Problematic Hadith Portraying Violence | Part 12 | Dr. Shabir Ally

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In part 12 of our series on #hadith, we look at hadith which seem to promote violence against others. Dr. Shabir Ally reminds us that when we take a balanced approach to hadith, we must first ask whether the hadith is actually from the #Prophet (peace be upon him) or not. The #Quran describes the Prophet as a mercy to the worlds, so is it consistent with the Quran to see him as cruel and promoting indiscriminate violence against his fellow human beings? Each hadith must be tested rationally, not just the chain of narrators which first conveyed the hadith, but also its consistency with the primacy of the Quran and its message. Dr. Shabir gives us an example of a well-known hadith which is sometimes quoted as proof that Islam in its entirety is a non-peaceful and violent religion.
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@MicahRowell
@MicahRowell Жыл бұрын
I reverted a little over a week ago. Dr. Shabir's rationality and deep intellect was a big contributing factor to taking shahada. May Allah bless you and this channel.
@jodi9361
@jodi9361 Жыл бұрын
same here!
@MicahRowell
@MicahRowell Жыл бұрын
@@jodi9361 Alhamdulillah!
@blackdog8771
@blackdog8771 Жыл бұрын
You should have investigate it more .
@malikaeastonAllahfirstanfamily
@malikaeastonAllahfirstanfamily Жыл бұрын
Alhamdulillah, may Allah SWT continue to guide you. Your journey of love and peace and kindness as a Muslim. Humbles ❤
@blackdog8771
@blackdog8771 Жыл бұрын
@@malikaeastonAllahfirstanfamily kindness as a muslim? Surah 9:29?
@ahmfarooq1823
@ahmfarooq1823 Жыл бұрын
Quran is the word of Almighty Allah and it is the Forqaan(criteria). Every narration should be judged by the Quran and reason. If it doesn’t fit to the test it should be avoided.
@zak992
@zak992 Жыл бұрын
I agree, many of the hadith also lack context as to why the prophet of Allah pbuh said what he said and what were the circumstances he was addressing this can lead to some very controversial hadith around war, women, minority rights, music etc and these are picked up by muslim haters who can point to these hadith and paint islam and our prophet in a very distorted way
@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411
@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411 Жыл бұрын
I test commentators claims by the evidence and sources they cite. You've given nothing so I will throw your opinion in the dust bin.
@josephbarnabas3568
@josephbarnabas3568 Ай бұрын
Correct
@josephbarnabas3568
@josephbarnabas3568 Ай бұрын
​@@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411the evidence is the Quran. So read the Quran to know the law of Allah.
@ahmfarooq1823
@ahmfarooq1823 Ай бұрын
@@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411 Brother, I don’t comment without knowing the evidence. So let me give you the evidence from the Hadith of Sahi Bukhari: Narrated Aisha: “…………Prophet (pbuh) said, ‘Why do some people impose some conditions which ate not in Allah’s Book? Whoever imposes such condition as is not in Allah’s Book, that condition is invalid if he imposes one hundred conditions, for Allah’s conditions are more binding and reliable. ( Sahi Bukhari, Hadith # 2155)
@farukchoudhury934
@farukchoudhury934 Жыл бұрын
As Dr. Shabbir said these Hadith had their origins in something the Prophet (S) in some context and were presented by the narrators in a distorted or changed form which put them in contradiction to Quran. My question is why on earth we have to worry about these reported sayings of the Prophet on some events which we must white-wash to make them palatable for our time. These events are not relevent in our time while the Quran is relevant for ever. We should just ignore these Hadiths and live with the Quran for a meaningful life.
@laylaali5977
@laylaali5977 Жыл бұрын
Excellent program
@hassanadeleke723
@hassanadeleke723 Жыл бұрын
Allah bless you Dr Shabir Alli
@lahleholivia7398
@lahleholivia7398 Жыл бұрын
The greatest human ever 🫤 Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 1068 Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "If a man looks into your house and you take some pebbles and gouge out his eye, there is no fault in you." Grade Sahih.
