Princess Bubblegum is a PSYCHOPATH!?

[@hattoripool1533]

It’s honestly shocking how Bubblegum went from a honestly innocent princess not different from say Princess Peach in season 1 to genuinely messed up in later seasons

[@aertnadle2466]

She did become better in seasons 7-10 and Distant Lands.

[@JohnAbdielgonzalez-bl4xl]

She's not a tyrant she's a creator now she's with Marcy 2 immortals in an efr changing world. Also to the point bonabell was alone and created her people. She's not a phyco she's a creator

[@Martin-yh7vi]

​@@JohnAbdielgonzalez-bl4xlReally can't justify her meddling on other people's lives. Especially those of which aren't even her people.

[@meursault7030]

Honestly, honestly, genuinely.

[@bemiatto67]

Even season 1 was dropping hints she wasn't so innocent. I remember in Ricardio, she was coming out of a secret tunnel that was all grimy looking and looked like a dungeon. There was even a skeleton that was chained up.

[@SwellStuff483]

Let’s not forget about Lemongrab, who was essentially her disabled child who she tossed aside because she saw him as nothing more than a failed experiment

[@fracttu]

Did she tho? She helped him every single time he needed something, even giving an endless source of food, and a way to make more citizens and when he became obsessed with that she removed the recipe that gives life to candy from his brain so he'd stop. Also on that same episode finn asked why not fix him, fix his personality and she said that there's nothing to fix, that's just how he is. That just confirms that she doesnt sees him like a failed experiment and accepts him how he is.,

[@SwellStuff483]

@@fracttu True she did help him eventually, but only after he became a nuisance to her people. In the first episode he appeared in, she banished him back to a life of solitude without a second thought.

[@maestrulgamer9695]

​​@@SwellStuff483 After how much worse he became,Lemongrab is lucky he didn't get the electric chair at some point! He wanted a castle to live on,PB gave him a castle. He wanted company,she gave him someone like him to live with. He ran out of food from creating too many people,she gave him more food and stopped his from repeating him mistake. He was told better way to act with the citizens,he just didn't care! If he can't be fixed,but also shouldn't be killed or caged,then HOW should have Bubblegum dealt with him?

[@TJ-hg6op]

@@maestrulgamer9695I feel she should’ve made a second lemongrab from the start. While both of them were identical, you can clearly see the difference in their actions. Lemongrab one was entitled and seemed to only care for themselves, while lemongrab two while still strange seemed to be far kinder and forgiving. This shows that based on their upbringing, even 2 identical people can turn out very differently. Her neglect of him led him down his path.

[@noname-lb3sg]

​@@maestrulgamer9695she the main reason why his behaviour is bad like that and even tho she can fix him so easily like she did in certain episode with his white version by opening his head and earsing some point from his brain with only pen but she doesn't

[@Las3Ms_]

Don’t forget that her first appearance in the Show had her committing one of, if not the BIGGEST taboo in science, *resurrecting the dead.*

[@kroganbers3rker778]

Necromancy ftw

[@frimi8593]

But like. At the end of the episode she actually succeeds. Yes there was a zombie outbreak for like a day. With one casualty in starchy, who would get revived anyway. But in the end she successfully creates a serum that reverses death. How is that anything other than good

[@dinoboiis8147]

⁠​⁠@@frimi8593how would you think Death would feel about it

[@frimi8593]

@@dinoboiis8147 I guess that depends on if candy people go to the dead worlds after death. I mean, I can’t remember any candy people in the dead worlds but maybe I’m just forgetting. And seeing as they’re all constructs made by pb, they may not have souls that can reincarnate Edit: I was wrong, candy people can be seen in the dead worlds

[@dailycatsandgaming3178]

​@@dinoboiis8147doesn't matter what they think about it😂 it won't affect them

[@nikrose5229]

She is a perfect example of that one person who thinks they can fix other people's problem by not knowing anything about them when really she should be minding her own business.

[@rodrigocoockiemonster4460]

@nunyabusiness3786 So just because you do things -not out of malice -but out of ignorance and self-rightousness they are justified? The pathway to hell isn't made out of malice or egoism, it's made of stupid good intentions

[@pastorche1722]

like an American white girl

[@nikrose5229]

Lol yeah@@pastorche1722

​@@pastorche1722or just american?

[@Kiruma_Tatsuki]

@@pastorche1722agreed

[@level5650]

Fun fact, she was very likely one of the inspirations of Makima from Chainsaw Man. I’m not even kidding, Tatsuki Fujimoto explicitly names Adventure Time as an influence on his manga.

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

Now that I think about it....Denji does have similarities to Finn. A blonde teen with no parents and has a dog with supernatural abilities. I never noticed that.

[@ДокторИсторий]

At least, Fujimoto treat Makima as Villian with no redemption arc.

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

@@ДокторИсторий Main problem with Adventure Time is the show rarely condemn PB actions, even more so the fans especially after Bubbline became canon. If she didn't go that far, did but was called out as a villain or get the same karmatic treatment as the rest of the characters, then we wouldn't have this much issues.

[@ДокторИсторий]

@@Saltedroastedcaramel Your right. For example, Betty did many bad things in entire series. But at least she did recognize that and made right thing at the end.

[@chaos4654]

I don't think the author ever mention's Princess Bubblegum though. If anything Makima is probably closer to Peppermint Butler or Hudson given she wears a suit.

[@error-try-again-later]

My favourite part is that she's "saving the kingdom" almost entirely from _her own actions_ 💀

[@yourself1210]

Literally jimmy neutron

[@frimi8593]

Is she tho? Like with Godiad and Rattleballs she causes the problem, fully granted. But the fire kingdom? aliens? She didn’t create either of those perceived threats. Also worth noting is the numerous things she protects the kingdom from which aren’t mentioned in these discussions because they are viewed as strictly positive actions. In fact I’m pretty confident that if you were to tally up all the episodes in which pb has any active influence over the plot (not passive, like being kidnapped or possessed or anything where she has no agency in it) that the number of times she plays a protagonist role outweighs the times she plays an antagonistic role

[@didybopintitys]

@@frimi8593 fire kingdom is a unknown variable in the sense maybe they would be a threat maybe they wouldn’t, but I guarantee trapping the princess and stealing from them would push it a lot more into the direction of being a threat then not lol

[@frimi8593]

@@didybopintitys I mean fair, but also fp’s family members are much bigger threats than she is sooooo

[@thenerdbird5596]

She's basically a typical cumminist.

[@thejwoom9912]

“You might know how to use empathy, but you don’t feel it.” - Caterpie

[@Tsareena_Mangosteen]

Ah, good ol' Caterpie

[@infinityheart_tm9270]

The lizard…

[@vessel__]

Deep cut

[@Dat_One_Frogboi]

“This is for Pablo”

[@nylepackpam9336]

Starter Squad ftw

[@_NIKOS9_NIKOS]

I love how PB didnt do shit about the Fire Kingdom's weapons when it was under the rule of a guy who PROUDLY declared himself as evil. But once the Kingdom was under someone who was legit chill (metaphorically atleast) for probably the first time in it's history she went "They might become a threat in the future, better take care of that!". It actually is amazing that despite every horrible thing she did in the name of "protecting" her Kingdom, it still got destroyed probably no long after the events of Fionna and Cake as we saw in Shermy and Beth future.

[@Jdudec367]

Flame King didn't attack or talk about conquering a Kingdom unlike Flame Princess and her brother though. Which is fair really. Most weren't horrible though. After Peps took over yeah.

[@quinnholloway5400]

@@Jdudec367 Flame Princess wasn't talking about Conquering the kingdom That was all her brother and she was clearly not accepting of it

[@Jdudec367]

@@quinnholloway5400 Still...he has power, also again Goblin Kingdom.

[@DefyReality-ll2cg]

@@Jdudec367 Not really, he is the only one who wants to do it and Pheobe and the rest of her royal court/family treat him like a five-year old with a wild imagination. He doesn't have the power to make decisions like that as NO ONE is in agreement with him and he loves and respects his sister enough to not betray her trust and go behind her back and lie stating she approved everything.

[@Spacellama117]

Adventure time is the biggest case of Cerberus Syndrome ever. Goes from "Young boy and dog brother go around on adventures for a princess and beat up a silly old crazy man' to "The last human on the continent and his parasite alien brother travel a world ravaged by the horrors of nuclear war and the anthropomorphic personification of entropy for a 1000 year old gumball with a god complex while having mixed feelings about a man trapped within a labryinth of his own mind'... I love it so much.

