Prodeus Review - First Person Shooter of Old

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[@SnowWalker1]

"We just had pieces of wood nailed into the mother board and that was your graphics card" 😆

[@auradzrts691]

Good old days, where we still near with nature.

[@Peter_739]

monke gpu

[@Mark_Bates]

True story

[@stevezpj]

Mack was bloody posh - we didn't get the nails and just had to stick the wood on with our own shit

[@HarrySBallz]

Mack: Let's use the nails, the nails - of the manufacturer!

[@Forsete]

Can't say I agree about the alt-fire ability for weapons. It makes the guns far more interesting when you have more options available. Also Blood (1997) had alt-fire for weapons.

[@lwaves]

The original Unreal Tournament game had it too and like Blood, that's an old school 90's FPS.

[@x5finger]

If my memory is right, so did Dark Forces. Early 1995! I did get a really Dark Forces vibe from the exterior segments of this game. Dark Forces also had a similar progression system - no quick save.

[@lwaves]

@@x5finger Now you've said it, I believe you are correct about DF. That was te game that caused me to switch from Amiga to PC, so you'd think I'd remember that one.

[@darthraider450]

@@lwaves alt fire in UT separated the masters from the easy pick up and play players. Those alt fire abilities took skill to pull off and were highly rewarding when successfully used. Of all the things in shooters these days that I miss, alt fire is the major one.

[@SirEx12345678]

UT? Heck, the original Unreal had an alt fire mode for EVERY weapon. Of course alt-fire modes are old school.. Mack you silly

[@michaelgimenez4032]

That BFG song is now a staple of this channel like the bell and Bunny... Speaking of which, BRING BUNNY BACK!

[@plskenpls]

I actually stopped the video the moment it started. Sorry, don't wanna have it stuck in my head again. For me it's a bit too much..

[@R3in_Ch]

@@plskenpls ?

[@roadwarrior528]

It's not Bunny. It's Rabbit.

[@Danielkaas94]

@@plskenpls when he overdo it for over thirty seconds it gets a bit annoying after the first couple of times hearing it 🔇

[@midguard7917]

@@roadwarrior528 Road Warrior is right you tourist!

[@respectfulremastersbymetal8336]

Never though I would hear "the original Doom" and "slow paced" in the same sentence.

[@MaxskiSynths]

Aah I remember nailing my first piece of wood into my motherboard back then

[@tuqueninja7886]

When will you be releasing an album of all your songs? Mac's BFG Compilation, I'd buy that

[@SolaireGamingPT]

Still waiting for that too!

[@fredrikbystrom7380]

Heat from the cops

[@Torsteinhauger]

Would that be worth a buy?

[@SolaireGamingPT]

@@Torsteinhauger Definitely, DEFINITELY worth a buy!

[@vgk12345]

Same! 😂 my favorite part of the reviews these days

[@Gathies]

Great video! Title has the phrase, "school shooter" in it good luck getting it monetized lol

[@WorthABuyreviews]

lol

[@segaprophet]

youtube is so moronic and petty

[@Sevo-]

I love how he did change it too! Proof he trusts his community quite a lot

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

​@@WorthABuyreviews What video editing software do you use? I wont get weird, im just curious. Looking at da vinci + 3090 (If I can buy the damn thing) + 6TB raid 0 3x nvme pci 4.0. 8k is probably viable with interpolation. You can take that pixel/floating point accuracy, and convert it to a 4k upload which people actually have, though with supersampling. Even post compression its technically going to look better, like with raytracing injection, and intelligent sharpening. Im aware at some point you abandoned the toaster.

