Pro Terraria Player reads the Wiki

hey, at least it's not fandom
I think some of the deliveries came off as if I was genuinely upset, when it was more meant to be poking fun at some of the ridiculous things on the wiki. A lot of the stuff was marked as outdated/needing to be updated, it's not like this is going "wow the wiki is awful," more "wow look at all this silly things it recommends doing."
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[@WaffleTime]

I remember the ol' wiki DEMANDING the use of Dunerider boots and a sand platform just for the Eye of Cthulhu, abhorrent

[@Koontz_Terraria]

Holy shit its the man Itself Waffletime

[@Beepers559]

I still remember that video, t’was a funny experience

[@1ndiebird]

What a fuckin' time

[@corryjamieson3909]

@@1ndiebird truly the time of waffle.

[@Palemis]

Oh sh- oh god oh fu- it's the Waffle Time himself 😲😲

[@mattd824]

Telling new players to fight torch god after 2 heart crystals is CRAZY.

[@blaineburns4325]

Telling new players to fight torch god at any point is CRAZY.

[@tramtaku6553]

Think about it if they manage to beat him they are basically decent at the game now hats the ultimate accessory trust me beo

[@julienbronsch5039]

​@@blaineburns4325I mean its basically impossible to die to it once you got around 60 defense (in normal mode)

[@blaineburns4325]

@@julienbronsch5039 I know but why would you ever fight torch god in the first place? what's the point? being able to auto-place different color torches? I doubt any new player and even the vast majority of veteran players care about this perk at all. It being in a walkthrough as opposed to it just being relegated to a weird easter egg/side quest is baffling.

[@sorbetcafe]

most of the torches placed when you have torch god's favor will give you positive luck for the biome, which gives minor improvements to most randomly-determined things.

[@billy65bob]

At first I saw going to say "Are you sure you're looking at the right wiki?". Bro was looking at the right wiki.

[@krafuae]

People overestimate wiki.gg WAY too much.

[@morphoose923]

Next video: Pro Terraria Player reads Fandom wiki

[@sock1]

​@@morphoose923Next video: I have retired from Terraria

[@venombeetle7473]

Ngl I finished expert Ranger and Support (I did get Terraprisma) with the fandom Wiki and Zuzucorn guides, only AFTER starting a mage did I try and look for all the mage weapon did I see… *PISS BEAM*

[@Beepers559]

@@morphoose923if I may ask, just how bad is the fandom wiki? ‘Cause I only use the official one

[@MadamLava094]

The insistence on including pre-1.4 info for EVERYTHING clogging up EVERY page is honestly the most baffling thing about the wiki to me

[@EmiWi]

Especially since tmodloader is now in the latest version of the game it's really just pointless.

[@Criz454]

i appreciate it idk why. like i dont want that information to be lost, but also please remove it from the main version of the page and move somewhere else entirely

[@uponeric36]

@@Criz454 Minecraft's wiki has a solution for this: It's called page revision history! Just look for a page edited during the time of the update you're interested in. That said, Dwarf Fortresses solution is more use friendly but also harder to implement, as you have to decided which versions are worthy enough to alternative pages for. I love wiki culture but this it more and more strongly become anti-edit over time. I see this same type of thing brewing on the Dwarf Fortress wiki mostly in the "community articles" type sections. Once someone adds something to a page, if it gets deemed as part of "community culture" in some way it basically never gets removed, like the piles of bad fan fiction cluttering various articles. My ideal wiki is informative only and it's always sad to see great articles held back by the community maintaining them, especially because old maintainers tend to drive new maintainers out to preserve decades old nonsense.

[@Gnurklesquimp2]

They could make it expandable at the bottom of a page instead

[@Lily-white]

@@uponeric36 binding of Isaac wiki is good

[@vulpestellar]

As someone who uses the wiki almost exclusively for crafting recipes and drop rates (i love fishing) this video is actually hilarious I didn't know the wiki even had some of these pages

[@deadboyo2773]

Based fishing enjoyer

[@DudeTheMighty]

Same, friend, same. These articles are like those old strategy guide books from the 90's and early 2000's that were _full_ of factual errors.

[@nicktheguy_]

i just use it to get some enemy sprites or stats, i also didn't know the wiki had some of these pages

[@spiceforspice3461]

Same, I only use it because my memory is fallible for drop rates.

[@rmiki96]

These guides are the equivalent of telling a Fallout New Vegas newbie to go to Quarry Junction first to get some good loot early

[@deadboyo2773]

It's like telling someone to never play through a game before modding it heavily

[@elnalaombrebois5665]

@@deadboyo2773 honestly, I could say that for fallout 4...

[@deadboyo2773]

@@elnalaombrebois5665 difference being you should try fallout 4 with some mods to make it playable, as opposed to playing with a massive overhaul to start with

[@rmiki96]

@@deadboyo2773 I mean, I agree but to be fair following The Midnight Ride is pretty much the best way to experience base Fallout 4, even if you don't plan to mod it further. It might take a while to setup but it's just sooooo worth it.

[@emperortoho]

@@deadboyo2773 i mean if you’re playing sonic adventure or sonic adventure 2 you need a buttload of mods just to restore them to how they functioned before 50 bajillion ports and a crappy gamecube remake

[@Goat_gamering]

3:45 As somebody with a perfectly functional windows phone, I may have gotten a very very stupid idea.

