Pro Choice Student Debates Christian Abolitionist

[@44ARISEandSHINE44]

"You backed me into a corner" is code for: "You pointed out my hypocrisy, contradictions and my total lack of logic so I didn't know what to say".

[@ericomfg]

Totally wrecked her...

[@renesingh999]

Well said

[@PVAPlayy]

"You backed me into a corner" That's the problem with indefensible arguments -- reality always shines through. You shouldn't warp reality to fit your insane ideology; that's what makes you a terrible human being.

[@ThatGalShyfly]

She makes it seem like he did something wrong in their voluntary engagement that she was free to leave at any time.

[@Tredenix]

If she doesn't like being in a corner, perhaps she should build the walls of her argument into one.

[@bryanpatterson1405]

According to law if a death row inmate is pregnant she CANNOT be executed because of the innocent life that she is carrying inside her

[@charlessynowiec3876]

same way u get double homi if you off a pregnant woman

[@korkalita]

watched raising hope n learned this 🤫

[@Noah-yc3ns]

Wow! I was pro choice a minute ago, but now you're telling me the Law says something different 🤯🤯🤯 I should just get my morals from whatever laws are on the books right now if that's the case

[@charlessynowiec3876]

@@Noah-yc3ns this is ridiculous. 1) everyone knows the fetus is a human/baby that’s why u, everyone else and the law agreed that a pregnant woman getting deleted counts as two bodies 2) u don’t need a law to tell u m*rder is illegal and immoral. that was easily the lowest iq comment on youtube 👎🏾💩

[@andrewkerr5797]

​@@Noah-yc3nsBring forth an argument.

[@sweatt4237]

Mother of 9: "Birth is a beautiful experience." Childless 20 year old lesbian: "Birth is a traumatic experience."

[@littlem332]

Dang… so true.

[@charlessynowiec3876]

snd the best part is, she probably won’t ever get pregnant 😂

[@korkalita]

@@charlessynowiec3876who would impregnate that thing dude😭

[@Noah-yc3ns]

​@@charlessynowiec3876and you won't ever not be a virgin 😂

[@charlessynowiec3876]

@@Noah-yc3ns 1) middle school female “diss” 😭 2) been passed that. it’s okay if ur still struggling tho🤷🏾‍♂️at least your names in the bible tho

[@saxgoddess89]

"You can't speak to the trauma that is carrying a baby." Oh, and she can? I've carried 4 babies (3 on earth, 1 in heaven) - I am not traumatized, physically or psychologically. Being pregnant was hard, certainly, especially while chasing after toddlers and working full time. But traumatizing? No. It was the time in my life I felt most womanly and beautiful. Creating life is MAGICAL and MIRACULOUS.

[@biffm.2806]

Amen, Sister!

[@sidonioferreira1483]

God bless you and your family 🙏🏼

[@alexanderbowes5854]

This is amazing and I love this. I wish you could speak to all these woman who continually say that “pregnancy is traumatizing” as a psych major I don’t think these people really know what the definition of trauma is.

[@andreanorman4248]

As traumatic as my births were it’s also the biggest blessing and my reason for living. My Children are worth every second of the medical “trauma” Pick the right Dr and team you can have a BEAUTIFUL experience. Makes me so sad to think that some woman see child baring as something negative

[@ThereseM992]

I agree with you. I myself have three children and have never had the thought of having an abortion. my children are both planned and wanted. I myself would only have TERMINATED, not aborted, the pregnancy if I found out that the child in question will not survive and that the pregnancy cannot continue due to complications. if the child is so maldeveloped that it will either die the second it is born, probably too early, or that it would die in the womb, then I think it is okay to end the pregnancy, not abort, which is a completely different matter.

[@CynderPCTech]

Hey Hayden, I’m actually a student where this was filmed at and you were driving everyone crazy. In the college snapchat stories, everybody was saying to avoid the areas where you were. Crazy that people are so unwilling to have a conversation about these things that they believe so much in.

[@anyfriendofkevinbaconisafr177]

It's obvious that these sorts of people do not engage with the world in good faith, we must stop acting as though they are doing so. They must demonstrate respect for others before it is given to them once more.

[@LunchMeatTrump]

Because they just want care-free sex with no consequences. Then they have to make up imaginary scenarios and change the meaning of words to justify their disgusting actions.

[@andresitorocks]

We already know this mindset won’t last in the long term

[@nunyabusiness2945]

lol. They acting like Hayden is pulling them in with some aggressive force? That’s wild. Keep your head down. Don’t out yourself too much or they’ll do the same about you.

[@serenapost8791]

Is this the Grand Valley here in Michigan? Or is there another Grand Valley in another state? Seeing young men like Hayden is a breath of fresh air

[@starlit_hawser11]

She talks about pregnancy like it’s some sort of violent torture.

[@OrangePetal11]

I don’t understand why they all keep repeating this, as if pregnancy is a death sentence by slow torture. She even said that her mom is an OB. I hope she doesn’t tell her patients that their pregnancies are going to “completely destroy their organs.”

[@starlit_hawser11]

@@OrangePetal11 that’s what they’re being indoctrinated with in university by their woke professors. They’re being told that pregnancy is basically a death sentence or at least akin to violent torture for most women.

[@chaosxconfessional]

Her momma doesn’t tell her “I love you.” Very much.

[@technofilejr3401]

Women like this act as though their own biology is a punishment to them. Given that mindset anything that is nature for women is an inconvenience.

[@citizen-v9x]

Right? The traumatic effects of carrying a baby...so funny. We are miraculously made so that we are designed to carry a human. Very sad and warped view of motherhood.

[@CaptainAndy99]

If a father of a child identifies as a mother, then does that mother's choice negate that of the other mother.

[@SpencerDDulaney]

*insert brain explosion meme here*

[@Pixel_Page]

Throw in some more letters in the alphabet and a non binary and you my friend have got a deal.

[@jaredmarcelli2919]

@prowebber1 STDsHIV/AIDS aren’t just letters in an alphabet

[@mickeywhite7878]

I like your thinking!! Great point.

[@mofirminhosadiosalahrobert4904]

what a question , love to see these libs unravel that one

[@starlit_hawser11]

“A masculine presenting person” 😂 You know exactly what you’re dealing with right there.

[@mommak8342]

Such a confused child.

[@KaiMax_23]

I mean, just by seeing this person, you know exactly what you're dealing with. 😂

[@michaelhoudecki3657]

@@mommak8342 oh very confused... holyyyyyyyyy

[@Noah-yc3ns]

She's normal in comparison to you weirdos who would see rape victims jailed for seeking an abortion 😂

[@jkm9332]

The topic of abortion is only complicated and controversial because people must find excuses to justify their evil.

