Problems mounting dual router tables on my table saw- SOLVED!

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[@tomturnipseed3643]

Really enjoyed the humor, James. I’ve enjoyed your videos for years and especially when you add a little fun. Thanks and keep it up.

[@matthewpotter1933]

You're a stitch! Love your videos. I am impressed by two things: 1. Your humility, making me believe you're a woodworking schlubb like me; 2. Your knowledge, making me know that you are a woodworker of superior skill. It's highly unlikely I will ever replicate your 2 table process, but the way you work through the problems is very useful information.

[@patrickweckermann9121]

Poo jokes may not be my favorite, but they're a solid #2

[@sisyphushappyband]

This really came at about just the right time. I have a standalone Rockler table that I love, but I just can't afford the floorspace anymore. I've been considering how to add it to my tablesaw extension, which measuerments tell me will take quite a bit of modification...I appreciate you doing much of the figuring for me!

[@danashelters4326]

I have the exact same saw , and I have two router tables . And I have toyed with the idea of doing what you've done. Now that you have shown me it can be done I'll be moving forward with it this summer . Give you a chance to iron out the bugs😁

[@fahnleindieselschweif5022]

I love the dry humor and the nice tipps, thank you!

[@jeanine6492]

Wow, such a lot of knowledge! Hope I have half as much one day. Always learn so much, great clear explanations and always fun presentation style. Thanks.

[@johnthompson3462]

It is really good of you to let us know you are a mere mortal for like the rest of us.Looks like it was worth it

[@Andre_Berthiaume]

That chicken sedan though... :D

[@917Stefano]

Whoa, that was a big project, but it turned out great in the end. Thanks for another excellent video.

[@332jatc]

Good job nobody has a a table saw like yours but I'm sure it's going to be very great for us in the future

[@lakesidewoodcrafter8904]

Great video!!!! I’ve been thinking about adding a router to my table saw.

[@oliverreedslovechild]

I only recently subscribed and I'm glad I did as I'm getting loads of great info and tips. I like your presenting style over a lot of other US based KZbin woodworkers as a lot of them remind me of some of the more over the top US ads I've had the misfortune to see! Your reference to throwing in a metric reference for your international viewers was a nice touch, but even though I qualify as an international viewer ( England ) I prefer to work with Imperial measurements. I've recently started helping my wifes much younger cousin to sort out and organise his workshop/garage and the look of puzzlement on his face when I measure something in inches as opposed to centi/millimetres is something to behold. It's taking a while, but he's slowly starting to realise that Imperial can be more accurate than metric, 32 seconds or 64 ths vs millimetres!

[@Robyrob7771]

I’ve been contemplating getting a phenolic top (vs cast iron) for my router table. Thanks for the info.

[@396fab]

Another great video! appreciate your time and effort producing the videos and I've learned a lot from you. Have a similar project on deck where I'm tuning up a Grizzly G0652 I picked up used and adding the SawStop 16" Cast Iron router wing, Incra lift and VFD controlled 3hp router. Taking the shop video plunge and will produce a video with the highlights. Cheers and thanks again!

[@garymccoy2888]

Thanks, I have thought of this for my Saw Stop ever since I got it.

[@thomasverdi371]

Stumpy. You killed me with all the jokes.. Great vlog, very informative and humorous

[@normancoutts]

I hadn't realised that sagging was such a problem. :-) An excellent and very helpful video as I am considering doing something similar with my much more modest table saw.

[@normanbott]

Really enjoyed the yapping and the humour ! .I've unfortunate experience with veneered MDF simply sagging under self-weight on a large desk project for my eldest son. I should have insisted on plywood despite the extra cost. That was a marathon exercise attaching those tables - rather you than me, but you got there in the end of course.

[@kennel1102]

I retrofitted my Kreg router table to my Sawstop with great results. Had to trim the phenolic top and made sure to reinforce the table but it turned out great

[@onecarwood]

I ran a dual tablesaw set up for a long time. Leaving a dato set in one saw mostly.