[@audreyharris7643]

Sure is

[@FreshZCORD]

haha so true

[@deltalord6969]

The show really overlooks alot of her absolutely heinous actions i mean what she did to the fire kingdom and constantly monitoring her citizens for the sake of supposed safety is unforgivable in my eyes

[@AdanSolas]

Her citizens are absolutely mentally incapable of protecting themselves.

[@dingola_]

​@@AdanSolasi mean, she creates them, so yeah, still her fault

[@aertnadle2466]

She did become better in seasons 7-10 and Distant Lands. Flame Princess did call her out in The Cooler.

[@LucaMations]

@aertnadle2466 Exactly, people are so caught up in hating her and her horrible actions that they don't realize that she realized the error of her ways and became redeemed

[@abhikergaming7783]

@@LucaMations Not really I don't know about being redeemed her actions were so bad that she will be forever classified as a horrible person. Besides people hate characters that did actions far less worse then her,for example the Pale King

[@hattoripool1533]

Im surprised her and Marceline were even able to even able get back together in the first place. I mean she straight up called her Monster Trash once and used her magically crowned mentality ill adoptive father for various things like freezing the fire kingdom’s core.

[@JohnDoe-ds8um]

But that's all forgiven since she's a Les Bien

[@aertnadle2466]

She did become better in seasons 7-10 and Distant Lands. Like Bubblegum didn't remain bad forever, she does go through character development.

[@franciscoOrellana29]

​@@JohnDoe-ds8umthank you for such an elaborate response

[@JLacay]

Are you (and a lot of people) forgetting that Marceline was going to let the entire Glass Kingdom shatter and melt? While PB was harsh, it was pretty messed up for her to tell PB that they should just leave and let them die.

[@Huhu0137]

They were both fucked up in different ways, but they are the only consistency in each other's immortal life, it's no surprise that their fates are always entangled. And if you see some other versions of these two in different universes, you can tell it’s not always healthy, but that’s how it is.

[@emilyglass5313]

I think Goliad is enough proof of how crazy PB is. Goliad had PB's DNA, and it took Stormo, a sphynx made from Finn's DNA, to stop her.

[@laranakeyaleicen]

That’s what I’ve been saying to the ppl who thinks she wasn’t atleast a bit of a psychopath. Goliath literally has her dna and PB herself admitted it 😂

[@acefalcongaming9711]

wouldn't it have been wild if Goliad and Stormo was a foreshadowing of Finn fighting her

[@emilyglass5313]

@@acefalcongaming9711 That would have been awesome!

[@the-unknown-1]

I don't think that is great proof because the show explained why she acted like that in the episode. Goliad became the way she did because she saw Jake interact with the kids at the school. She literally repeated Jake's words back to him as justification for what she was doing.

[@laranakeyaleicen]

@@the-unknown-1 yeah but it’s her DNA that made her that because PB only chance of equaling Goliath was Finn DNA AKA Son soooo it still proves my point lol

[@ThePumpkinHeaded]

I like how a lot of people also overlook her actions in James, she purposefully sabotages all of Finn’s plans to help them escape because she believed they wouldn’t work, and sent one of her own people to their death and played it off as a sacrifice James willingly made. And it’s obvious she only cloned him just to downplay the whole ordeal.

[@RandomPerson0498]

Not exactly, she wanted to sacrifice James because he was someone she could easily remake and bring to life again, unlike Finn.

[@averywho6430]

To be fair, Ice King kidnapped her on multiple occasions so I can see why she didn’t even hesitate to torture him for information.

[@runajain5773]

Like yah ice king did kidnap a lot princess from region marriage for him as we know what person

[@PB-N-Jenny]

Even worse with the last Rattleball she literally was like "Y'know how this guy's chillin? Yeah he can do that in hell" before Finn is like "Fuck that" and convinced her to let the last rattleball live, like if it wasn't for Finn that MF woulda been dead

[@carbodude5414]

I think the main problem wasn't that Princess Bubblegum abused her power. Its that, up until Flame Princess tells her off, the show treated these negative traits of hers as if it was a _positive_ So it wasn't so much that PB was a problem, rather, the problem was the show glorifying the system of monarchy. Its particularly telling that when the Candy people became independent enough to vote her out of power, the show frames this as a _bad_ thing

[@reesespuffs7142]

no they dont?? Others have called her a bad person so many times and everytime her and lsp interact lsp usually says that 💀

[@reesespuffs7142]

i dont know where your getting this bogus from mf takes u pills deadass

[@enterurnamehere27]

​@@reesespuffs7142 she's not called out that much. Also, she never actually got to face any consequences for the bad actions herself

[@reesespuffs7142]

@@enterurnamehere27 realistically, what consequences would she face?

[@enterurnamehere27]

@@reesespuffs7142 for commiting something like a literal genocide? Idk maybe life imprisonment AT LEAST

[@SaruTanku]

And the one thing I hate is PB is NEVER called out or truly consequence for her disgusting ways. She never TRULY changes, she just loses her position in power when people figure out how screwed up she is. But she never truly sees the just desert for everything she did, and instead was REWARDED with her utterly undeserved happy ending.

[@jp9480]

so i guess seasons 7 to 10 just don’t exist then

[@Zilly.]

Tell me you didn't watch the show without telling me you didn't watch the show

[@RandomPerson0498]

She was called out many times, and she does become a more compassionate person as the series progresses.

[@runajain5773]

​@@RandomPerson0498yeh she did the election but king do not maintain kingdom anarchy pb come to maintain the kingdom

[@madcat789]

Remember when she was just a fun, smart princess that made a few mistakes and was an actual 18 year old? Yeah, I remember.

[@serena7up175]

PB is Actually 820 years old,She's Lied about her Age!

[@madcat789]

@@serena7up175 that's a retcon, sadly.

[@RedMouthSmileAndFreedom]

PB's character development is genius, I love how her arc is letting go

[@reesespuffs7142]

fr

[@perry.the.weirdo]

7:22 “i didn’t realize this was tokyo ghoul” FINALLY SOMEONE WHO’S WATCHED TG!!!! I’D LOVE TO SEE A VIDEO ON KANEKI!!!!!

[@SilverScribe85]

It's a flaw I've seen through many other so-called "genius" characters in media. They think that just because they're "they smartest person in the room," their intellect gives them the right to do whatever they please (ex. shame people's religious beliefs, experiment on people, make the lives of others harder etc.) and Bubblegum is no exception. Ever since she got turned back into her older self, after almost dying due to the Lich, PB had become an absolute mess of a character. She spies on EVERYBODY in Ooo (Big Brother style,) she insults the practice of magic despite so much evidence proving her own beliefs wrong, she caused a zombie apocalypse on TWO separate yet equal occasions, she's manipulated Finn and Jake many times over and she doesn't give a flip-flop about the fact that many of her people (her own creations, I might add) openly hate her

[@littlemoth4956]

"shame people's religious beliefs" What an oddly specific example that has literally never appeared in media like this...

[@SilverScribe85]

@@littlemoth4956 No doubt I've seen Brian Griffin do it loads of times

[@eriklazo5499]

her best friend is a unicorn, a unicorn with magic powers and had the lich trapped in her kingdom. like how can she not believe in magic when she has a magical creature for a friend, a cosmic being in pretty much her attic, not to metion the count examples that exist.

[@Holly-xq5hk]

shaming people's religious beliefs is based tho Believing in fantasy stories is stupid in 21st century and with internet available, and supporting religion which is oppressive is bad, so religious freaks should be shamed

[@SilverScribe85]

@@eriklazo5499 My points exactly

[@adarkerstormishere]

TBF, the reason Goliad decided to become a tyrant was only *partially* due to PB's genetics. The other reason is because Jake displayed tyranny towards the toddlers.

[@theamazingtommo]

i mean, i don't blame jake too much cuz those kids were obnoxious

[@toganium4175]

The fact that Bubblegum got a happy ending will never not make me mad. I respect the writers for putting her with Marceline, but honestly, Marceline deserved much better.

[@newdawnhorizon9879]

She doesn't deserve marceline and I'm pretty sure she said some kind of slur to her

[@ezrabraman6437]

Marceline can fix her!

[@newdawnhorizon9879]

​@@ezrabraman6437Marcy needs to stay away from her

[@newdawnhorizon9879]

@scarletgoat173 I was telling someone that bubblegum shouldn't be anywhere near Marcy

[@newdawnhorizon9879]

@scarletgoat173 Calling Marcy monster trash

[@Chris-th5fl]

The finale of adventure time would have been more meaningful if bubblegum was the final villian. Imagine finn going up against the lady he was in love with and sworn to protect since the beginning of the series. It would feel very bittersweet but an interesting way to grow finn even more.