[@aolish]

To be honest, all of us have done that at some point or another. This is especially true with downloading illegal content off the internet. Many of us have downloaded music off the internet at some point or another and many of us have made excuses that it was okay to do because of this reason, or that reason or that the recording industry is rich anyway or that I'm just one person, how does that effect their bottom dollar etc etc. We are no different then this woman, we are all sinners that have fallen short the glory of God and desperately need God's grace.

[@jkm9332]

@@aolish Yes, we are all sinners. We are all guilty of trying to justify our evil at times. And abortion is still evil.

[@sandsmarc]

@@jkm9332Abortion is good, not evil. It is a procedure that allows women to control their destiny, safely and effectively.

[@jkm9332]

@@sandsmarc Slavery is good, not evil. It's a system that allows white plantation owners to control their destiny safely and effectively.

[@jkm9332]

@@sandsmarc In the same way that American chattel slavery was good, not evil. It was a system that allowed white plantation owners to control their destiny (i.e., wealth, farmland, crops, lifestyle), safely and effectively.

[@ellpoyohlokoh]

We seriously need to get this idea that childbirth and pregnancy is an unacceptable trauma out of the common knowledge. It's a fundamental aspect of humanity, this is how reality exists and we need to prepare women in a way that they look forward to it rather than fear it.

[@DemetriForex]

Lol pregnancy is full of negative side effects and I can't think of a single positive side effect. Why would you want to basically manipulate females into looking forward to that? Yes, it's part of the natural life cycle, but it is definitely scary. If a female actually fears pregnancy, it's probably for a reason

[@camdog301]

@@DemetriForexyou are a positive benefit of a women carrying out her pregnancy.

[@thewallsspeaktome3507]

@@DemetriForex You can't think of a single positive effect? How about having a child? The fact that you say 'a female' instead of a woman really shows just how outside of reality your warped mind is

[@ellpoyohlokoh]

@@DemetriForex The child is the positive outcome of pregnancy, it's the creation of new life and the beginning of a family.

[@sandsmarc]

@@ellpoyohlokohOnly if the woman wants to bring a future potential person into actuality and reality. If not, abortion is an excellent available option to control her destiny.

[@CombatWombatQRF]

Man not much of a debate, the lady thinks she can disagree with basic science

[@Headlessthirst]

You’re witnessing Idiocracy and de-evolution

[@Haggis1983]

They identify as person with uterus.

[@crabb9966]

8:15 she also said the mother should be allowed to not breastfeed her dying child. I don't think we can establish any sort of middle ground with her.

[@FedExMeNudes]

I knew the moment I saw the blue short hair that they would disagree with basic stuff.

[@jsh381]

@@crabb9966 that was crazy! Sad 😔

[@donnawatt7124]

Any decent mother would feed her child before themselves 🙄

[@dooshkin8552]

my mom wouldn't she really likes her food 😂

[@tedda6171]

It makes me so sad to see how evil women have become since feminism. We’re now resorting to killing our own babies 😱

[@jaredmarcelli2919]

For equality. She makes me want to get an approximately equal to sign ≈ tattooed on my hand.

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

@@tedda6171 the actual practice of abortion has been around for millinea, tho. It's even referenced in the bible.

[@CharlotteBrooks-zh7zs]

A decent pro choicer would support government help for starving mothers

[@ashmariewaterman9944]

The way she gave up and moved on from trying to find an exact conception date was absolute perfection! 🤣😅😂

[@YZEtc]

That she thought it viable to begin with demonstrated how ignorant she is on the topic. Either that or simply grasping at straws. I already knew in grammar school gestation can vary.🤣

[@nunyabusiness2945]

It was such a silly point. The only reason we know about things like conception dates are because of modern science. Fun fact: you don’t actually conceive the night you had sex. It takes a bit to get there. As far as I understand it’s not conception until you have successful implantation, which is days later. (I could be wrong on that - so don’t come at me hard cuz I won’t debate it.) In any case, we as humans were tracking birth and death dates LOOOONG before we understood the dates and timelines and intricacies of reproduction. 🤷‍♀️ Should we make birthdates conception dates now? Sure. Why not. Does it really matter? lol

[@johnakkman9993]

@@nunyabusiness2945you are correct. You are absolutely correct as well about the implantation being a milestone for successful conception. The reason being is because even when you have a blastocyst formation, it can prematurely break through the zona pellucida and implant in the fallopian tube instead of the endometrium. This is called an ectopic implantation and will result in miscarriage. God bless you for this correct information.

[@Christine-d7t]

The only traumatizing pregnancy I’ve had was the one where I lost my baby. This woman has no idea what she’s talking about. I can’t believe, as a child of an obgyn, she thinks that she can pinpoint the moment of conception by subtracting 9 month from someone’s birthday.

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

why not? It's not an exact method, but the closest you can get, using basic math (I.e. every pregnancy lasts roughly nine months).

[@saxgoddess89]

I’ve been there, mama ❤️ hugs to you!

[@C_R_O_M________]

@@wylierichardson-tu6zsthe point is exactly that "it's not an exact method".

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

@@C_R_O_M________ And what is an 'exact method', in this context? Just curious.

[@C_R_O_M________]

@@wylierichardson-tu6zsthe date of birth is what we use. You should have noticed that. In general, an advice from a man of several decades in existence, things are what they are for deep reasons. Way beyond the shallow thinking of a single individual. Decentralized processes have shaped the world we live in today. More or less. Think twice if you aspire to change things radically. You may inflict more harm than the benefits you are thinking about. There's meaning in much simpler things than changing societies (99.99% for the worse).

[@oldschooltakingyaback]

The pro-choice crowd basically boils down to this: Let me enjoy my sin of fornication in peace & let me terminate the unwanted outcomes of such when it suits my needs.

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

Yet is is pretty much the law of the land, in much of the industrialized world.

[@sandsmarc]

Sin doesn’t exist. It’s a made-up term.

[@oldschooltakingyaback]

@@sandsmarc "Go & sin no more." Did Jesus just "make it up" too?

[@oldschooltakingyaback]

@@sandsmarc Listen, you've got 100+ comments and a Playlist from the atheist experience, I'm going to pray that you find Christ because Dillahunty & his strange sexual fetishes are going to lead you down the wrong path.

[@ab3240]

@@oldschooltakingyaback Yes.

[@emilygurl1234]

As a woman who has been pregnant, it is not a traumatizing experience. Rather, it’s a beautiful and intimate experience feeling my baby kick and rest in my womb.

