Pro Terraria Player reads the Wiki

[@WaffleTime]

I remember the ol' wiki DEMANDING the use of Dunerider boots and a sand platform just for the Eye of Cthulhu, abhorrent

[@Koontz_Terraria]

Holy shit its the man Itself Waffletime

[@Beepers559]

I still remember that video, t’was a funny experience

[@1ndiebird]

What a fuckin' time

[@corryjamieson3909]

@@1ndiebird truly the time of waffle.

[@Palemis]

Oh sh- oh god oh fu- it's the Waffle Time himself 😲😲

[@billy65bob]

At first I saw going to say "Are you sure you're looking at the right wiki?". Bro was looking at the right wiki.

[@krafuae]

People overestimate wiki.gg WAY too much.

[@morphoose]

Next video: Pro Terraria Player reads Fandom wiki

[@sock1]

​@@morphooseNext video: I have retired from Terraria

[@venombeetle7473]

Ngl I finished expert Ranger and Support (I did get Terraprisma) with the fandom Wiki and Zuzucorn guides, only AFTER starting a mage did I try and look for all the mage weapon did I see… *PISS BEAM*

[@Beepers559]

@@morphooseif I may ask, just how bad is the fandom wiki? ‘Cause I only use the official one

[@vulpestellar]

As someone who uses the wiki almost exclusively for crafting recipes and drop rates (i love fishing) this video is actually hilarious I didn't know the wiki even had some of these pages

[@deadboyo2773]

Based fishing enjoyer

[@DudeTheMighty]

Same, friend, same. These articles are like those old strategy guide books from the 90's and early 2000's that were _full_ of factual errors.

[@nicktheguy_]

i just use it to get some enemy sprites or stats, i also didn't know the wiki had some of these pages

[@spiceforspice3461]

Same, I only use it because my memory is fallible for drop rates.

[@TerraKnight27]

funny that you mention fishing, the wiki used to claim golden carp can be caught on the surface

[@mattd824]

Telling new players to fight torch god after 2 heart crystals is CRAZY.

[@pgkr62pljks1]

Telling new players to fight torch god at any point is CRAZY.

[@tramtaku6553]

Think about it if they manage to beat him they are basically decent at the game now hats the ultimate accessory trust me beo

[@julienbronsch5039]

​@@pgkr62pljks1I mean its basically impossible to die to it once you got around 60 defense (in normal mode)

[@pgkr62pljks1]

@@julienbronsch5039 I know but why would you ever fight torch god in the first place? what's the point? being able to auto-place different color torches? I doubt any new player and even the vast majority of veteran players care about this perk at all. It being in a walkthrough as opposed to it just being relegated to a weird easter egg/side quest is baffling.

[@sorbetcafe]

most of the torches placed when you have torch god's favor will give you positive luck for the biome, which gives minor improvements to most randomly-determined things.

[@bobbob1876]

Minecraft walkthrough if it was written like this: Ender Pearls are very useful and can help you gather wood and explore your first cave. Go to the End, slay the Ender Dragon, and make an Ender Pearl farm, then punch down your first tree and make your first pickaxe! A Haste II beacon will help speed this up, so make sure to kill the Wither as well. Press E to open your inventory.

[@sugardude]

Haste II beacon LOL

[@Kickiusz]

This takes me back to a "surviving your first night" guide I used when I was first playing minecraft, which recommended to first dig a shelter into a hillside _by hand,_ before gathering any wood. Oh, and it didn't even mention stone tools exist.

[@mryoshii]

@@bobbob1876 E

[@tsunderevampire1396]

Terraria could take a page from the dwarf fortress wiki and have a multiple variations of pages for different versions. Although I understand that’s probably a lot of effort.

[@wahoo42069]

you're right, but to be honest, Terraria is definitely a community that would put in the work!

[@Yoruharu]

@@wahoo42069 ...except for this one case, i suppose.

[@throwawayusername]

it'd probably be easier in the long run I feel

[@Frrixy]

The binding of Isaac wiki has variations of every single page that are accurate to what DLC you're playing on, and to not give spoilers

[@carcinoGetenicist]

or they could just do the thing that literally every wiki does and keep a revision history. but that's too simple, you gotta cram all info ever into a single article.

[@Tyrian3k]

As you say, the problem is that they're not willing to get rid of old info or, even better, make a sub-page for the same item/boss/whatever for an older version so every bit of information is where it belongs and where it is helpful. The Ivy Whip being mentioned so much in particular probably goes back to the 1.0 and 1.1 days when it was the only other hook besides the basic grappling hook (talking pre-HM in 1.1).

[@Necrovia]

This makes alot more sense on why I was struggling with Terraria progression BADLY. I never understood why some items were super grindy and why some bosses were awful to fight. I had to learn about WINGS via buying them from the Witchdoctor. I was SHOCKED that Wings were an option to use and made the mechs no longer painful but BEATABLE. I mostly use wikis to help me play games and I couldn't really understand why people had such fun when I was over here struggling with Torch God.

[@BloodisFuel7]

huh? you're saying you weren't able to beat the mechs but you were able to beat plantera despite plantera being post-mechs?????????? leaf wings are post-plantera

[@Necrovia]

@@BloodisFuel7 There was a version of Terraria that had it where leaf wings were the weakest wings you could immeditaly get in Hardmode, before they were locked behind Plantera. I am not referring to the most modern version of Terraria when talking about my struggle( We're talking nearly 6ish years ago) but the older version of the wiki were fucked up equally as now. I know better now, but YEARS ago when I first started I had no idea that wings were a thing until I saw the Witchdoctor in the Jungle, by accident, and seeing the Leaf Wings.