@zak992
@zak992 Жыл бұрын
rubbish, doesnt matter if you think it is sahih or not, you have no idea how hadith literature works, my suggestion stick to your own religion leave alone that which you have a superficial understanding, cos you will embarrass yourself
@abdullahahmad9300
@abdullahahmad9300 Жыл бұрын
1. Context 2. Background knowledge 3. Conditions 4. Figurative language - Metaphors In Islam it's not allowed to hit any human on the face. It requires a further understanding.
@lahleholivia7398
@lahleholivia7398 Жыл бұрын
5.. Distract from embarrassment with 1,2,3,4.
@abdullahahmad9300
@abdullahahmad9300 Жыл бұрын
1. The hadith doesn't encourage to do that. 2. It says IF YOU were to throw a pebble and that would happen then you wouldn't be sinful in the sight of Allah. If a man - or he said someone - peeped at you without your permission and you threw a pebble at him that gouged out his eye, you would not be at fault.
@abdullahahmad9300
@abdullahahmad9300 Жыл бұрын
Your a snake in terms of how you quoted the hadith You used the word and Very deceptive lol
@MasudFahim-h2i
@MasudFahim-h2i Жыл бұрын
Is it true when prophet Isa second time coming he will going to marriage according to sahih hadith most Islamic scholar says but this hadith contradiction With Quren 🤔
@Iammram
@Iammram Жыл бұрын
What do you mean?
@MasudFahim-h2i
@MasudFahim-h2i Жыл бұрын
@@Iammram surah 19 verse 19 clearly mentione prophet Isa born from faultless his cousin like prophet Yahya 🤔
@Iammram
@Iammram Жыл бұрын
@@MasudFahim-h2i which also means a righteous, holy, etc. which is fine but I'm not understanding what being pure has to do with getting married?
@MasudFahim-h2i
@MasudFahim-h2i Жыл бұрын
@@Iammram read surah 3 verse 39 with tafsir 🤔
@Iammram
@Iammram Жыл бұрын
@@MasudFahim-h2i You don't need the tasfir for this, I see what you're saying because it says he will "Abstain from women" And this is what he did during his time here. You're conflating two things, when he returns, he's not returning as a Prophet, Muhammad (S.A.W.) was the final one, he's going to come as a just ruler, pray behind Imam Mahdi, then face the Dajaal (Anti-Christ) who will run from him and Isa (Jesus) will kill him. Then begins the event of him ruling, marrying, then ultimately passing away.
@JohnSmith-pd2dq
@JohnSmith-pd2dq Жыл бұрын
Why all the terrorist organizations are from the sunni sects? Could you answer this question please?
@blackdog8771
@blackdog8771 Жыл бұрын
What do you mean. There are multiple other terrorist, one thing they have in common, they are muslim.
@Quran_Alone_Dawah
@Quran_Alone_Dawah Жыл бұрын
Sunnis are not believers, they do not represent Islam.
@BruceWSims
@BruceWSims Жыл бұрын
Thank you for you thought, but in fairness I must share that not All terrorist activity is carried on by "muslims" but rather by individuals who are identified as, or identify themselves as Muslims. Tribal warfare in Sudan, for instance is tribal sectarian fighting in which such labels as "sub-saharan", "black", "arab," "Christian" and "Muslim" are freely used for convenience as the actual actors are a complex collection of organized crime, warlords, independent security forces and village populations. The simple fact is that bad actors often hide behind doctrines and beliefs that have been twisted out of original meaning and context to rationalize conduct. FWIW.
@zak992
@zak992 Жыл бұрын
in one two words invasions + politics
@matthoffman6962
@matthoffman6962 6 ай бұрын
Huh? Hezbollah, Iran, hamas etc are shia.