[@trumpbellend6717]

Lol YOUR personal experience is NOT indicative of the experience of everyone dear 🤭😅

[@danni23462]

Lol yeah you’ve been lucky because I have never heard a single woman in my family or my friends say that- they’re usually pretty destroyed by the whole thing

[@SoccerDoggy]

@@trumpbellend6717no mom is gonna say that having a baby was traumatic

[@trumpbellend6717]

@@SoccerDoggy Lol my own mother said giving birth to me was a traumatic experience ( indeed it almost killed her ) so your assertion can be dismissed.

[@SoccerDoggy]

@@trumpbellend6717 I mean having a baby in the womb is not traumatic

[@laurie1392]

Im a social worker of 27 years. Never understood why people say poor or homeless people cannot get care during pregnancy. Medicaid is a state run program that has food stamps (Bridge card), education programs, low income housing, WIC (Women, Children and infant programs) to provide supportive care and nutrition to pregnant and post birth assistance. There are many pro-life charitable organizations that assist those who want to have the baby and either keep the baby or place for adoption. College can be free based on income levels via scholarships. Free day care and education for children. I never understood why people think there is no assistance for pregnant women. Society needs to stop telling women they should abort due to financial situations or abusive households. There is so much help out there to support women in so many situations.

[@PS-ut5ct]

"Did she plan to get trapped in the cabin?" 🤣😂

[@stanmarsh912]

I would respect them more if they came right out and said that they just want to f*** and not have to be responsible for a kid until they decide that they want to.. because that's what it really is. The more they talk, the more flaws come out in their arguments.

[@El.i]

I think it all boils down to self preservation. Her argument doesn't work because shes arguing that self preservation isnt the reason for abortion. In the storm hypothetical, killing the child isnt self preservation because theres plenty of food, but in real life there isnt always enough food, money, or shelter to support a kid, and sometimes its a mercy to not force a future child into poverty or even being given up.

[@lazerhawks]

Destroys your organs? Women with 2 kids must have figured out how to transcend the physical world I guess. My wife has had some traumatic pregnancies. God said this was going to happen when he described the curse. But at no time did she coldly think "I should kill this kid before they come out." She recognized it's evil and recognized she would have only made herself infinitely more miserable.

[@calebl1919]

Thank you for doing this so often, I have extremely strong feeling about this, I am an abolitionist wholeheartedly, and I love to have this conversation with others, thank you for going into the battlefield!

[@mommak8342]

He has certainly made an abortion abolitionist out of me.

[@sandsmarc]

Your arbitrary feelings should not translate into laws. Abortion is a right. And you will not take it away. A fetus is not a person, and we are lucky to have it as an option.

[@mommak8342]

@@sandsmarc Well you said it right there. Opinion isn’t fact. The fact is you are killing a human being is murder and the murderer should be prosecuted. Your logic is based on feelings.

[@geminiferrall-fotuhetule3187]

​@@mommak8342why is it you care so much about others choices, just because YOU believe that abortion is murder, you want to rip that decision from others?, the fetus is only a few cells in the woman's body, if she wishes to safely remove these cells, it's her choice, I'm not saying every single woman has have an abortion

[@mommak8342]

@@geminiferrall-fotuhetule3187 I care because it’s murder.

[@peakedmalefeminist9782]

These kids today are not taught to think critically; hypotheticals are not meant to be hand waved away by demanding caveats. That is what an uncritical mind does.

[@andresitorocks]

Even though she has no idea what she’s talking about, we should appreciate that she was being respectful the whole time and was willing to take the time to debate

[@Scotty_Spacemonsterkiller]

I agree.

[@Slimpster520]

I wouldn't say respectful, she intentionally ignored the dude and spoke over him for a bit, extremely belittling. Ignoring others is extremely disrespectful.

[@Scotty_Spacemonsterkiller]

@@Slimpster520 "extremely" ?

[@Slimpster520]

@@Scotty_Spacemonsterkiller yes, good question.

[@stephaniemangold4209]

Um.....excuse me ma'am!!!!!! I'm a mother of 2 and I do NOT feel traumatized!!!!! I wasn't a particularly comfortable pregnant person but I was still BLESSED!!!!

[@brendenbeam6050]

“The trauma of mother-hood.” Is a really warped worldview. I appreciate your patience and logical reasoning. unfortunately, for somebody that has completely rejected God, and has decided to become their own God… their worldview is very twisted and sad:(

[@andyman58]

This is what happens when people believe in their own arbitrary laws of right and wrong and not the absolute law of God.

[@mgr2599]

Welcome to America. Absolute pluralism was established in this country and that is the problem. Consider that a satanist and a Christian fight side by side in the U.S. military. What does that mean? Absolute pluralism leads to the destruction of the natural law. This is why the Supreme Court allows “laws,” that go against natural law. We need limited pluralism and a return to natural law, NOT “natural rights.” Locke’s philosophy is a BIG part of the problem. These liberal republics in the west are diabolical. They claim God as they have refused to follow Him.

[@God_And_Gains]

Exactly.

[@sandsmarc]

I have no evidence of any god and I do have evidence that right and wrong is determined by Man as part of the human invention of morality and ethics.

[@andyman58]

@@sandsmarc Aren't you special?

[@sandsmarc]

@@andyman58No, just rational and connected to what IS, rather than clinging to indoctrination because of what I’m afraid of.

[@voicevitality7197]

Blue hair. I know where she stands on the issue.

[@Haggis1983]

You find out near the end that it’s person with uterus.

[@LegendRonk]

Lmao

[@iBoos1]

@@Haggis1983dont spoil the movie. Lol

[@Digitalgems9000]

LOL@@iBoos1

[@olliemartinelli4034]

Instead of focusing on their appearance and dismissing them instantly why not try and listen to the debate? Whether you agree or disagree with the takes she articulates herself well and has valid counter arguments.

[@flyinghorseknuckles]

She came in so confident, upbeat, and ready to go at it... she had no idea how her carefully thought out argument was going to be so readily dismantled before her eyes! No consistency, no scientific evidence, only a repetitive mantra. By mid conversation, she was fumbling for new avenues, stumbling over her words, and had a panicked, defeated demeanor. At least, she was polite. In the beginning, she was ready to go at it... in the end, she was just ready to go.

[@froggacuda1605]

I think this was a good productive discussion. Both were extremely respectful and polite. Sure, Hayden dismantled her arguments and even highlighted her inconsistencies. However, this discussion was actually centered around dialogue and planting seeds, rather than on "winning". Please pray for this young lady

[@TheHappyHousewife89]

The "trauma" of carrying a child to term! Like a woman's body isnt literally made to be able to carry a baby 😂. These people are insane! God Bless you and your Patience Hayden, I could not do what you're doing.

[@anitadavis9712]

She called it a child and a baby consistently.