[@-_.-__]

show us

[@fafufafu5784]

@@-_.-__ they cant the phone might burn from screen recording

[@B1esky]

it's totally possible to find old apks of legacy mobile edition and it's honestly a great experience (aside from the quality of life downgrades ;p)

[@Gidon147]

@@B1esky A WIndows Phone does not work with apks, it works with .exe, because its a Windows Phone. A Damn shame that they didn't take off, modern windows phones would be absolutely amazing.

[@vibaked]

My first playthrough of Terraria ever was on a Nokia Lumia 620 back in 2014. Please Google the device, the screen is TINY

[@tsunderevampire1396]

Terraria could take a page from the dwarf fortress wiki and have a multiple variations of pages for different versions. Although I understand that’s probably a lot of effort.

[@wahoo42069]

you're right, but to be honest, Terraria is definitely a community that would put in the work!

[@Yoruharu]

@@wahoo42069 ...except for this one case, i suppose.

[@throwawayusername]

it'd probably be easier in the long run I feel

[@Frrixy]

The binding of Isaac wiki has variations of every single page that are accurate to what DLC you're playing on, and to not give spoilers

[@carcinoGetenicist]

or they could just do the thing that literally every wiki does and keep a revision history. but that's too simple, you gotta cram all info ever into a single article.

[@bobbob1876]

I just learned about Terraria today, so first thing I did was find out where I can buy it. After going to the 14th page of Google search results, I found someone selling a used copy of the game on eBay, along with the Xbox 360 (from 2005) used to play it. Very excited to play! I sure hope the wiki has a ton of outdated info mixed in with relevant info!

[@somerandomdude7815]

(obligatory PC is better) i hope you have a lot of fun! if i remember correctly though, the ps3/xbox360 have not been updated, so if you want to continue, you will need to upgrade to pc or xbox1/ps4. as xbox360 stopped at duke fishron (aka between 1.3-1.4)

[@xcaedes]

@@somerandomdude7815 It stopped at 1.2

[@bobbob1876]

@@somerandomdude7815 Thank you so much! My comment was a joke about how unlikely people are to actually find the outdated wiki info relevant though, ahaha

[@thenewtriosguy]

ik this is a joke but I actually got a 360 with terraria preinstalled

[@Tree_-wp5zn]

We have a lot of favorites... Tree approves this message.

[@DekFocs]

On the flaming arrow page, it lists a 3ds/old gen console tip to use a molten fury with an endless quiver to get free arrows. 3ds/old gen console. Endless quiver. Whoever did the change literally just swapped the desktop version icon with the 3ds and old gen ones without checking if one of the included items was even around before 1.3

[@fishydids]

In addition, the absurdity of having a tip for free arrows when they are incredibly cheap to buy and craft

[@FFKonoko]

​@@fishydids ...and of a tip to get free arrows, after you already have the infinite quiver?

[@glauberglousger956]

Isn't the Sharanga available for 3ds?

[@JJSquirtle]

I'm more mad that they don't recommend the Sharanga. Slappiest bow in old console. Sometimes I play old console just to relive that power trip

[@Necrovia]

This makes alot more sense on why I was struggling with Terraria progression BADLY. I never understood why some items were super grindy and why some bosses were awful to fight. I had to learn about WINGS via buying them from the Witchdoctor. I was SHOCKED that Wings were an option to use and made the mechs no longer painful but BEATABLE. I mostly use wikis to help me play games and I couldn't really understand why people had such fun when I was over here struggling with Torch God.

[@BloodisFuel7]

huh? you're saying you weren't able to beat the mechs but you were able to beat plantera despite plantera being post-mechs?????????? leaf wings are post-plantera

[@Necrovia]

@@BloodisFuel7 There was a version of Terraria that had it where leaf wings were the weakest wings you could immeditaly get in Hardmode, before they were locked behind Plantera. I am not referring to the most modern version of Terraria when talking about my struggle( We're talking nearly 6ish years ago) but the older version of the wiki were fucked up equally as now. I know better now, but YEARS ago when I first started I had no idea that wings were a thing until I saw the Witchdoctor in the Jungle, by accident, and seeing the Leaf Wings.

[@BloodisFuel7]

@@Necrovia hmm.. maybe like.. 1.3? or 1.2? i dunno man

[@Aquelecaralaessemesmo]

@@BloodisFuel7 leaf wings being post-plantera was changed in 1.4.4

[@be7256]

@@BloodisFuel7 leaf wings being post plantera were a relatively recent change one of the most popular things you used to hear in terraria tips videos was to save up a plat before hardmode starts to buy leaf wings immediately lol

[@b1oodzy]

I contributed a lot to the class setups page, specifically Summoner, and the wiki editors kept reverting it because they were absolutely clueless, they didn't even know that Firecracker + Stardust Dragon is better than Kaleidoscope + Terraprisma.

[@Shyguymask]

That's not really the case though. Dragon Cracker has higher raw DPS, but in practice the vastly higher range of Kaleidoscope combined with the vastly more reliable & responsive AI of Terraprisma makes Kaleidoscope + Terraprisma better and more practical against Moon Lord in whip builds.