@jmdawlat
@jmdawlat Жыл бұрын
Yet again the channel of “Let Shabir Ali Speak on Behalf of Allah” has produced another video. How can they say with a straight face that the prophet’s war were all defensive and he would not attack unless attacked? Have you not read the history? How did the battle of Badr start? Who ordered the killing of young boys of Bani Quraidha? Who ordered the killing of several poets merely for speaking up against Mohammad? And many more. Shabir and Safia, How can you honestly go to sleep every night thinking that you have lied so much to cover up for Allah? I have far more respect for the Taliban who are honest about Islam than these two liars masquerading as scholars.
@laulaksiddique6160
@laulaksiddique6160 Жыл бұрын
Hindutava troll
@jmdawlat
@jmdawlat Жыл бұрын
@@laulaksiddique6160 Dear brother, You are quite off. I have never been a Hindu. I have never been to India. In fact, I know very little about Hindu political movements. If my assertions in the comment are wrong, I hope I can be corrected by a valued Muslim like you. Peace and respect to you!
@semiot8305
@semiot8305 Жыл бұрын
If the example of Muhammad is normative, why didn't the companions compile a collection of reliable hadiths? Why did it take over 200 years to collect them instead? Why the national sport of the first Muslims was making them up (> 600000!)? These were the same people who wrote the Quran (as a book), according to the tradition.
@Iammram
@Iammram Жыл бұрын
Because the companions kind of had other things to deal with, some wars, some famine, running a new state, etc.
@blackdog8771
@blackdog8771 Жыл бұрын
Because it is all fabricated?
@TheTruth-hc7ww
@TheTruth-hc7ww Жыл бұрын
@@Iammram 😏
@zak992
@zak992 Жыл бұрын
because most did not want to take responsibility for passing down hadith, ever wondered why so few hadith are passed down to us through our prophets closest companions like abu bakr, umar, uthman, ali, talha, zubair, fatima his daughter ( may allah be pleased with them all ). But Aisha and abu Huraira amongst others took the opposite view and saw hadith literature as a great treasure, and so these two are quoted the most as hadith transmitters. my own reservation around some hadith is that they lack any context as to why the prophet pbuh said what he said, what situation was he addressing as this is critical in applying a hadith to our times without this context you really are flying blind.
@blackdog8771
@blackdog8771 Жыл бұрын
@@zak992 if you follow islam, that is muhammad, you ARE blind.
@timeisfleeting2452
@timeisfleeting2452 Жыл бұрын
Haven't watched this yet but I'm glad you're tackling this knotty problem. I know I can rely on this channel for intelligent analysis. Most of the extremism we see comes from hadiths that encourage violence and hate. It's wonderful to see scholars like yourself addressing the issue head on. Some Muslim governments are revising school textbooks to exclude egregious cases of religious intolerance. This is all to the good. Now let me watch your video.
@IbnAisharadiAllahHuAnha
@IbnAisharadiAllahHuAnha Жыл бұрын
without hadith you aren't Muslim you know how do Qur'an rejctors view the ayat of ALLAH AZZWAJAL IN 9:29?
@IbnAisharadiAllahHuAnha
@IbnAisharadiAllahHuAnha Жыл бұрын
Fight against those who do not believe in Allāh or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allāh and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth [i.e., Islām] from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah1 willingly while they are humbled
@IbnAisharadiAllahHuAnha
@IbnAisharadiAllahHuAnha Жыл бұрын
you can't use hadith or any historical things to backup your claim because you reject everything outside the Qur'an which explains the Qur'an the verbatim word of ALLAH SUBHANAHU WA TA’ALA
@zak992
@zak992 Жыл бұрын
read his / her comments again they are not rejecting all hadith, they are questioning hadith that appear to be very intolerant of others this is very uncharacteristic of our prophets character and also the quran, outside the verses talking about war. Islam is a peaceful religion promoting peace and harmony as its norm so people can focus on God /Allah however it is not a pacifist religion it lives in the real world where violence, exploitation and war exist and tells us how and when to confront this@@IbnAisharadiAllahHuAnha
@charlesmuhmanson3928
@charlesmuhmanson3928 Жыл бұрын
@@IbnAisharadiAllahHuAnha Don't forget 9:28 give the true reason. The Meccans were already defeated so it wasn't about self-defense anymore. It is about getting money lost from pagan pilgrimage.
