Product Review: Thrustmaster Viper TQS Throttle Mission Pack

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[@Mr.Su-35Flanker-E]

Can you do Russian Х-31 air-to-surface missile vs. Patriot?

[@grimreapers]

Isn't X-31 the old 1980's Krypton missile? Ooo, that's old tech. Already done: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJXSqpmBnMaChKc

[@Phalanx443]

Licensed by the U.S. Air Force. With an AF price tag, too - $500 US.

[@WhereNerdyisCool]

That's a beefy throttle. I am glad you covered the mounting options.

[@jacob9ist]

All plastic is 'beefy'? Nat to say it doesn't look a bit durable, but remember, this is $500+, compared to winwing, which has a bunch of different options in their base. With their offering of an f-16 throttle for $320

[@aquamich129]

are you going to comment below every comment like a nice WW fan boy? ah yes... you are doing it...@@jacob9ist

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Another great review Skil. Thank you! 👍

[@skilgannon5069]

Thankyou sir.👍

[@PassportBrosBusinessClass]

I'll stick with my Logitech X56. I typically play as the FA-18. Lock the twin throttle together and you can pretend it's single engine for the F-16 or the F-35.

[@TrevorCokley]

That looks awesome, but it doesn't seem to compete with WinWing's price point for something extremely similar. If it was cheaper, then hell yeah, but $500 is a lot to ask for.

[@jacob9ist]

$500 is a lot to ask for, $560 is just a scam. WINWING all day.

[@EbonySeraphim]

Why did Winwing put a 4-way switch on the MANRNG knob? A number of reviews, and even by my eye, that primary/normal control for the F-16 is considerably more difficult to use because there are 4 extra controls.

[@jacob9ist]

@@EbonySeraphim how functuonal is a 5 way hat over a button or knob? Easy. The control is easy to use, they're just pansies.

[@JT-or1on]

I used to not sure of WW’s F16 throttle because of the bare wire… Now this is perfect for a 16 guy like me! Already pre ordered it at Mid August!

[@jacob9ist]

You thought paying $560 for a limited and toy looking throttle was a better option than a similar and ultimately functionally 'the same' thing, was a better buy than a cheaper and higher quality option for $320? Homeboy got finnessed.

[@JT-or1on]

⁠​⁠@@jacob9istwell, it’s not released yet so there is no way you can judge if Winwing is an ‘higher quality option’. For me at least, it seems not. Because Ww does not have authorization by US Air Force. Look closer to compare and you will see. Ww is not1:1 replication. I look for simulation, not simple Game controller. For me of cause.

[@jacob9ist]

@@JT-or1on Doesn't take a double-take to look at something, see that it looks toy-like, less buttons and switches, has less functionality, and is ultimately overpriced. The air-force spends money on anything that they can justify spending money on, using that as a marketing point to gaslight yourself into a bad financial decision isn't a proper point to argue at all. Hey, your money though, enjoy the $560, non swappable, trash.

[@JT-or1on]

@@jacob9istthat’s exactly what I was talking about. Some people choose functionality over realism. A game controller with more bottom over replication. But unfortunately I am not that type of person. It’s very much of a personal choice. I just don’t like how WW’s bare wire was designed. It could be as good, but just not my type. If you really have problem with TM I won’t stop you to choose other option anyway. Ww is not the only solution. At least for me man

[@jacob9ist]

@@JT-or1on For replica, it doesn't even really offer a functional 'sim' appeal does it? The only difference here is the man rng knob.

[@ikwilgeenkanaalzeur]

Looks great!

[@SJkopa]

WOW !!! CRAZY must buy!!!!!

[@paulg7002]

I just switched from t16000m set to x56 HOTAS. This is very pricy. I was able to mount the x56 HOTAS to the Thrustmaster Flying Clamps if anyone wondered.

[@BCSchmerker]

+GrimReapersAtomic *Thanks for the preview.* Tek Creations has a far more accurate repro o' the typical F-16 cockpit than Thrustmaster had budget to accomplish.

[@branjosnow6244]

Those lights will only be useable with the T.A.R.G.E.T. software, you can add them to your switch macros. It's a nice touch, the Warthog has 5 of them.