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

@@WorthABuyreviews And anyone who rolls out videos who actually has the hardware now, let me know. Im going to be building a database soon with all my settings available to the public, even if some of our work ends up being a bit redundant. Ideally we get a group of people going, since im not going to dump millions of dollars into entertainment software. The ultimate goal would be having each games reshade values both on display, and the settings with that presenation, AND having the presets available for download somewhere. Plug and play. You either have the hardware to play it, or you dont. Generally im going to assume you have at least somewhat modern hardware to play with this stuff. It actually works just fine even on my highly modified GTX 980M, but honestly, you should probably at minimum these days have at least around a RTX 2070 GPU. These next generation games are legitimately going to push the IO spearhead, which is why we are seeing GDDR6 and GDDR6X ram disks for CPU IPC uplift. Its really just preparing for truly next generation texture quality. It honestly is probably going to be very good. We will just have to see more games that arent just rushed out like assassins creed VH which are basically parity for parity on both consoles. I have my own suspicions about the PS5 CPU clockrates. The super fast SSD with its own dedicated compression decompression silicon which the PC master race isnt getting outside like literal server environment tiers of investment is going to be only as useful as your brain can feed such a process. We are getting to the point terabytes of storage are like DDR2 and DDR3 RAM. Its going to have trickle down effects of processing power by LOD you dont have to forfeit. It looks to have a snowballing effect, where before you processed its existence, then had to dump it out of memory. Remember texture quality has basically zero impact on performance if you actually have that memory available to pull it off. Its been this way for years and years and years. Imagine what is possible with this sort of actual technological advance. If you are going to bother however, please dont make it easy to beat. At best youll get parity. As to you bud, I know you are unusually shy. Lets just keep the subject gaming related. My specialty is optimization, and maxing out graphical fidelity. I am however a video editing noob. The idea of periodic payments with mediocre past records of optimization, I just dont know about that adobe.

[@Dutchfalco]

Mack used to be my favorite reviewer, now he’s my favorite musician.

[@telzen8774]

The graphics options actually have a ton in there. You can switch out enemy sprites for 3D models, make the entire game look low res, add scan lines and a ton of other stuff. Also quick saves = save scumming, which just is the furthest thing you want players to be doing in a fast paced shooter. Also the levels aren't slow paced. In the video he is playing slow for some reason but that is on him. There is a leaderboard that takes time into account so you should be running through the levels as fast as possible. Oh and the iron sights are just part of the alt fires, its not like you are running around adsing all the time.

[@LeuLeumas]

Oh no but mack is the best, the greatest, the never wrong youtuber. How could he

[@sxx01]

Its fast in my opinion.

[@StephenStine]

I, for one, welcome more of our Retro FPS Overlords

[@Korado3D]

No regrets getting this game, great fun, + Level editor, there are some good community made maps already. 😊

[@sgtskysyndrome]

At 2:25 it became clear to me that the BFG song was coming, and so for 32 seconds I was held in suspense as I waited for it.

[@xnet-pvzok728]

The graphics don't look shit. It's an aesthetic choice. The lighting and weapon designs look really good.

[@Archangelm127]

Still ready to pre-order that album, Mack.

[@markvanwalsem3201]

The BFG pre-order?...lol.

[@WorasLT]

There is huge problem with this game - I cant see anything because blood of my enemies flow unrestricted to form rivers of the damned :D

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

actually died a bunch of times because of this. the devs need to address this as soon as possible.

[@TheLivirus]

Doesn't sound like a problem to me.

[@doommaker4000]

@@arsenii_yavorskyi You can decrease the level of blood.

[@Simte]

Any plans to release the official vinyl of the songs for the Patreon supporters? Ahaha, fine video as usual Mack.

[@Bajso84]

I find a good reload animation & sound can be a very satisfying element in shooters, even adding to the pacing aspect aswell.

[@ShagadelicBY]

Finally a retro fps that doesn't look nasty!

[@MrSongib]

I mean . . .

[@ShagadelicBY]

@@MrSongib They're usually too visually faithful 🤷‍♂️

[@darken2417]

I think it actually looks kinda nice eventhough I'm one of those people who wouldn't touch your original boomer games lol. Its kinda like when a dev makes pixel graphics look stunning. Not quite there yet though.

[@ShagadelicBY]

@@darken2417 I agree.

[@SApcGUY]

My christmas wishlist for Mack this year: - Full playthrough of BlackMesa Xen Chapter

[@kva1770]

really dig the art style and level aesthetic in this one

[@permavirgin3595]

I don't understand the argument about checkpoints. Checkpoints as opposed to save whenever you want actually make the game harder and doesn't allow you to "cheat" yourself through the game. Most old FPSs with quicksave were extremly easy.