[@TheOneWhoMightBe]

I felt physical pain from the chicken coop/coupe joke. Well done.

[@williamellis8993]

More trouble than I'm willing to go to. Love your humor though.

[@allanwilliams4999]

Nice video. Great content and loving the delivery! 😂 Keep up the good work and Thank You. 👍🏻

[@chrisjordan4210]

Stumpy - some of the best woodworking videos out there. Get the engineering countersinks you'll never look back, just as good in wood as metal no chatter completely clean (I'd lend you mine but I'm probably 4000 miles away).

[@chrisjordan4210]

Hi Glenot I've also seen them referred to as a snail countersink owing to the shape of the shavings. Agree it'seems easier to counteasing before drilling. Never tried making patterns with them but are going to give it a go.

[@chrisjordan4210]

Hi Glen Sorry about the nonsense spelling in my earlier reply - predictive text on my phone, typed from a proper computer this time...hopefully you got the gist of what I was trying to say.

[@bretlambky]

I really appreciate and enjoy your videos! Keep it up, god bless!

[@charlessullivan8861]

Great video James!

[@WEALRO]

Another great video👍

[@_rdub_]

I'm a simple man, I see a Stumpy Nubs video, I click, I like.

[@steveyknoxville]

Man you are funny, this is my new favorite channel... ,,😁

[@brianpimental2948]

Great job! Tell Mustache Mike things are looking up when working on your back! Love the video I will be doing this to my saw stop thank you

[@hassanal-mosawi6049]

Thanks for sharing that

[@scottlouis7785]

I feel sorry for that poor old cat, always enjoy the vids

[@rodpotts2666]

Pretty freeking cool !

[@billy19461]

I would love to have a router table and hear you have two!

[@marciolangeani9992]

I really love your posts. How can you find room to fit jokes in between so much info?! 👏👏👏👏👏😂😂😂

[@Phyoomz]

This is just a great vid all around

[@joeyleerobbins]

How awesome are you when you wear a vest with your own face on it, a hat with your own face on it, and a head with your own face on it.......beast mode

[@vallejokid1968]

Joseph Robbins Hahahahaha

[@StumpyNubs]

If you're inferring that it's egocentric to wear our logo, I'm going to disagree.

[@davemccracken6436]

Looked to me like M Mike was just laying about down there! Old codgers should NOT have to get down that far!

[@rstewardson4164]

Dave McCracken Getting down is easy, getting back up is the hard part. Gravity is not your friend.

[@williamellis8993]

@@rstewardson4164 Amen!

[@crowlers6]

Great information and how to, I like the chicken joke, I think I'm going to try that one! Love the videos!

[@jayceterry3691]

the chicken sedan joke😭😂😂😂

[@rjtumble]

See you in Atlanta!!

[@randysmith9715]

I have two router mounts on the TS, but I added one to each end. Gives me long cross cut support.

[@TFUAFA]

4:34. ... ... ... A chicken sedan. ... James you’re a legend 😂😂

[@1barron]

Interesting I do not think I will be installing two routers in my table saw. But as too router table construction I built one using the sink cutout from a laminate countertop. It seems plenty stiff and has been stable.

[@robinpope9479]

In place of shims you might use T-nuts and set screws. These can be adjusted from the top of the table and less crawling on the floor for Mike. Also, I thought you had the Incra router joining system, what happened to it?

[@cornflake73]

I would say that the dual router set up is for a very specialized situation and a single is more than adequate. That is just my opinion, for what it is worth. I have enjoyed your video series and find your site most enjoyable to watch. lots of things to learn. I also am a big Rockler fan. Their products are very user friendly and useful. But the prices can be a bit much sometimes to justify when I ask the wife for some cash to spend on my wish list. To protest she gives me a honey do list for what she wants done. by the way those silicone mats are just the ticket for glue mess control.

[@stakwalderbak5331]

You need a man money account. A regular amount gets paid in every week Rule no 1 - you can spend it on whatever you want, no questions asked Rule no 2 - whatever happens in the man shed...