[@MrMotoShark]

By tracking dates of conception as birthdays, she's acknowledging that life begins at conception 🧐🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️😂

[@1cont]

I love what you are doing, Hayden. God bless your efforts. Here is a bit of free advice. You are very smart and you know your arguments well. People need time to process the truths you are speaking Slow down and allow a bit more space between sentences for truth to sink in. Often you are winning, but you blow past the win to get to your next point Pause for a moment and allow the learning to happen and people will have time to change their minds instead of just playing defense. Keep up the great work.

[@zvas1945]

exactly lollll, he’s spitting facts so fast they can’t comprehend what he’s saying 😭😭

[@cheerfulmouse]

This was someone else's 'problem' with listening to him. I was like, hey, he talks fast. He actually does tend to slow down for people who ask him. But generally starts out as a steady horse. Many people, especially guys can keep up. I think it's wise since many don't have a ton of time between classes

[@ShadowMageYT]

Hayden, my man, I just came across your channel, and I am inspired! You are articulate, and really get into the right issues and the right questions we need to be asking. I just want to encourage you today to keep on fighting the good fight! You are doing an amazing job bro! God Bless!

[@Noah-yc3ns]

Bro he's for jailing rape victims who seek abortions. How is this inspiring

[@Nahnah111]

1:35 "Survival rates were...31.2% of live births at 24 weeks, 41.8% and 59.1% at 25 weeks, 59.6% and 75.3% at 26 weeks" This came from Jama Network 3rd trimester starts at 27 weeks. Also, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology say that "there is no single formally recognized clinical definition of 'viability'"

[@UltraSnacks]

Her answers to the trapped cabin hypothetical were CRAZY! Good grief....

[@SurprisedBluebonnetFlowe-ng4fx]

I know she clearly has never baby sat a new born all new born eat to live is breast milk or formula you can't give a new born baby food good greff

[@chaosxconfessional]

I know these people come back and watch Hayden’s videos after they’ve had this conversation and get to read the comments. May God have mercy on the soul of this woman, I’m praying for her.

[@sandsmarc]

Don’t waste your limited amount of time. Prayer is not effective or productive. There is no evidence of any deity to hear any prayer, and intercessory prayer has been studied and completely debunked. Which is exactly what you would expect.

[@chaosxconfessional]

@@sandsmarcyou’ve clearly never seen what prayer can do. I’ve prayed for many people who have received God’s grace. I myself was a non believer once. I’ll keep praying, for you too 😇

[@sandsmarc]

@@chaosxconfessionalYou are free to keep praying. But it is not productive.

[@chaosxconfessional]

@@sandsmarc for you. Prayer has pulled me out of my hell. I live a much more peaceful life now that I pray and understand that in prayer I am letting go of my feelings, my thoughts, and just allowing myself to know. I have a list of 5 people who I pray for consistently, people I think really need God, people I know. One person on that list has been there since the start, another has been there a while but the others have changed. Sometimes it takes a day, sometimes a week, or a month. It may be never. But I have enough evidence of prayer working in my life that it would actually be counterproductive for me to stop. God blesses me so much, why would I want to turn away from that. You’re free to think you have all the power in your own world, but sometimes I think people like that work an awfully lot harder than they need to to ultimately come to the same conclusion. Just swapping out the self for god. You see, I don’t believe I know anything on my own. I believe I am brought to the truth through God and his love has been written on my heart since before I was born. The life I lived when I was turned away from him, was a life in pure darkness. I was forced to feel my way through and figure it all out on my own. I wasn’t financially successful, I was not parenting properly, I was using substances, I was working for no reason at all other than to have money that my husband would have just gave me anyways had I had the humility to ask. Now that I have a relationship for God, all the answers are there, I don’t have to seek them, they’ve been laid in my lap and my life is so flipping beautiful. Every part of it. The loss, the growth, the ability to forgive and also accept forgiveness. I’m not telling you not to be an atheist or whatever you are. What you’re doing is just continuing to attempt to invalidate my experience for what purpose? To say “na na there is no god”? I actually come here wanting to have a conversation. Because a conversation is what changed my life, and I know it is possible for others to change their lives for the better too. My comments aren’t meant for people who are 100% confident that they are right. I know I won’t change those people. I know I won’t change you. But why come just to be mean? That doesn’t sound like a whole lot of peace to me.

[@ab3240]

@@chaosxconfessionalConfirmation bias

[@kyla593]

When people say "carrying a child is a risk to the life of the mother, therefore she should have the right to abort", why are these same people not arguing against the draft? Is it ok that men can be forced to die in a war they don't believe in and never consented to but a woman can't be forced to give birth if she consented to sex?

[@headoh8558]

Qualified immunity

[@getbuckposse]

BOOM!

[@sandsmarc]

We are. The draft is a violation of the rights of a human person. It should not be allowed. And with abortion there is no human person, so it should be totally allowed and fine.

[@ohsupdom]

​@@sandsmarcBut abortion does involve a human... we are human at conception. It is murder of a human being.

[@coreyydeez3621]

@@sandsmarcwrong life begins at conception bud 🫵🤡

[@loiscooper480]

An interesting note on birthdays vs conception days. In Korea when a child is born, he is already considered to be a year old. (I know this because when I was in college there was a Korean couple in my church.)

[@headoh8558]

Exactly what i was thinking, i know several religions and traditions that practice this fact

[@banemaler]

Same in China

[@connorpen]

Korea passed a law in 2022 that changed their age counting to the way we do it (starts at 0 at birth). The law had 80%+ support amongst the Korean population according to NPR

[@VicecrackVoldermort]

​@@connorpen That doesn't really mean the culture has changed to believe that. As an abolitionist, if I was in Korea, I would be in favour of that as well.

[@connorpen]

@@VicecrackVoldermort I agree, I’m just letting people know that this isn’t true about Korea anymore As far as I can tell, this Asian tradition comes from some ancient Chinese astrology practices, not from a prolife stance. So it’s irrelevant to abortion anyways

[@santosconcepcion9616]

Just be honest all these anecdotal situations doesn't hide the fact that, she wants women has the right to choose murder regardless the reason.

[@daan260]

that's not a fact though, it's your opinion. Some people don't agree that it's murder, that's what the whole debate is about.

[@seihimecyfer330]

The crazy thing about to cabin Analysis is the fact that baby's can not digest human food until they are around 8-9 months old I've had 4 children in my life and I don't get them on baby food until they are close to 9 months and even then they still need the mothers milk to get the rest of the vitamins and minerals that they don't get in baby mush.

[@biffm.2806]

They can digest food earlier than 9 months..however, young babies have a reflex that will make them spit out the food.