[@BloodisFuel7]

@@Necrovia hmm.. maybe like.. 1.3? or 1.2? i dunno man

[@skong-o3x]

@@BloodisFuel7 leaf wings being post-plantera was changed in 1.4.4

[@be7256]

@@BloodisFuel7 leaf wings being post plantera were a relatively recent change one of the most popular things you used to hear in terraria tips videos was to save up a plat before hardmode starts to buy leaf wings immediately lol

[@bobbob1876]

I just learned about Terraria today, so first thing I did was find out where I can buy it. After going to the 14th page of Google search results, I found someone selling a used copy of the game on eBay, along with the Xbox 360 (from 2005) used to play it. Very excited to play! I sure hope the wiki has a ton of outdated info mixed in with relevant info!

[@somerandomdude7815]

(obligatory PC is better) i hope you have a lot of fun! if i remember correctly though, the ps3/xbox360 have not been updated, so if you want to continue, you will need to upgrade to pc or xbox1/ps4. as xbox360 stopped at duke fishron (aka between 1.3-1.4)

[@xcaedes]

@@somerandomdude7815 It stopped at 1.2

[@bobbob1876]

@@somerandomdude7815 Thank you so much! My comment was a joke about how unlikely people are to actually find the outdated wiki info relevant though, ahaha

[@thenewtriosguy]

ik this is a joke but I actually got a 360 with terraria preinstalled

[@Tree_-wp5zn]

We have a lot of favorites... Tree approves this message.

[@MadamLava094]

The insistence on including pre-1.4 info for EVERYTHING clogging up EVERY page is honestly the most baffling thing about the wiki to me

[@EmiWi]

Especially since tmodloader is now in the latest version of the game it's really just pointless.

[@Criz454]

i appreciate it idk why. like i dont want that information to be lost, but also please remove it from the main version of the page and move somewhere else entirely

[@uponeric36]

@@Criz454 Minecraft's wiki has a solution for this: It's called page revision history! Just look for a page edited during the time of the update you're interested in. That said, Dwarf Fortresses solution is more use friendly but also harder to implement, as you have to decided which versions are worthy enough to alternative pages for. I love wiki culture but this it more and more strongly become anti-edit over time. I see this same type of thing brewing on the Dwarf Fortress wiki mostly in the "community articles" type sections. Once someone adds something to a page, if it gets deemed as part of "community culture" in some way it basically never gets removed, like the piles of bad fan fiction cluttering various articles. My ideal wiki is informative only and it's always sad to see great articles held back by the community maintaining them, especially because old maintainers tend to drive new maintainers out to preserve decades old nonsense.

[@Gnurklesquimp2]

They could make it expandable at the bottom of a page instead

[@Lily-white]

@@uponeric36 binding of Isaac wiki is good

[@DekFocs]

On the flaming arrow page, it lists a 3ds/old gen console tip to use a molten fury with an endless quiver to get free arrows. 3ds/old gen console. Endless quiver. Whoever did the change literally just swapped the desktop version icon with the 3ds and old gen ones without checking if one of the included items was even around before 1.3

[@fishydids]

In addition, the absurdity of having a tip for free arrows when they are incredibly cheap to buy and craft

[@FFKonoko]

​@@fishydids ...and of a tip to get free arrows, after you already have the infinite quiver?

[@glauberglousger956]

Isn't the Sharanga available for 3ds?

[@JJSquirtle]

I'm more mad that they don't recommend the Sharanga. Slappiest bow in old console. Sometimes I play old console just to relive that power trip

[@Gulliblepikmin]

I think the mistake was actually caused due to the template that creates the icons itself, as setting an instance of it to display pre-1.4 icons seems to cause it to automatically display the old gen console and 3DS icons. Whoever added it likely didn't have a good understanding of how the platform icon template worked.

[@Goat_gamering]

3:45 As somebody with a perfectly functional windows phone, I may have gotten a very very stupid idea.

[@-_.-__]

show us

[@fafufafu5784]

@@-_.-__ they cant the phone might burn from screen recording

[@B1esky]

it's totally possible to find old apks of legacy mobile edition and it's honestly a great experience (aside from the quality of life downgrades ;p)

[@Gidon147]

@@B1esky A WIndows Phone does not work with apks, it works with .exe, because its a Windows Phone. A Damn shame that they didn't take off, modern windows phones would be absolutely amazing.

[@vibaked]

My first playthrough of Terraria ever was on a Nokia Lumia 620 back in 2014. Please Google the device, the screen is TINY

[@rmiki96]

These guides are the equivalent of telling a Fallout New Vegas newbie to go to Quarry Junction first to get some good loot early

[@deadboyo2773]

It's like telling someone to never play through a game before modding it heavily

[@elnalaombrebois5665]

@@deadboyo2773 honestly, I could say that for fallout 4...

[@deadboyo2773]

@@elnalaombrebois5665 difference being you should try fallout 4 with some mods to make it playable, as opposed to playing with a massive overhaul to start with

[@rmiki96]

@@deadboyo2773 I mean, I agree but to be fair following The Midnight Ride is pretty much the best way to experience base Fallout 4, even if you don't plan to mod it further. It might take a while to setup but it's just sooooo worth it.