[@allanwolfe6071]

That honey do list is my ticket to buy tools! I like those glue mats too. My shop is cramped. I have to use my table saw as a workbench as well. The glue mats help protect the saw top. I’ve also found that the mat resists epoxy and CA as well. The CA reacts with the surface of the mat hough.

[@SpydieFan]

Nice work, any reason you didn’t buy two cast iron inline router table tops directly from Sawstop? I have 1 attached to my PCS and I’m quite happy with it.

[@dmcwoodworx2968]

try running the countersink bit in reverse. This works for me.

[@MrStrizver]

I'm curious to know if the space savings gained by having a router table in your table saw is worth not having a dedicated router table. It'd be great to have a video giving the advantages and disadvantages of each.

[@StumpyNubs]

I used a table saw mounted setup for years and never missed the standalone router table. There's little difference in operation.

[@allanwolfe6071]

Same here. While the phenolic is like a rock, I went with cast iron. I wanted to avoid the sag. Humidity is a big issue in SE Texas. My table saw isn’t as large or as nice as Stumpy’s, it will only hold one router table. I don’t seem to have the need for two.

[@Rocadamis]

No link for the silicone bench mats or the dust enclosures? :-(

[@neilgittens5720]

Stump why didn’t you use black granite. That is what I made mine from and it works great the only thing I did not do is to put a dado for a t track because I didn’t know the distances from the bit to the track.

[@kosinskiarek]

Love that chicken joke and your no mile expression after that :D!!!!

[@sawdustwoodchips]

Kitchen counter tops at about 60mm is also a good base for a router top.

[@jimbo2629]

To improve the countersink hole run the drill backwards towards the end.

[@richardstromquist1]

Love the dry humor

[@rolliekelly6783]

A/C is worth it, if for no other reason than preventing rust

[@sdevino]

It looks like you have the over arm dust collector option for your saws top. I have the same and it is causing me to hesitate too move my router table to the SawStop as you have. How is that working out for you?

[@ronh9384]

Great video as always and love the humor. Regarding the Ready2Rout fence and router lift, have you had any issues/bugs with either one? And have you considered doing a follow up video on the Ready2Rout system? I have two routers on my saw as well (different brand) but one is on the left and the other is one the right. It works out great when setting up to make cabinet doors, etc. and needing two different bit set ups. And both of my tables face outward so I can stand either to the side or the end of the saw to rout material. Obviously you didn’t have a choice with the inboard unit. I am not criticizing... But I am curious why you chose to mount the outboard unit the same way as the inboard unit? Is it so you can feed materials in from the same side and save space? My two router tables feed from opposite sides and requires more room but the saw and right side table/router assembly are all on casters so I can move it if necessary. Thanks for your time and sorry for being so long winded. Ron

[@StumpyNubs]

Because my saw is so long and my shop is so narrow, it's more convenient to stand in front of the saw rather than on the ends. The Ready2Rout is a great system, but not worth the price, in my opinion. It would be if they would have made more apps, which they promised when I got mine. But they never did.

[@murphymmc]

Try this little tip for your countersink: use the counter sink first, it will do a nice round shape. Sure, it has to remove a little more material, but the cut will be smoother without the chatter you get when they go all starry on you.

[@nickhemmrich5512]

murphymb if you run the countersink in reverse, it scrapes the hole instead of cutting. No chattering. This makes a much cleaner countersink if the pilot hole is already there.

[@whitehurstathome]

Just buy the cast iron tops made for table saws. I bought the general international one and installed on my jet pro shop no problem. Just drilled some holes in the fence system to line up to the mounting holes that came with the table. No sagging; ever.

[@nightcatarts]

The millimetres are appreciated; good work not putting a fraction in there with them, I know that must have been difficult.

[@Naddan49]

Please add the links you mentioned.

