Prismatic Warlock PvP First Impression

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[@SusanEd]

"Empowering rift and blink at the same time is incredible for breaking ankles" lmfao I gotta see this in action!

[@vicknasty]

this is a bot account

[@AutistiCat2406]

Pretty sure he misspoke and meant to say phoenix dive

[@stephen9815]

I've been running Winters Wrath with blink. Its terrifying being able to travel fast as a Shadebinder!

[@themediocrethor]

Your Hawkmoon shots were unreal. It’s like the new health pools just made you stronger.

[@HawkmoonaMatata]

Any class with the ability to have two coldsnaps, three lightning surges, full health on every kill, which also gives 20% grenade energy, blink, healing air dive, and that's STILL not even all, is undeniably the war crime class. Nobody should have this kind of power.

[@tensedart3470]

Funny how people think lighting surge is crap cause Melee desynce sucks

[@fotis3v480]

Prismatic in pvp is a mistake and it simply limits it in pve. Abilities have no place in pvp, they are designed for pve grenades have literal aim assist in this game for fk sake 😂.

[@VAVORiAL]

Overrated. Solar Lock on top

[@majora919]

​@@tensedart3470it does less damage on prismatic than on storm caller for some reason

[@majora919]

​@@fotis3v480yet we have stuff like tripmines, smoke grenades ect. Which were clearly made for pvp

[@slfextraordinaire2216]

11:11 you didn’t have to do it to him like that. Man had a family

[@jt10x77]

bro did a blink-182

[@AWSslix]

@@jt10x77 haha

[@chilli2801]

This is some of the best gameplay I’ve seen this year cammy, really fricking awesome

[@kalicula7718]

The only thing stormcaller has over the prismatic is the ability to loop arc souls with getaway using the aspect, and lighting surge seems to do more damage on normal stormcaller add in spark of instinct and it becomes very consistent on even almost full HP guardians. It's also quite good with the arc soul aspect combined with spark of recharge if you want to spam 100 resilience stag rifts every round in trials.

[@VAVORiAL]

I feel like none of the arc classes have any relevancy, they're all terrible in comparison to prismatic. They gotta do something about it

[@ForeverLaxx]

@@VAVORiAL This is the real problem. As it currently stands, the "Prismatic version" of the Arc subclasses outclasses them. Hunter can get higher damage with their Melee > Dodge loop while having in-built invisibility to free up an Exotic choice on top of a stronger Grenade option, Warlock gets three Surges baseline plus anything else you want to improve via Grenade/Super options, and Titan... well, we don't need to talk about the Arc Titan's various problems.

[@decoydecoy2255]

​@@VAVORiALuntil Knockout is on the prismatic class, Arc titans will still be strong enough to hang.

[@aaronduran3506]

@@decoydecoy2255 Knockout is on Prismatic Titan (and is a part of the starting kit)

[@VAVORiAL]

@@decoydecoy2255 This makes no sense

[@mohbius2]

Excited for what you see in prismatic titan. it feels like old school speedy behemoth but with knockout and a suspend barricade to punish people rushing

[@kyanmatena3948]

so its not speedy behemoth..?

[@mohbius2]

@@kyanmatena3948 it’s got shiver strike which was buffed to be faster again, and with knockout you can get amplified, use dunemarchers for the long slide

[@Manstrual]

God no ​@@kyanmatena3948

[@KingTitos]

returning to the game and i love watching your vids breaking down your game knowledge and builds. definitely helps me to get better. cheers

[@ryanstiehl4247]

Shattering someone frozen by prenumbral should count as an ability kill for Feed the Void. That was one of the things they highlighted for prismatic warlocks in the initial prismatic vidocs and it’s very nice. Not an auto-pick with your set up, but wanted to mention that interaction

[@Red_AIert]

Cam, each class got two new stasis fragments that are free and can be picked up on Europa. Just fyi if you didn’t know. Thanks for the video. 💠

[@viktorerickson6856]

I did not know this personally. Is it for people who didn't purchase Final shape as well or has Bungie pay-walled yet another aspect of the game?

