principal concerns rock and roll

[@tommyt1971]

"Stravinsky was the music of the Russian Revolution if you wanna talk about a breakdown in discipline." I LOVE that line. Music has been rebellious for 1000s of yrs. Slave work songs sung in the Southern states were a way to communicate without their masters knowing the messages they were sending.

[@erinjohnson1124]

This comment right here. Exactly. That argument was brilliant. And the vice principal just resented his ass for 30 more years! Asshole couldn’t wait to cut the music program!

[@Steveman27]

@@erinjohnson1124 Maybe it was because Mr. Holland kept that Chevy Corvair for all those years. Walters didn't seem to like that type of car.

[@smoothALOE]

I was just watching another movie recently where the teacher said that when Stravinsky was conducting his first symphony, eggs were thrown at him. That music truly was revolutionary in its own right. At the time, people hadn’t heard anything quite like it.

[@petersuozzo1227]

Yes. One of the memorable lines in the entire movie, if not the most memorable.

[@thewomboking1341]

"Have you been to any football games? We feel there's something missing" "Touchdowns" LOL, that would be my sarcastic answer

[@smoothALOE]

This scene perfectly illustrates the difference between the current principal and the future principal and why one was so much greater at her job than the other one. I love the Freudian Slip when he says “what I am suggesting,” haha! Clearly, he was all alone on that one.

[@marcelmiller7551]

RIP Olympia Dukakis

[@califinn]

That principle was amazing. Always wrangling teachers and parents' concerns and being a pretty straightforward no nonsense, yet open, person. "Touchdowns." lol

[@randysheckler763]

It really takes a special person to be a good principal. Ours is one of my heros.

[@stphinkle]

I think Mr Holland did it right. If the kids like Rock and Roll and so many listen to it in the class, it must be OK. And each person has their own preferences in the kind of music they like. I agree that using many types of music will help a student learn to love music.

[@JavierGonzalez-lp3ke]

Recognizing from Mrs. Jacobs that the examples he is choosing in a high school music class are being reported and discussed in students' lives brings up the very essence of what being fair and "righteous" and open to all preferences and ways to convey learning, Mr. Holland delivered the right response perfectly. It's the very same conversation that takes place in almost any classroom these days about curriculum and such---just a different generation of young people learning about "different" topics

[@Blazingstoke]

One thing that fascinates me with this scene is that Olympia Dukakis' role was a late addition to the movie; earlier drafts had Gene Walters be the principal throughout the entire film. You can tell by the distribution of dialogue in this scene that it was originally written for just the two men, and that the dialogue was split after the fact so that Walters keeps the more confrontational lines, and Jacobs gets the more reasonable lines.

[@rogergarrison4271]

That makes sense. If Walter's was principal he'd have gotten rid of Mr Holland that first time budget concerns came up.

[@scottdecker9115]

@@rogergarrison4271 An ironically, he eventually does later on in the film.

[@rogergarrison4271]

@@scottdecker9115 yeah I remember that too

[@PatrickJ12334]

Didn't Wolters leave to be superintendent elsewhere in another draft?

[@mena94x3]

I think it came off as highly natural and believable personalities and interactions.

[@tomcollett1893]

If all those old people who said that rock and roll was work of the devil back in those days were still alive here in the 2020s and they heard songs like "WAP" and "ABCDEFU", they would have suffered a fatal heart attack, I'm sure!

[@drummer8594]

Mr. Holland owns Mr. Wolters yet again. One had an open mind, and one was completely closed minded, and could not stand anyone who would challenge the status quo. Mr. Wolters is your stereotypical ISTJ; follows and enforces rules without using any common sense, or creative thought.

[@LesHaskell]

William H. Macy plays his role of "total douchebag of the time" so perfectly.

[@LGKids]

What I’m am, what we are saying….dude changed on a dime! Smh!

[@ChristopherCudworth]

I substitute teach. Mr. Holland symbolizes the resistance to the last fifty years of conservative intrusion on education.

[@fredleinweber2819]

I am teacher, public education has only been intruded by the far left and has been more liberal leaning for a good while now. I flat out said NO to teaching radical LGBT, gender identity BS and the normalization of trans weirdos. Our district collectively hates our new "equity" liaison who believes the district should have more black and brown teachers because she believes one's race is basically the most important quality. A woman who was hired because of the false racial narrative being pushed ever since Fentanyl Floyd overdosed. We NEED a more conservative based system badly.

[@Rushyesgenesis]

How about Sing Along With Mitch 😂😂😂😂

[@FoulWeatherFriend385]

The principal clearly couldn’t stand the vice principal, but she had to treat them both fair. That’s how it’s supposed to be done if you’re a supervisor.

[@anonymous72198]

Our principal has such a poker face I can never tell who she likes and who she doesn't. Including me. But she did hire me on from a lowly custodian to a slightly less lowly teacher when I finally managed to get my certificate, and she often comes to me when she's in bind. So I guess she thinks I'm alright. I could never do what she does. I'd quit after the first month!

[@AppleGS]

Speaking of Stravinsky, a riot broke out at the first performance of The Rite of Spring

[@siberiantiger4679]

As a metal head, I'm offended

[@tommyt1971]

Don't be, the principal handled this VERY well. She respected Holland's opinion, even if her assistant principal didn't.

[@RogetAPrice]

I totally agree.

[@StormyAdler]

One of the most underrated scenes in cinema.

[@KrystalHarwood-z1b]

almost like sister act and their choice of music

[@Angie_bae]

What boring teachers and principals my grandparents prolly had

[@danieljohnson2005]

Yeah, but the education system in America was 10x what it is today. We used to lead the world in education, and now we’re near the bottom. I’ll take those stuffy teachers any day because at least they knew what they were doing.