[@jakekuznetsov8870]

Checkpoints are for a little console kids

[@ihave7sacks]

So re spawning into an area with no monsters and 100% health is harder for you?

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

these checkpoints respawn the player, but the monsters stay dead. that's the problem.

[@brando4848]

2:56 I had my earphones unplugged when he played that and I swear my whole room shook

[@festival3051]

Lmao that bass donk shakes hard

[@s0lid_sno0ks]

I think the checkpoints would be fine if the levels actually reset to that point. As it stands, they just function as an infinite life system.

[@juanmshaw5617]

Totally agree.

[@cali5ive124]

I have now been coming for the songs, i hope they’re permanent in all reviews 😂😂😂 instant classics

[@michaelboys2602]

As soon as I saw the title to this video, my first thought was “He’s gonna sing Big F*****g Gun at sone point” and you didn’t disappoint, Mack!! I never get tired of hearing it 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.

[@jimmyrustler8983]

Very reminiscent of Duke Nukem 3D, which I loved as a kid.

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

how is it similar to Duke? the visual aesthetic and enemy roster is practically identical to Doom.

[@prodeusgame8592]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@nickblack2006]

What's the race of the Shooter tho ?

[@nickblack2006]

@@stuartfleming Good Nice to hear, The Correct mix and Ratio.

[@DJ_Luna.]

"Give me a big fucking gun, a big pile of elephant dung, give me a big fucking gun" awesome vid mack haha great songs and great reviews!

[@smokeyjo7420]

remember voodoo graphics cards? tiny things with no fan required. we had a sleepover when one of our friends got a new pc with voodoo. omg good times

[@astealoth]

I like where Prodeus is going, can't wait to see what it is like with another year of content development. Seems like they've come up to a pretty good state really quickly. I agree that the saving system is the weakest aspect, but I don't get too hung up on the weapon mechanics. There's lots of old school inspiration for weapons, you can find an excuse to fit almost anything, like Blood weapons.

[@abrahamalviarez5870]

I'm playing this in gamepass for pc, amazing game! very fast gunplay, the enemies dont let u rest, a solid 9/10 for me.

[@fredrikbystrom7380]

He's got a point about the checkpoint system. Too frequent checkpoints brings you out of the immersion and not respawning enemies is just "cheating". Very much disagree with the alt-fire modes on guns though, that's just fun.

[@RuddsReels]

By the looks of it. The Checkpoint system seems optional.

[@zachgoodrich6100]

I'm enjoying and loving Prodeus for what it is so far and look forward to what the complete access has in store for us! You should play and do a review for Ghostrunner, it's really fun! Definitely go with the PC version from Steam!

[@TheLastWhiteKid]

Been with Mac since he was at a measly 7.5k subscribers. Keep up the great content brother!

[@Gruntvc]

Getting tired of indie FPS games milking the early 90s style of FPS games. When they gonna start making FPS games in the style of late 90s and early 2000s FPS games? Trepang2 is the only one that comes to mind.

[@Gorrano985]

Agree

[@gangatalishis]

Trepang2 has so much potential

[@Skrenja]

Yeah 2004 was the golden age.

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

what are you talking about? they've been making these kinds of shooters for 20 years.

[@rolfvansoelen8916]

I must say, I had a blast of a time with this game. I was very impressed with it, and for me, the fun-factor was very high. Yeah, the CP system sucks a bit, but I can live with it. The levels all feel great, and get better and better along the way, and that keeps you coming back for more. One of the most addictive games I played in a long time.

[@thevlaka]

amazing sprite work. thats all

[@alphatonic1481]

I agree with your negative points except the alternate firemodes. Unreal has alternate firemodes for every single gun.

[@Phobosinadamant]

I think Dusk is and always will be the definitive 'old school' shooter in my mind, such a fantastic game!

[@Greybeard101]

I totally agree. I never quite forgave Mack for making the procedurally generated MOTHERGUNSHIP his GOTY instead of the beautifully crafted Dusk :-D

[@sxx01]

The graphics are very nice. They managed to get a special mix. Oldshool but modern and very beautiful at the end. Im playing since wolfenstein3d, duke nukem and all this, Those games were great at their time but in memories much butter as they have been. Prodeus is the first game what gave me the feeling i got back in the days. Its amazing.