[@MJ-xn2qp]

Hayden did a great job maintaining his point of stating the facts with endless patience and respect. Praying for this lady.

[@sandsmarc]

Stating the facts? Which “fact” are we looking at when invoking a made-up deity?

[@MJ-xn2qp]

Jesus is real, and Jesus is alive and he is coming back. 2 peter 3:9 says : The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

[@MJ-xn2qp]

God loves each one of us . Each life is precious. Your life is precious. God bless you.

[@zidane735]

@@MJ-xn2qpreligion people are so controlling like damn, leave people alone. The religion was created in the first place to control the masses

[@daan260]

no he's actually not listening and trying to trap her. I don't agree with her, but she's actually thinking critically about this topic, while he's more ideological

[@way2kul4any1]

They like to make up their own definitions as they go as if the dictionary doesn't exist.

[@ab3240]

Words are defined by the people that use them, not by people making dictionaries XD

[@daan260]

But Hayden is using the authority status of the dictionary to create straw man arguments. He argues that the words "child" and "life" proof that something has value, but that's not how it works. Definitions are linguistic constructs that describe something, but they don't necessarily indicate scientific or moral truths. The definition of "life" is mostly arbitrary, because there is no specific point where life begins or stops. We've created that point ourselves by creating a linguistic construct. Same goes for the word "child"; It's just a word we've made up to communicate something, but that doesn't mean that the word itself proves the actual value of something. Whether you use the word "fetus" or "child" doesn't actually change anything nor proof anything. The words you use only show your personal opinion on the matter or the opinion of the public if you go of the dictionary.

[@cheerfulmouse]

Thanks Orwell 🥴

[@EatLocalBeef]

@@daan260 Btw, almost everything you said in that paragraph is incorrect. "definition of life is mostly arbitrary because there is no specific point where it begins or stops?" what the hell does that even mean

[@daan260]

@@EatLocalBeef it means that human beings decided to make a distinction between life and non life. That distinction is by itself not based on science; it’s simply a decision and nothing more. It’s the same as mental illness. A good comparison is mental illness. People have decided that a bunch of abnormal symptoms that have a certain level of severity, together are defined as a mental illness. However, there is no scientific evidence to support that decision. It’s useful for people to make distinction even if it’s not a distinction that physically exists anywhere.

[@willomanza]

9:05 "I assume you're a cis male?" "No, I identify as a pregnant woman."

[@RoJaKiproductions]

Put a timestamp please lol

[@joshuathayer2410]

Regardless of stances, this was the most respectful conversation I’ve seen of people debating these sorts of topics. It was so nice to see

[@StaceyBeryl]

I carried and delivered four children. There has NEVER been a more amazing, blessed experience than carrying and delivering our children. I had each one naturally and was it easy, no, but my husband was my coach and we worked together to bring our babies into the world. Women who have had an abortion and then have a child, many times have abortion regret because they understand that they aborted a unique individual. We, as a society can see how, since abortion, children have become less and less valuable, especially to this on the left. God truly has "turned us over" to our sin. God's blessings to you, young man for standing up for what is right and good.

[@jasoncichon491]

Celebrating birthdays and not conception days is a social construct. End of discussion.

[@3YearsApart1613]

If a woman doesn't want to have a child, doesn't it make more sense to not do things that would cause her to get pregnant? 99% of pregnancies are not forced pregnancies. Just poor decisions by men and women in the heat of the moment.

[@sandsmarc]

Sex is also recreational and amazing fun. And technology can remove the unwanted result of pregnancy when accidents happen. That’s a good thing!

[@layeni35]

@@sandsmarcsee .. idk why women would want to get an abortion.. aside from medical and criminal reasons…. Whyyy do you want to go through that?? Do you they like to have things up in there and ripped out? Aside from the child… your body… your damaging your body… its like telling my bestfriend .. girl quit going back to your ex hes damaging youuu and yet they still go back and come back crying.. (awful comparison but its the damaging component)

[@trishaelsner4957]

Carrying a child does not completely destroy your internal organs. That’s ridiculous. It’s natural to carry a child and give birth. Everyone of us has gone thru development in the womb and being born.

[@wojack6519]

This is the most brutal mog ive ever seen

[@JackMSheridan]

“Trespassing? Jaywalking? “ Holy shit I almost died

[@samiraport]

The trauma of knowing that the child you wanted, but who has a defect, is being killed and thrown in the trash or flushed down the toilet is more traumatic than giving birth to it, being able to say goodbye, and burying it. Respect and dignity extend further than trying to avoid reality. Abortion trauma affects every woman who has gone through it, even if it takes decades. Been there…

[@JackMSheridan]

Wow! almost at 50k subs and the abolitionist rising people gave you a shout out!

[@jsh381]

Wow! It’s interesting to watch a person have to change their position from “it’s not human” to “oh, I guess it is a human, but it’s not a person.” My prayer is that this person will think about that and the evil that idea produces. For much, if not all; of human history, you’ve been doing the same thing: pointing at another human, and saying you’re not a person. This mentality leads down into the pit of hell. Jesus help us hear wisdom and turn away from our sin.

[@XemnasKaijin]

She’s a lying POS, that’s why. To her the ends justify the means. She can lie and pivot about her position all day so long as she secures the ‘right to choose’ which is just a dogmatic dog whistle for “do whatever I want all the time.” For the sake of her cult. It was infuriating seeing how often she would back peddle because she got caught in her own faulty logic and needed to save face. These people don’t have strong arguments so they have to flip flop on your their positions so their opponents gets confused or overwhelmed

[@daan260]

it's just a matter of definition. Do you expect her to change her entire view on the matter because she might've been using the wrong definition. definitions are linguistic constructs, they don't proof anything.

[@MyTruth1771]

Her entire argument crumbled when she agreed that the boyfriend would be committing murd3r by secretly giving the abortion drug to a unsuspecting mother.

[@secretGIRL0257]

So then it’s fine if people without medical degree give medicine to someone they know without their consent? It even knowing if they may be allergic to some chemicals?

[@mikel2535]

@@secretGIRL0257so then that person would be guilty of tampering with food or medication, poisoning someone or something like that. Not for the murder of the child.

[@secretGIRL0257]

@@mikel2535 so is mom value of life worth less then an unborn fetus ?

[@mikel2535]

@@secretGIRL0257 idk

[@sandsmarc]

@@secretGIRL0257No such thing as an unborn infant. A fetus is not an infant.

[@kelleymurray2907]

This is an incredibly embarrassing conversation for this girl lol

[@arnoldvezbon6131]

Unfortunately she is to stupid to realize it...

