

[@plain6677]

DarkEinherjar Yes I agree with you even though I don’t feel bad for John. It’s what happens when you build Vannifar or Urza. It’s not hate however: he had to be slowed down or else he would have won easily in 1 or 2 turns.

[@DarkEinherjar]

I honestly think that blowing up his land after Vannifar was already gone was too mean... they could've gone after the Concordant Crossroads that no one was taking advantage of anyway, which would've crippled Dom's strategy but not taken him completely out of the game.

[@plain6677]

DarkEinherjar yes concordant crossroads is indeed a key card in Vannifar which should have been answered. Strip mining an ancient tomb of a combo deck is not going too far in my opinion, is just the right amount of answer to slow them down enough. Unfortunately he never drew enough lands or ramp after that.

[@swampylogs]

Man, Dom got absolutely bullied. Poor guy

[@blamatron]

Reeeally curious what Dom was gonna grab assuming he was going to sac the Disciple next.

[@CA-zn8hu]

I believe Great Oak Guardian is a common 6 cost for Vannifar decks to grab.

[@blamatron]

@@CA-zn8hu Makes sense. Do you know what the wincon might have been?

[@CA-zn8hu]

It was likely some kind of combo with Deadeye Navigator (another good 6 drop for the deck) and Palinchron to do infinite mana then infinitely use Vannifar while the Concordant Crossroads was out.

[@rentonnoah7961]

Well that shows not all graveyard recursion is going to win, sometimes 1 damage is just too good

[@ajh22895]

I was thinking Karador would pod for a 9 drop

[@travislannoye8244]

Never thought I'd see the day when Lightning Bolt was a playable card in this format, but here we are...

[@lordkieron4015]

Deal 4 draw a card seems alright for 1 mana

[@DarthJarJar501]

I bet he also would play shock

[@travislannoye8244]

@@lordkieron4015 absolutely. I'm mostly just amazed that the format has managed to create this scenario in the first place

[@kradwolf5719]

Another reason I destroy Nim-Mizzet decks the moment I see them. Never get to see one played in any way that wasn't me waiting 10 minutes for him to tell me if I died or not.

[@Supsup516]

JUSTICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@devashannaidoo6877]

Budget EDH FTW

[@johnferguson8794]

How Dom didn't combo off no clue should have been an instant win :(

[@gysahlgemuse7208]

I was confused why anyone would play so many burn spells in EDH. Most of them are essentially 1 for 1 and that's very untypical for the format.

[@armoric]

You still need interaction and if you're looking at wraths so you get more bang for your buck you're asking to get combo'd out.

[@tmakalpha1]

With Niv out each burn spell is a cantrip in their favour, so it's a 2 for 1

[@crovax1375]

Niv-Mizzet is an absolute boss! I play him in a storm deck with Mind's Desire and he can just wreck opponents

[@stevoyah]

Generic goblin upload to higher res viewing :)

[@user-ww3js8ci7d]

My mans playing Muldrotha could have easily taken out Niv-Mizzet with plague crafter and animate dead.

[@iicontagion5864]

There are no other MTG channels. There is only MTG Muddstah. And tons of generic Goblin Noise.!!!!

[@DarthJarJar501]

Actually there are also affinity to commander and the command zone, but i get what you are saying

[@MrEliakimRAS]

Playing with Power?

[@astonrichardson5288]

Ahh the perfect example of a janky cheap deck doing really well

[@DummyUrD]

Seems like a pretty sloppy game. Countering spells with Glen-Elendra before the draw/ping trigger is so inefficient, at least make him play another spell. Imho the threat assessment was also all over the place and all the tutored 1 toughness creatures also hurt my heart a bit. But kudos to Dean I think his game was pretty much on point, except forgetting crossroads (which muddstah also did 9:30). Sorry I can't say more positive things about this game :C

[@DeanJayJackmanJr]

I didn't forget about crossroads! Lol. I don't have anger in my deck XD

[@initialDC231]

Izzet FTW

[@codyallen1227]

Did john play 2 lands in one turn with out an extra land drop effect?