[@Yer_Da_]

£20 for four hours is WAB? Hmm... I realize there's more content to come, but without guarantee of how good the rest will be it's a dubious WAB

[@RuddsReels]

Good point!

[@Brekner]

Not for me, but watching the videos is always fun.

[@NorthernStarshine]

Don't hate on alt fire modes. BLOOD is a shooter of the old and it's the greatest of the greats, and it had alternate fire modes... Which were amazing!

[@sabledray]

When I first saw previews and impressions of this game, I rolled my eyes, thinking of the over saturation of this sub-genre...bought and played it today and it completely won me over. Go support the devs and buy this game.

[@GentlemanNietzsche]

Thanks Mack, I've been waiting for your review before spending money on this game.

[@rochmel1409]

When this review started i was taken straight back to the days of Doom, Quake and in my case especially, Duke Nukem 3D. It was all so new then and so exciting. Every couple of months the new game would be so much better than that which had gone before albeit that it probably required you to upgrade your hardware! :-) I'm tempted to give this a go. I just hope that the developers take on board some of your comments. Thanks for all your great work. Mack

[@grafmecx2641]

Unreal 1 through 3 was my childhood memories

[@Rysslassable]

Ever since internet started to get common people wanted to start competing, leaderboards are needed. We also need moderation of leaderboards, there always is someone who takes a lap 30 sec faster than everyone else or otherwise has that time machine. BUT, DOOM didn't have high score tables because it was the start of the 90's,, you had to post you'r scores/times yourself (remember gran turismo) now we have internet and can compete and get hacked with and by everyone. And I also remember playing DOOM and just had to get by a room and tried like thirty times before success, that's what you want in a game, yes, the feeling of achievement.

[@WorthABuyreviews]

I am yet to see an unhacked leaderboard which is why I don't really bother with them.

[@zerotactix5739]

Ultrakill is the best Quake like experience you'll get. And it plays better than any game out there.

[@JohnSmith-wj2wd]

Something worth noting is that the pixelated mess is actually a shader on top of normal 3D objects and animations, which can be enabled or disabled. I know it doesn't matter a lot gameplay wise, but I think it is something very impressive from a technical standpoint.

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

I wish they'd actually given us the option to have weapons look properly 3D as well.

[@jmac79ers]

Mack's musical prowess is hardcore

[@rustyfmj2388]

ROFL, those meme songs are very catchy. Keep the good content coming

[@gavinwilliams6000]

Checkpoints. Can anyone remember the lovely floating blue diamond in the original tomb raider games or the ink ribbons on Resi!!!! Good old days.

[@OSRS.N.a.m.a.s.t.e]

Love your content, Mack

[@holdthetruthhostage]

Mack Pieces of Wood nailed into your PC as a graphic card haha

[@Hard2hit94]

Can't wait for Mack to drop his next track "big fookin guns"

[@Daimo83]

I'm having flashbacks of how Polygon played Doom in 2016

[@southwardfaun9008]

Thank you for talking about the checkpoint system. I love almost everything about this game except that most of the game has no fail state.

[@jamiemb17]

I don't play these kinds of games, but leaving enemies dead when you reload a checkpoint sounds bizarre.

[@AleK0451]

whenever mack says alt fire modes aren't old school that makes me think he's never played blood

[@BuzzaB77]

FPS of old to some could mean unreal Mac, don't forget that's 2 decades old now

[@Protonwar]

Thanks for the review, was wondering about this. They could make a few simple changes to fix some of your gripes. Change the checkpoint system to just an autosave like doom. And then also a button for auto save :) I hope the devs watch your review!

[@edwardingania1983]

Amid Evil, Dusk, Ion Maiden and also next year Brutal fate by the creator of Brutal doom and also Graven which seems to be an open world FPS, i thought you'd love this stuff mack.