[@justanothermortal1373]

I wouldn't have liked that. I really like PB as a character. And besides, I don't think she is a psychopath. I think she just thinks she's always right. There are many times in the show where she has shown empathy and rushed to the aid of her friends. She is messed up, no doubt, but certainly in no way is she evil.

[@JLacay]

So you're one of those people who didn't catch up with the series and just watched the finale, right?

[@Chris-th5fl]

@@JLacay it's just an opinion. You can disagree if you want but the last few seasons were not that good.

[@rhopumpkin9538]

This would’ve been an ass ending I’m sorry

[@Walid-mk4jo]

@Chris-th5fl I think it has something to do with seasonal rot where a show goes on for such a long time that the quality decreases and the show gets worse

[@dhawthorne1634]

"You're a sociopath" Tree Trunks was talking to the wrong elemental.

[@jinhunterslay1638]

Fun Fact: There is a Japanese short horror comic where a woman hiked up a mountain in search for a mythical vending machine that sells babies in a can (yes, rlly), because she want to be a mom. She found the machine and bought a loving baby boy for herself just as the caretaker of the vending machine, a forest fairy, appears to restock the machine. The mother asks why the machine was hidden in such a remote place and the fairy explains that it's to test the will of any would-be parents who want to buy from the machine. The fairy congrats the new mother and proceeds to restock the machine....in an absolutely terrifying way. She took out all the "expired" cans and stomped them, one-by-one, with the babies still alive and crying inside. The horrified mother asks what the fairy is doing, and the fairy coldly replied she can't have unwanted babies up for sale because it's bad for business. All the cans should be fresh. The mother tearfully leaves with her new son while saying "I'm sorry...I'm sorry" as she try her best to ignore the cry for help coming from the expired babies.... The reason I retold this whole story is because Princess Bubblegum's actions remind me of this short story, and that story is MEANT to be horrifying! It's a HORROR story! Meanwhile, PB do atrocities on the same level as that forest fairy, but it's played for comedy....

[@annemeownie]

Oh wait now i wanna read this. Thats a super chilling yet fascinating tale

[@davidaugustofc2574]

Gahdayum

[@queen_splash1107]

What's the comic's name please?

[@Electronica27]

@@queen_splash1107 I bet it's something like baby vending machine

[@gabriellaalvarado616]

I’ve tried googling everything under the sun to find this comic but I can’t. 😭 Please tell us the name

[@JuanTonSoupXP]

She’s able to look anyone in the eyes kindly - while at the same time lie, manipulate, and gaslight them. She always gets what she wants in the end, even whenever she lost her kingdom - she found something to gain.

[@deltamachine343]

I would have loved to see that she was actually the villain and Gumbald was actually a misunderstood leader. That would have been a surprising twist (not really since we know PB did horrible things since the beginning of the show)

[@JuanTonSoupXP]

@@deltamachine343 honestly think the only reason she didn’t get a full villain arc was to preserve her and Marceline’s relationship. The way the story went was great, don’t get me wrong - but like you said, would’ve been cool to see her as the villain.

[@deltamachine343]

@@JuanTonSoupXP you're right. That's why they made it seem like there's no consequences for her actions. Even though I will always think Marceline deserved something better than being with someone like PB. Like they could have been friends easily. But a romance I think it wouldn't work. Such a wasted potential.

[@JuanTonSoupXP]

@@deltamachine343 they made them seem happy together in the projects after adventure time, but idk it just feels like a plot hole with Marceline’s character to basically ignore all the shit PB has done.

[@deltamachine343]

@@JuanTonSoupXP indeed. It just feels odd and so out of place. I see it as the writers just made a fantasy happily ever after ending. Which if you think about it. Will be a very bad message for the viewers. And mostly considering that the people who watch these shows are usually teenagers or adolescents that might want to get into couple stuff. It doesn't matter what they did in the past, they said they're sorry, now everything's ok.

[@An_Entire_Lime]

I'm pretty sure the show is very aware of how messed up PB's tendencies were, and just actively chooses to not acknowledge that, or rather how evil they make her as a character, it knows these things happened, it usually portrays them as a bad thing, but when it comes to actually associating these bad actions to her being a bad person it just... doesn't to a comedic degree like "Yeah PB committed several war crimes, she just does that sometimes, don't mind her ;)" They treat it as like a moderate mess up among her otherwise generally likeable character at most, and I personally can't get enough of it Tldr: I think that was the joke

[@kangarooMonkee]

Yeah, on first watch I read a lot of it as just dark humour. Although it definitely took things more seriously later on.

[@Martin-yh7vi]

​@@kangarooMonkeeThe show was like that. It never really had an overarching story in the beginning. So never did I ever expect those moments to be that important later on.

[@kangarooMonkee]

@@Martin-yh7vi I love how it would take jokes, throwaway lines, or even one particular animation error and turn them into full episodes and characters.

[@Huhu0137]

To be fair, the characters that were affected negatively by her actions, usually got a pretty strong dislike of her. It’s just our main cast are the ones who didn’t get hurt directly, or someone like Marceline, who is just too old to care, much like PB herself. I don’t think the show is downplaying her dark side, it’s just we are seeing more of her softer side from the perspective of Finn.

[@An_Entire_Lime]

@@Huhu0137 I'm not talking about us seeing her good side more often, although that is true, my point mostly stems from the fact that in the odd times where her bad actions ARE explicitly shown to the rest of the main cast they generally don't really care, and when they do it's way less than they probably should. I mean the biggest negative reaction I can remember is from Flame Princess which was still severely lesser than it probably should since the war crime in question was a direct threat to her entire people. I do know there are characters that do dislike her for it, but I was mostly referring to the main cast when writing this And how their opinion of her generally doesn't change when they find out she commits a war crime every 2 days. Not that the entire show just collectively never acknowledged how messed up she was ever I really should have made that distinction very clear but the whole idea of this comment was made in a tired haze so I guess I forgot I'm also not saying that they are "downplaying" her bad side, they play it completely straight, her evil deeds are very much on screen at the front and center. It's exactly the fact that the viewer is so aware of how bad she is that makes the character's lack of reaction so good, which I want to believe was intentional.

[@firemaster9293]

Personally, PB's character would be more tolerable to sit though if they portrayed her as an anti-villain. I like the idea (I repeat, the idea) of a ruthless tyrant leader who commits atrocities to protect her people and anyone he/she cares about. I would be on board if PB acts more like Sylvanas from World of Warcraft and that playable Sith Lord from Star Wars: The Old Republic. But my biggest problem is the show including PB herself tried to convince me that she's a good person but after all the terrible things that you mentioned, I don't buy it. Action speaks louder than words no matter how good her intentions are.

[@aertnadle2466]

She did become better in seasons 7-10 and Distant Lands.

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

​@@aertnadle2466 Sometimes the damage is done for some people.

[@frimi8593]

@@Saltedroastedcaramel and some people believe criminals can’t be reformed in real life. They’re both wrong

[@MalzraAirwynn]

Sylvanas? If you consider Sylvanus an 'anti villain' you may not want to play BFA/Shadowlands, the things she's responsible for are worse than PB.

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

@@frimi8593 Just because criminals can be redeemed doesn't mean they all do. In fact, they'll take advantage of that "they can be redeemed" by politicians who don't care about the average citizens who are harmed over this belief until it happens to them. I don't think criminals who are making places like San Francisco or Portland a living hell care about being redeemed. Also a bunch of politicians were okay with getting a lot Hawaiian people killed in a fire by not sounding the alarm by lying they don't a siren for fires, turning off the water and blocking the highway to escape. The fact that you brought up real life criminals in a social climate where criminals basically get away with robbing stores and creating food deserts plus the raising crimes over the years pisses me off. The whole "redeeming criminals" is even more of a sham when people get crucified for less or because of having commons sense. But anyways narrative wise, yes what Princess Bubblegum had the irredeemable point.

[@clover6349]

That taxes scene actually got me pressed when i first watched it😭😭😭 imagine taking half the shi of the 2 mfs that save your entire kingdom on a weekly basis because they "technically" are under your jurisdiction

[@madamrabbit8503]

ngl her dark side is so fun to watch i love bubblegum because of her depths as a character

[@3bodYking99]

7:50 i don't think she was at ALL in the wrong in this one. She didn't know of the existence of aliens(she is too smart to not think about it, but even geniuses miss stuff up or just forget). And her plan was to simply send sentient candy seeds to populate other planets if something happens to her kingdom, since she wants the candy kingdom to live on. And when she learnt that the spaceship hit aliens, and was hurting people, she called it off instantly. It's why tree trunks respected her a little, as a mother, because she understood that it was a genuine mistake and not something she planned at all.

