Profiting from Donations: Voucher Scheme Loophole

Donations to private school voucher programs (67% of private schools are religious) are eligible for a charitable deductible from the federal government.
At the same time, many states offers an in-state voucher program that gives taxpayers a full credit for donations to private school voucher programs.
Now, as a result, people in these states may actually make a profit from donating to private school voucher programs.
They receive a full tax credit from their state, and they pay lower taxes to the federal government because they’re able to deduct the donation from their reportable income.
No such loophole exists for donations to public schools.
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[@kadourimdou43]

Religious schools should not be a thing. Children growing up apart from others can not be good.

[@ckahlquist2129]

That decision should be left up to parents.

[@florisvdwetering]

CK Ahlquist Or to the child themselves?

[@ckahlquist2129]

I don't think so, but if a parent chooses to raise their children that way, sure.

[@kadourimdou43]

CK Ahlquist Do parents choices trump what’s best for the Child?

[@ckahlquist2129]

@@kadourimdou43 "What's best for the child" is a slippery slope. Schooling is a decision that is best left to parents.

[@bhk110]

This scheme is ridiculous. I went to Catholic school in the 80s and 90s (sadly) back when tuition was moderately priced and my parents never received a tax break, nor should they have.

[@MonteiroM]

Disgusting, that needs to stop!

[@21taneone]

I only want to be forced to pay for public schools!

[@nalissolus9213]

Haha, I was about to write something similar. This is short, funny and straight to the point.

[@DrogoBaggins987]

Silver Geordie Looking at the options available just makes me glad that I didn't have children.

[@Paul-A01]

Religious schools indoctrinate their students with propaganda. I much rather prefer my propaganda and indoctrination to come from the state!

[@LRBeforeTheInternet]

+Anthony Mig Don't take money out of the economy and you wont be legally obliged to put money back into it, Anthony. :)

[@skaruts]

ƁᴇғᴏʀᴇƮʜᴇļɴᴛᴇʀɴᴇᴛ how is he taking money out of the economy?

[@jonathanjones9094]

I'm also being forced to subsidize people who are able but choose not to pull their weight in society. I'm being forced to subsidize alot of things worse than these schools.....

[@speadskater]

I think that this music may be a little too aggressive.

[@ctwentysevenj6531]

There is the same debate in Australia how the government is subsidising private schools, many are religious schools.

[@memorialmovies8830]

It goes both ways, the overwhelming majority of tax payer revenue goes to fund public schools that promote secular values, not religious ones, regardless of a tax credit. We subsidize a lot of things...

[@Feniso]

In Spain not only are they "tax exempt", but also receive almost all their money directly from the government. It's cheaper than public schools. Kind of subcontracting. Almost all of them religious, of course.

[@SatanistSin]

The music is a bit over the top. I half expected the ending to be like, "And Bin-laden is back!"

[@darthnixilis304]

I think the dislikes are almost entirely for the music. Sounds like an antagonist theme for an 80s movie.

[@darrentayloe9439]

A valid response would be to establush a private school that would promote secular values and let the school compete with other private schools for funding.

[@skaruts]

And free of marxist indoctrination too.

[@kimsland999]

I could not send my child to a school where if she sneezes the 'teachers' will say 'god bless you'. Or that prayers (ill informed guesses) are a good thing to say to others! A lot of people try to weigh up the benefits of the education aspect, I say that the fact that the faculty MUST be deluded to be there, is a BIG warning sign. Don't put your kids in harmful situations like religious schools, they may get bullied by other kids because they prefer reason and knowledge (you know the opposite to these teachers beliefs!). Deluded teacher: Now kids, we are going to learn about the science theory of evolution! Kid: Isn't that also a fact? Deluded teacher: Huh, that's what science says, but science says a lot of things that aren't true. Kid: Mom I've got to get out of this school of fools. I AGREE.

[@kimsland999]

Lol, lets do that one ;) Deluded teacher: "You act like you are a genie that actually descovered that life came just by chance" YOUNG Kid: Um, science doesn't say that! Isn't that like saying Thor brings lightning because What Else Could It be, you know, argument from ignorance? Deluded teacher: Doesn't science say that? And isn't that what you believe? YOUNG Kid: Um, NO to BOTH. All evolutionists and naturalists and humanists AND atheists do not 'believe' we all came from chance! By the way where do you think life came from? Deluded teacher: My particular mythical God created us, all from nothing :) YOUNG Kid: You are SO deluded its shameful. There's NO good reason or sufficient evidence for your particular mythical God > NONE. And feelings in your heart (muscle) and ridiculous faith is not evidence or even a simple reason for ANYTHING! Learning yet? Even a YOUNG kid knows this stuff, aren't you embarrassed by your absurd beliefs in Jesus filth? And by the way thanks for pinpointing the essence of what I was talking about. Christians are the embarrassment to the evolved human mind.