[@YZEtc]

Yet she probably talked with her friends a minute after saying how she pulled off a decisive win for women everywhere.🤪

[@sandsmarc]

@@YZEtcShe kind of did.

[@froggacuda1605]

I disagree. She was respectful and polite throughout the discussion. Even though her arguments were based mostly on special-pleading and restating her position as a first principle, she definitely didn't embarrass herself. She was listening closely to and maintaining the conversation, even looking for points of agreement between the two of them. As I see it, "winning" wasn't the point of their conversation

[@daan260]

uhm, no she clearly won the debate here. I don't agree with her though, but she had better arguments going for her.

[@gorillaz_jbi]

What defines personhood? It’s not abilities or age as the Pro-Abortioners claim. You’re in a conversation about abortion and someone says, “An embryo isn’t a person. It’s just a collection of cells. So there’s nothing wrong with abortion at that stage.” What would you say? Before we can decide whether an embryo is a person, we have to ask, “What makes anyone a person?” Here are a few things to remember… Our personhood does not depend on our abilities. Some are hesitant to recognize embryos as persons because they don’t function in the same way that fully developed people often do. For example, embryos can’t think or talk. But neither can someone under anesthetic, or someone in a coma, or someone who is asleep, think or talk. Newborns can’t think or talk the way adults can. Are they still people? Even adults vary in their ability to think and talk. What we can do does not make us who we are. Our personhood does not depend on our age. The argument that embryos aren’t fully persons assumes that our age determines our personhood. But does that make sense? If we have to be old enough to do certain things or look a certain way before we are persons, do we lose our personhood once we are too old to do things? I certainly hope not! In times past, some humans with lighter skin denied the personhood of those with darker skin. Everyone rightly recognizes how wrong that is. But if some humans shouldn’t dismiss the personhood of others because of the color of their skin, neither should humans who are older, have a right to deny personhood to those who are younger. If it’s not age or ability that makes us a person, then what does? Our personhood comes from our nature. To determine what something is, it is helpful to consider its nature not just its current abilities. For example, it is the nature of birds to fly. If they are too young or injured to do what most birds do, that does not make them less of a bird. While neither an embryo, an infant, or a severely disabled person may be able to think or talk the way we can, the capacity to do so is part of their nature. Even if that capacity is undeveloped or impaired. This is why we protect the offspring of endangered animals in the same way we protect their parents. As humans, our shared nature, regardless of our abilities appearance or age, gives us equal value. Bad things happen when we deny others personhood based on their ability or appearance. Once we abandon the idea that humans have equal value based on their nature, we are left to the whims of a group in power. There was a time when women weren’t considered persons. There was a time when African Americans weren’t considered persons. There was a time when Jews weren’t considered persons. We rightly condemned mistreatment based on sex, race, or ethnicity, because we know that these do not determine our humanity. So it is with embryos. They may not have all the same abilities we do, but if they could speak, they would tell us, “I’m just like you! I’m just a little younger!” So again, our personhood does not depend on our abilities, nor does it depend on our age. Our personhood and our equal value is rooted in our shared nature as humans regardless of what we can do. And if we decide people’s values is based on what they look like or what they’re capable of, that puts us in some pretty bad company.

[@sandsmarc]

Personhood is definitely determined by age and abilities. And once achieved through growth and development, it is permanent. So any argument about how we treat races or sexes is fallacious context dropping and an example of the straw man fallacy. Because all races and sexes are examples of born persons. They are bona fide people and have permanent and irrevocable status as people once they are born. So, once born, the removal of capabilities does not remove personhood. The end of consciousness does not remove personhood. Once you’re a person, you are always a person. But you are not a person until you achieve viability and other capabilities late in pregnancy. So your statement that personhood is not defined by age and abilities is incorrect. That’s exactly how it’s determined. But once achieved, it’s done, you’re a person. No matter what people call you or how they treat you.

[@gorillaz_jbi]

@@sandsmarc Nope, you’re wrong and on the wrong side of history. Personhood is the quality or condition of being an individual PERSON. Person is a HUMAN BEING regarded as an individual. Individual is single; separate. Human Life begins at fertilization. Our personhood comes from our NATURE. Human Nature is the general psychological characteristics, feelings, and behavioral traits of humankind, regarded as shared by all humans.

[@gorillaz_jbi]

@@sandsmarc by the way….life doesn’t begin at viability. Many argue that human life begins once a baby can survive on its own outside the womb. But there are problems with this argument too. After all, viability changes based on technology. Today, babies can be born as early as 24 weeks and survive. But 200 years ago that was impossible. Viability is also determined based on where you are born. Wealthy nations make things possible for babies that wouldn’t be possible in a poorer country. Does that mean a 24 week baby in the USA is MORE ALIVE than a 24 week baby in the jungles of the Congo? Of course not! So life must be determined by something other than viability. This is just common sense.

[@DamageDann]

Very well said.

[@sandsmarc]

Person is NOT just a human being. That’s your error. A person is a human being WITH attributes and capabilities that we DEFINE. The civilized world agrees and largely allows abortion because it recognizes that a fetus is not a person.

[@bblande]

I will agree with her that it was a great conversation, and I appreciated the respectfulness you expressed towards each other.

[@snowysnook]

I'm 20+ minutes into the video and she hasn't stormed off cussing, I'm impressed actually, kudos to her! She's a looney but at least capable of having a conversation 👍

[@leafer3]

There is no way that a homeless woman can't get enough food to survive in this country.

[@SpencerStahoviak03]

I’m so thankful that I have a mother, who doesn’t question whether or not she should support her children!

[@mandysaied]

Big props to having an actual conversation. It’s sad how rare it is to have discussions on abortion without pro choice people losing their minds. I commented on a Facebook post about how men shouldn’t make laws about woman’s bodies and how silly of an argument that is and made some analogies applying the same logic where it’s obvious how silly it is. One of the girls who responded told me she hoped she would get pregnant so she could have an abortion and send me a pic of it… another told me if I kept running my mouth online someone would beat me up… So it’s really awesome to see this. This is what’s needed.

[@MrEric4656]

Pain and some level of trauma/suffering naturally accompanies the human condition and there’s no way to avoid it. In taking the responsibility of provision for their families men have endured a lot of pain and suffering and in certain extremes death at their jobs. It is naturally the human condition that the woman will experience pain and suffering in childbirth. An offspring is a unique human being, and the parents have no right to end the offspring’s life in pursuit of elleviation of the pain and suffering that accompany the human condition. Especially when that offspring doesn’t pose a grave immediate danger to the parent.

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

but don't we as humans wish to allieviate pain and suffering, when we can?

[@sandsmarc]

Once offsprung, it’s an offspring. In early pregnancy, it’s merely a protein mass.