[@Gabesoup99999]

Exactly, other points are right

[@3bodYking99]

@@Gabesoup99999 yeah.

[@JLacay]

People forget that she have empathy. Always focus on what she did wrong and completely forgets what she did after.

[@3bodYking99]

@@JLacay i mean, empathy or not, she DID DO A LOT of shitty stuff that hurt other people badly. She has empathy, but even if she felt bad, she would always prioritise her people before others, she would doom your whole kingdom if it meant saving hers(she was doing so, and kinda did do that exact thing to the flame kingdom). She DID improve as a person later on, when her OWN PEOPLE voted her out, and she had time to herself to think about her life, he people, and her responsibilites.

[@real-reality3531]

@@3bodYking99she should pay for her actions I always hated her

[@AlfredoPuente8]

She knew Finn was into her, and she used a confused minor as meatcanyon.

[@Exquailibur]

100% a bad person, but it makes sense for her character and also I would not want it any other way. She is a very interesting character that is very morally gray but probably a net gain for Ooo even if very shady. It reminds me of the government.

[@JLacay]

PB reminds me of Asgore from Undertale. They both love and care for their citizens, but will do heinous acts to keep them safe.

[@ponikoTV]

​@@JLacayvery true

[@baron6588]

@@JLacay Except Asgore wasn’t a tyrant who didn’t establish a police state, even his citizens complained he was actually too nice or too much of a pushover despite being their ruler. He did his heinous acts due to irrationality caused by the death of his children and his wife leaving him (Toriel should definitely be partly blamed for Asgore’s decisions, she left him when he needed her most, and only made his mindset worse). He was suicidal and depressed both by what happened to him, and the heinous acts he made. He heavily regretted his actions the moment he made them. PB didn’t regret shit until she lost her kingdom, everything she did was premeditated, with a clear mind and clear goal. Asgore was broken, PB was not, she made those decisions with a healthy mind, and still made horrible acts regardless. It’s fair to compare the both, but Asgore is definitely more in the right than PB. Asgore was also never salty about his breakup with his wife, and was always civil and respectful to Toriel even when Toriel badmouthed him, PB called Marcy Monster Trash once and always turned toxic when she couldn’t control Marcy, keeping that saltines until the two reconciled. Granted, PB isn’t like that anymore (somewhat) and she definitely is a much better romantic partner and person, she has grown, but what she was, is much worse than what Asgore was at his worst.

[@JLacay]

While I do agree with that, but I don’t see how she was controlling over Marcy and was toxic to her when she called her monster trash. PB loved her the way she is, especially that Marcy always drags to go on adventures with her or just hang out. So I don’t see how she was controlling. I also don’t understand how she was toxic when PB was in a lot of pressure to contain Larvo back in the Glass Kingdom. Marceline wasn’t helping much and suggested that they should leave to die because they are glass and they will break eventually. What she said to her was wrong, but it doesn’t excuse Marcy to be a dick

[@baron6588]

@JLacay Yeah Marcy should be blamed too for their breakup incident, but I’m talking their in general ex-relationship that was hinted at throughout the series before they got together, it was pretty clear that PB was always infuriated by Marcy when she went wild and wasn’t able to be controlled, or if her logic didn’t fit her logic. Also being toxic doesn’t mean you don’t still love the person your being toxic too, that’s not how love works. It’s nuanced as hell especially having experienced a similar situation myself. PB very much cared for Marcy, but wanted Marcy to fit in her bubble because she cared for her. Her intentions weren’t ill at all, she thought she would be able to protect Marcy if she was in that bubble, able to keep both her job, her relationship, and her people all organized and effective doing so, but wanting your fellow special someone to conform to your needs is the first step to a toxic relationship. Every time Marcy went out of that bubble, she would get toxic because she cared, and it can lead to the crappy shit she said. Love can manifest the greatest words, and the worst words. It led to her work getting in the way of their relationship, where she dug herself too deep into it to which Marcy knowing by her breakup song, wasn’t a big fan to how crappy PB was ruling her kingdom. Though to be completely fair, Marcy was definitely not ready for a relationship by this point, way too much of a untreated PTSD pigbank, making her closed off, and is partly to blame for her being quite inconsiderate and just plain petty and immature at times, and considering PB while a genius had the emotional intelligence of a brick back then, she wasn’t fit at all to deal with her indirect baggage and personality problems due to that. You can tell breakup at the glass kingdom was a buildup of continues fights and silent bitterness as PB began ignoring Marcy constantly in their relationship due to diving too much into her work over everything I discussed, and of course Marcy was the one who would instigate it, but PB would make it worse by telling her off and insulting her, which you should NEVER DO. When I watched that, I immediately thought of a 100 ways where PB could have ended off that argument better even with emotions riled up, it pisses me off watching it. Marcy should be blamed too, but the breakup was ultimately in PB for creating the climate for it, being emotionally an idiot, and ending their argument off horribly that led to Marcy blast off into full “sing about my bottled up feelings” mode ending their relationship. Now that we understanding why the toxicity and insults thrown around in their relationship was there, does it justify it? Hell no, actions speak louder than words, and it very important you don’t act like dicks in your relationship and hurt the special other you love, being a dick in a relationship still means being a dick, Marcy was far from perfect, but she needed therapy, PB was just a straight up dick, despite her good intentions. Doesn’t mean they still didn’t love each other, if they didn’t, the relationship wouldn’t even exist in the first place, nor the toxicity too. You just need to find how and learn how your love won’t end up into insults and salt, to which Marcy and PB thankfully and eventually did.

[@2-bit567]

Honestly, I kinda love how the show eventually confronted how horrible PB was, and forced her to confront that truth. Bit by bit, tearing down her world. Eventually, with the help of Marcy, she became a better person. I like her character arc.

[@Walid-mk4jo]

In which episode did that happen?

[@2-bit567]

@@Walid-mk4jo Which part?

[@Walid-mk4jo]

@@2-bit567 To everything you said in this comment

[@animeguy9485]

​@@Walid-mk4jo dang I was hoping to find out too

[@RandomPerson0498]

​@@Walid-mk4joLate season 6 to early season 7 is when it starts

[@CaptainSockMonkey]

Honestly, I would say Bubblegum is a dictator. She's possessive, a beget to magic users, only cares for her own race, God complex, keeps her bother underground with a thing that can't do anything to protect him, keeps her kingdom under cooked to keep them "SAFE". Man, she even has the HERO of OOO as her protecter. I would love a part 2 on how she made lemongrab and made most of the dangers for her kingdom and just make replacements of her citizens.

[@demoncatthing]

Needy is where he’s been because that’s where he wants to be. PB doesn’t lock him away. Needy quite literally can’t stand being away from it and doesn’t/can’t really socialize. He didn’t come out of the Mother Gum the same way as PB and that’s effected his daily living. Finn was her protector on his own accord, not because she enlisted him

[@adriannabocian8076]

@@demoncatthing she did encourage and manipulate him to serve her tho

[@animationdude9]

@@adriannabocian8076 let’s not lie to ourselves. Finn was going to help people no matter what happened because that it’s been his passion from day one. Just being a hero alongside his brother because he loves it.

[@CaptainSockMonkey]

Based on what I have said I might need to explain some of my thinking. Needy is not like that because of PB. That I understand and will take into. The thing is she left a "Guardian" to protect him. Good she cares for him. Points to her. TL'DR she made a guardian that can can't do shit. And he's behind a "hidden door. Congrats PB your only family and the linchpin that your kingdom rides or dies on, and you make the bare minimum of protection. Better then nothing I guess. Hay when you had the Rattle Balls maybe make one that would protect Needy. Remember they follow her 100%. How about that instead of a guy that says hello welcome. Part 2 is about Finn.

[@CaptainSockMonkey]

Part 2 Finn. He is doing this out of his Hero code. I will agree with that. Can you give me an answer on why she flip flops on how to give orders to him. She knows how to give orders like in What Have You Done. But when it comes to Burning Love she dose the opposite and does the most complicated explanation. That and the speech she said could have been worded better and not cryptic! "Finn. When you are with some body. And you want to kiss them. But you can because you have responsibilities." "What I'm trying to say is your a hero Finn. Your my hero." Yo Gum rapper! Say Thanks for not Destroying the world Finn.

[@Goremize]

The thing is, what you notice is she only "regretted" (not really) her actions when she was caught. if its something she can get away with while murdering anything possible that could call her out she kept going.