[@drgeorgej5562]

Well how else do you suggest I can reserve the spot in heaven then??? Ridiculous

[@funnymicepacman4457]

could it be that private schools usually offer a better education then public schools

[@hardcorejab]

Awesome!

[@tsuchan]

Help me out a bit here, because I'm not USA-ian. If the school budget is $1,000,000 and is entirely funded on fees with top-rate tax relief (39.6%?) that still means $604,000 (60.4%) of the budget is paid privately. Compared with a public (state) school which is 100% state funded (isn't it?). So unless the per-pupil budget of the private (religious) school is more than 60.4% higher than the state school, the tax-payers in general are winners, huh? I'm not saying I approve of this tax relief - I don't. But I'm not sure it's completely correct to say the tax payer is subsidising religious schools... only in a sense. Or am I wrong?

[@tsuchan]

By the way, in the UK, they have religious-based state schools, which are 100% funded by the state. Oh dear. :-(

[@___SourR34___]

I hope this isn't in Oregon.

[@b1aflatoxin]

I'm not sure. This video makes me think of those people living without school age children who complain endlessly about their tax dollars going towards their neighbor's kids education. But I get the video's point, I never considered that the majority of these vouches go towards institutions that may undermine our hard won secular values. ..So thanks. ;)

[@pauldavies9360]

If I wanted to read I would have search the web not KZbin!

[@goofygrimes842]

What's with the plague inc music

[@causticorator618]

Dude...Rich Dawk... C'mon...

[@WarmWeatherGuy]

This video may do more harm than good. I can't share it on Facebook because my religious nut family will then start to direct their tax dollars to private schools.

[@2gointruth]

This world is becoming exactly as Jesus had already prophesied: about all those who lead and teach religions, including those of Christianity, the Pope and all his priests… “Beware of false prophets, men who come to you dressed up as sheep while underneath they are savage wolves. You will recognize them by the fruits they bear.” - (Matthew 7: 15-16) - “Do not call any man on earth ‘father’; for you have one Father and he is in heaven. Nor must you be called ‘teacher’; you have one Teacher, the Messiah.” - (Matthew 23: 9-10) - “Take care that no one misleads you: For many will come claiming my name…” - (Matthew 24: 4) - “Many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many; and as lawlessness spreads, men’s love for one another will grow cold. But the man who holds out to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the Kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the earth as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come.” - (Matthew 24: 11-14) - “God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” - (John 4: 24) - “I am the way; I am the truth and I am life; no one comes to the Father except by me. If you knew me you would know my Father too.” - (John 14: 6-7) - “When you pray, go into a room by yourself, and shut the door. Pray to your Father who is there in the secret place; and your Father who sees what is secret will reward you. In your prayers do not go babbling on like the heathen, who imagine that the more they say the more likely they are to be heard. Do not imitate them. Your Father knows what your needs are before you ask him. This is how you should pray: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, Your kingdom come; your will be done, on earth as in heaven, Give us today our daily bread, And forgive us the wrong we have done, as we have forgiven those who have wronged us. And do not bring us to the test, but save us from the evil one. For yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory, for ever. Amen. For if you forgive others the wrongs they have done, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; but if you do not forgive others, then the wrongs you have done will not be forgiven by your Father.” - (Matthew 6: 6-15) - “Pass no judgement, and you will not be judged. For as you judge others, so you will yourselves be judged, and whatever measure you deal out to others will be dealt back to you.” - (Matthew 7: 1-2) - “Truly I tell you; if anyone obeys my teaching he shall never know what it is to die.” - (John 8: 51) - “Always treat others as you would like them to treat you: that is the Law and the Prophets. Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life and only a few find it.” - (Matthew 7: 12-14) - “I am the gate; anyone who comes into the fold through me shall be safe.” - (John 10: 9) - “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.” - (Matthew 7: 21) - “I am the resurrection and I am life. If a man has faith in me, even though he dies, he shall come to life; and no one who is alive and has faith shall ever die.” - (John 11: 25-26) - “I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world” - (John 12: 47) - “Whoever then will acknowledge me before men, I will acknowledge him before my Father in heaven; and whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.” - (Matthew 10: 32-34) - “The disciples came to Jesus and asked, ‘Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of Heaven?’ He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. And he said: ‘Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven. Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of Heaven. And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me. If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, It would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!’” - (Matthew 18: 1-7) - “An expert in the law, [a leading religious Pharisee] tested him with this question: ‘Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?’ He answered, ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind. That is the greatest commandment. It comes first. The second is like it: Love your neighbour as yourself. Everything in the Law and the Prophets hangs on these two commandments.’” - (Matthew 22: 35-40) - “There is no greater love than this, that a man should lay down his life for his friends.” - (John 15: 13) - "Stay awake, and pray that you may be spared the test: The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak." - (Matthew 26: 41) - “And be assured, I am with you always, to the end of time.” - (Matthew 28: 20) - “One of the criminals who hung there also mocked and taunted him: ‘Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself, and us!’ But the other criminal rebuked him. ‘Have you no fear of God? You are under the same sentence as he. For us it is plain justice; we are paying the price for our misdeeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.’ And he said, ‘Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.’ He answered, “I tell you this: today you shall be with me in Paradise.’” - (Luke 23: 39-43) - “For it is my Father’s will that everyone who looks upon the Son and puts his faith in him shall possess eternal life; and I will raise him up on the last day” - (John 6: 40) - Yours always, in true Spirit and in prayer, 2gointruth, Friday the 26th of October, 2018: - (Matthew 5:14-16) - Where every minute can be a new beginning for any one of us: Here are more references for further study… - (Genesis 3: 24) - (Genesis 6: 5-6) - (Genesis 6: 11) - (Genesis 8: 21) - (Exodus 12: 17) - - (Exodus 25: 18-22) - (Leviticus 19: 18) - (Leviticus 26: 11-12) - (Deuteronomy 8: 3-4) - - (Deuteronomy 18: 18) - (Deuteronomy 29: 29) - (Joshua 22: 5) - (2 Samuel 6: 2) - - (2 Samuel 7: 12-14) - (Psalm 2: 2) - (Psalm 10: 3-7) - (Psalm 14: 1) - (Psalm 15) - - (Psalm 22) - (Psalm 66: 1) - (Proverbs 8: 17) - (Proverbs 15: 7-8) - (Isaiah 7: 14) - - (Isaiah 9: 6-7) - (Isaiah 52: 13) - (Isaiah 53) - (Isaiah 61: 1) - (Jeremiah 31: 31-34) - - (Jeremiah 47: 6-7) - (Ezekiel 28: 14-16 ) - (Daniel 7: 13-14) - (Micah 5: 4) - - (Micah 7: 6) - (Zephaniah 1: 7) - (Zechariah 9: 9) - (Zechariah 12: 10) - - (Also worth noting, are Aristotle, Confucius, Plato and Socrates, even Gandhi a humble man qualified in British Law and well-read in most all scriptures; he has also said; “You must be the change that you wish to see in the world.”) - - (Matthew 4: 19) - (Matthew 5: 10-12) - (Matthew 5:17) - (Matthew 5:19-20) - - (Matthew 5: 43-48) - (Matthew 6: 2-4) - (Matthew 7: 5) - (Matthew 7: 7-11) - - (Matthew 7: 24-27) - (Matthew 10: 32-34) - (Matthew 11: 28-30) - (Matthew 12: 30-37) - - (Matthew 23: 9-10) - (Mark 1: 9-11) - (Mark 9: 50) - (Mark 15: 4-5) - (((Luke 1: 1-4))) - - (Luke 4: 1-13) - (Luke 6: 22-36) - (Luke 6: 39) - (Luke 6: 46-49) - (Luke 9: 23-26) - - (Luke 12: 40) - (Luke 12: 48) - (John 6: 51) - (John 6: 53-58) - (John 7: 16-18) - - (John 8: 34-35) - (John 8: 12) - (John 8: 32) - (John 8: 58) - (John 10: 10-11) - - (John 10: 14-17) - (John 11: 25-26) - (John 12: 25-26) - (John 12: 44-50) - - (John 13: 20) - (John 13: 34) - (John 17: 24-26) - (((John 21: 24-25))) -