@armandemsha1976
@armandemsha1976 Жыл бұрын
Very good explanation GOD bless both of you for the work you do.
@Royalbangla52
@Royalbangla52 Жыл бұрын
Our beloved Prophet never fought any offensive war, rather defensive war. He was compelled to fight. At very first they took shelter near the well of Badar, but were attacked by the attackers. Thenceforward, prophet developed a military force to defend. All the sword or jihad verse are nothing but military training and persuasion. If there were no barrier of preaching Islam, there would be no fight. Matter of Grief that, some false fabricated history book and Hadith book portrayed our beloved prophet as an offensive warrior hero and expansionist.
@Simarodra
@Simarodra Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Dr. Shabir. My quick solution when given this kind of hadith is by putting it in parking lot. If I cannot accept a hadith with my conscience and my logic then I am empowered to question it, it is my afterlife at stake. It may take years before I learn that particular hadith has different meaning than my initial understanding, or a plain fabrication, but it is the journey that we all take as muslim and may Allah SWT is pleased with us. Again, thank you...
@charlesmuhmanson3928
@charlesmuhmanson3928 Жыл бұрын
So Muslims question mutawatir hadith now? Do you get to judge the Quran with your login and conscience?
@Simarodra
@Simarodra Жыл бұрын
Thank you for caring about muslim
@hassanabdur-rahman1559
@hassanabdur-rahman1559 Жыл бұрын
​@@charlesmuhmanson3928all hadiths were fabricated.
@QuranSpeaks
@QuranSpeaks 10 ай бұрын
Your support means a lot to us. Thank you!
@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411
@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411 Жыл бұрын
It beggars belief that Ali thinks that the Islamic conquests are the reason for jihad Hadith and not the results of them. So a people who already controlled Medinah, Makkah and surrounding areas. Were Self sufficient. Decide to decend upon the two greatest superpowers of the World simultaneously. Successfully driving out one from key territories and ending the other. In a few decades they reached the Atlantic Ocean west, China east and Constantinople North. Then they started writing Hadiths 100 years later to justify that 🤔 This historical revision raises more questions than answers. What was their motivations if not what we have today? Money? Why didn't they stop after they'd won the unimaginable riches of the Persia, Egypt and Syria? What gave them the audacity to go out and take over a quarter of the old world within a few decades? Where are the voices of opposition to the alleged deviance from the prophet Muhammad pbuh message? What do you do to verses talking about Jizyah? Do you reject Qur'an too? You're basically pretending Islam is like Christianity. Where rules of using violence aren't expressly laid out but can be whatever leaders feel like. Violence in Islam has clear guidelines in the Qur'an and Hadith.
@nareshvasishth4034
@nareshvasishth4034 Жыл бұрын
I agree. Problem is not in Quran It is the way IMAMS interpret it. When Muslims came to Kashmir, Firdausi said "Bur ruh a zamin ist, Amy ast, any ast" Read history, and see for your self. When Pakistan was made, they kicked all the Hindus out. Why? We are KAFIR. The Prime Minister of Pakistan has been married 6 times. According to this this behavior is HALAL. 3000 years of slavery.
@inamulislam7141
@inamulislam7141 Жыл бұрын
Assalamualaikum warahmatullah dear sister. Good discussion. May Allah bless you Aameen
@isaacmuhihi8712
@isaacmuhihi8712 Жыл бұрын
Never seen Dr. Shabir in difficulty of explaining issues than today. If we let the Quran Speak, Then Surah 3:151 speaks loud, Surah 2:191 speaks louder and Surah 9:5 speaks loudest. It's the word of God. God has no timelines or seasons so that we start putting his word into context, that the word was for the people of that time, if we do that, we will be saying. The Quran does not apply to our times then. **Massacre of Banu Qurayza** Attack against the Banu Qurayza people. 600-800 young and old men were beheaded under the supervision of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) how do we separate him from such acts.