[@b1oodzy]

@@Shyguymask Yeah but to be honest this debate isn't as important as it used to be since the discovery of mixing Terraprisma with Dragons.

[@manusiaorang2842]

​@@b1oodzywhat do you mean 'since the discovery' HOW LONG DID IT TAKE

[@manusiaorang2842]

for it to be discovered

[@b1oodzy]

@@manusiaorang2842 I'm not sure, I only knew about it in January of this year but I suspect it was discovered earlier.

[@midnightemerald]

hi, it’s me the person who made the first deerclops strategy page when it was released. im gonna be real, i copied like all of it from queen bee and made minor changes, not sure how long its been since then actually

[@sorbetcafe]

lmao, that's incredible

[@Saltience]

i swear this guide was written by the actual guide from terraria

[@Meowlegend7]

Except the Guide NPC is actually good.

[@Glory.to.master.kohga.]

the disrespect to the guide is insane here. that mf is GOATED.

[@cataclysmi]

guide is actually good tho

[@bluerious5475]

The guide tells you how to move on through every stage of the game and craft every item, hop off my goat

[@Tyrian3k]

As you say, the problem is that they're not willing to get rid of old info or, even better, make a sub-page for the same item/boss/whatever for an older version so every bit of information is where it belongs and where it is helpful. The Ivy Whip being mentioned so much in particular probably goes back to the 1.0 and 1.1 days when it was the only other hook besides the basic grappling hook (talking pre-HM in 1.1).

[@bobbob1876]

Minecraft walkthrough if it was written like this: Ender Pearls are very useful and can help you gather wood and explore your first cave. Go to the End, slay the Ender Dragon, and make an Ender Pearl farm, then punch down your first tree and make your first pickaxe! A Haste II beacon will help speed this up, so make sure to kill the Wither as well. Press E to open your inventory.

[@haidenn6650]

One of my favorite lines from the Terraria Wiki is, on the trivia for the Blindfold, "a real-life blindfold usually disables the wearer's sight instead of preventing sight-deteriorating effects." Like, wow, never would've thought! They also seem to take everything Red says completely seriously, like on the Guide's page in the trivia it says "according to Redigit, the Guide is the Wall of Flesh, the brother of the ninja inside King Slime, the great-grandson of the Nymph, and the son of the Moon Lord. *It's unknown whether these statements are jokes."* Like seriously???? You don't even need to look at the context of what Red said to know that him being the great grandson of the Nymph (not to mention while simultaneously being the son of the Moon Lord) is a complete joke, no one was supposed to take that seriously in the slightest

[@DeXyfero]

Family tree: Nymph: 1 child Child grows up, then makes bebe with moonlord, creating two beings: The guide, and the ninja. Wiki people: yep, seems factual to me!

[@mnmnrt]

you when it turns out to be true in the next update

[@a_random_lizard]

If you read the lore, and you follow this logic, that means Moon Lord killed his mother's kind, and how is thay gonna work? Moon Lord is a literal GOD! and Dryads were the protectors of the Terraria Universe

[@DeXyfero]

@@a_random_lizard either that or moon lord had a child with a nymph, which I’d argue makes more sense than him killing his entire race. Still bonkers tho

[@n484l3iehugtil]

Joke or not, it still came from Word of God, and deserves to be mentioned. Especially if it's just trivia

[@SpiderJAAM]

Ah yes... I killed Duke Pre-Mecs, I wonder How should I kill the mecs now. 💀

[@venomousslime6797]

In a normal playthrough, the only times I fight Duke pre-Plantera is when I'm REALLY struggling on a boss (sometimes bosses), and desperately want to defeat said boss.

[@przecietnyfanmangetsuu6968]

True, how are you supposed to kill mechs with weapons you can kill final boss with (like razorblade Typhon)

[@anhduc0913]

@@przecietnyfanmangetsuu6968 with your eyes closed lol.

[@vanconojl]

@@anhduc0913 xD

[@ilikejudgesinvideogames]

@@przecietnyfanmangetsuu6968 the moon never had the cheese I wanted. this is why we’re killing the moon lord. also because the moon just sucks in general

[@icedt513]

a lesser known fact about Lifeforce Potions is that they're technically obtainable pre-Skeletron because Gold Chests that generate close enough to the underworld contain primary Cavern loot and secondary Underworld loot, including Lifeforce Potions (it also results in being able to obtain Meteorite Bars pre-evil boss because they're part of the secondary Underworld loot). the problem is that this piece of information is HIDDEN IN THE TIPS SECTION OF THE METEORITE BAR ARTICLE, it doesn't even get mentioned on the article for Gold Chests which is fairly informative regarding Underground and Cavern loot that can be obtained. it's so bad that i only knew of this fact by RANDOMLY reading the Meteorite Bar article to remember how many bars i need for everything, and not because i thoroughly read the Gold Chest article to get an idea of how likely i am to get the item i want

[@julienbronsch5039]

It *does* get meantioned in the arcticle for chests overall though. "Cavern Gold Chests that spawn within 250 blocks of the bottom of the world will generate the same common items as Shadow Chests." But I also only kmow it by the Terraria Veterans video where one of the guys there used the laser gun agianst his first fight agianst Eye of Cuthulu

[@Shyguymask]

Still better and more reliable than the average big terratube channel guide or "weapon review" video

[@Meowlegend7]

Let me guess, the "Coin gun beats the Zenith DPS", "Vampire Knives are overrated" and "Sniper Rifle is good against crowds" guy?