[@shadowleon659]

See also got possessed by The Litch because she was the nearest evil person he could find. After Finn destroyed his physical body.

[@cadis4257]

The fact she never faced any real consequences for her actions always pissed me off. Why did the writers even set this up if they werent going to actually go anywhere with it.

[@StrategicLemon]

If you think of all the horrible things she's done, then PB would most likely get the death sentence or someone would have hired an assassin to take her out. But then it would piss off a lot of fans that she died, but realistically you can't do all those horrible things and just casually walk away from it. So just chalk it up to bad writing.

[@Jdudec367]

I mean she got consequences for her bad actions. They were going somewhere with it.

[@Jdudec367]

@@StrategicLemon Not really, she didn't do many horrible things. But she didn't do that many horrible things and it's fine really. No it isn't bad writing.

[@misterdj6671]

​@@Jdudec367lol great argument

[@Jdudec367]

@@misterdj6671 Is theirs any better?

[@FrenzyFanboy]

I love how you’re doing these style of videos with different franchises. Keep it up!!!

[@JumpierNewt8956]

“People get built different. We don't need to figure it out, we just need to respect it.” (Princess Bubblegum) As she proceededs to not respect multiple large groups of people and goes out of her way to disrespect and even harm them.

[@Idkffff]

Damn she just like me fr fr I think I just found my new favorite character

[@popneppopnep4357]

Ah yes a true politician.

[@badumba5511]

She got kicked out of her own kingdom for a reason...

[@Neganerd]

Something that was taken as bad and her kingdom was given to her again so 🤷

[@thatprofessorguy8316]

Shes a Machiavellian. To her “The ends justifies the means”. A practitioner of moral relativism where sacrificing a few morals would further benefit the world as whole down the line. Needless to say, you can do a lot of messed up things when you believe god/morality is on your side.

[@LucaMations]

She was a bad person in Seasons 1-3. Seasons 4, and especially 5 and 6 showed her horiffic dark side. But once she lost her Kingdom, she got better. Season 7 did a great job with her character, having her realize all the awful things she has done and wanting to be better. That's a character arc. When she gets her Kingdom back, she's not nearly as sinister. Yes, what she was doing to TT children was wrong, but at the end of the episode, she realized her mistake and apologized. She did awful things for years, but she did eventually realize the error of her ways

[@BlueBladerBot]

So if I stab you until you're bleeding out on the ground dying amd all I do is stop and apologize, all of a sudden I'm a saint because I "sAw tHe eRrOr oF mY wAyS"?

[@AdanSolas]

@@BlueBladerBotYeah, basically. The only issue would be whether or not we can trust that you wouldn’t do it again.

[@SphericalNervousSystem]

@@BlueBladerBot Steven universe moment

[@dingola_]

​​​​​@@BlueBladerBoti mean, yeah, what she passed was not NEAR as the amout that she deservos for what she have done, but not all of people who have done or even still does several bad things get propriely punished for it, especialy people in high social position. Our world is not 100% fair, and if yk adventure time, there neither. I dont think its about "forget" or necessarialy "forgive," its just that she commit horible things and now she has to get along with the consequences of her own actions. In resume: its like if you stabed somene, resurrected it, make it imortal, force it to be your servent for the rest of their life, and after ALL that feel sory about it, theres no way around.

[@LucaMations]

I'm not trying to see she's great now. She still has a lot to do to be better, but she started a redemption in Season 7, and she's slowly becoming a better person. She's still not great, but she saw how awful she was and is trying to improve. Look at Distant Lands. Did she give off the same horrible evil person back in Seasons 1-6?

[@TheIceCrypt]

I was so mad over the way the writers handled Uncle Gumbald; They tried to write him as irredeemable so PB was resolved of any & all wrong doing. If you take a step back however, you realise that PB created her family to fulfill specific roles & had no intention of letting them be their own people. In addition, her family inherited their personalities from PB when she created them, so the fact that they could turn on her the way they did somewhat reflects poorly on her I think. & lastly, she went ahead with Gumbald’s plans for the Candy Kingdom after not letting him do so & did nothing to help her relatives after they were candy-fied. She deprived UG of his dream & then fulfilled it herself. It’s so f***ed up. & ofc they just turn him back into a punch bowl after it seemed like they had reached an understanding. Like, “nope, Gumbald is just a bad guy. PB isn’t at fault at all & bares no responsibility in the slightest for the way things went down.”

[@demoncatthing]

She was just a kid, true she created them and they reflect on her but what was she really suppose to do after her uncle poisoned her aunt, her cousin and attempted to do the same to her?? Gumbald is not innocent either.

[@kva5751]

I don't think when she creates someone they always 100% reflect on her. UG just turned out bad for some reason but Aunt Lolly and the cousin didn't. HE was going to use the dum dum juice on her first , in fact he is probably the one who made the thing, not her. She had to defend herself, and if someone tried to do that to you, your telling me you would honestly trust them again? Nah. We have never seen her turn on someone ever in the entire show so your excuse for him being evil is a stretch. Even in the end, she apologized and wanted him to be himself but he was still going to turn her into a mindless candy person. Some characters just are not redeemable. Pb in this case, truly isn't at fault.

[@JoaoPedro-eq3hj]

So they should instead make her the bad guy and make Gumball a saint? The show was pretty clear with it: PB was way too controlling and wanted things her own way. PB HERSELF admits she was horrible for keeping Gumball stuck like that for centuries. She ends up trying to make peace finally, but Uncle Gumbalds greed is too great and tries to betray PB, and aunt Loly ends up saving PB So? Why cant we have a straigjt up villain character? Oh, right, cuz PB is an iredeemable psychopath grr! Oh wait-- there we go, making PB full on villain and making uncle Gumbald in the right

[@Kevin-jb2pv]

From PB's perspective: - She created her family, who then spent their time undermining her efforts to build her kingdom the way she envisioned and fighting with her - 2/3 of her family were poisoned with dumdum juice during a meeting where they were agreeing to conspire to do the same to her. - Her Uncle Gumbald tried to poison her with the dumdum juice, only to suffer the exact fate he was trying to inflict on her. - She began to question the wisdom of having other intelligent beings with ideas of their own around when she already had a clear vision of what she was trying to build. - She built her kingdom using much simpler-minded candy citizens who wouldn't argue with her (which is still very questionable, morally. Not really defending this, but we at least know WHY she did this, now) - Centuries later, her family are all "cured" and immediately begin plotting against her. Her cousin and aunt _STILL_ decide to join up with Gumbald, despite the fact that he was the person who outright betrayed them to their fate in the first place. - This would have indicated to PB that her family hated her more than the person who openly and remorselessly betrayed them, in the first place. - PB begins to build up her military after an attempt on Finn's life and an attempt to dumdum PB, herself by Fern and her family. - She still agrees to attempt a diplomatic solution by sending Finn and Jake to Gumbaldia (at their desperate request, sure, but she still agrees), despite her family committing the first open act of hostility against her and her friends. - Her family attempts ANOTHER act of "assassination" against her, which results in her closest, most trusted, most loyal, and extremely powerful advisor, confidant, and friend (Peppermint Butler) getting hit with the dumdum juice, instead. This essentially kills him. His personality, knowledge, and experiences are completely wiped from his memory, which basically kills the original version of Pepbut save for a ghostly apparition that occasionally haunts the new, younger version of himself. - May I remind you that using a diplomatic mission to attempt to assassinate your opponent is a BIG no-no when talking about international relations. MAJOR no-no on par with killing messengers/ envoys. It's a big "fuck you" that _CLEARLY_ indicates to everyone involved that they cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be trusted, and that they will not play by the rules. - Also, this results in Cousin Chicle ALSO getting caught in the crossfire, which neither Gumbald nor Aunt Lolly really seem to give a shit about. It is left unclear whether or not PB has any idea that this has happened, but Chicle was the one who put the dumdum juice on F & J in an attempt to take out PB, and so he kind of got what was coming to him, too. Chicle, TBH, feels pretty half-baked in the series, and the most we can really glean from his character is that he seems totally on board with Gumbald's bullshit. - She rallies her armies and meets Gumbald on the battlefield, and despite _EVERYTHING_ he's done up to this point and the _EXTREME_ risk that it poses to her, she _STILL_ makes one last attempt at finding a diplomatic solution. - She gets sucked into a dream world where she comes to the realization that, even though Gumbald has done extremely bad things to her, PB was also not completely in the right and did bad things to her family, too. - PB comes out of the dream feeling remorseful and attempts to sincerely apologize to her family. - Gumbald attempts to take advantage of PB's sincerity to assassinate her with dumdum juice, _AGAIN,_ but Aunt Lolly is now completely sick of Gumbald's shit and interferes, leading to Gumbald suffering the very fate he was about to inflict on PB (and probably herself, afterwards) - In the ending montage, PB and Aunt Lolly have reconciled. The only family member who remained "alive" in the end decided to repair her relationship with PB rather than continue her vendetta against her. Gumbald was treated as a bad person by the show because he _was_ a bad person. Yeah, Bubblegum was selfish when she was younger, but we have to remember that these were also pretty much the first real people she had ever had to interact with and clearly didn't have any social skills, whatsoever. She had no idea how to deal with other intelligent people and their own conflicting visions for how to do things. And, to be fair, Gumbald did the same shit she did to him. Gumbald decided to just chop down all the trees that the family had carefully planted and cultivated, and PB responded by flooding the little valley with butterscotch to create a lake. She was not the only one acting like a dick, and she was even shown trying to compromise, though it was made clear that her attempts were pretty weak. It's also not clear that PB _COULD_ have reverted the dumdum juice effects. If it was possible, then it certainly wasn't easy, because if she could do it then she almost certainly would have reverted the effects on Peppermint Butler. Even if she really is the heartless psychopath that so many KZbinrs like to claim that she is, then she STILL would have made an antidote to the dumdum juice to be used on herself after Gumbald's repeated attempts to use it on PB, if it was possible. It took a colossal event to undo the dumdum juice effects on her family, and it was only due to a power that LSP had that _nobody_ in Ooo was aware she had until the finale of Elements. And, even if PB was aware that LSP may have anti-elemental powers, beforehand, she still did not seem to know that these powers would be able to undo the effects of the dumdum juice, because she was completely blindsided when her family turned back up. I think we assume too much about PB's abilities, which is weird because her "science" experiments fail miserably all the time.