[@scottdunn2178]

Romans 1:26; "leaving the natural use of the woman" not only applies to lesbianism, but also women's attitude towards abortion of the "fetus" or "clump of cells".

[@markchambers7315]

Absolutely right and correct

[@sandsmarc]

And that’s exactly what a fetus is in early pregnancy. A cell clump.

[@scottdunn2178]

@@sandsmarc I rest my case...

[@ThelastShepherd.]

​@@sandsmarcEvery living organism is a clump of cells, you fool.

[@Apha-hl2km]

I have to say I’m so proud of where this channel has gone so far so quickly 2 weeks ago you had 6.11k subscribers you are now at 45.9k so proud of Hayden and this channel.

[@mintyblossom3930]

People are not monoliths, one woman’s experience with pregnancy is not every woman’s experience. We should be able to choose to have a child or not, that is our right to our bodies and our own autonomy.

[@Coloneldad5]

She says you cannot speak to a mother carrying a child, but neither can she as she has never done that. You have just enough right and ability to speak to the concept of a mother carrying a child as she can. She calls the experience of carrying a child as "trauma". That is definitely not what my wife calls it. Even though most of her pregnancies were difficult and "high risk" she would never used the term "trauma" as defining that experience. Interesting in how a woman, who will never carry a child and never really know any better than you do, calls it trauma.

[@nsmlsof]

Her saying “I continue to believe that it’s woman’s choice” repeatedly as a response to Hayden’s argument is logically equal to a child’s response to an argument by closing his ears and saying lalalallalalalalaala.

[@retrocivinum]

I seriously dont get arguing about abortions. Someone's body, their choice. Not up for others to decide.

[@guyledouche4918]

Someone's slave. Their property. It's not up for you to decide.

[@ye333]

A mother is not responsible for her child, but others are totally responsible for my student loan. 😂

[@Cyliem]

that jawline is godly, absolutely brutal mog

[@celestialmorpho]

Her saying a mother starving her child to death is manslaughter and not murder is insane but is a portrayal of that lack of accountability women are expected to have.

[@Art_thecl0wn]

She would have to sit and listen to her baby cry for hours on end, and actively refuse feeding the baby. That’s murder and it’s deranged.

[@Haggis1983]

If a woman is worried about what a child can do to her body, then maybe don’t have sex?

[@YZEtc]

Since the late 1960s the idea that sex is a fun favorite pastime has been pushed hard, so telling them to quit having sex to avoid pregnancy is like asking them not to breathe. They'd take it as a ridiculous concept worth only ridicule.

[@ioannbashlii230]

​@@YZEtcI'd like to agree with you, but what are we talking about when we say that agenda was pushed in ~1960s? Can you educate me a little bit, send some links for me to read maybe? Thanks in advance.

[@layeni35]

Lmaoo easier said than done for these people…. Like whats soo interesting about sex?? 🤣 humanity and its priorities.. while in the wild animals have babies left and right with each other 🤣🤣 they are just worried of repopulating 🤣🤣

[@Rotting12]

R@pe

[@chaosxconfessional]

28:31 -- contrary to popular belief a woman only needs to increase her daily food intake by about 8% to support a growing fetus. This number is even less if the woman is overweight. 😇

[@tmcslayer4559]

She looks like an AirPod

[@annmarygarcia1321]

My daughter had a friend that believed all of the same things this girl did...until she got pregnant and miscarried at 16 weeks. The poor girl holding this tiny infant with photos on Facebook is heartbreaking. She now knows what a baby really is. Hopefully the baby she is carrying now will be full term and healthy. But what a horrible lesson to learn for this young girl.

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

you are leaving out whether the pregnancy was planned or not. One can be pro-choice and still want children.

[@7days_week]

Thanks!

[@Hayden_Rhodea]

Thanks for the support!

[@thenatureofnurture6336]

All this person is doing is adopting an authoritative tone and making assertions. Her attempt at argument, that being a mother is 'traumatizing' is utter twaddle. All of life is traumatizing by this standard and is therefore a totally moot point.

[@anyfriendofkevinbaconisafr177]

It's the usual argument from these types - utterly selfish and relative only to themselves.

[@thenatureofnurture6336]

@@anyfriendofkevinbaconisafr177 I feel like these gross people are holding us hostage.

[@sandsmarc]

Asserting non-existent deities seems like more of an authoritative tone then what she did.

[@laurenk9485]

I think there should be laws against childbirth bc it is ALWAYS traumatic and therefore the human race should be discontinued. Bc absolutely no one on earth in the utopia should ever experience trauma. Liberal logic.

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

that is just conjecture on your part. No one - even the most exterme liberal - is arguing that childbirth itself must be totally banned.

[@jessecurle716]

​@@wylierichardson-tu6zs It's called a reductio ad absurdum. Look it up.

[@xragg]

I am so glad I don't have a position so barbaric that I have use mental gymnastics just picking the "correct" words to say in a conversation so I don't look like a monster.

[@GoldenAxeBuildz]

Forget any of what’s being said about abortion why does she keep hating on “this country” god bless America 🇺🇸 🦅

[@troll0321]

19:19 what I would say to this is “the word ‘fetus’ is merely Latin word for offspring. Which is a son or daughter, so thusly it is a child.”

[@mcbean1]

Do you not consider there to be a difference between a fetus and say a 15 year old? Sure they are both children in a colloquial sense but not when you consider them in this instance. It is like saying it is 100% safe to stand right next to a grizzly bear (but you ignore the difference between being in a zoo vs being in the wild). Your statement is correct when you are talking about a zoo, but very incorrect when talking about being in the wild.

[@sandsmarc]

We don’t speak Latin, we speak English where a fetus is not defined as a person and is not a child. But thanks for the trip down memory lane.

[@matt291]

​@@sandsmarc it absolutely does mean it's a child. Try coming up with an argument that isn't based on dehumanizing someone you want to murder.

[@sandsmarc]

@@matt291There is no child, there is no murder. A fetus is not a child and cannot be murdered. Murder is a legal concept and only applies to persons. A fetus is not a person, not a baby, not a child, not an infant. It’s a cell cluster and can be aborted at the pleasure of the woman who owns the cell cluster.

[@eyesuphear]

pregnancy and motherhood is trauma? and abortion isn't? they've never been educated on what an abortion actually is. i feel bad for this well intending lady. you can see her training, they've been trained to say "thats a COMPLETLY different conversation" and this twisted, weak idea of women.