[@emperortoho]

@@deadboyo2773 i mean if you’re playing sonic adventure or sonic adventure 2 you need a buttload of mods just to restore them to how they functioned before 50 bajillion ports and a crappy gamecube remake

[@Bismarck501]

2:26 OK but if you could throw your arrows like a bloons tower defense dart monkey that would go absurdly hard

[@Painjusu]

@@Bismarck501 im not a monkey :( (Bloons was a dart game before the tower defense thing, where u had to aim the arrows to pop a set amount of b l o o n s)

[@jimijenkins2548]

@@Painjusu No it wasn't, bloons was a carnival game first.

[@diamonje]

@@jimijenkins2548 Before they made Bloons Tower Defense they made the game Bloons. Which was just popping a set amount of Bloons on a level with a limited amount of darts and also from a fixed position. But yes, based on the carnival game of course. Someone made a video about all the different Bloons games.

[@Shyguymask]

Still better and more reliable than the average big terratube channel guide or "weapon review" video

[@Meowlegend7]

Let me guess, the "Coin gun beats the Zenith DPS", "Vampire Knives are overrated" and "Sniper Rifle is good against crowds" guy?

[@thexwhats2989]

Strange seeing a KZbinr that stopped uploading in KZbin comments

[@JenyaFio]

@@thexwhats2989 How is it strange? Stopping to make videos doesn't mean you have to stop commenting.

[@thexwhats2989]

Just they usually disappear

[@zannax351]

​@@thexwhats2989SGM has always been an active commenter in communities for games he's passionate about like terraria and bloons

[@haidenn6650]

One of my favorite lines from the Terraria Wiki is, on the trivia for the Blindfold, "a real-life blindfold usually disables the wearer's sight instead of preventing sight-deteriorating effects." Like, wow, never would've thought! They also seem to take everything Red says completely seriously, like on the Guide's page in the trivia it says "according to Redigit, the Guide is the Wall of Flesh, the brother of the ninja inside King Slime, the great-grandson of the Nymph, and the son of the Moon Lord. *It's unknown whether these statements are jokes."* Like seriously???? You don't even need to look at the context of what Red said to know that him being the great grandson of the Nymph (not to mention while simultaneously being the son of the Moon Lord) is a complete joke, no one was supposed to take that seriously in the slightest

[@DeXyfero]

Family tree: Nymph: 1 child Child grows up, then makes bebe with moonlord, creating two beings: The guide, and the ninja. Wiki people: yep, seems factual to me!

[@mnmnrt]

you when it turns out to be true in the next update

[@a_random_lizard]

If you read the lore, and you follow this logic, that means Moon Lord killed his mother's kind, and how is thay gonna work? Moon Lord is a literal GOD! and Dryads were the protectors of the Terraria Universe

[@DeXyfero]

@@a_random_lizard either that or moon lord had a child with a nymph, which I’d argue makes more sense than him killing his entire race. Still bonkers tho

[@n484l3iehugtil]

Joke or not, it still came from Word of God, and deserves to be mentioned. Especially if it's just trivia

[@icedt513]

a lesser known fact about Lifeforce Potions is that they're technically obtainable pre-Skeletron because Gold Chests that generate close enough to the underworld contain primary Cavern loot and secondary Underworld loot, including Lifeforce Potions (it also results in being able to obtain Meteorite Bars pre-evil boss because they're part of the secondary Underworld loot). the problem is that this piece of information is HIDDEN IN THE TIPS SECTION OF THE METEORITE BAR ARTICLE, it doesn't even get mentioned on the article for Gold Chests which is fairly informative regarding Underground and Cavern loot that can be obtained. it's so bad that i only knew of this fact by RANDOMLY reading the Meteorite Bar article to remember how many bars i need for everything, and not because i thoroughly read the Gold Chest article to get an idea of how likely i am to get the item i want

[@julienbronsch5039]

It *does* get meantioned in the arcticle for chests overall though. "Cavern Gold Chests that spawn within 250 blocks of the bottom of the world will generate the same common items as Shadow Chests." But I also only kmow it by the Terraria Veterans video where one of the guys there used the laser gun agianst his first fight agianst Eye of Cuthulu

[@SarisWinterwisp]

"Please throw your arrows by hand" is amazing

[@emred4653]

"dont delete pre 1.5 stuff" sounds like one of the boss really wants stuff they wrote not to get deleted and refuses to change it

[@julienbronsch5039]

I think you meant 1.4? Cause 1.5 doesnt even exist yet

[@b1oodzy]

I contributed a lot to the class setups page, specifically Summoner, and the wiki editors kept reverting it because they were absolutely clueless, they didn't even know that Firecracker + Stardust Dragon is better than Kaleidoscope + Terraprisma.

[@Shyguymask]

That's not really the case though. Dragon Cracker has higher raw DPS, but in practice the vastly higher range of Kaleidoscope combined with the vastly more reliable & responsive AI of Terraprisma makes Kaleidoscope + Terraprisma better and more practical against Moon Lord in whip builds.

[@b1oodzy]

@@Shyguymask Yeah but to be honest this debate isn't as important as it used to be since the discovery of mixing Terraprisma with Dragons.

[@manusiaorang2842]

​@@b1oodzywhat do you mean 'since the discovery' HOW LONG DID IT TAKE

[@manusiaorang2842]

for it to be discovered

[@b1oodzy]

@@manusiaorang2842 I'm not sure, I only knew about it in January of this year but I suspect it was discovered earlier.