[@Jdudec367]

@@JoaoPedro-eq3hj No Gumbald was controlling and had terrible ideas here. When did she? She couldn't trust him again.

[@amharbinger]

I don't think the show overlooks her horrible crimes but instead highlights something worse. That we often overlook our friends terrible actions because of nepotism. On top of it, she always gives off that sweet persona; right down to her pink coloration. The idea being that those who present themselves in a certain way can be overlooked for doing horrible things.

[@avivastudios2311]

I have never liked Princess Bubblegum. When I was a kid she seemed so boast and rude to me and now that I'm an adult she's just... a monster.

[@PhasonDaLyricist]

PB often times thinks that she's doing the right thing or is trying to solve a problem but is going about it the wrong way. and i can see why she calls on Finn and Jake to defend the kingdom. they're the only ones with the power and experience to do so with Finn having his swords and knowing how to use them and Jake being able to stretch and bend his body at will.

[@ImTitan16]

Fun fact: tree trunks called pb a facist in one of the episodes

[@ironicweeb4111]

And Marcy in Obsidian called her a Dictator

[@maxhadanidea]

which one

[@nikitakobzar8321]

It seems to me that the authors missed the opportunity to go deeper into this part of the character with PB. We've seen enough of her emotional moments and she's worried about her loved ones (Finn, Jake and Marcy). And that she herself doubts her actions, but she calms herself with the thought that she is doing this for the good, that sacrifices must be made. In season 10, we rather see more of PB at the end of her life, we didn't have a deep dive into her doubts and feelings and how she dealt with the consequences of her decisions and trying to fit in with others (Flame Princess). They would show us that she would have more trust in others and maybe a series dedicated to her reflection and looking back at her past and wondering about her future. We even saw in the finale that she was doing well with others including Phoebe. But we have not seen the complete failure of such a transition, only fragments. A missed opportunity in my opinion given that we have episodes dedicated to character analysis and the recent development of Simon in Fiona and Cake.

[@emeraldpichu1]

The whole thing with lemonhope, clinches it in my opinion, because she gaslighted that boy to hell and back, deliberately putting him through starvation and suffering, and probably some level of mind control, because those dreams were definitely neither natural nor the result of the magic bird just to try to make them into the puppet ruler, and when that failed, she forced lemongrab to come back to life and suffer more. Just because I wanted to do more real life Catan role-play, because most of the nations are ones she controls for her own amusement. It’s like yes she might like her kingdom, but only as much as someone likes a small poodle they adopted and make other people take care of.

[@nonamesorry7135]

She cried to Marceline over how guilty she felt she couldn't take care of her kingdom, she has a very flawed moral compass and commits genuinely evil acts, but she's not a psychopath. Psychopathy is a mental disorder, just because someone is evil or a bad person doesn't automatically mean they are a psychopath.

[@deltamachine343]

She might be evil, but definitely not a psychopath. Good there. Now we can forgive her.

[@grandinquisitor8335]

I think Princess Bubblegum is just a victim of "making stuff up along the way" from the writers basically bubblegum morality and character being whoever was in charge of writing the episode at the time. In the early show she has all shorts of portraits of herself and family that get explained and retconned so a lot of stuff was just made up as they went. I like AT but it really has a tendency to just flip flop on characters not being sure who they are. But still, I feel if they doubled down on Princess Bubblegum being evil I imagine it being a great way to end the series, and also put finn in a dilemma, does he fulfil the role of a hero serving the kingdom or keep ooo safe.

[@audreyharris7643]

Fair point

[@reesespuffs7142]

exactky

[@animationdude9]

Agreed. They did not think this character through enough, and it really shows during re-watches. It’s stuff like this that prevents AT from being S Tier

[@audreyharris7643]

@@animationdude9 that's fair but like many shows it was figured out over time

[@iceluvndiva21]

In fairness? I doubt Fps old man wouldn't have resorted to locking FP away when murder didn't work.

[@Drawnspy]

Small detail: she also speaks fluent german, and we all now the last German speaking ruler was 🙋

[@somebodysomewhere6770]

Angela Merkel?

[@yay_ouma]

Don't forget the episode were she want Finn to literally kill the Duke for eating pudding💀💀💀💀

[@jamestolbert1856]

What’s even worse is that she never displayed any remorse for her actions while doing it. She’s a selfish narcissist

[@FreshZCORD]

eh no the end of the video even says she displayed remorse

[@jamestolbert1856]

@@FreshZCORDok that’s something

[@williamfincher2260]

The main problem with Princess Bubblegum is her mental health. She feels helpless and gets paranoid about things out of her control. It doesn't help that her kingdom and the entire world has been in danger, or that she almost died at the hands of the lich. People like Finn, Jake, and Marceline are the ones who help her overcome her faults. Most of her misdeeds happened when she was cutting herself off. Since she created the candy people and had to serve as a mother figure to them, it's often her responsibility to keep the kingdom running and make sure it's safe.

[@kalash9467]

She is 840 years old. The first sentient people she knew (and were made of her own flesh) betrayed her. What would you expect

[@serena7up175]

​@@kalash9467She's 820

[@rickanimationsnewchannel]

i love how princess bubblegum went from the average damsel in distress character to a psychopatchic mad scientist

[@MineONite]

Stalinist Bubblegum:

[@brookeneeley396]

What I don't understand is if PB is willing to genocide her gumball soilders, why is she so determined to keep Lemongrab alive if he's been nothing but trouble? Especially when he expressed multiple times for her to unmake him in one episode

[@audreyharris7643]

Good question

[@_cran]

Because lemongrab is disabled, soldiers are being violent on purpose which can be a real thread. I don't think lemongrab can go ahead and commit big crimes, he isn't that smart and he wouldn't want the kingdom to perish ever. But violent soldiers can possibly take down the kingdom if they wanted to. At least that's what I think PB would think.

[@brookeneeley396]

@@_cran but PB is not above killing her experiments if she doesn't care for them or if they can potentially pose a threat.

[@_cran]

@@brookeneeley396 If it is potantial thread yes but if they are not I think she doesn't care

[@marif2603]

This video perfectly summarizes why I don't judge the winter king too harshly. His one crime is doing something bad to Bubblegum, but I believe the world benefitted more from having him around instead of her.

[@enrikhev7542]

She has the advantage of being immortal, because we already know where she will go if she dies 😉

[@AlfaresAnas]

1st deadworld

[@Jdudec367]

At a pretty good spot really

[@Jdudec367]

@@AlfaresAnas press x to doubt

[@leontoeides]

I mean Marcy can bail her out anyway if that ever happens

[@lelesantosrodrigues]

​@@Jdudec367holy shit dude it is time to get out of the denial phase, you responded to all this comment with baseless and bad arguments, lear n that what you say doesnt matter when her actions say something else give up.