[@thexwhats2989]

Strange seeing a KZbinr that stopped uploading in KZbin comments

[@JenyaFio]

@@thexwhats2989 How is it strange? Stopping to make videos doesn't mean you have to stop commenting.

[@thexwhats2989]

Just they usually disappear

[@zannax351]

​@@thexwhats2989SGM has always been an active commenter in communities for games he's passionate about like terraria and bloons

[@KingCassowary531]

I swear if these people want to keep all pre 1.4 advice they just need a separate walkthrough for different versions of the game

[@MaskedBall497RS]

6 minutes ago Comment made 21h ago Bro is time travelling 💀💀

[@tempy2440]

Or has early access to videos.

[@tempy2440]

High key surprised they don't do the dwarf fortress wiki style version changes

[@idkcba]

Separate wiki's more like. Have the normal wiki and then the horribly outdated one

[@antrobot]

They should do it like the binding of isaac wiki does where you have page versions for each different major release (in isaacs case: rebirth, afterbirth, afterbirth+, and repentance)

[@SarisWinterwisp]

"Please throw your arrows by hand" is amazing

[@Bismarck501]

2:26 OK but if you could throw your arrows like a bloons tower defense dart monkey that would go absurdly hard

[@Vici0uSquirrel]

Anyone who hasn’t seen the second point under “Trivia” for the Hexxed Branch should check it out, the last part has some life changing advice

[@smolbrendan5978]

oh my god you're right it is life changing

[@nimajneb8897]

Beautiful trivia lmao

[@DschlangoeTheMighty]

Wow I didn't read that properly the first time You weren't kidding, that was life changing

[@-_.-__]

mind blown

[@coreflakes]

real life trees rarely move at all 🔥✍️

[@padlyo7150]

In the deerclops guide it lists that "In Expert Mode, Shield of Cthulhu's dash is essential and makes the fight considerably easier." HAS NOBODY ON THE WIKI FOUGHT DEERCLOPS ON EXPERT BEFORE?

[@z4molxe690]

What why? I barely ever fight Deer, why would the Shield be bad for him?

[@padlyo7150]

@@z4molxe690 fighting deerclops is done by quickly running under his legs when he is about to attack, if you use the shield of cthulhu you will bash into his legs and bounce back directly into his slam.

[@z4molxe690]

@@padlyo7150 aha. I didnt think the shield would hit and bounce under his legs since iirc, he doesnt have a hitbox there. You learn something new in this game everyday. I guess the wiki writers thought that the shield would be good for dodging attacks if you actually tried fighting it head on (where it would help).

[@xhbirohx2214]

@@z4molxe690 fighting it head on IS running thru the legs

[@lainhikaru5657]

​@padlyo7150 my tactic is cheesier but efficient and can be done with little hp. Se a house near where you are fighting deerclops with a chair and campfire. Not near enough where it can aggro you if you teleport. Then set a campfire in the place you gonna figgt deerclops. Hit him face tanking and when ho us low use teleport potions. (Magic mirrors might not work well ) Sit on the chair to recharge hp faster. Recommended silver/tungsten armor+ and regen potion and iron skin potion.

[@KekkusMaximus]

Being unwilling to remove outdated content because on a couple of platforms it might still be relevant is really weird when you could just simply make a dedicated page that is dedicated to those versions while keeping the standard one up to date and conflict free. Great video as always, you're an extremely knowledgeable and passionate person and I hope that one day you'll get the attention that you deserve.

[@TheZombiesAreComing]

They could easily dedicate a "Patch changes" section like wow's wiki does to include changes from different updates though that involves reading ALOT of patch logs. Personally I think it's an effect of a shrinking community. A game with a large robust community rarely struggles with the wiki. A game with a small/shrinking community. Good luck getting a half decent wiki

[@Kynrasian]

A friend of mine started playing Terraria a couple weeks ago, so we started an expert mode playthrough together. At one point, he went looking for the Sharanga because the wiki mentioned it on the class setups page. The Sharanga... in PC Terraria 1.4.4.9

[@mnmnrt]

what's the sharanga?

[@hyperplayability6290]

@@mnmnrt old gen console exclusive bow, crafted with 2 Molten Fury bows IIRC I haven't booted up old gen console in years (I still have the console) It converts wooden arrows to spectral arrows IIRC (also old-gen exclusive)

[@paulog73]

12:24 i think they're saying you should look out for critters dying at night, because then you will know where there are zombies. Seems extremely situational, but at least has a use, i guess

[@teddabear8890]

I feel like half the people making the wiki were trying to make a linear guide to the best strategy and loadout for each section of the game, and the rest were trying to give a detailed account of every item available at each stage so that the players could read through the corresponding pages and pick a load out that works for them. Both of these are pretty valid strategies... but then neither side bothered to communicate their goals to the other and both parties gave up half way through.

[@gmannn-yd8ie]

All hail the Ivywhip.

[@sorbetcafe]

All hail the Ivywhip.