[@maxviolence5604]

I have watched 1st episode with that song on my own and when my lass came back home we had few beers and i started singing THAT BIG FUCKIN GUN! the look she gave me - priceless

[@f1jones544]

I didn't even know what a graphics card was during my first couple years of PC gaming in the 90s lol

[@RuddsReels]

5:10 - Mack! Checkpoints were not on old consoles and it certainly wasn't due to any limitations! The first ever Checkpoint System, at least on console, was on Halo: Combat Evolved and those checkpoints saved the whole game, even if you turned the game off!

[@COMMONsenseAdvocate86]

Love how it's been able to mold old(animations and design)& new(overall gun control/play feels just like other current first-person shooters)features together and more or less makes it work with great quality. Of course, Doom & Quake were the obvious inspirations for the design team and the creators when developing the thing. But it is certainly NOT a game in either one of those franchise; complaining that there shouldn't be cross hairs because D & Q + other era games don't have cross hairs is pretty insignificant in the first place. But assuming that it should be exactly like them in most ways takes away from the fact that its a stand-alone title that is not tied to anyone style or trait of anything else and... im ranting nonsense now. The point is, the game is fcking fun. When that heavy metal comes in and killing time arrives; i thoroughly enjoyed it! Especially when i get really REALLY stoned and put the headphones on.

[@DaveJohnsonUT]

I gave you a like for that song. Loved it!

[@e1337prodigy]

I think it actually looks pretty good. It has smart visuals mixed with classic 2D. Similar to how some games graphics changed games, like the original Borderlands, or XIII. But this mixes old 2D with some good graphics.

[@DrTeeth66]

Prodeus has the best of both worlds. You can choose 240/360p modes and add adjustable CRT, scanline or pixel effects - or run it at native 4K and change the sprites to proper 3D models (and they're adding modelled weapons later). It can actually look really impressive.

[@e1337prodigy]

@@DrTeeth66 cool. I'm really tempted. It's cheaper on green Man gaming too. Don't forget to use worth a buys link.

[@wolfyplay7333]

"Old School", "Retro" are nothing more than subjective buzzwords to get folks like us who find today's shooters boring - Enough mincing words, Prodeus is another awesome shooter!

[@mike_lowndes]

Yah forgot Marathon! Heathen.

[@SEPK09]

Love 16bit graphics.

[@bloodrunsclear]

Between the BFG song and Heat from The Cops I'm waiting for the Mac Mix Tape!

[@theknightjester]

I come back for the big fucking gun song

[@Admiral-Blackbeard]

Mack, i usually dont comment, however, If i need an honest review, this is the channel. You deserve so many more subs. Keep up what you are doing my man!

[@agbrenv]

I agree with the checkpoint system, and while I'm personally fine with the reloading, I don't completely agree with your opinion on alt fire modes, Blood and Blood 2 are oldschool shooters as well, with alt fire modes, one of the expansions of Quake, Dissolution Of Eternity or whatever it was called, literally gave your guns alternative fire mods, Hexen had alt fire mods plus the aiming down sights is part of the alt fires, like with the Pistol, it doesn't effect accuracy, it just gives a 3 round burst as alt fire, the Chaos Gun and the Plasma Gun have aim down sight alt fire mods because the weapon HUD indicates when the shot is ready since they have a short cooldown when using the alt fire

[@Xterminator]

This does bring back memories of old school shooters for sure. Just a shame they added all the modern day stuff to it. By the way Mack, any plans to revisit Factorio now that it's out of Early Access? A lot has changed since your original review.

[@tannerhill9648]

This game looks really easy. Hope they improve this because it looks great.

[@jasmosanew6146]

I love those songs... the bfg song, the console game song lol.. I think there is one more?

[@unstableordinance]

I still want games like blood/duke nukem, games with immersion and interactivity with the environment, and a kickass protaganist, bland old school shooters like this dont interest me. Ion Fury attempted this but was kinda lackuster, so am keeping an eye out...

[@Svemirsky]

2:55 is what you came here for

[@schlitzbull13]

2:57 yessss lol. My initial impression was it felt like brutal doom with Dark Forces maps. And yes, subconsciously I hit F6. and was sad.