@stylicho
@stylicho Жыл бұрын
Surah 9:4 As for the polytheists who have honoured every term of their treaty with you and have not supported an enemy against you, honour your treaty with them until the end of its term. Surely Allah loves those who are mindful ˹of Him˺.
@nazkhan7141
@nazkhan7141 Жыл бұрын
The act of treason is punishable by death even today
@amitozazad1584
@amitozazad1584 Жыл бұрын
Safiyyah (10 th wife). Her family ( including then husband) was slaughtered during the battle, and the same night the prophet married her took her to bed 😢😢😢. Imagine the psychological state of the lady (source wiki of safiyyah bint huyayy)
@zak992
@zak992 Жыл бұрын
With her ( safiyyas ) permission she became his wife, as difficult as this is for you to comprehend@@amitozazad1584
@jmdawlat
@jmdawlat Жыл бұрын
Yes. Indeed. This is a disingenuous channel. It should be called "Let Shabir Ali Speak on Behalf of Allah". They do not let the Quran speak at all.
@zak992
@zak992 Жыл бұрын
thank you for this dr shabir and sister safiyah, correct me if i am wrong but the above hadith lacks context in that we dont know why and when the prophet pbuh said this, was there a war going on ? was there a severe threat at the time? This is similar to winston churchills speeches about fighting the germans on the beaches and never surrendering is that for all times whenevr one meets a german or within the context of the second world war. Same here I feel, In the quran we have context as to why and when most of the verses were revealed and what problems/issues Allah was addressing but a lot of hadith literature lacks this context thus leaving them open to wild and sometimes very intolerant interpretations. Also ever wondered why his closest companions did not take responsibility to pass down hadith to us ( we only have a handful of hadith from them ) but Aisha,abu huraira and some others took the opposite view and thought the hadith were a great treasure that needs to be passed down. Surely if they were meant to so important our prophet would have institutionnalised their preservation during his lifetime as he did with the quran
@hassanabdur-rahman1559
@hassanabdur-rahman1559 Жыл бұрын
The prophet didn't say that. The hadiths were fabricated.
@abdullahahmad9300
@abdullahahmad9300 Жыл бұрын
Shabir Ally lost credibility a long time ago.
@thetruth27786
@thetruth27786 Жыл бұрын
This is what other scholara cant address
@zak992
@zak992 Жыл бұрын
they too afraid to be seen as revisionist dr shabir is very brave to address hadith which are misunderstood and can be used to promote intolerance and hate of others who are different to orthodox islam, i wish the very best for him and his daughter
@bf6724
@bf6724 Жыл бұрын
9:02 You always lie, as always, you never come up with sources, just blah blah without providing any evidence or a source. Muslims do not interpret the hadith as you said. Muslims understood from the hadith that Allah commanded them to deliver his divine message and light to all people. If there is a barrier or a group of people that prevent this light from reaching the rest of the people, those people who prevent the light from reaching the rest of the people must be fought, not as you used to lie and say.
@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411
@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411 Жыл бұрын
@@zak992 Your comment implies that you think revision of Islam is needed. Islam isn't Christianity, which shabir seems to model Islam on. Islam doesn't need a Martin Luther because it was never corrupted and we have preserved the authentic teachings of Prophet Muhammad pbuh. If you think Islam needs to be revised on the basis of western liberalism and materialism then you are truly lost. Replacing divine guidance with human opinions is the worst trade ever. May Allah guide us all to the truth.
@nikostheater
@nikostheater 7 ай бұрын
“You don’t annex territories without violent means”. That’s true. But the myth of Islamic expansion is that people became Muslims not by the sword, but by the “beauty “ of Islam. Both can’t be true of course.