[@lukenyrocha8842]

PB create the candy kingdom because she didn't want to be alone anymore, she is basically a bad person trying to protect her playground, she literally kills, dismantle, betray, manipulate in order to maintain her selfish desire.

[@atlasprime6193]

Additionally, her season 1 feels very manipulative. Remember the episode where Finn tries to get to the Enchiridion after PB introduced it to him as a challenge? She also wanted to know the content of the book at the end but Finn was told not to tell her. Eventually, we know part of the content thanks to the Lich. Therefore, if you watch that episode again but the knowledge of everything ahead and apply PB’s psychopathic personality, it’s scary to realize she had manipulated Finn in that episode. All of the innocent sweet princess personality was just a mask, especially for Finn, since the early season follows his perspective a lot, so it’s easy to see why he falls for it due to his young age.

[@deadfichboat]

To be fair, she's a tiny piece of magical gum on a planet were everyone keeps dying in horrible ways.

[@deltamachine343]

She comes from magic, and yet she rejects the idea of it even existing.

[@whiterun_guard1634]

Amanda : This is how you make dinosaurs? Dr. Grant : No. This is how you play God.

[@A350flyernyc]

While I understand this word has become so overused in the modern political scene that it’s basically meaningless now, PB’s actions check a lot of the boxes for a totalitarian fascist regime. “For the good of the kingdom/people/country” is textbook rhetoric that many modern historic dictators have used to justify unspeakable acts of cruelty and violence against minorities, other nations, and other citizens. It’s just so ironic how a well-liked character in a beloved kids show would almost be universally condemned as a cruel dictator by many countries, the UN, multiple human rights organizations and NGOs, and people around the world if she were a real head of state.

[@audreyharris7643]

Her doing bad stuff doesn't make people liking her surprising People have loved anti heroes and villains for decades

[@asscheeks3212]

Tbf, she and the other princesses aren't even princesses, but literal creators and mothers of their own people who biologically speaking are their own children. They aren't political leaders, just very weird teenaged moms who THINK they know it all and are a permanent state of delusions of granduer because of their eternal lives. Humans would feel fear, Rebel, or assassinate, but these kingdoms aren't human.

[@frimi8593]

Love how you tried to call her a fascist in a definitional sense, explicitly not in a vague authoritarian insult sense, then went on to not do that. To be clear I think PB’s politics in how she handles her kingdom is bad. I think all monarchies are bad. She ain’t a fascist tho

[@frimi8593]

Umberto Eco’s 14 properties of fascist ideology are generally considered a good standard to judge by. 1: cult of tradition Seeing as there was no candy kingdom before her, there’s not much tradition to fall back on. That said, despite nearly every candy citizen probably being centuries old, there is shockingly little appeals to tradition in her characterization. While technically not on herself, i think it’s quite telling that her Fionna and Cake counterpart in the new show is explicitly contrasted against the specifically traditionalist peppermint butler counterpart 2: the rejection of modernism I feel like little argument needs to be made here. She’s like the most modernist character on the show. She’s literally a scientist/engineer/innovator. 3: the cult of action for action’s sake Maybe this could be argued for pb, but what it specifically is meant to refer to is being against the intellectual reflection of one’s actions. As demonstrated in this video, pb tends to try to self-justify and reassure herself that her reasons for doing things are correct. I think this alone means she does not promote action for action’s sake 4: Disagreement is treason I personally can’t think of an instance of this being reflected in the show. Her stance towards magic and wizardry is notable but she doesn’t treat disagreement on it as treasonous. I guess there was the time she arrayed tree trunks’ wedding but I think the idea behind that was literally a personal grudge against king of ooo and tree trunks, and not a matter of ideological treason. Still bad, not fascist tho. 5: fear of difference Generally in reference to xenophobia, racism, or other forms of bigotry. I don’t see much of this in pb at all with the sole exception of wizards, and honestly considering the principle of mms, it’s not unreasonable to distrust wizards in general even if there are many instances of more sane wizards. We even see wizards that are able to function in her kingdom, like her literal right hand peppermint butler, and also huntress wizard that one time on Finn’s birthday. 6: Appeal to a frustrated middle class This is not applicable to adventure time since although there is commerce in the candy kingdom, there really aren’t shown to be economic classes 7: Obsession with a plot In reference to a perceived enemy plot, such as the n*zis (yt doesn’t like that word) treating Jewish people as monolithic conspirators. PB is generally very pragmatic in approach and she pretty much never put out propaganda about an enemy plot among her people until gumbald was raising arms against her, for which I think for the point to count your perceived enemy can’t actually be plotting against you 8: “at the same time strong and too weak” Another in reference to a perceived enemy to the nation, of which there was none until gumbaldia. Gumbaldia was only ever treated as a threat. There was no presentation of them as weak by pb 9: Nation in unending conflict The candy kingdom has existed under pb through centuries worth of peacetime 10: contempt for the weak Many of the candy citizens are literally incapable of surviving out on their own without pb providing for them. The majority of the candy citizens are dependent on her. This is frequently cited as a manipulation tactic of pb, intentionally handicapping her own citizens so they have no other choice but to follow her, but in this instance it’s a point in her favor. She is repeatedly demonstrated to be compassionate towards her civilian citizens despite her authoritarian tendencies. Hell, even the killing of the rattle balls is a point against this, as they were deemed too violent, unlike the banana guards. Essentially she didn’t like them for being “not weak enough” 11: cult of death, or people are made to become self sacrificing hero’s This is the one point I think pb aligns with. I could very easily see Finn argued to embody Eco’s fascist hero for the candy kingdom, ready and willing to throw his life away in an instant for his nation. But considering how this experience is not universal across the citizens of the candy kingdom, and that she basically demonstrates the opposite on some other points, I don’t think this point with Finn alone is sufficient to say she’s a fascist 12: machismo This point is rooted deeply in the sexist tendencies of fascists, including the sexual objectification of women. I don’t think there’s any sexism or sexual abuse of any kind in the candy kingdom. And no I don’t think her “leading Finn on” counts; that’s stupid for multiple reasons I could get into in a reply if contested on 13: Selective populism As a monarch, pb doesn’t really need to demonstrate any populism, let alone the selective kind described by Eco. The only time I can think of that the people’s voice mattered was when they elected the king of ooo at which point pb, though reluctantly, gave up her position as princess 14: Newspeak While it would be funny to point to adventure time’s unique and totally mathematical, algebraic vocabulary as an instance of this, it’s clearly not; the weird slang of Ooo is totally universal and spans cultures

[@audreyharris7643]

@@frimi8593 this is an interesting and informative breakdown

[@ScorpionStrike7]

Black Hat himself said that she’s the real villain. And that dude’s an expert on Villainy. Nobody argues with Black Hat

[@khaliyahjefferson832]

Which audio is it

[@ScorpionStrike7]

@@khaliyahjefferson832 kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqnWYaOKebSngMUsi=j150KFbZTRRcAs_i

[@rosykindbunny1313]

PLEASE TELL ME WHICH EPISODE THIS WAS

[@ScorpionStrike7]

@@rosykindbunny1313look at the link

[@adriannabocian8076]

@@rosykindbunny1313 nemesis

[@clover2660]

PB is a complex character, she has done bad things but eventually attempts to atone for some of them

[@Mary-ho7zx]

Princess bubblegum is seriously dangerous especially when she is not herself. She tried putting Simon and the winter king in a blender, almost changed everyone in oo into candy without a care

[@Athetos_Admech]

I think she is a psychopath because she seems to lack empathy although she still seems capable of sympathy. She might not experience the full range of emotion but she seems capable of understanding it on an intellectual level well enough to recognize it in other people, at least she does when she's not fixated on something else.

[@captainabazor8303]

After seeing the episode of Fionna and Cake titled, "The Star," I conclude that this video is spot on!

[@redjirachi1]

"You can't break the Geneva conventions if Geneva stopped existing a thousand years ago"-Bonnibel Bubblegum *It's not a war crime if no-one's alive to fight a war*-the Lich

[@zemox2534]

PB is the most complex character in AT, next to Simon. As the series progress, you she her gradually changing and seeing the errors of her ways. Yes she has done bad things but as we saw in her origin episode, there is a?reason for her actions. She believes she is doing the right thing but gradually she slowly realises that her actions were corrupt. PB tried to become a better person later on and redeems herself in the end. I think the better term 4 PB is a complex person, not a Psychopath. There are layers to her character and every season we see a new layer.