[@Kynrasian]

A friend of mine started playing Terraria a couple weeks ago, so we started an expert mode playthrough together. At one point, he went looking for the Sharanga because the wiki mentioned it on the class setups page. The Sharanga... in PC Terraria 1.4.4.9

[@mnmnrt]

what's the sharanga?

[@hyperplayability6290]

@@mnmnrt old gen console exclusive bow, crafted with 2 Molten Fury bows IIRC I haven't booted up old gen console in years (I still have the console) It converts wooden arrows to spectral arrows IIRC (also old-gen exclusive)

[@DownBadAutistic]

This is like telling a new stardew player to go to skull caverns as quickly as possible and use the watering can and parsnip seeds as your weapon

[@paulog73]

12:24 i think they're saying you should look out for critters dying at night, because then you will know where there are zombies. Seems extremely situational, but at least has a use, i guess

[@vilkillian]

7:53 i like how razorblade typhoon is a recommended mage weapon sitting next to *LITERAL WAND OF SPARKING*

[@sphereoffice7789]

To be fair, WoS and WoF is buffed in both remixed and gfb seeds

[@darkfiredragon3410]

Yeah, there's a note under WoS/WoF that specifies they only matter in DDU/GFB worlds; they're basically a magic version of the Uzi there (except for projectile speed ofc, since the Uzi converts Musket Balls and Tungsten Bullets into High Velocity Bullets).

[@teddabear8890]

I feel like half the people making the wiki were trying to make a linear guide to the best strategy and loadout for each section of the game, and the rest were trying to give a detailed account of every item available at each stage so that the players could read through the corresponding pages and pick a load out that works for them. Both of these are pretty valid strategies... but then neither side bothered to communicate their goals to the other and both parties gave up half way through.

[@elliejohnson2786]

Literally how is the calamity wiki better than this?? I never even noticed these issues because I only use specific pages for specific info. This isn't even a fandom wiki issue because this isn't the fandom wiki!! HOW

[@midnightemerald]

hi, it’s me the person who made the first deerclops strategy page when it was released. im gonna be real, i copied like all of it from queen bee and made minor changes, not sure how long its been since then actually

[@sorbetcafe]

lmao, that's incredible

[@KwikBR]

LMAO WHAT

[@jayjasespud]

That's.. kinda awful.

[@KekkusMaximus]

Being unwilling to remove outdated content because on a couple of platforms it might still be relevant is really weird when you could just simply make a dedicated page that is dedicated to those versions while keeping the standard one up to date and conflict free. Great video as always, you're an extremely knowledgeable and passionate person and I hope that one day you'll get the attention that you deserve.

[@TheZombiesAreComing]

They could easily dedicate a "Patch changes" section like wow's wiki does to include changes from different updates though that involves reading ALOT of patch logs. Personally I think it's an effect of a shrinking community. A game with a large robust community rarely struggles with the wiki. A game with a small/shrinking community. Good luck getting a half decent wiki

[@Vici0uSquirrel]

Anyone who hasn’t seen the second point under “Trivia” for the Hexxed Branch should check it out, the last part has some life changing advice

[@smolbrendan5978]

oh my god you're right it is life changing

[@nimajneb8897]

Beautiful trivia lmao

[@DschlangoeTheMighty]

Wow I didn't read that properly the first time You weren't kidding, that was life changing

[@-_.-__]

mind blown

[@coreflakes]

real life trees rarely move at all 🔥✍️

[@NexusBecauseWhyNot]

BROOO I FELL FOR THAT TIP ABOUT THE SHROOMERANG! I basically made 11 worlds where all I did was look for shoomerang, by the 6th world I downloaded TEdit and searched for the item via that tool and found nothing. In. So. Many. Worlds. Until I got it to drop from a shroom bat randomly in another playthrough. That guy should be banned form ever editing any wiki ever again

[@KingCassowary531]

I swear if these people want to keep all pre 1.4 advice they just need a separate walkthrough for different versions of the game

[@MaskedBall497RS]

6 minutes ago Comment made 21h ago Bro is time travelling 💀💀

[@tempy2440]

Or has early access to videos.

[@tempy2440]

High key surprised they don't do the dwarf fortress wiki style version changes

[@idkcba]

Separate wiki's more like. Have the normal wiki and then the horribly outdated one

[@antrobot]

They should do it like the binding of isaac wiki does where you have page versions for each different major release (in isaacs case: rebirth, afterbirth, afterbirth+, and repentance)

[@SpiderJAAM]

Ah yes... I killed Duke Pre-Mecs, I wonder How should I kill the mecs now. 💀

[@venomousslime6797]

In a normal playthrough, the only times I fight Duke pre-Plantera is when I'm REALLY struggling on a boss (sometimes bosses), and desperately want to defeat said boss.

[@Digganigga35]

True, how are you supposed to kill mechs with weapons you can kill final boss with (like razorblade Typhon)

[@anhduc0913]

@@Digganigga35 with your eyes closed lol.

[@vanconojl]

@@anhduc0913 xD

[@ilovemywhiteshoes]

@@Digganigga35 the moon never had the cheese I wanted. this is why we’re killing the moon lord. also because the moon just sucks in general

[@gardrone]

In the deerclops guide it lists that "In Expert Mode, Shield of Cthulhu's dash is essential and makes the fight considerably easier." HAS NOBODY ON THE WIKI FOUGHT DEERCLOPS ON EXPERT BEFORE?

[@z4molxe690]

What why? I barely ever fight Deer, why would the Shield be bad for him?