[@Goat_gamering]

All hail the Ivywhip

[@Waaz732]

All hail the Ivywhip. Hands down the first thing you should craft with jungle materials 🔛🔝

[@crazyjack746]

My friend crafted that instead of the snapthorn. I pushed him into the hellivator

[@gaygamer2170]

Unironically it's usually the first jungle drop I make. Best pre-hardmode hook under normal circumstances. Don't rag it until you try it, you'll get enough of the materials for the other stuff during normal exploration unless you're going for jungle armor.

[@zachmercer1065]

These guides sound more like someone having an argument with their friends about what weapons and items are good in Terraria than a coherent guide for new players, let alone any players…

[@Iron_Cutlass]

The issue with the Terraria wiki is that it's basically a mess solely due to the wiki transition from the Fandom website to the Wiki website (formerly abandoned). The Fandom website is basically being left behind as a result of Fandom cluttering their websites with adds and generally not improving anything for people who work on website itself, so they have been transitioning slowly to the Wiki website, which as a result, has basically been left it in shambles since they are basically forced to make a lot of half assed corrections as quickly as possible, which ironically has resulted in a large amount of misinformation and constrictions as a result.

[@timbtw3656]

its actually insane that a bunch of these guides have a revised status

[@mnmnrt]

what does that mean?

[@KhangAJ]

@@mnmnrt means that those guides was "updated" recently enough to have the correct information

[@tekt_real]

Having personally fixed up and written pages for a different wiki, it's definitely extremely annoying to see obvious lies written as fact. Or the writers personal opinions just thrown in for no reason. (Ivy Whip)

[@duckers3240]

Yo, now we see what "The Gamer" journalists do in free time

[@godslayer9000]

Looking at the thumbnail, after playing nothing but infernum for the past half year, i thought "yeah lifeforce's a pretty good pick for surviving a couple more hits". How has this gone unnoticed so long

[@mnmnrt]

what's the problem?

[@merasmus9992]

@@mnmnrthardmode potion, can only get a small few from the underworld

[@dusaprukiyathan1613]

@@merasmus9992 More importantly, getting lifeforce potions from the underworld is done by opening the POST-SKELETRON shadow chests.

[@merasmus9992]

@@dusaprukiyathan1613 i still remember the mobile version of terraria when the mechs came out, a DRAX could spawn in the underwold gold chests

[@kane_lives]

@@dusaprukiyathan1613 The shadow chests aren't truly post Skeletron. You can explore the dungeon even on Legendary if you stack Armor+Regen and spawn enough bees with self made Bee hives. Eventually you will get a couple of golden keys from random wood chests/pots and get the coveted Shadow key.

[@maroskovacic146]

the ivy whip thing is actually hilarious

[@electrospaghetti8388]

Way back in 1.1 there was only 3 grapples in the entire game: the grapple, ivy whip, and dual hook. I would put money that every single mention of Ivy whip was written back before gem hooks were introduced in 1.2.

[@notfunnydidntlaugh5270]

They also said that it's good because it has multiple hooks. The mechanic that pretty much nobody ever uses.

[@Meowlegend7]

​@@notfunnydidntlaugh5270I value multihooks.

[@gaygamer2170]

@@notfunnydidntlaugh5270 I use multiple hooks all the time. Great if you want to be suspended in mid-air, such as when you shimmer stuff. Ivy Whip also has the second greatest range of any pre-hardmode hook obtainable under normal circumstances, the greatest speed, and you are unlikely to have a decent hook by the time you start exploring the jungle. The ivy whip is a great and cheap upgrade to an item you use all the time in boss fights and general exploration, I don't get the ragging on it, it's not like spores and vines are a precious resource.

[@finnishamerican]

found the guy that added the ivy whip to the walkthrough

[@user-mq1ng6sj7b]

5:52 I was listening to this while tabbed out so I was going to initially say "oh, they clearly just meant the shrimpy truffle, that's a typo for sure" And then I read what was on screen and realized they also listed the shrimpy truffle before it...

[@bigmike8586]

I kinda wish there was a PC-only version of the official wiki, having to visually sift through a bunch of information on a page because "oh well the 3DS version technically exists i guess so we'd better put all the information right alongside the info that actual human beings use"

[@foxyy2048]

more like a 3DS-only and WINDOWS PHONE-only because at this point all the other versions are the same

[@An_Entire_Lime]

​@@foxyy2048 Hell it doesn't even have to be a different wiki, just make one big set of pages cataloging everything different about the old relic versions.

[@TogiDX]

> you can run through deerclops' legs .. How did I not know this.

[@thehumanstunlock7588]

because we usually jump over and behind her as she uses the ice spikes. it IS hella telegraphed.

[@Krell356]

Don't worry. I didn't either at first, but it is fun to dodge ice spikes by just running between his legs.

[@glauberglousger956]

​@@thehumanstunlock7588Deerclops is female?

[@thehumanstunlock7588]

@@glauberglousger956 according to multiple people i've heard refer to it as "her", yes, but i cannot confirm.