[@alizado4011]

@@viktorerickson6856 should be free since they made stasis and the beyond light campaign free iirc

[@sharktrap267]

@@viktorerickson6856free for everyone i believe

[@progenitor_amborella]

My main was already Astrocyte, having blink with many more supers made me feel like I’m never taking it off (did the entire campaign and some of the raid with it on). Definitely love Dive with Hellion and Blink. Winter’s Wrath with Blink is interesting, it feels much different since you can’t float, but once you get used to it you can pull off some funnies.

[@safalshrestha1000]

those stasis turrets locked down parts of the map so damn well and the blink movement jesus

[@TheSpeverendRooner]

Can confirm Spirit of Filaments/Claws is strong. Additionally, if you run Facet of Hope with Secants, your rift cooldown is significantly shorter due to devour being activated 👍 Spirit of Claws enables you to run Penumbral Blast and Lightning Surge instead of Arcane Needle.

[@TylerDoorn]

Got into a game with you last night so that’s my highlight of the week

[@elmoandicecube6779]

I was playing comp and decided to mess around w it and there is insane movement potential. 3 chargers of electrostatic surge, blink and phoenix dive. Not to mention stasis turrets/jolt storm grenade

[@seaturtleninjagaming4602]

The access to most of the warlock movement options is what makes Prismatic cool to me. Blinking, diving, surging, if only it had icarus dash. I can just see the playmaking potential, especially with the class item and all the options it offers. I like the idea of having every single buddie in pve too. Don't even wanna play the game, I'm playing feed my tomodachi😤 That's a really cool interaction with hellion and blink! Good to know, definitely a cool niche prismatic can have. Dedicated subclasses may be more overall consistent, but i wanna see that osmio into blink-dive-slide to wipe half a team, devour heal through teamshots, and then do it again. First person to land that i will give actual money to.

[@BirdMoose]

I think the one thing Stormcaller still brings to the table is arc soul on 6s. If I'm trying to win Iron Banner games as a solo player, being able to give me teamates arc buddies to help them win their fights, or at least put out damage so the enemy is easier to clean up. But in 3s I don't see much of a point.

[@mrchun4018]

Strand Warlock with Broodweaver + weavewalk with 100 str + eye of another world is easily one of the best pvp builds i’ve ever used

[@JboJackson]

Great vid, question on something unrelated. What do you think of old unsunset meta weapons in pvp making a comeback? (Not forgotten, Felwinter, Revoker) think we will see them make a comeback possibly take over?

[@ladalegend5321]

I’m pretty sure it procks in pvp I haven’t been on enough recently to remember tho Edit: Your also the second person to mention the blink fire soul so far gonna try it out next time I’m on

[@Ilovefetacheese211]

I love using stormcaller! Mainly because I don’t own final shape

[@twocontollersonebrain9071]

Supposedly Osmiomancy on a the class item gives grenade energy with every grenade it’s just the cold snap that gets the extra benefits listed after

[@z--r0]

I've been running Prismatic Hunter with blink, Bakris, slow dodge, specter, as well as smoke bomb to confuse opponents as much as possible. Blink + Bakris allows for escape from pretty much anywhere, especially with blink partially conserving light shift's momentum.

[@ForeverLaxx]

For me it's either Bakris or the class item with Ophidian + Coyote. I can't decide which ends up working better for misdirection.

[@DevinHandleyy]

@@ForeverLaxxhonestly for pub stomp bakris. For high level lobby? Ophid coyote. Most high level players bakris won’t confuse that much and the extra from ophid is worth

[@ChrisCobraEliteTM.]

I'll eventually have to do the campaign again on my warlock and titan. Right now just trying to get khvostov on my hunter and everything else. Prismatic is cool to mix and match things, but I find myself using my old builds more!

[@hashi95]

I want to see your opinion on hunter, im curious

[@majorqueue1676]

Osmiomancy also recharges grenades on hit a la Contraverse, making it a strong pick for a general grenade build. I haven't tested it in PvP to see how much you get back off of a guardian, though.

[@kreive4719]

It's likely to grant the same amount as Osmiomancy normally does with Coldsnaps, 7% in PvP

[@majorqueue1676]

@@kreive4719 That's a fair assumption. The main reason it's a question for me is because it now works on other Prismatic grenade types (i.e., vortex and storm), and those have a different hit count/registration than coldsnap.

[@Thund3rstone]

Just played first time with the healing turret. This is like restoration meta and one-eyed-mask in one go.