@johnnyb6368
@johnnyb6368 Жыл бұрын
Too much time the camera is on Dr. Saffiya while she's totally silent. What are you trying to do guys?
@iyepmamun2315
@iyepmamun2315 Жыл бұрын
I think that the destiny of Hadits is the same as the Gospel. They are jumble between true and false.
@beowulfagate1242
@beowulfagate1242 Жыл бұрын
I love you sister and my the LORD your God give you courage to tackle difficult and uncomfortable questions. Be not afraid of people but the Lord of glory only, who's soon to appear in the air to call home his own with you among them.
@MrAsgharbukhari
@MrAsgharbukhari 3 ай бұрын
Dr Shabbir is just so rational and I love this.
@BruceWSims
@BruceWSims Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Brother. That was a wonderfully thoughtful response.
@stefanhenneken5415
@stefanhenneken5415 Жыл бұрын
Assalamu Aleijkum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu I have one wish. Would it be possible to have playlist for 'different tooucs' Luke for "Problematic hadith" ect. ? It would help at least little bit to find a video from the channel. Barak Allahu fikum
@Dannydreadlord
@Dannydreadlord Жыл бұрын
Answer to any problematic thing in your holy book, Just CHERRY PICK and say its not my PBUH, what a joke.
@hassanabdur-rahman1559
@hassanabdur-rahman1559 Жыл бұрын
Dr Shabir, it would be nice if you invite Muslims who follow the Quran alone on your show to give their perspective.
@fatipahad
@fatipahad Жыл бұрын
There is no compulsion in religion, so why did the hadith contradict Allah?
@zak992
@zak992 Жыл бұрын
Because there is no context around why the prophet pbuh said this hadith, was this at a time of war, was he faced with a grave threat and he is replying to that threat, a bit like winston churchill speech about fighting the german on the beaches, was churchill gona fight the germans if they invaded england or was he gona fight germans wherever they are and for all times, same analogy
@charlesmuhmanson3928
@charlesmuhmanson3928 Жыл бұрын
Because the Quran contradicts itself about being peaceful. Don't forget the authorzed use of force against non-believers for the purpose of extorting money - 9:28-29.
@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411
@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411 Жыл бұрын
@@charlesmuhmanson3928 Why are you Christians hypocrites? You cherish the violence of your books and condem it in others.
@charlesmuhmanson3928
@charlesmuhmanson3928 Жыл бұрын
@@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411 I condemn all unnecessary violence. Except for self-defense, only God can ordain judgement. Man does not have the right to impose his will upon another. The violence of the Bible was about a particular time and place during a tumultuous period of existence. God gave a standard of peace in the New Testament. The problem with Islam is the open-ended right you imagine your god allah gave from the mouth of your false prophet Muhammad.
@peterhwang352
@peterhwang352 Жыл бұрын
Surah 9 is not peaceful.
@zak992
@zak992 Жыл бұрын
it is peaceful read it in the context of what was happening to the muslim community at the time, if you gona comment do you research well
@peterhwang352
@peterhwang352 Жыл бұрын
​@@zak992 What context could possibly make 9:5 peaceful?
@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411
@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411 Жыл бұрын
@@peterhwang352 Have you really read the old testament? Why are you concerned about peaceful verses?
@AM-ub3nh
@AM-ub3nh Жыл бұрын
@@peterhwang352 Actually just the previous verse and next verse of 9:5 is enough to understand the context. in 9:4 it is clearly said these verses do not apply to those polytheist who adhered by the treaty. In 9:6, it is said if some of the fighting polytheist surrender, then take him to a place of safety. In 9:7 it is said, as long as they hold the peace treaty, hold it for them also.
@isaacmuhihi8712
@isaacmuhihi8712 Жыл бұрын
@@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411 Why do you have to refer him to the bible. Give answers do not raise questions when asked questions.