[@DarkEinherjar]

You mean the first turn? He sacrificed Marsh Flats to search for Bayou and put it on the field.

[@Cole444Train]

Are you talking about the fetchland???

[@codyallen1227]

Nvm. I thought he played strip mine twice in the same turn but the table passed turns so fast i missed it

[@kkkrisada]

While the game was a bit 1-sided, that doesn't take away from the fact that it was an Awesome Niv-Mizzet showcase! Great deck and direction choice. Great playing on Dean's side. Love the channel.

[@alexjustart]

1:00

[@XZumex]

Why no one run any removal for the niv? Seems like it would be an pretty easy card to find an answer for. Dean way too Aggro you guys shoulda grouped up on the guy playing aggro.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Instant and sorcery removal spells are tricky to use against Niv: the controller could always draw a counterspell from his trigger, not to mention the damage from said draw. Steve could recur his Plaguecrafter, but that too was dangerous: if Dean had a draw/burn spell, he'd be able to destroy the Plaguecrafter in response to the trigger, thus forcing Steve to sacrifice Muldrotha.

[@XZumex]

Niv dies or gets shut down by almost all the popular removal in the format I’m not convinced that it will ever be an good commander tho. Maybe in games like this but in my group it would be an joke

[@darksteelmenace595]

I think my Niv Mizzet never stayed on the board for more than two turns lol Luckily my deck is built in a way that doesn't need Niv to win the game.

[@peewee130946]

DarkSteelMenace yeah I built mine as a spellslinger deck

[@zohaibsyed21]

can I see your deck list?

[@axismt]

Dean's deck is built for 1v1

[@DeanJayJackmanJr]

It definitely does work best in a 1v1 situation lol.

[@Madman3721]

As a good rule of thumb, if you don’t have a good play with a shock land, don’t shock it in, especially if you have a Niv player on the table.

[@Ruebe81]

This is why you play removal.

[@LucasLopes-sd5op]

The Vannifar player did a chain for nothing.. Besides, how could you leave that niv alive for so long? It seemed like a bad match of brawl.

[@tmakalpha1]

As a Niv player myself, I was wondering why this one was not degenerate at all: no GE Kefnet, extra turns or copy spells. "No rares" ahhhh

[@DeanJayJackmanJr]

It's actually all common! There are some printed uncommon but it's true blue pauper.

[@Cole444Train]

Dean Jackman that’s awesome

[@Abyzdecannes]

Niv-Mizzet pings are commander damage too !

[@MTGMuddstah]

They aren't, sadly.

[@TheShonsi]

Commander damage is only when they deal combat damage.

[@Abyzdecannes]

@@MTGMuddstah Ooh I thought it was for all damage done by the Commander itself, ok then

[@DarkEinherjar]

That would make Purphoros a god among gods...

[@TheEcho154]

Should the Niv pings count as Commander Damage? Asking for a friend.

[@itskermitborne9904]

Josh Hess no its commander battle damage

[@MTGMuddstah]

They do not. Commander damage is exclusive to the card / commander doing combat damage.

[@lizeux2157]

purphoros would be banned if that was the case XD

[@TheEcho154]

@@lizeux2157, to be honest, I thought that was why he was so good.

[@Kozi15]

1 Single Doomblade would have save them from Niv.

[@mggmg4446]

AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT DOESNT GET HOW JOHN CAST THE CATTAPILLER TURN 1

[@Threadoflength]

He cast it by cracking a Marsh Flats for a Bayou and paying 1 green mana.

[@mggmg4446]

@@Threadoflength Gotcha, I was confused cuz i didnt know what land he got

[@DorianTheReaper]

I was rlly hoping to see more from vannifar but landestruction happened which inkinda hate tbh cuz you lock an opponent out of the game and that person is not able to do anything but watch which isnt fun for anyone

[@thotslayer3214]

man Dean REALLY hates John