[@EbonySeraphim]

Though it seems like a money grab to only have the LG and emergency stores jettison in the upper section of the panel, there is a reason for it. If your throttle is sitting at desk height (which many of us do because we have a multipurpose desk and chair), then buttons in front of the throttle grip are very hard to reach and pretty annoying to use in flight. They may even be annoying to use during startup. I use Virpil CM3 now and by design, they put nothing back there and I love it. It may not be a design that suits everyone, but it has a reason that isn't as shallow as the hate people have for Thrustmaster. I also have a Virpil CP in front of my throttle, and it has to be a minimum distance in front of it to comfortably clear the throttle + finger lifts moving forward, and a bit more to access the lowest row of switches and buttons cleanly. I know we say "more buttons is better" in flight simming, but there are limits and we forget that DCS has a epic modifier system. You really shouldn't be running out of controls.

[@TomahawkDan]

Thrustmaster customer service has been absolutely absent and awful. I sold my warthog for an Orion 2 f16 base and throttle and it’s so much better

[@devonerickson7215]

Hamilton with a NATO band? Classy.

[@skilgannon5069]

Aye, original leather Nato strap broke, trying to find a decent replacement, but as it's a 50mm bezel with 24mm width strap, choices are pretty limited...

[@MrKhallimero]

At least the slew looks decent, unlike the one on the warthog

[@nemisis_wolf]

Might be a replica but it looks like a toy and as already stated by many it's way overpriced. For that price you can buy winwing f-16EX throttle Irion 2 base AND thier F16-EX grip and orion stick base as a Combo I think trustless still think they are the best of the best. They used to be but they are no longer top of the pile with no competition. Winwing, Virpil and VKB are all much more price competitive high quality options. If it was cheaper and didn't look so much like a toy they would have a good product but it fails on looks and price. ThrustMaster need to have a good long look at the current market place and realistically place themselves in it cause they still seem to think there is no other competition.

[@RafaPolit]

I see no mention on the choice of buttons to include in the base. Do you think those are the “best” things you would bind? How many times in flight do you change the CMS program? Or turn off chaff or flare? How often do you change from cat I to cat III? Obviously you can bind them to different things, but seems like a missed opportunity, even if you are only flying the F-16! As soon as you include other frames into the mix, this just falls apart. So, unless you only fly the F-16, and have a button for every single thing in the cockpit, this seems like a very niche and limited device. Hard pass from me as well. Even if it cost half of what it is, it would be hard to justify… with tat price tag? No way!

[@user-nh6cw5wu2p]

external fuel indicator for fuel tanks.

[@jamesmcd71]

It's way too expensive. The entire F16 Winwing setup is less than this.

[@ROTNReaper]

The only way ill trade my X56 for this is if there are more mapable buttons and sliders then it. I find even the X56 could use more for DCS

[@123TheCloop]

look into the VKB STECS just released, its far superior for a lower price and they do some decent software programmable switches/encoders

[@jacob9ist]

Do not look into the STECS. Look into the winwing lineup and see what you think of their f-16ex stick, f-15EX throttle.. Then discover you can get a whole new hotas that is considered at the 'high end' for $420 right now. Then compare a stecs and gladiator NXT, which is high-mid, for $444.

[@wash_out]

The price is not right 🫣

[@pjhaebe]

Looks solid but it looks like a solid piece of shit. It doesn’t mimick the actual panel, just has some random switches and knobs for random things. I wish it was a layout of the actual paneL, pretty much everything from ECM forward. And wtf is with the stupid LED lights? That’s just a total waste of space. IMO, no way I’m spending that much for something like that. I’ll be sticking with my warthog

[@MrNoobed]

Ibam so engaged

[@Chio_OB]

Great review, I'd love one, can't justify the £££ though. Bit too pricy for a throttle IMO

[@arcticshogunb]

Nioce

[@y4nk_vr]

hello, good video, can this throttle go with a HOTAS A10 Warthog support or do you have to buy a different support?

[@skilgannon5069]

If you mean a mount, you can use two of the same mounting holes (width) as the base of the Viper TQS has a siffent length. (See about 8:10 in the video)

[@TooMuchButtHair]

For an F18 main, what's a smarter buy, Winwing or Thrust Master? I'm getting tired of playing with an Xbox controller.