@stylicho
@stylicho Жыл бұрын
Apparently Ali never took part in the Islamic expansion
@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411
@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411 11 ай бұрын
Ali Ra took Kheybar by force. The strong Jewish fortification in Medina. Kheybar has been Islamic territory since. Also during his reign he had internal conflicts to deal with that explain why he didn't have prolific conquests. There's some reports that he did make some advancement in the region of Khorasan.
@naveedkhan8023
@naveedkhan8023 Жыл бұрын
You are not the expert in Hadith.
@isaacmuhihi8712
@isaacmuhihi8712 Жыл бұрын
Only the narrators know the truth.
@hassanabdur-rahman1559
@hassanabdur-rahman1559 Жыл бұрын
Hadiths are fabrications that were designed to keep Muslims from reading, studying and following the Quran.
@tomtaylor6163
@tomtaylor6163 Жыл бұрын
Jesus wasn’t violent and the original disciples were all murdered violently . See a difference yet ?
@zak992
@zak992 Жыл бұрын
but christians that came after him were/are exceedingly violent, the inquistions, massacre of the cathars, crusades, catholic/protestant wars, KKK, colonialism especially spanish/ portugese variety, bush/blair crusade against middle east nations, see the difference yet ?
@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411
@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411 Жыл бұрын
According to your Bible Jesus will return and put his opposition to the sword. Why do you pretend it's a non violent religion?
@tomtaylor6163
@tomtaylor6163 Жыл бұрын
@@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411Maybe at that time Jesus will use the sword. He didn’t use it in this world and neither did the Disciples. Your guy Mo used violence in this world. See the difference yet?
@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411
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@@tomtaylor6163 So you're not against the principle of using the sword just the timing. I see no difference between both. As messengers of God they can only follow his commands. If you read the Qur'an you'd know that the Muslims were commanded to fight despite Allah SWT knowing they hated it. The results of their obedience to God is that they established an empire spanning a quarter of the old world in 20 years only. Look up historian explanations of how early Muslims were able to rise so high so quickly. They're very interesting as they will show you how improbable this task was.
@isaacmuhihi8712
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@@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411 The word SWORD in the bible is symbolic and has several meanings. EG. Ephesians 6:13) The sixth piece of armor that Paul discusses in Ephesians 6 is the sword of the spirit, which represents the Word of God.
@charlesmuhmanson3928
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He is using circular reasoning. The Quran conveys both views of allah. But Shabir only wants to see the lovey-dovey version of Islam because it comports with his preconception of allah and Muhammad. SMH.
@isaacmuhihi8712
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Agreed!!1
@Quran_Alone_Dawah
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The Qur'an is enough brothers and sisters, do not follow other hadiths besides the Qur'an. And in anything over which you disagree - *its ruling is [to be referred] to Allah.* [Say], "That is Allah , my Lord; upon Him I have relied, and to Him I turn back." 42:10 "One day We shall raise from all Peoples a witness against them, from amongst themselves: and We shall bring thee as a witness against these (thy people): and We have sent down to thee the *Book explaining all things* , a Guide, a Mercy, and Glad Tidings to Muslims." 16:89 "O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger making clear to you much of what you used to conceal of the Scripture and overlooking much. There has come to you from Allah *a light and a clear Book* ." 5:15 "Alif, Lam, Ra. These are the verses of the *Book and a clear Qur'an* ." 15:1 "Shall I seek other than Allah for judge, when He it is Who hath *revealed unto you (this) Scripture, fully explained* ? Those unto whom We gave the Scripture (aforetime) know that it is revealed from thy Lord in truth. So be not thou (O Muhammad) of the waverers." 6:114 " *A Book whose verses have been detailed* , an Arabic Qur'an for a people who know," 41:3 " *Thus do We explain the signs in detail* ; and perchance they may turn (unto Us)." 7:174 "And when We read it, follow thou the reading;" 75:18 "Nay more, *it is for Us to explain it (and make it clear)* : 75:19 "For We had certainly sent unto them a Book, based on knowledge, *which We explained in detail* ,- a guide and a mercy to all who believe." 