[@timthomas9105]

I just bought a Triton router for the table saw. My extension is open cast iron in a x grid, OLDER Craftsman. I completely dismantled, new bearings in motor , arbor and a link belt. It runs true but I'm concerned about making a wing for the insert and router. The Incra LS fence is on back order and is the reason why I want the router on the saw. If you or anyone else has a suggestion or a link to a video that can help me. I will be grateful.

[@mitcha3751]

Hey James, didn't see the link for silicone matts. Amazon has poor choices.

[@txba497]

When and where is the Atlanta event March 15-17?

[@mattg6262]

Man that joke was well placed. You even waited for laughs. Lol

[@bobby-c7731]

Busier than a cat covering turds on a marble floor. My new favorite phrase

[@Xyienced]

Straight balling here

[@stuffoflardohfortheloveof]

Well well.....didn’t know you had a humour chip fitted 👍

[@markmelville6670]

Didn't consider the stock SawStop router lift?

[@michaelriecken5482]

OMG, you're funny and informative

[@agoogleuser1594]

How do you make cuts on longer boards with a setup like that? It seems like it would be awkward not being able to stand parallel to the fence. Can you flip the fence around and use the end router?

[@StumpyNubs]

How do you make cuts on long boards on a table saw? It's the same position. But yes, you could also flip the fence around the other way and stand on the end.

[@dBassCline]

You should comment on the cheap harbor freight antifatigue mats. They have been a real back saver in my shop! And they are cheap!!!

[@StumpyNubs]

Maybe I'll put them in a future Cool Tools video.

[@DavidBishopinc]

Always something. But you handled it all like a chimp. I mean champ. 👍🏼

[@andrewward9345]

I did something similar with two router tables. But made them part of my outfeed table.

[@davidforeman5412]

Hi James, I don't know if I was looking at it wrong but it looks like it has been awhile since you've published a full journal? I realize it must be a great deal of effort and it does sound like your extremely busy. I would just hate to see this magazine fall off

[@StumpyNubs]

Working on a redesign.

[@davidforeman5412]

@@StumpyNubs Great, Have you ever thought of using volunteers, to help, You would have to identify the elements that People could help with without impacting delivery but might be able to Optimize your valuable time...

[@StupidEarthlings]

I dig it. Ima do this on my saw. Hands look a lil jittery bro.. all good?

[@StumpyNubs]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoDWoIJshc2sq6M

[@stakwalderbak5331]

I have a SawStop 3 phase Industrial 52". The wooden end tables on these saws are terrible. I had to return the first 2 because they were already warped. The third one was marginally better but has since warped. Why would such a great saw be fitted with such a cheap low quality end table? Who would use pine bracing? Why not at least pressed steel. Even the cheap Chinese saws have better end tables than this. I got no response from SawStop when I questioned the quality.

[@ssumm6]

Same problem. Even their iron tops aren’t as flat as my old Ridgid contractor’s saw. They’re attitude was take it or leave it.

[@robertwilson7143]

I don't know if I would be able to do all that to a sawstop but I am planning on playing with a Sawsmith 2000. I am thinking about doing something with 1 router table. Would multiple layers of mdf work or how about a butcher block maple top?

[@StumpyNubs]

2 layers of MDF will work if you have enough support beneath it. Your issue may be the top gets too thick and interferes with the access to your router controls. I would not make a solid wood top for a router table.

[@Jeekinz]

I did the opposite, two saws married by a router table. All three units use the same fence, the right side saw sports a dado blade.

[@StumpyNubs]

Two saws married to a router table? Which state allows that?

[@allanwolfe6071]

I’m curious why you put the T tracks on the left side rather than on the right (assuming you are looking at it from the front side of the saw). I have a single router table on my table saw, I use it from the end. Seems like you’d want the tracks to be closest to the end to use with guides. Any reason for your tracks being farthest from the end?

[@StumpyNubs]

I don't usually operate the router table standing on the end. I use it like I do the table saw, standing on the side and feeding the stock against the fence to my right. The miter slot is in the same position as it would be on the saw as well. You can see what I mean when I show how the fences go on at the end of the video.