[@ghrostad]

I appreciate your opinion. I appreciate the quick save on doom on ultra violence. Dont like the check points. Loving the iron sights

[@renanmalone742]

Mack's song's Man...👍🏻

[@paulvalentine4157]

Mack, sorry you can never go back. It is a hard and bitter pill I have been swallowing now for about two years. I think it will metabolize on my 50th birthday next year.

[@Cypeq]

I really don't mind when checkpoints are used to keep challenge consistent

[@Xoniksken]

"Old school Shitter" Mack had to change it to "of Old", I feel ya Mack.. lol

[@PanacheConnection]

Some games in the early 90s did have leaderboards if I'm not mistaken where you had to type your name but ur name had to be three letters long. So if your name wasn't something like Pat you couldn't type in your whole name. Or was that the early 80s?? God I'm old.

[@chrisall8110]

Fair review

[@farpo_]

I think this is one of your misses Mack

[@edmpire3344]

Tbf... when lookin at the depth that this game brings in comp. to older games like classic doom... I am glad it is the way it is right now because I wouldnt pay 25 bucks for a game like old doom...

[@totalrecone]

"A big fookin' gune A big fookin' gune A big pile o gutes Who gives a fook A big fookin' gune" Ah, they dont write em like that anymore ;)

[@steam-SMOKEY]

Reminds me of the unreal tournament days 💯

[@PalebobUK]

"Gimmy a BIG fookin' gun!"

[@DanDevey]

Been waiting for this one. By the looks of things it doesn't do anything Doom mods don't do already. Think I'll wait for the extra content as doom wad is still cheaper and the mods are free. Glad you visited it though!

[@DrTeeth66]

It plays like Doom 3 - if it were were a direct sequel to Doom 2! The level design is great though, a bit like Quake 1 but with even more secrets. You should definitely check it out, you can always get a refund if you think it overpriced.

[@DanDevey]

@@DrTeeth66 Fair point. My main issue is the price, especially as it's not even finished. You can get Doom 2 for £3.99 on steam right now, and the amount of mods available is enough to keep you occupied for years. Look at Brutal Doom for example, and the amount of work that went into it. I don't see how this game is worth the money if it doesn't do anything that hasn't already been done - and done better by cheaper or free alternatives. Just my opinion, but I get what you're saying.

[@dikvarkentje]

You should consider an alternate channel featuring only your music/songs ;) .

[@MrSkullHead1250]

Games today rely too much on auto saving. If I have to leave in a timely manner, I just want to be able to save where I ever I am, not wait til I hit a checkpoint or auto save location.

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

you got it wrong. actual auto-saving saves your progress as you play, or at least on exit. this game, on the other hand, has a very impractical check-point system.

[@MrSkullHead1250]

@@arsenii_yavorskyi I'd still rather manual saves lol. I've also played games that have auto save, and did not save on exit, so I've had plenty of experiences where I had to get to a certain point to exit the game. In my opinion that is illogical. I get some games are built this way for challenge purposes, but I have played plenty of games that very much needed a manual save feature and did not have one.

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

@@MrSkullHead1250 the game should have proper check-points in case the player dies, but auto-save progress in the background in case the player exits the game. manual saving would be just an annoying chore and a way to bypass some of the difficulty (which is already non-existent).

[@Tobiu]

I respect your opinion on it. But I disagree. I think it is a good decision from the developers (they are only three guys working on this) to put modern aspects into the game. It makes it accessible for a newer generation as well. And this game will be available on all consoles after the early access. I agree with the checkpoint system it's a bit overpowered and needs adjustment. The optical variety is a weakpoint for me as well. That reminded me a lot of quake 1. Where every chapter had it own style. The level design is heavily inspired from quake, doom and especially from quake 2. An I don't think the game is slow. Btw this game will get coop and multiplayer as well. The community is building great maps as well. And also worth to mention you can turn on 3d models. Because the enemies and all the sprite effects in this game are still 3d models or based on 3D models. This game tries to build bridges between the new school and old school and I think they did a fantastic job so far. Can't wait for more enemies levels guns and multiplayer.

[@Moljofeis]

Reloading, ads and secondary fire in fps is a good thing. PERIOD. If you disagree, try brutal doom, it will change your mind :) It might not be oldschool, but it makes oldschool games better.