7:52 "And they do not come to you with an argument except that *We bring you the truth and the best explanation* ." 25:33 " *Allah has sent down the best hadith* : a consistent Book wherein is reiteration. The skins shiver therefrom of those who fear their Lord; then their skins and their hearts relax at the remembrance of Allah. That is the guidance of Allah by which He guides whom He wills. And one whom Allah leaves astray - for him there is no guide." 39:23 "These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. *Then in what hadith after Allah and His verses will they believe?* " 45:6 "Then in what *hadith* after the Qur'an will they believe?" 77:50 So obey Allah, and obey His Messenger: but if ye turn back, *the duty of Our Messenger is but to proclaim (the Message) clearly and openly* . 64:12 "Say, "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger; but if you turn away - then upon him is only that [duty] with which he has been charged, and upon you is that with which you have been charged. And if you obey him, you will be [rightly] guided. *And there is not upon the Messenger except the [responsibility for] clear notification* ." 24:54 *The most merciful* 55:1 "It is *He* Who has taught the Qur'an." 55:2 " *The guiding of them is not thy duty* (O Muhammad), but Allah guideth whom He will. And whatsoever good thing ye spend, it is for yourselves, when ye spend not save in search of Allah's Countenance; and whatsoever good thing ye spend, it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged." 2:272 "And We have certainly diversified in this Qur'an for the people from *every [kind of] example* ; *but man has ever been, most of anything, [prone to] dispute.* " 18:54 "Say, " Allah is most knowing of how long they remained. He has [knowledge of] the unseen [aspects] of the heavens and the earth. How Seeing is He and how Hearing! They have not besides Him any protector, and *He shares not His legislation with anyone.* "" 18:26 “You worship not besides Him except [mere] names you have named them, you and your fathers, for which Allah has sent down no authority. *Legislation is not but for Allah.* He has commanded that you worship not except Him. That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know.” 18:40
@mohamedsheikhmohamed5411
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You're a takfiri who thinks everyone not in agreement with your twisted creed is a kafir. You've got no respect for the Messenger of Allah SWT you believe he has no authority.
@Izzy_loves20
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The Hadith is there but there’s context. Read the seerah and Islamic history and see how Muslims were with non Muslims. Umar bin khattab ra gave refuge to the Jews and Christian’s in Palestine and allowed the access to their holy sites. You have to realize when and why the Hadith was mentioned. Under which context. The Arabs at time of prophet salallahu 3layhiwassalaam were a very tribal society who were also warring tribes so there’s a context for the verses and Hadith. War is war if you look at the crusades they would say either convert to Christianity or we will kill the heathen saracens and this is history. Warfare has a set of rules for certain periods that it is necessary to be more strategic during periods of warfare. If you read the seerah you see the quraysh travelled thousands of miles just to declare war on the prophet salallahu 3layhiwassalaam and his companions to even where they moved when they migrated to yathrib. If you look at the invasion of iraq George bush said the crusades are back and many of the us soldiers were saying horrendous inhumane things and did those things in iraq and sanctioned it all over muslim majority countries in the Middle East. So I don’t think we have to necessarily try and prove a point. There’s a reason the Quran came to prophet salallahu 3layhiwassalaam and the Arabs at the time it did as if you look at pre Islamic Arabia it was worst of the worst. The Arabs were tribal, alcoholics, mostly pagan, womanizers. Injustice was rampant and consuming unlawful wealth off ppls backs was known so the Arabs were an example because we deal with the same stuff to this day we are just more populated and have technology to know what’s happening. Bottom line a free license to kill indiscriminately and murder?. Islam is the last if not only religion that will support that as if you look at the seerah and the Islamic conquests after the death of prophet salallahu 3layhiwassalaam the muslims were contacted by ppl all over to help them from the Roman Catholics st the time. So it’s not a matter of oh should we try and rectify this Hadith or not, look at the context and when it was said and what circumstances were there for it to be said
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