[@drq_seed]

​@@thehumanstunlock7588Iam apart of the don't starve community and we indeed confirm deerclops is a she

[@jasonthe4th]

my favorite instance of this type of situation on the wiki is the Paladin's Hammer page, saying it potentially has higher DPS than Terra Blade

[@Shyguymask]

lol what

[@Meowlegend7]

I like the Paladin's hammer but what

[@glauberglousger956]

I mean... Maybe on older mobile versions, but uh Terra Blade's stronger (although depending on the version, the difference varies

[@zacharyclarkson103]

just got a shackle now moonlord is easy

[@SIXSHAMAN]

12:11 Someone tried to make the text as precise as possible. Paradoxically, these precise technical details only make the text less understandable.

[@bronzdeck6412]

Jesus, I felt less pain is Sorbet's voice when they massacred Moon Lord with a lawnmover its that bad

[@zsasha2004]

Didnt mention the keybrand on the class setups which is quite confusing unless you're on the zenith seed Iol

[@vortex_talon]

This is hilarious, you should beat the game by the wiki using the worst possible methods suggested.

[@ghastlywraith2214]

Wow thanks for making this video, bc its really eye-opening to me on just how wrong or confusing even the official wiki can be sometimes

[@duprica]

I remember the squire helm used to give +4 HP/s but they nerfed that three thousand years ago.. Coupled with the lack of wings, something tells me the guide maker was stacking regen because they get hit by everything.

[@satibel]

back in my day we used a slime statue for invulnerability

[@1984jaunary1st]

bro ACTUALLY sounds like a biblically accurate nerd emoji.

[@atg4eva]

I saw this video and thought it came out a coulpe months ago, thinking "wow the guide really sucked back then, its probably much better now" and then saw that the video came out 2 hours ago

[@steepslopesmm2]

I like ivy whip though so it should definitely be listed twice as a key progression item

[@nylonswordsman]

6:21 "Why is the Ivy Whip shown explicitly? It's the only item shown on the entire guide!", Dumbledore asked calmly.

[@MystifyingMister]

did anyone else notice that at 0:16 it says shacklf instead of shackle

[@NotRealAkira]

Honestly if they care about preservation for old info so much, why didn't they just save a different page for each major update instead of making it confusing like this?

[@An_Entire_Lime]

I don't think they care about preservation that much, they just got used to including all versions because it was actually relevant (when Tmod and the regular game were on different versions for example) and not that intrusive. But then ended up continuing to do it out of habit even after it stopped being useful and became very intrusive.

[@Stone_RedSkye]

I need more videos like this. For way too long the wiki was my one of my only sources of Terraria information and now i KNOW it was holding me back

[@Pronzershrecken]

Not even gonna lie to ya, wiki fooled me with the Scaly Truffle and the Shrimpy Truffle cuz of that page lol, i spent an eternity building the biome to get it and was hit by the slow and non-infinite flight reality :(

[@caosin3667]

Was hoping this was fandom wiki

[@justajurble6793]

I will never forgive the wiki for telling younger me that gem robes and staves were a great idea against the WoF

[@adbt_]

1:20 "Or eating a tree! From an apple."

[@random32i8]

this is why you never look at the tips section on the wiki, only use it to learn how to obtain items, dont trust any of the tips it gives you

[@bbarbiter]

When I first did a playthrough of terraria almost a decade ago, I didn't look at the wiki once. I think for the best experience, you shouldn't either. It's so much more fun to find out things on your own, not knowing what you're gonna come across.

[@silentxwxlf]

i wish there was some updated form of viewing recipes in vanilla terraria because having to talk to the guide constantly and write down important recipes necessary for progression is a little infuriating to me

[@DreamyAileen]

Ehh, it depends. In my opinion the best way to experience Terraria for the first time is to play it with a friend who has a little more knowledge of the game. Just because half the game's content is locked behind Hardmode, which is only hinted at in a single Guide tip that the player probably won't ever see because by that point in the game you wouldn't think to talk to the Guide anymore.

[@elliejohnson2786]

Literally how is the calamity wiki better than this?? I never even noticed these issues because I only use specific pages for specific info. This isn't even a fandom wiki issue because this isn't the fandom wiki!! HOW

[@Fihous]

I love watching sorbet have a mental breakdown reading the wiki can we get more of this

[@matthewgrobel5587]

I remember as a challenge run following a ranger guide someone else posted to KZbin. They must’ve compiled the guide completely from the wiki because they recommended the phoenix blaster pre skeletron.

[@duduvec5971]

Based summoner pilled ivy whip enjoyer ai generated looking wiki vs soy hardcore common sense wise femboy. Gotta be on my top 10 crossovers of all time.

[@Not_Lost_Leviathan]

When I started playing Terraria on computer about 2-3 years ago, my friend told me not to ever use the wiki and I didn't. Now i know why! Why is like half the information wrong, old, or just not there!!! Great video

[@TheTundraTerror]

The wiki is find if you need to know drop sources or crafting recipes. Other than that, yeah, it's pretty bad.

[@shunderstock8080]

When I started terraria I wanted to play mage, and then I witnessed that for eye of cthulhu I needed the wizard hat, so I waited for Tim to spawn for quite some time, and...figured out it's best not to rely on wiki for stuff like this

[@An_Entire_Lime]

You use the wiki to look up what items do and how to obtain them and just ignore the spider web of guides and weapon comparisons

[@d1mensi0n70]

Hold up, gotta do this for the Calamity Wiki real quick

[@darkfiredragon3410]

The official one isn't even that bad, it mostly suffers from frequent updates slowing down a still incomplete move. We don't talk about the Fandom one.