[@connortg5]

just now realised that princess bubblegum is basically rose quartz except she's still alive by the time of the show. both start out seeming completely innocent, friendly and almost perfect but as the show goes on we learn more about their dark past and their many crimes (pb is basically just all 4 diamonds at once except less evil and more apathetic) but ultimately they get better and have been getting better, even if we almost see their arc in reverse

[@emmuzboosh]

I mean rose yes she became more complicated but she was an absolutely great person, she lead a rebellion because she wanted liberation for gems and because she loved the beauty outside of the dictatorship of the diamond authority. The show imo, just started shitting on her and acting as if she was like omg the worst ever because they needed a reason for Steven to sulk and not come off as a whiny beeotch.

[@deltamachine343]

​@@emmuzboosheven though I love Spinel a lot. I think the movie was just to make Pink Diamond look worse. Like come on, are you seriously telling me the one who can tolerate Pearl wasn't able to tolerate such a cute gem like Spinel? That's just lazy writing in my opinion. I still think Pink Diamond wasn't that bad. Because even though she made mistakes along the way, it isn't as bad as PB did. Definitely White Diamond is so much worse. But we can all agree that characters like this were wasted just because they're misunderstood women. I can understand Spinel's actions (not too much) but forgiving sociopaths, narcissists, dictators, genocides, and tyrants is just something I can't understand. I love these two shows a lot. But I can recognize their flaws.

[@Ben-jl2rh]

Yet Simps on the internet keep saying that she is misunderstood and did nothing wrong.....

[@thRealBochyboy]

I need to see an entire series of judging characters from kids things, like diary of a wimpy kid and this

[@Steven-th6yd]

Can some of y'all stop infantilizing Marceline? She is a grown woman and can make her own decisions about who she wants to be with. Like seriously who cares if Bubblegum 'deserves' her or not?

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

She's got bad tastes in woman lol.

[@z3rog4mer84]

Marceline deserved better, not some Psychopath with god complex.

[@serena7up175]

For Real

[@nicholasaugello2534]

She's intentionally the opposite of the Ice king. One is seemingly innocent and a great Queen but turns out to be a huge Dictator. Ice king seems like he'd be nothing more than a Lonely old man that has nothing to lose by stealing princesses left and right and even MUTALILATING THEM AND COMBINING THE SOME OF THERE PARTS. But we later learn Ice wasn't always the ice king and was once a normal man but became a horrible person because of his cursed crown someone who literally forgot what he used to be. It's tragic. Something i forgot to mention about princess Bubblegum is that literally her introduction is her trying to revive the dead.. if that isn't a red flag for the type of person we would end up learning she is then this is just fucking crazy

[@aoihitori]

Damn, finally someone said it. I remember I got arguement before to my friends just because I said that PB is selfish, controlling, and tyrannical girlboss. If people hate that Alchemist in FMA Shou Tucker who turned his Daughter and her Dog into a Chimera, PB is no different from that.

[@yoxd8407]

True

[@Web_2567]

Pb does nothing for Finn and still collects his money as “tax” while HE’S basically the whole candy kingdom’s military

[@spacepimpkevin1184]

Princess Bubblegum is very intelligent and crafty. When you make someone like that a leader of an entire nation they are connected to and one that they feel responsible for: You get someone who is willing to do anything regardless of moral obligation to secure their kingdom's safety.

[@reversenoobz1]

The messed up thing is how she called Marcy "monster trash" and they still got back together.

[@deltamachine343]

If I was her I wouldn't even befriend her again. Definitely someone who doesn't deserve Marceline.

[@reversenoobz1]

@@deltamachine343 Right? Loke if calling a vampire "monster trash" ain't some kind of slur, then idk what is.

[@villainkaiju]

​@@deltamachine343THIS OMG i swear i can tell the "being back together again" felt a lil bit forced imo.

[@serena7up175]

​@@villainkaijuit was Because of Rebecca Sugar and Mostly Marceline's VA.

[@Aon-1z]

Honestly, Even if i haven't watched adventure time in a long time, Princess Bubblegun reminds me of Makima. For those who don't know Makima, She's the main antagonist of The anime Chainsaw Man. She acts all innocent and stuff but sees some people as pets just because of how intresting they are. Shes also the most powerful person in chainsaw man so yeah.

[@liamdenise246]

that's why I hate how in later seasons and by the end, Finn got shafted so much he didn't get a special sword( I miss when he had that awesome blood sword), his hero nature got toned down so we saw him less and less doing actual hero stuff or badass shit, became a pacifist, and didn't even get a gf, not even in future appearances. But he was still a very good person, and often showed himself to be one of the most morally good people, making others want to be like him in how they did things. Meanwhile PB got more and more messed up, unlikeable, selfish and tyrannical, treating Finn like her personal thug to do whatever she wanted, yet she gets praised and liked by everyone in adventure time, gets together with marceline and has a big happy ending where everything goes her way. Like she does all that stuff the video mentioned, and then some, yet everyone never calls her out on it bar flame princess once, and then at the end everyone loves her and she doesn't change at all, she just doubles down on it. Like how she can't fathom that maybe the citizens would like someone they want making decisions or themselves running some things, or that attempting to murder the entire rattleballs she created and who were the best defense and disciplined force she could want would make rattleballs want nothing to do with her. And she never learns or has to, there's never a bit where she has to confront herself, or Finn for example losing his respect and pedestal he put on her after seeing and learning what she did and calling her as bad as the monsters he has to fight, or Jake mocking how she expects Finn to always do her dirty work yet never even bothers to hang out with him if she doesn't need something. Finn lost his home even, meanwhile PB got everything and kept her fancy palace. Finn gets no gf, PB gets Marceline despite how shitty she is. Finn loses a arm ,his grass arm and his prosthetic arm, PB is untouched. Finn loses his sword. Finn finds no new purpose in life or continuing as a hero like he wants, he just becomes a lazy dude.

[@deltamachine343]

Writers just made aside the good characters because they want their lesbian girl to be happy. Seems like they forgot Finn was the main character.

[@audreyharris7643]

I personally think Finn retired and relaxed from adventuring

[@audreyharris7643]

@@deltamachine343 finn and Jake where the main focus characters but pb was also a main character just a reoccurring one

[@jp9480]

@@deltamachine343can’t tell if ur kidding or just being dumb

[@Joseph_Drew_III]

It’s insane how none of you have ever heard of a redemption arc

[@Purpl3GrayyCommonW]

You have no idea how much I appreciate that hxh joke

[@callmesenpaidesu1506]

I hate that everyones story is getting flushed out yet Fins final girl will never be known.

[@datboi5913]

She is a PROFESSIONAL gaslighter dude the way she fucked with Finn dude honestly was so scuffed

[@umar56838]

In the adventure time encyclopedia book, hunson abadeer mentions how princess bubblegum is not what she seems and the messed up stuff she does.

[@deltamachine343]

Like hell he was right.

[@jamesm6083]

PB had god awful judgement for someone who was supposed to be more emotionally mature than finn, she has so many moments of manipulating people across the show, usually for something stupid or to please her ego

[@serena7up175]

This is why Marceline deserve better and yes,I Know Marceline did Bad things as well but At least Marceline feel Bad of She's done unlike PB. Marceline was the one,Who became an Better person.

[@YeetSpace]

Wild that people try to argue that PB isn't truly a monster with just the argument that that was a thing she did in her past. It's still something she did she should be accountable for it was she rarely ever tries to be for every single problem she causes by butting into situation she's not supposed to be in

[@artsenalproductions4813]

She then falls in lust with a vampire girl, that might be her being in psychopath terminal stages.

[@serena7up175]

Marceline Deserve better

[@chilloutokay]

Let’s also talk about how a lot of season 1, Finn was a victim lmao. I remember always hating Tree Trunks when I was younger because she was so creepy - I still view her as a predator towards Finn.

[@Scarshadow666]

As bad as Princess Bubblegum has been, hearing the voice actress for Starfire coming through PB is takes me out lol. XD The juxtaposition of the characters alone is funny to me (both superpowered princesses, except one's a superhero that gives up her crown and the other is a tyrannical ruler). XD

[@chillby2890]

Let's not forget the literal first episode was her basically committing a war crime lmao

[@jjewell2076]

She may not be a psychopath, but she’s definitely a Machiavellian

[@peleanimationcomics3263]

7:42-that actually scared me just enough to where I broke my toilet paper roll holder…it’s screwed in…think about that…

[@3bodYking99]

8:10 it wasn't because she was thinking they were a threat, she ignored tree trunks because tree trunks acts like an insane old lady all the time, and she doesn't understand what babies she is talking about in the first place. When she saw what tree trunks was talking about, she shuts them off instantly.