[@gardrone]

@@z4molxe690 fighting deerclops is done by quickly running under his legs when he is about to attack, if you use the shield of cthulhu you will bash into his legs and bounce back directly into his slam.

[@z4molxe690]

@@gardrone aha. I didnt think the shield would hit and bounce under his legs since iirc, he doesnt have a hitbox there. You learn something new in this game everyday. I guess the wiki writers thought that the shield would be good for dodging attacks if you actually tried fighting it head on (where it would help).

[@xhbirohx2214]

@@z4molxe690 fighting it head on IS running thru the legs

[@lainhikaru5657]

​@padlyo7150 my tactic is cheesier but efficient and can be done with little hp. Se a house near where you are fighting deerclops with a chair and campfire. Not near enough where it can aggro you if you teleport. Then set a campfire in the place you gonna figgt deerclops. Hit him face tanking and when ho us low use teleport potions. (Magic mirrors might not work well ) Sit on the chair to recharge hp faster. Recommended silver/tungsten armor+ and regen potion and iron skin potion.

[@duprica]

I remember the squire helm used to give +4 HP/s but they nerfed that three thousand years ago.. Coupled with the lack of wings, something tells me the guide maker was stacking regen because they get hit by everything.

[@satibel]

back in my day we used a slime statue for invulnerability

[@steepslopesmm2]

I like ivy whip though so it should definitely be listed twice as a key progression item

[@Iron_Cutlass]

The issue with the Terraria wiki is that it's basically a mess solely due to the wiki transition from the Fandom website to the Wiki website (formerly abandoned). The Fandom website is basically being left behind as a result of Fandom cluttering their websites with adds and generally not improving anything for people who work on website itself, so they have been transitioning slowly to the Wiki website, which as a result, has basically been left it in shambles since they are basically forced to make a lot of half assed corrections as quickly as possible, which ironically has resulted in a large amount of misinformation and constrictions as a result.

[@tekt_real]

Having personally fixed up and written pages for a different wiki, it's definitely extremely annoying to see obvious lies written as fact. Or the writers personal opinions just thrown in for no reason. (Ivy Whip)

[@nylonswordsman]

6:21 "Why is the Ivy Whip shown explicitly? It's the only item shown on the entire guide!", Dumbledore asked calmly.

[@thenickstrikebetter]

Right as I got to that part. Nice.

[@jasonthe4th]

my favorite instance of this type of situation on the wiki is the Paladin's Hammer page, saying it potentially has higher DPS than Terra Blade

[@Shyguymask]

lol what

[@Meowlegend7]

I like the Paladin's hammer but what

[@glauberglousger956]

I mean... Maybe on older mobile versions, but uh Terra Blade's stronger (although depending on the version, the difference varies

[@gawain0]

I wanna say it was like, 1.2.4 (or maybe it was like, 1.2.8? I don't think it was 1.3 yet. iirc duke fishron wasn't a thing yet, so the 'final boss' of the game was basically golem...) Anyway, back in those days when mimics spawned from chest statues dropped their stuff (and if you had it set up in the dungeon, they could even spawn dungeon spirits cause mimics had 500 HP), paladin's hammer was heralded as like, 'the best weapon'. Disclaimer: this was back in like, 2016 when I had first played terraria and I very much do not remember the specifics other than that random factoids about mimics (don't even remember if they dropped all their stuff, just money, or just spawned dungeon spirits, leading to easy ectoplasm farms). I just remember making a big farm with lava at the bottom and traps and everything (I think for events? Maybe pumpkin moon?) and that the paladins hammer was my go to weapon, and that there was prolly a reason for that, and that I prolly hadn't come to the conclusion that it was 'the best weapon' myself.

[@justajurble6793]

I will never forgive the wiki for telling younger me that gem robes and staves were a great idea against the WoF

[@user-mq1ng6sj7b]

5:52 I was listening to this while tabbed out so I was going to initially say "oh, they clearly just meant the shrimpy truffle, that's a typo for sure" And then I read what was on screen and realized they also listed the shrimpy truffle before it...

[@timbtw3656]

its actually insane that a bunch of these guides have a revised status

[@mnmnrt]

what does that mean?

[@KhangAJ]

@@mnmnrt means that those guides was "updated" recently enough to have the correct information

[@zachmercer1065]

These guides sound more like someone having an argument with their friends about what weapons and items are good in Terraria than a coherent guide for new players, let alone any players…

[@gmannn-yd8ie]

All hail the Ivywhip.

[@sorbetcafe]

All hail the Ivywhip.

[@Goat_gamering]

All hail the Ivywhip

[@Waaz732]

All hail the Ivywhip. Hands down the first thing you should craft with jungle materials 🔛🔝

[@crazyjack746]

My friend crafted that instead of the snapthorn. I pushed him into the hellivator

[@gaygamer2170]

Unironically it's usually the first jungle drop I make. Best pre-hardmode hook under normal circumstances. Don't rag it until you try it, you'll get enough of the materials for the other stuff during normal exploration unless you're going for jungle armor.

[@gaminggeckos4388]

8:51 The Zenith is a very powerful weapon, and has higher DPS than the Cactus Sword.

[@SIXSHAMAN]

12:11 Someone tried to make the text as precise as possible. Paradoxically, these precise technical details only make the text less understandable.