[@twocontollersonebrain9071]

Arc warlock’s arc souls being able to be shared with team mates is what makes it technically “above” the other ones 6 people in a raid all with a arc soul even if they only get it once is a substantial amount of completely free damage and especially ad clear, 3 people with arc souls can ad clear most rooms with very little use or special or heavy ammo besides champions, and using them while amplified is worded strangely it doesn’t increase its fire rate it makes it actually gain more shots per burst along with a slight increase to fire rate

[@JohnnyLocke]

Nasty gameplay

[@blakebigler8337]

Idk if it was a light difference because i didnt check but i took out a player in well by lightning surging in and chaperone headshot and then roadborn the others in it. So thats a way i guess lol

[@lord_of_flames7861]

Don’t the shatters from abilities count as ability kills? Feed the void works for me in pve with shatter kills.

[@thebeamhero]

Cammy is there any good ways of dealing with all the people net limiting in PVP?

[@AutistiCat2406]

My current favorite build is eye of another world with 10 discipline, strength, and recov, and I still get 7 resil :3 Sadly my intellect is like 2 in exchange but it's so fun to spam

[@ITheNameless]

You should try to get a Filaments + Claw for your build. I got Filaments + Harmony which gets me my Winter's wrath charged at least 20% faster, and since I play like a rabid dog with a glaive I use threadling grenades and weaver's call + hellion to play as aggressive as possible so that I can take at least one since I'm gonna die 6/10 times.

[@shen2602]

you can one clip the well sword with khovostov

[@jimajijima7160]

you cant freeze Storms Edge Hunters, i tried for 5 hours and the best thing i could do was encase them and they still use their other super charges

[@TylorHuebner]

If Prismatic had magnetic grenade it would instantly replace my current blink warlock. Maybe there is something in there that can do it's job but being able to 1 head with a 140 HC and throw a weakening magnetic grenade to instantly remove that guy from the fight (while triggering devour) is just so valuable.

[@8bitpothead]

I'm so confused, how are you getting special ammo transmat?

[@caeddavis1371]

I do think arc warlock has been secluded to pve only. I have a wild build that allows for near constant chaos reach but that requires easy kills for ionic traces. In pvp there’s basically zilch, storm trance used to be peak but no longer 😔

[@TheEracode]

osmeomancy on the exotic class item improves all grenades not just coldsnap

[@awesomefuzz4008]

By 'improves' it means it gives energy back on hit, nothing else. Coldsnaps get the full host of buffs, but other grenades just get a bit of a refund.

[@ashens0ul]

Bleak watcher on prismatic doesn't have a set cooldown so it's best to use healing grenade with it if you only want to use your grenade for bleak watcher.

[@kalicula7718]

No it does, it just doesn't mention in the the tool tip.

[@ashens0ul]

​@@kalicula7718 Decided to test it and I guess you're right. On the Destiny data compendium it says grenade cooldown isn't altered and I assumed they tested it.

[@glowiboi]

dont all supers have same cooldown in PvP now?

[@noonenormal]

Freeze doesn't stop the hunter arc super. I hit one with a penumbral blast and they still were able to teleport away and kill my teammate before coming back for me

[@rhyshuber9981]

Probably bc it’s like quiver where you have to re cast it to do the second and third teleportations and that can be used to break out of stasis instantly

[@TylorHuebner]

Been using arc warlock pretty much since the rework in PvP and yeah... PvP wise it just doesn't have a place. And honestly good riddance maybe if it gets bad enough they can rework it a bit to have more than one tool. Prismatic took the only thing arc warlock had going for it and did it better by being able to proc devour off an electric slide. PvE wise.... Idk you can do the ability spam build with the Statue of Liberty helm still but idk why you would.

[@letthatsinkin4913]

woaw cool

[@Sabre5106]

thought you were having a stroke at the top of the description

[@BarderBetterFasterStronger]

I haven't actually peeled through the channel, but have you actually ran much Weavewalk? Giving up your melee, an aspect slot, and thankfully no longer a fragment slot for invulnerability except to the most prevalent shotgun in the game and any stasis is... like kinda niche.

[@rakantdarrath4264]

Out of curiosity Cam, why did you never transcend?