[@Rukir]

You are very fun to listen to. Like, even unrelated to the voice (but it definitely helps!). Love your vids

[@Sancheroid]

I never saw that, i just searched for specific accessories or weapons. Also my sanity is way lower now too, this is absolutely ridiculous. Vote sorbet for wiki president!

[@purplehaze2358]

The frustration in Sorby's voice made this video at least 300% better.

[@TheStormQueen]

As much as the progression guide sucks, I love going there when I don't know what to use for a playthrough and am looking for something fun to build off of. Hell, I'll do it in modded too after I finish my first run of said mod

[@jevanstokely9765]

I need a weapon guide ASAP. Your information is so concise and helpful and I’m so awful at figuring out what’s useful when

[@Imnotaniggabruh]

Tbh ,wiki is most useful for crafting and boss information😂

[@raidcrhonos]

Wait there's no negative luck anymore?! Fuck I've been minmaxxing torches for nothing

[@sorbetcafe]

yeah, torch luck is only ever positive. The only way you can get negative luck is by killing ladybugs or town NPCs and it's a very brief duration. Torch luck will always be between 0.0 and 0.2. Using the wrong torches will bring you down from 0.2 to 0.0, but it will never bring you to a negative luck.

[@venomousslime6797]

@@sorbetcafe also, although it's rather specific, fishing with ladybugs as bait.

[@Redddragon]

The right torches still give you a nice useful luck boost

[@nut897]

Negative torch luck was one of the only L updates I can recall them making with the game. they removed it after a few days of getting slammed for it.

[@nathandesilva4781]

Iirc, negative torch luck got removed within the month it was added, since it ruined drop chances for everyone across the board.

[@Gyniany]

6:20 I'm dying 💀

[@2Siders]

Besides keeping the pre 1.4 pages separately, I wish the console 3DS crafting recipes (that are almost always different) were kept hidden in a spoiler div, or on a separate page altogether. It’s really annoying when reading, and sometimes you mistake the recipe

[@bartudundar3193]

It's pretty hilarious that the wings are so undermined in the wiki. They are pretty much the one accessory that all the classes are going to be using. For harder bosses, its almost a requirement in my opinion. Sure you can beat the game without wings, but you can also technically dump antimonic acid on your genitals and survive, doesn't mean its the optimal strstegy for victory.

[@kane_lives]

Uhh.. No? You can beat the game on Legendary Getfixedboi with other wingless options such as Mechanic's teleporters/Grav potions/Fishron mount + Rod of Discord. As for the optimal strategy, I guarantee that Grav potions are VASTLY superior to any wings vs Legendary Mechdusa. And the teleporters make it so easy I consider using them cheese. Other creative options are Railroads and a giant ocean with the Lava Shark mount, but these require patience to build.

[@kevlap017]

The wand of sparking disrespect on the wiki is sacrilegious.

[@rubixclockpog]

Be grateful that it didn't leak your IP adress and bombard you with ads.

[@zoont_]

To be fair, the class setups guide helps as a list of available weapons at each stage of the game

[@jaronheirofsunlight]

I learned Terraria because of the bad wiki. Cause I had to look through and do so much research that I learned like everything. Not sure if thats a good thing but I would definitely say the wikis straight up misinformation is a problem for new players. What helped me was specifically the item progression page.

[@foldedhaha]

the only time i craft ivy whip when i got too much jungle material and my hooks was still low tier lmao

[@LyDek_Ruke]

I just discovered your channel today and wanted to say that I like it a lot. +1 sub

[@rorbee]

About to start my first playthrough of terraria on the sega genesis. Very much looking forward to reading the available walkthroughs for an easy introduction!

[@user-ox3sd8od7i]

I think the wiki should just be a source o information, not a place for guides or recommendations

[@ivanalaskevich4736]

Well, I'm personally tired of things like "this page is telling you about cintent existing on -pc -mobile -console -oldgen -newgen -64bit -128bit -quantom....." instead of "this content is not available on 3ds". Even more confusing are all this icons on items existing on some versions. If you have a list, yust get it as "1 in 2", and as always with any "1 in x" it is just less convenient than "x in x". Like you have lost of bullets, but silver bullets have separate stats for 3ds and current versions. You will get silver billets just listed twice. Just send all this old data to separated wiki, or even more - make [something] to hide useless info. You are playing only on PC? Press a button to hide any info about mobile/console/oldgen things. Rrrrrrrrrrrr

[@JaMaMaa1]

I never thought of the class setups page being a part of a guide, I simply thought they were the only options I could make at that point of the game, since I regularly saw bad weapons, I just looked for what seemed to have the best stats.

[@infinitedaves]

That flow chart for the boss order hurt my brain to look at 😂 also just gotta say, I've been playing since like.... 2011? Idk but it was before hardmode was in the game lol. I'm no pro by any means and am currently working on my 1st master mode playthrough, and I just learned today that you can walk under deerclops. I never really liked the fight but knowing that now I might actually enjoy it 😂 thanks for the entertaining and educational content!