[@duckers3240]

Yo, now we see what "The Gamer" journalists do in free time

[@MystifyingMister]

did anyone else notice that at 0:16 it says shacklf instead of shackle

[@godslayer9000]

Looking at the thumbnail, after playing nothing but infernum for the past half year, i thought "yeah lifeforce's a pretty good pick for surviving a couple more hits". How has this gone unnoticed so long

[@mnmnrt]

what's the problem?

[@merasmus9992]

@@mnmnrthardmode potion, can only get a small few from the underworld

[@dusaprukiyathan1613]

@@merasmus9992 More importantly, getting lifeforce potions from the underworld is done by opening the POST-SKELETRON shadow chests.

[@merasmus9992]

@@dusaprukiyathan1613 i still remember the mobile version of terraria when the mechs came out, a DRAX could spawn in the underwold gold chests

[@kane_lives]

@@dusaprukiyathan1613 The shadow chests aren't truly post Skeletron. You can explore the dungeon even on Legendary if you stack Armor+Regen and spawn enough bees with self made Bee hives. Eventually you will get a couple of golden keys from random wood chests/pots and get the coveted Shadow key.

[@bigmike8586]

I kinda wish there was a PC-only version of the official wiki, having to visually sift through a bunch of information on a page because "oh well the 3DS version technically exists i guess so we'd better put all the information right alongside the info that actual human beings use"

[@foxyy2048]

more like a 3DS-only and WINDOWS PHONE-only because at this point all the other versions are the same

[@An_Entire_Lime]

​@@foxyy2048 Hell it doesn't even have to be a different wiki, just make one big set of pages cataloging everything different about the old relic versions.

[@zsasha2004]

Didnt mention the keybrand on the class setups which is quite confusing unless you're on the zenith seed Iol

[@matthewgrobel5587]

I remember as a challenge run following a ranger guide someone else posted to KZbin. They must’ve compiled the guide completely from the wiki because they recommended the phoenix blaster pre skeletron.

[@Yays_1]

The fact that you pronounced pho correctly is enough to make me happy despite the pain of the wiki

[@WLMapping]

fighting moon lord with a mega shark is like fighting the ender dragon with a stone sword it barely works

[@morplul262]

"tewwaspawk bwoots"

[@ghastlywraith2214]

Wow thanks for making this video, bc its really eye-opening to me on just how wrong or confusing even the official wiki can be sometimes

[@bronzdeck6412]

Jesus, I felt less pain is Sorbet's voice when they massacred Moon Lord with a lawnmover its that bad

[@maroskovacic146]

the ivy whip thing is actually hilarious

[@electrospaghetti8388]

Way back in 1.1 there was only 3 grapples in the entire game: the grapple, ivy whip, and dual hook. I would put money that every single mention of Ivy whip was written back before gem hooks were introduced in 1.2.

[@notfunnydidntlaugh5270]

They also said that it's good because it has multiple hooks. The mechanic that pretty much nobody ever uses.

[@Meowlegend7]

​@@notfunnydidntlaugh5270I value multihooks.

[@gaygamer2170]

@@notfunnydidntlaugh5270 I use multiple hooks all the time. Great if you want to be suspended in mid-air, such as when you shimmer stuff. Ivy Whip also has the second greatest range of any pre-hardmode hook obtainable under normal circumstances, the greatest speed, and you are unlikely to have a decent hook by the time you start exploring the jungle. The ivy whip is a great and cheap upgrade to an item you use all the time in boss fights and general exploration, I don't get the ragging on it, it's not like spores and vines are a precious resource.

[@finnishamerican]

found the guy that added the ivy whip to the walkthrough

[@TogiDX]

> you can run through deerclops' legs .. How did I not know this.

[@thehumanstunlock7588]

because we usually jump over and behind her as she uses the ice spikes. it IS hella telegraphed.

[@Krell356]

Don't worry. I didn't either at first, but it is fun to dodge ice spikes by just running between his legs.

[@glauberglousger956]

​@@thehumanstunlock7588Deerclops is female?

[@thehumanstunlock7588]

@@glauberglousger956 according to multiple people i've heard refer to it as "her", yes, but i cannot confirm.

[@drq_seed]

​@@thehumanstunlock7588Iam apart of the don't starve community and we indeed confirm deerclops is a she

[@random32i8]

this is why you never look at the tips section on the wiki, only use it to learn how to obtain items, dont trust any of the tips it gives you

[@atg4eva]

I saw this video and thought it came out a coulpe months ago, thinking "wow the guide really sucked back then, its probably much better now" and then saw that the video came out 2 hours ago

[@Stone_RedSkye]

I need more videos like this. For way too long the wiki was my one of my only sources of Terraria information and now i KNOW it was holding me back

[@jaronheirofsunlight]

I learned Terraria because of the bad wiki. Cause I had to look through and do so much research that I learned like everything. Not sure if thats a good thing but I would definitely say the wikis straight up misinformation is a problem for new players. What helped me was specifically the item progression page.

[@jevanstokely9765]

I need a weapon guide ASAP. Your information is so concise and helpful and I’m so awful at figuring out what’s useful when

[@Jerrycourtney]

*_We’re gonna make it out of the Underground Corruption Desert with this one boys!_*

[@pocketnaut]

Hearing the Medusa head even mentioned is crazy. I forget about it immediately after collecting it every playthrough

[@purplehaze2358]

The frustration in Sorby's voice made this video at least 300% better.

[@jfbbridurnfbbfbbhhvggghvfkhfuj]

1:20 "Or eating a tree! From an apple."