[@trumpbellend6717]

Can I just point out to you that I am a adult human being, I have a fully developed brain, a conciousness a personhood with rights. Yet I *CANNOT* force my mother to give me a blood transfusion ( Even if its a matter of life or death ). What if I was at a different part of my life span maybe a pre-pubescent teen can I force her then ??? 🤔 How about if I were a toddler does that change things ?? Or is it only if I was an _"embryo"_ without a fully developed brain, no conciousness and no personhood, that things change ??? 🤔 At what specific point in my lifecycle does my mother loose the rights over her own body regardless of its impact on others?????

[@thewallsspeaktome3507]

"women have the right to choose what happens to her body" The child inside your body is not YOUR body.

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

But it resides inside the uterus, which is very much part of her body. It makes little sense to say 'well, a uterus is part of her body, but the contents OF the uterus belong to someone else altogether'.

[@thewallsspeaktome3507]

@@wylierichardson-tu6zs How does that make little sense? Is a joey in a kangaroo's pouch part of the kangaroo? No, the child growing inside of her is not her body, just connected to it.

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

@@thewallsspeaktome3507 and anything 'connected' to a person's body is considered to be part OF the body. The only exception to this rule would be conjoined twins.

[@thewallsspeaktome3507]

@@wylierichardson-tu6zs By that logic a woman should be allowed to murder her child even right before birth because it's 'her body'

[@sandsmarc]

There is no child in her body. A fetus is not a child. It’s morally inert tissue and aborting it is completely fine.

[@kingterrytheterriblet]

Mogged.

[@freudulant]

She is basing personhood on viability which isn’t even an objective standard. When you fail to recognise the humanity of a fetus based on arbitrary definitions related to stage of development or failing to meet your shifting definition or standards then one could then argue that for instance a transgender individual does not meet the standard of personhood because they claim to not fit the human sex binary

[@denniswakabayashi9000]

The fetus has never been recognized and treated as a person under the Constitution Where the current US Supreme Court AFFIRMED that precedent When allowing doctor assisted abortions in Mississippi (Dobbs).

[@charleswajda-gotwals3690]

"When do you celebrate your first birthday?" When you were born, genious, because it's a birthday not a conceptionday.

[@christineschaefer8216]

The changes done by pregnancy is not the same as "damage" . Women's bodies are specifically designed to carry and birth children.

[@daan260]

not really though, humans are not accurately evolved for giving birth. I mean animals have a way easier time at giving birth. And If a C-section or needing stitches down there isn't considered "damage" than idk what is. You're creating your own definitions, which is exactly what all those woke people are constantly doing.

[@crabb9966]

Mothers are becoming a bit selfish in this day and age. "It's my body!" It was made to give birth...

[@HowlingFantods]

Women are being selfish. Mothers love and care for their children.

[@wylierichardson-tu6zs]

Yes, all sexual creatures are designed to reproduce. Yet many folks live a long time without doing so. You seem to conflate 'being capable of reproducing' to 'being somehow OBLIGATED to reproduce.'

[@sandsmarc]

Everyone is selfish. And selfishness is a virtue.

[@HowlingFantods]

How is selfishness a virtue? Did you pick that up from some Ayn Rand book, lol. Honor, courage, sacrificing yourself for a greater cause is virtuous. Selfishness is the disposition of the coward. @@sandsmarc

[@Ellatrixx_14]

The trauma I'm getting from her reasoning.

[@vroomvroom12093]

as a pro-choicer, hear me out im completely dunking Blue Hair over here😂😂 in my opinion, abortion should pretty much be allowed just when the child or the mother are going to potentially die anyways or have prolonged suffering and in situations involving fatal disease, rape, etc. the talking points she's trying to go with are useless and she doesn't know what she's talking about. often the typical argument skills of people that are like that😂😂

[@go4069]

Subscribed, liked. So happy to see young people like yourself carrying the torch for humanity and the innocent. Gives me great hope for the future. Keep on keeping on.

[@thenatureofnurture6336]

Look at how disrespectful she becomes by talking over him, speaking only to her imagined audience instead of him AND using a condescending tone the whole time. This person is an utter hypocrite and basically possessed by her selfish ideology.

[@daan260]

what are you talking about? it was a civil discussion and he actually didn't let her finnish her point more often, incase you didn't notice

[@VicecrackVoldermort]

From all the things she said, the one thing I agree with her about is that you interrupt a little too much. Let them make their arguments and then, you address each point. Make sure to keep track though.

[@RoJaKiproductions]

He only interrupted her when she was wrong

[@RoJaKiproductions]

He was very patient

[@ashwin4dev]

This guy is epic! Legend bro! Keep up the good fight!

[@Nahnah111]

7:28 Premeditation can happen in 1 second. All premeditation means is you knew your actions would cause someone's desth.

[@jalapenomoon2416]

Just had my 4 baby, my first son, as a mother here the “trauma “ is the best part of my life. I’ll take trauma and see my family grow any time.

[@sandsmarc]

You do that, and leave others to make the decision NOT to do that.

[@matt291]

​@@sandsmarc just admit that you want to kill children.

[@sandsmarc]

@@matt291There are no children being killed because a fetus is not a child.

[@matt291]

@@sandsmarc what's the definition of fetus?

[@jennifermcculloch5324]

How much food does she thinks a fetus needs?! I know they joke about eating for 2 but they are so tiny. They will take what they need from us as long as we can get a couple meals a day. Silly argument

[@Apriluser]

I have two children and didn’t have ONE day of trauma. Don’t know what she is talking about. 😅

[@trumpbellend6717]

Lol is this a typical example of the dizzying heights your intellectual input attains or did I just catch you on a really really bad day dear? 🤭

[@sandsmarc]

Because your experience MUST be identical to everyone else’s experience.

[@Apriluser]

@@trumpbellend6717 I should say that I didn’t have any trauma during my pregnancies. 😅

[@Apriluser]

@@sandsmarc Did you read any of the other comments? Most women have little to no trauma during childbirth. But to go through life, without any trauma is really unrealistic. so people will face trauma, whether in childbirth, child rearing, or other aspects of life. And look at what most people in Third World countries live through and yet they managed to survive. Not without scars, but they managed to move on with life.

[@trumpbellend6717]

@@Apriluser ME ME ME ME ME ....... I had a great time gambling in the casino, I won lots of money, it was great fun and made my life so much better, so clearly EVERYONE will have the same experience as me and should gamble everything they have 👍 infact everyone should have their choice not to gamble in the casinos removed because I had good experience there. 😜

[@jpobrien1973]

She believes in the magical birth canal theory

[@curtisdonnelly7946]

I would have loved a dive into "personhood" and what that means. Apparently, "human" isn't enough. Either way, this was a beautifully civil exchange of ideas, and i am glad for it.

[@thelifeoflilly9]

I’m pregnant, and I’m not traumatized. That is a ridiculous argument for killing another human being.