[@unstabl-3]

I’ve successfully Used this with lightning strike after freezing then teleport up and phoenix dove with threadlings and took out 3 ppl not good in a room though lol just have to skip the teleport

[@ret155]

1 in a well vs 2 decent shots can definitely burst down the well guy at the cost of a trade

[@padawanjon6441]

The only reason to ever run stormcaller is if you want to mess around and give your team arc souls

[@SpartanWax]

Cammy saying prism and not prismatic is such a thing omg

[@ShaoShaoMienshao]

He's trying to be ahead of the curve, on the cutting edge, calling it Prism before it was cool 😅 He's a busy man, ain't got no time for unnecessary syllables 😂

[@ForeverLaxx]

While also being unsure if he pronounced "Hellion" correctly. Sometimes I forget just how little reading and socializing people get these days when everything is handed to them in single-sentence, buzzword soundbytes.

[@CleopatraKing]

Hows it supposed to be pronounced ​@@ForeverLaxxmy brain goes to He Leon like helios

[@Sorrowplays.]

@@ForeverLaxx bro found a way to make this about reality. you're watching a gaming yt video

[@ForeverLaxx]

@@Sorrowplays. Maybe leave TikTok for places other than KZbin once in awhile.

[@jibjab839]

You are a god

[@boredtolife7879]

alright calm down

[@n4n196]

I would be running prism surplus build... if they fixed the shadow lords in the crucible and sent them from wence they came.

[@zaspyen]

Stormcaller allows you to extend Arc Souls with your rift…. That’s it.. that’s what it brings to the table. 😂

[@zaspyen]

Oh and Spark of Haste I guess…

[@awesomefuzz4008]

To be fair, the fragments are nuts for ability regen. Notably, the one that gives ability energy while on critical health is surprisingly good even before the buff it got (still remaining active until shields are full), Ionic Traces put in work, Flashbang grenades are great and have a very short cooldown, and giving arc souls to your entire team is pretty good too. Does it hold up in Trials? Maybe? I don't think it beats Speaker's Sight, but it's certaintly not terrible.

[@aerophile8372]

this the type of people i get put up against while im just an average guardian

[@resentfusion5634]

Thanks for the video glhf also if i run into people spamming still hunt speakers i might have to shelf pvp for later in the season (or episode rather)

[@butternubbs125]

They sold with no iccy dash

[@spoiler1828]

its funny that shadebinder has the stop bs kit but most players consider shadebinder itself to be bs

[@rhyshuber9981]

It’s just the melee that’s stupid cheesy

[@cavemanprdr3235]

Prismatic just killed all 3 arc subclasses

[@kurikiarizeth2990]

Let me kindly offer this instead as the nickname for Prismatic Warlock: PrizLock

[@endyru1926]

I think ALL arc classes are whatever now that prismatic is here.

[@dankerbell]

at least from a pve perspective it never felt like there was any reason to run arc warlock, it's always felt bad, both supers are mid and relying on that one ugly spiky helmet for a build isn't very fun. at least arc titan had the hoil nade build when it first came out

[@Szn217]

Behemoth got destroyed

[@vegitohaze2081]

Astrocyte was about the only thing I could think of to use for pvp lmao. But, Speakers helm is actually really gross for trials. It makes you an absolute rat but its pretty strong.

[@blackstreak02]

Hows your loadout like? The healing AR?

[@Piekace]

Stormcaller is just beacons and/or vesper spam in pve. Thats it

[@xanthacanthus]

stormcaller brings nothing beyond dedicated arc fragments and the fallen sunstar to the table in current state, but that's pve. I think it genuinely has no use in pvp now.

[@noelbedard8252]

regarding Stormcaller, there were some surprisingly good PVE builds where you could get a geomag-boosted Chaos Reach every DPS phase and constantly loop abilities, but in terms of ability spam viability Prismatic definitely absorbed it. it's always felt "just ok" in pvp and now that prism is out, the most it can do is give your whole team arc souls (which comes in clutch sometimes, shoutout to the people still running stormcaller I always appreciate the free arc buddy) but it brings nothing else to the table

[@63antrod]

ive stopped the arc super 1 out of 8 times and ima tell u right now , nobodys gonna be able to do it, im literally the ice king and i can barely do it

[@gokkiyoutube]

Stormcaller (the tickle fingers) makes LOADS of orbs in PVE, i was crapping out so many.