[@Not_Lost_Leviathan]

When I started playing Terraria on computer about 2-3 years ago, my friend told me not to ever use the wiki and I didn't. Now i know why! Why is like half the information wrong, old, or just not there!!! Great video

[@TheTundraTerror]

The wiki is find if you need to know drop sources or crafting recipes. Other than that, yeah, it's pretty bad.

[@shunderstock8080]

When I started terraria I wanted to play mage, and then I witnessed that for eye of cthulhu I needed the wizard hat, so I waited for Tim to spawn for quite some time, and...figured out it's best not to rely on wiki for stuff like this

[@An_Entire_Lime]

You use the wiki to look up what items do and how to obtain them and just ignore the spider web of guides and weapon comparisons

[@valeriucb6497]

Instead of having everything clumped up together and preventing the deletion of outdated content the walkthrough should be split up and have dedicated pages for each major version then updated accordingly , with 1.3 , 1.4 and even 1.2.12785 if that tickles thy fancy , it's the version I started on and I still have it on my phone for nostalgia sake. I'd freaking love to contribute to the walkthroughs myself and organize/edit data. Still credit where credit is due props for the effort of the people maintaining the wiki , still must be difficult and I'm sure it's tough to please an entire community.

[@Sancheroid]

I never saw that, i just searched for specific accessories or weapons. Also my sanity is way lower now too, this is absolutely ridiculous. Vote sorbet for wiki president!

[@kevlap017]

The wand of sparking disrespect on the wiki is sacrilegious.

[@arcadiacmaniac]

You have no idea how many wiki articles i've gone through and fixed one time, i changed the video visage as it said it was post skeletron i mentioned that it is obtainable at the beginning of the game through shimmering active/inactive stone blocks to obtain wires and it got reverted to post skeletron 2 days later

[@Daniel_Home]

I like the thought that the person who wrote the wiki somehow beat the entire game without using wings once.

[@duduvec5971]

Based summoner pilled ivy whip enjoyer ai generated looking wiki vs soy hardcore common sense wise femboy. Gotta be on my top 10 crossovers of all time.

[@uponeric36]

I started with your mining and defense tutorial and it literally changed how I played Terraria. It's like after 200 hours of not quite understanding something my third eye way opened and now nothing is in my way anymore, expert is a breeze. I can't say I'm surprised with the quality of the wiki, never in all my time playing did I ever consider trying all the different pickaxes, I just usually used the highest pick power available.

[@tunbag]

About duke.. they don't say tsunami is obliged and necessary, it's just ONE of the option. it doesn't mean people can live without whole guide if they can beat one boss. for me duke is easier than queen slime and mechs, that's why i beat him as the first hardmode boss (I RECORDED, not lying). it was my FIRST EVER master mode playthrough, i played melee and just needed the flairon. i'm not skilled and couldn't even tank their attacks with my high defense, especially the twins, the duke has fun and consistent pattern. that's also why i did daytime eol before golem, the difficulty is subjective. and i don't consider myself as skilled player, i almost died to the golem several times Upd.: i didn't cheese him but nothing stops you from it, so it would be even better and won't take any skill All aside this can be actually useful on get fixed boi seed. If i start it i gonna kill the duke as the fist hm boss for easier kill of mechdusa. That's because he's literally unchanged, i have to dodge him samely almost without hits, but that will save my time for mechdusa arena and more. And many people did that Upd. 2: about the shrimpy truffle.. i used it to overdamage plantera by putting more offensive and defensive accessories in free slots, i pulled bubble lines with the honey Upd. 3: i also beat skeletron before the brain of cthulhu / queen bee / deerclops. idk why people find him difficult, i just reforged all to warding via shimmer and used the thorn chakram. he hasn't any difficult attack, all you have is to dodge his homing skulls which is pretty easy even without the slime mount. i find queen bee harder because of fast attacks and debuffs, eater of worlds too because of shooting (almost died to him with post-fishron gear) and especially brain of cthulhu with its 2nd phase where you need to FOCUS So i genuinely used dark lance for boc and night's edge for qb idk why people don't do that but it's their choice and it's fine

[@Deroyse]

same. i remember almost dying to the golem and lunatic cultist with post-duke and -eol gear. the difficulty is completely subjective and that proves all. also i like how the wiki shows you ALL possible variants of weapons instead of one scheme "always use the terra blade till the end blah blah blah" making the game more variable and interesting, you DON'T HAVE TO use tsunami but you CAN and it's fine

[@bruhhby5024]

I'm not reading all that

[@samlucitor]

Pretty smart strategy with the duke and skeletron, the golem can be really difficult in the tight place, i'm lazy to use honey or outside arena so for me it was easier to obtain terraprisma and deal with him in 15 seconds, i can say that on get fixed boi the duke is actually EASIER than mechdusa and especially its preps

[@cruncyart]

@@bruhhby5024 then why comment?

[@SeaToon]

10:12 I cannot even begin to believe and express how stupid ridiculous this is

[@zacharyclarkson103]

just got a shackle now moonlord is easy

[@tannerklotz3539]

Good luck soldier o7

[@neffrey]

he doesn’t even know that he’s cooked without the squire helm

[@kevin-7091]

8:22 The voicecracks are amazing 💀

[@SomeRand0mNerd]

10:29 tbf that is the TRIVIA section

[@zoont_]

To be fair, the class setups guide helps as a list of available weapons at each stage of the game

[@caosin3667]

Was hoping this was fandom wiki

[@NotRealAkira]

Honestly if they care about preservation for old info so much, why didn't they just save a different page for each major update instead of making it confusing like this?