[@toko90s9]

I'm glad finally someone had the balls to say that Beenades and the Mega Shark actually are NOT as good as people make them out to be. Even now I find people even on KZbin saying "just make beenades/mega shark" when it comes to boss strategies.

[@julienbronsch5039]

I previously never used beenades agianst the WoF and heard many people talk about how good they were. I recently looked something up and it said that you need atleast 100+ beenades for Mastermode and probably even expert and that made me realize that they are comletely overrated. At that point just do the speedrunner strategy and use like 10 dynamite

[@throwawayusername]

@@julienbronsch5039 they are good for just classic mode pretty much since the hungry don't respawn from memory. They are like legit just useless for the fight expert mode up

[@BoxChicken137]

okay but the ivy whip is kinda worth imo, not having a good grapple drives me nuts as a little grapple jumping goober

[@venomousslime6797]

In my experience, it's not much better than even some of the worst hooks. I'd just use another decent hook, and just use the materials I could've used on the Ivy Whip on something else, unless I have extra materials.

[@sorbetcafe]

Nah it’s a pretty good hook, a little less range than diamond but also a little faster and has multiple hooks. It’s just… once you hit the high tier gem hooks, upgrading isn’t that impactful, and the Ivy whip is probably the least useful item to craft out of vines. Granted, the rest are class-based, but they’re REALLY good for their class.

[@neoselket562]

Ivy whip(and any hook that allows you to have multiple hooks out at the same time) is bad because grappling to a new location doesn't actually put you there, it just puts you in between it and the last place you grappled. I'd rather use a default hook than ivy whip.

[@deadboyo2773]

​@@neoselket562 For combat yes, for a lot of other things, mainly building, multiple hooks are quite useful if you don't want to build scaffolding

[@gaygamer2170]

@@sorbetcafe Realistically, how often do you have a ruby/diamond hook by the time you get to the underground jungle? Usually I only find myself having a sapphire/emerald hook, sometimes even less if I'm going to the underground jungle early or if I get unlucky. Case in point, I'm at the stage where I'll be exploring the underground jungle in my current run, and I only have an amethyst hook. Multiple hooks is also really nice, being able to be suspended in mid air is quite useful. Vines are also really easy to get lots of, and you're going to have a surplus anyways. Blade of grass is really only important until after Skeletron to get the knight's edge, and the snapthorn is only good for summoner builds. Amazon? Can't remember the last time I took a yoyo seriously. Maybe the axe of regrowth is better, but meh, prefer me an ivy hook any day, axe of regrowth only saves an axe slot.

[@creepcat03]

When I first started using the Terraria Wiki I very quickly discovered that it's a great place for concrete information and stat comparisons, such as how to craft things, how much damage enemy attacks do, how to obtain specific items, etc. But it's a terrible place for advice on how to actually play the game.

[@Pocketnaut]

Hearing the Medusa head even mentioned is crazy. I forget about it immediately after collecting it every playthrough

[@damnthisisabadname]

I agree so much on the 3ds take. No one cares about 3ds. Why make the wiki garbage because of it?

[@TripleOA]

Fargo's eternity mode guides are more useful for vanilla, hell the mutant guide alone is better for fighting vanilla bosses, I feel like the best option would be split pages in two, one for current patch, one for legacy

[@thatsaladprophet7051]

looks like this video has made some positive changes to the wiki! good work!

[@Yays_1]

The fact that you pronounced pho correctly is enough to make me happy despite the pain of the wiki

[@jessiealtgirl]

thank you sorbet the terraria wiki its uhh outdated at times yk many such cases

[@kaliyuga14surfer88]

MANY SUCH CASES!!

[@Yoruharu]

it's not outdated, it's just they are too lazy to remove some of these outdated stuff.

[@liviawannavibe]

Hey, I gotta tell you about the cosmic comedy of the situation you got me in cus of your funny comment. On the literal day that you wrote this, I watched an episode of a podcast called PST titled "Many Such Cases" in which they talked about the trump copypasta that you have to be referencing in you comment. Also, the fact that we're, you know, in the same comment section. Maybe I'm looking way too into this, but it's a fun coincidence nonetheless. Or you're my doppelganger or something.

[@connortg5]

@@Yoruharu so it's outdated

[@Yoruharu]

@@connortg5 it's not, it is clearly updated, but most old stuff is still there because they don't want to delete them for some reason.

[@chasefray]

listening to this video and hearing everything that the wiki got wrong (which was basically everything besides the part about elauncher, it's still solid for moon lord) mentally damaged me

[@Meowlegend7]

Let me fix that for you: you don’t have to use elauncher. Use Daybreak, Phantasm, Nebula Blaze and Firecracker with Stardust Dragon. That is all you need.

[@sorbetcafe]

Wouldn't you need to keep the moon lord pretty much stationary for the electrosphere launcher to do anything useful?

[@Meowlegend7]

​@@sorbetcafeSame goes for holy arrows.

[@chasefray]

@sorbetcafe somewhat? it's damage is still fine after the nerf and i don't think it was really necassary to say that it's that bad for ml but you can always just use phantasm anyways so it doesn't really matter

[@specs.weedle]

you could replace this wiki article with one written by chatgpt and no one would notice ANYTHING

[@Jerrycourtney]

*_We’re gonna make it out of the Underground Corruption Desert with this one boys!_*