[@decoydecoy2255]

You didn't mention it in the video but does transcendence really mean nothing? With all the extra ability spam available to you as well as blink the class would exceed the likes of shadebinder or voidwalker. I don't own final shape (don't plan to either) so I don't know how transcendent feels in game

[@tenacity25]

Prismatic just destroyed arc 3.0 tbh. Because all of the arc 3.0 subclasses felt scuffed in their implementation, and everything they were good at was just put on prismatic. Like, arcstrider hunter for example. Combination blow, Liar's Handshake, and Blink are all here - which means you have the optimal PvE build and the option of blink if you like it, and now you can run it with perks that synergize better? There's so many decisions with arc 3.0 that were made that really feel awkward or like they don't make sense. Like to use arcstrider as an example again, as I'm a hunter main so I feel more confident using my own class as an example, I don't understand why they didnt make Tempest Strike a melee ability and Combination Blow into an aspect. That way they'd synergize together so that tempest wasn't useless in pve, and it'd be infinitely easier to balance in addition to providing a plethora of layers of far more interesting buildmaking potential. And it'd be a much better feeling class in pvp too, with the old pure neutral power fantasy of bottom tree not being effectively relegated to only existing while amplified. (This would also be a world where arcstrider didn't feel more like a titan in pve than titans do at this point..) It's really sad that it feels like void, solar, strand, and even at this point stasis are mostly fine with a few specific exceptions that are a bit too weak or too strong (if not outright bugged), but arc feels like it needs put back in the oven for a 4.0 update for all 3 subclasses, titans feeling the best of the three but still just kind of being invalidated by prismatic's existence at this point. Especially as someone that loves the power fantasy of the old 2.0 bottom tree arcstrider, as well as bladedancer, but is stuck with the awkwardness of 3.0 arcstrider.

[@benakinnusi2518]

Okay so its not just me, arc is just getting absolutely bullied in this meta!! Im a bottom tree striker titan main, and ive been using that same class since before arc 3.0 came out. Not sure if you remember this perk for bottom tree striker called frontal assault, it maxed out weapon stability and increased damage for like 7 seconds if you land a charged melee, but bungie removed it in their 50th striker titan nerf a long time ago. In this busted sandbox of damage boosts and prismatic nonsense that old perk definitely belongs here. It really does feel like arc is just the weakest subclass period, especially in pvp. I feel like the arc kit is simply being powercrept by everything else. Cant remember which pvp youtuber said it, but they pretty much said in todays sandbox you have to play at your best performance in order to really make arc shine, while other subclasses just fill the skill gap with ability cheese. People like to call arc titan busted but there are so much stronger options nowadays. Everything you feel about bottom tree arcstrider, i feel as strongly regarding bottom tree striker. 🤞🏾 i feel your pain as a fellow arc main. I never play hunter, but I always say if i do I’m hopping on arcstrider fasho

[@tenacity25]

@@benakinnusi2518 Arc titan was busted when arc 3.0 first launched but they've since nerfed it appropriately, and it leaves all the awkwardness and very poor implementation that arc 3.0 was compared to the other light subclasses holding it back compared to the stronger options titan, hunter, and warlock all have access to now.

[@HerFather]

I’ve always disliked the super tier system.

[@YYuuf]

Say what you want about warlock, you're all hunters anyway

[@cantuti1]

go and fight stop hugging walls

[@chihiro_0911]

5 views in 1 minute drutorr fell off

[@MrTimeattacker]

Arc in just general is obsolete for both pvp and pve

[@spy-v-spy1848]

It is fun but I said before final shape & I am saying now prismatic just as pretty much all the class items try to do too many things. where as the other classes allow you to focus efforts. Jack of all trades master of none. it is great for solo players in PvE because of that, but then Bungie went & locked subclass specific exotics behind casual play...not crying as of yet I have yet to see a class item worth LFGing, or farming for.

[@pacotang4403]

some boring gameplay

[@xxivcult]

Me waiting on the moment that Cammy was going to use the pink powers, so I would know and understand key moments to pop it 🥲

[@cammycakesgaming]

i save transcend for refilling my melee or anti well.

[@xxivcult]

@@cammycakesgaming ohhhhhh

[@shaolinrasta2289]

"Empowering rift and blink at the same time is incredible for breaking ankles" lmfao I gotta see this in action!