[@An_Entire_Lime]

I don't think they care about preservation that much, they just got used to including all versions because it was actually relevant (when Tmod and the regular game were on different versions for example) and not that intrusive. But then ended up continuing to do it out of habit even after it stopped being useful and became very intrusive.

[@Gyniany]

6:20 I'm dying 💀

[@Fihous]

I love watching sorbet have a mental breakdown reading the wiki can we get more of this

[@Pronzershrecken]

Not even gonna lie to ya, wiki fooled me with the Scaly Truffle and the Shrimpy Truffle cuz of that page lol, i spent an eternity building the biome to get it and was hit by the slow and non-infinite flight reality :(

[@fghjconner]

Honestly, I actually appreciate the vague advice on the class guides. It's a nudge in the right direction that lets you experiment with the available options yourself. Definitely can see the other side for people who want a true guide though.

[@2Siders]

Besides keeping the pre 1.4 pages separately, I wish the console 3DS crafting recipes (that are almost always different) were kept hidden in a spoiler div, or on a separate page altogether. It’s really annoying when reading, and sometimes you mistake the recipe

[@anxzyty6699]

I watched this video 3 months after it was uploaded, but I've been using the wiki's walkthru guides religiously for the past 2 months-ish and it's nowhere near as confusing as it is in this video! i want to think this video had huge hand on improving those pages

[@bbarbiter]

When I first did a playthrough of terraria almost a decade ago, I didn't look at the wiki once. I think for the best experience, you shouldn't either. It's so much more fun to find out things on your own, not knowing what you're gonna come across.

[@silentxwxlf]

i wish there was some updated form of viewing recipes in vanilla terraria because having to talk to the guide constantly and write down important recipes necessary for progression is a little infuriating to me

[@DreamyAileen]

Ehh, it depends. In my opinion the best way to experience Terraria for the first time is to play it with a friend who has a little more knowledge of the game. Just because half the game's content is locked behind Hardmode, which is only hinted at in a single Guide tip that the player probably won't ever see because by that point in the game you wouldn't think to talk to the Guide anymore.

[@nesraspongx58]

2:27 in and i already keep having to remind myself this is the wiki not an ai generated guide

[@99dwi]

the only time i craft ivy whip when i got too much jungle material and my hooks was still low tier lmao

[@CloutmasterPhluphyy]

Ngl, I'd expect this from fandom, but wiki gg is CRAZY

[@SolunaStarlight]

Yeah, I'm kind of disappointed tbh and I'm wondering if there's anything we can do about it. I absolutely love wikis and open source everything, including information. It's been a few months so maybe things are better? Not sure though.

[@raidcrhonos]

Wait there's no negative luck anymore?! Fuck I've been minmaxxing torches for nothing

[@sorbetcafe]

yeah, torch luck is only ever positive. The only way you can get negative luck is by killing ladybugs or town NPCs and it's a very brief duration. Torch luck will always be between 0.0 and 0.2. Using the wrong torches will bring you down from 0.2 to 0.0, but it will never bring you to a negative luck.

[@venomousslime6797]

@@sorbetcafe also, although it's rather specific, fishing with ladybugs as bait.

[@Redddragon]

The right torches still give you a nice useful luck boost

[@nut897]

Negative torch luck was one of the only L updates I can recall them making with the game. they removed it after a few days of getting slammed for it.

[@nathandesilva4781]

Iirc, negative torch luck got removed within the month it was added, since it ruined drop chances for everyone across the board.

[@thatonedude-tf3vj]

The lifeforce one is lowkey true In hell theres a small chance lifeforce potions can be found Although do that you need to beat skeleton so it wont work unless you have ungodly luck and somehow have a wooden and gold chest spawn above the dungeon guardians spawn point

[@terrariaskeletonpre1.0.39]

2:20 erm 🤓☝, you can actually get lifeforce potions inside golden chests just above the hell layer, though extremely rare and a complete waste to use on a pre-hardmode boss

[@teamprkr2550]

I didn’t even realize there was a full walkthrough, I occasionally use the class setups page just to know what weapons and armor are available at each stage for classes, what is this 😭

[@Saltience]

i swear this guide was written by the actual guide from terraria

[@Meowlegend7]

Except the Guide NPC is actually good.

[@FicusLicker]

the disrespect to the guide is insane here. that mf is GOATED.

[@colon44]

guide is actually good tho

[@bluerious5475]

The guide tells you how to move on through every stage of the game and craft every item, hop off my goat

[@Kweli-kw3dj]

Stop disrespecting my guide bro tf he do to you

[@BlessedJecka]

thank you sorbet the terraria wiki its uhh outdated at times yk many such cases

[@kaliyuga14surfer88]

MANY SUCH CASES!!

[@Yoruharu]

it's not outdated, it's just they are too lazy to remove some of these outdated stuff.

[@liviawannavibe]

Hey, I gotta tell you about the cosmic comedy of the situation you got me in cus of your funny comment. On the literal day that you wrote this, I watched an episode of a podcast called PST titled "Many Such Cases" in which they talked about the trump copypasta that you have to be referencing in you comment. Also, the fact that we're, you know, in the same comment section. Maybe I'm looking way too into this, but it's a fun coincidence nonetheless. Or you're my doppelganger or something.

[@connortg5]

@@Yoruharu so it's outdated

[@Yoruharu]

@@connortg5 it's not, it is clearly updated, but most old stuff is still there because they don't want to delete them for some reason.