[@jacob9ist]

Winwing... Not even a competition. Their fa18 hotas is $400 (Stick AND throttle). Meanwhile their comparable hotas is only available at $500? With their stick having a lower quality base that can't be modified. Winwing is the best choice for money IMO.

[@mfreed40k]

WinWing all day.

[@soulsmaniac5550]

How does the red landing gear light come on?

[@theoneneo5024]

Looks good and I like the quality but it almost seems too specialized. Meaning it would be harder to use with other games and aircraft than a more generic throttle.

[@sleveille4]

hmm i can already see how i'd map it to my M2000c.....

[@soulsmaniac5550]

How do you turn on the airplane landing gear light?

[@luka4328]

hello nice video

[@boltthrower3215]

I haven‘t seen the LEDs of the gear lever, don’t they work?

[@skilgannon5069]

I guess do work, but I was using beta drivers and didn't install Thrustmaster's T.A.R.G.E.T. software (because it is terrible), so I could not get the them to work.

[@123TheCloop]

nearly £500, better of getting the VKB STECS Max for like £350 (including tax) and have way more buttons along with better software to program the encoders to axes if you so wish

[@jacob9ist]

Winwing opened up a warehouse in the UK... they are a cheaper and better option.

[@Hyper2235]

do some asmr bro 🙏🙏

[@marcquintin7855]

No offense but too expensive, you can get a Orion2 F-16EX Viper Throttle for cheaper and better quality

[@gibmeister5854]

Oh yeah 550 is wayyyyyyyy more than winwing and it has plastic internals

[@Phalanx443]

@@gibmeister5854 Actually, the difference is $170 LESS for the WWO2 setup. Oh, and there are very few, if any plastic parts (none that wear against each other) in WW. While there are KEY COMPONENTS in TM's equipment that are plastic and they wear against other pieces. I have both, so, yeah.

[@Vortex31415]

Definitely not better quality from Winwing. Several reviews have already confirmed that the switches and axes are smoother and higher quality on the Thrustmaster TQS.

[@Phalanx443]

@@Vortex31415 It's PLASTIC! All the parts are freakin' PLASTIC! LMAO!!!

[@CaptHalcyon]

@@Vortex31415I find that very hard to believe. Metal vs plastic. Maybe the Thrustmaster feels better for a month. Then the problems will start to roll in because of the plastic internals.

[@mm3mm3]

Cool as F’!

[@PhantomMark]

Overpriced pile of nonsense that is at least 3yrs too late to market. Just like their wheels they are late to the party and have lost their market share as a result, new players in the market who sell more interesting better or equal quality kit at cheaper prices, who had literally several years to establish themselves now. I take no pleasure saying that, I have been a loyal Thrustmaster customer since the 90's !!! They got lazy and they got complacent !

[@nemisis_wolf]

Got to agree on all of these points. They still seem to think they are the only ones in the high end market and thier latest kit falls far short of more higher end but cheaper competitors

[@RobbyQuarantined]

There’s only one thrust master…and that’s CAP

[@grimreapers]

erm

[@bearcatracing007]

onlyCap

[@jiffa6414]

i wish i had the money to get this😢

[@trottheblackdog]

Wow TM is answering Winwing!

[@PhantomMark]

Not with this half baked product they aren't ???

[@Phalanx443]

Only in price.

[@jacob9ist]

With a toy-looking product that's $200 above their target competition? Sure. TM fanboys are lacking neurons

[@jasinski2137]

What is name of liverie from thumbnail?

[@grimreapers]

I think it's the Polish ravens?

[@jasinski2137]

@@grimreapers thanks

[@Ultrabrezel]

$529.99 for that is outrageous compared WW, virpl etc

[@m0rph3u5.]

Thanks for the review, but I'll pass.. Super happy with Virpil setup. There is no versatility with this, unfortunately, unlike VPL's throttle, especially if you play in VR

[@shadynasty69]

looks like a lot of wasted space

[@jaapaap123]

Does thrustmaster still have the same crappy customer service?

[@RW-zn8vy]

Yep