[@woodandwheelz]

What is the show in the Atlanta area? I tried to search and couldn't find it. I'm sure it's my error though. Thank you.

[@StumpyNubs]

www.thewoodworkingshows.com/atlanta.html

[@drewst.george1651]

Enjoyed the jokes

[@jessjulian9458]

Just get an Incra fence system. I have Incra on my tablesaw and Router table. They are great tools. Maybe a little more expensive, but worth it.

[@StumpyNubs]

I have the full incra a setup. Don't care for it.

[@StumpyNubs]

Takes up too much room on side table, sticks off the end of the saw too far when I'm using the router table, limits rip capacity of the saw and the lead screw teeth jam on me half the time.

[@jessjulian9458]

@@StumpyNubs I do not find that to be the case with mine. I do have a different saw then you have. My router table is on the left side. my Incra fence system is mounted to the right side. I actually have about six more inches rip capacity. It does hang over edge on the right side. But its not a problem in my shop.

[@stakwalderbak5331]

That's a surprise @@StumpyNubs . My LS positioner is still in the box awaiting my router table build.

[@allanwolfe6071]

Joshua Blair the old Rockler router lift did not have the lock. I had the same concern. Rockler has a new router lift that has a separate lock like the Jessem. It also has a “fast speed” (macro) adjustment as well as a “slow speed” (micro). The only gripe I have is that the inserts are aluminum and though you get one with the lift, you have.to buy the others separate. Something you have to price in when comparing with other brands that include the whole set. For me, I like the plastic ones better. If you are looking to do a “zero clearance”, it is kinder to do that with plastic as opposed to aluminum and they are cheaper to replace. A glass half full, half empty depending on how you look at it. Also, the aluminum inserts on the new Rockler lift pop in and out by way of a button on the lift unlike others that require a separate handle to twist the insert in and out.

[@hanssitte438]

Why two router tables, especially in tandem? Being short I would have trouble using the center table. Lastly, doesn't the dust collection bin starve the router of air? And, I appreciated your humor through this as it gave me side "splinters"! Apparently you see life like I do, "life is too serious to be serious at all times".

[@StumpyNubs]

I explain why I use two at the end of the video. The dust collection bin doesn't starve the router because it's hooked to my dust collector, which pulls air down through the hole in the top of the table around the bit, and across the motor.

[@danthechippie4439]

Unfortunately saw stop table saws are unavailable in my country, (Ireland)

[@loustoneberger8921]

Nice. If you fail at woodworking you could try stand up comedy 😎😎😎. Starting to wonder if your not having to many cold ones 😎👍. Good video

[@DBYNOE]

Don't remember who said this, running those crappy counter sinks in reverse makes a much better hole.

[@geef6770]

You said 'millimeters'. Great! Going to convert?

[@clydeulmer4484]

In retrospect, have you thought it might have been better to just weld up a new custom side table frame? Although, that might not have provided the entertainment value of this project :-)

[@StumpyNubs]

I don't weld well.

[@allanwolfe6071]

If you buy a phenolic table, watch for cracks. Rockler has had manufacturing issues off and on with those tables.

[@StumpyNubs]

I got one with a crack on the underside and one that was perfect. I could have sent it back and they would have happily replaced it, but I didn't have time so I used it anyway. I never noticed since it was on the underside. In fact, I used it in this video. Works just fine for me.

[@tjbalistic]

0:56 Does anyone else think Stumpy looks like a cardboard cutout in this photo?

[@SnootchieBootchies27]

All that being smart is for most people is knowing how to idiot proof things for yourself. So, you're actually pretty smart!

[@WCW4469]

Chicken sedan, nice......

[@frankingram3382]

Now, do you really read all posts? God Bless my friend.

[@StumpyNubs]

Yes. But I don't answer them all.

[@kdm0425]

Lol chicken coop

[@DBYNOE]

You are "plane" crazy 😉

[@greggbrown5540]

Chicken sedan......... HAHAHA