[@thosethatcan]

The best example of fighting against fascism lately aside from Antifa style . is American Atheists inc. At their youtube chann. The lady w. "Pedophiles suck. About how five states' laws sere changed Regards to pub prayer and domestic abuser s..

[@2gointruth]

Without Truth there would be no science and no you or me. Truth is God above all men. The very Spirit and Truth of all existence and life: - Men, who think that they know better than the very Spirit and Truth of all existence and life our true living God, are knocking on the door of insanity. When he is already and always will be the Father of all reality.

[@Paul-A01]

So when private individuals give money to a school, the state decides to not take more money from those people to pay for a different school?

[@2gointruth]

The difference between Immanuel, also called Jesus and all the many men who teach and preach the religions of this world (including Christianity) is that he is the only Son of man who was sent by our true Father, to be our one Teacher, the Messiah: All the rest are fake prophets who only want your hard earned cash in donations, for misleading you… “Beware of false prophets, men who come to you dressed up as sheep while underneath they are savage wolves. You will recognize them by the fruits they bear.” - (Matthew 7: 15-16) - “I am the light of the world. No follower of mine shall wander in the dark; he shall have the light of life.” - (John 8: 12) - “When you pray, go into a room by yourself, and shut the door. Pray to your Father who is there in the secret place; and your Father who sees what is secret will reward you. In your prayers do not go babbling on like the heathen, who imagine that the more they say the more likely they are to be heard. Do not imitate them. Your Father knows what your needs are before you ask him. This is how you should pray: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, Your kingdom come; your will be done, on earth as in heaven, Give us today our daily bread, And forgive us the wrong we have done, as we have forgiven those who have wronged us. And do not bring us to the test, but save us from the evil one. For yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory, for ever. Amen. For if you forgive others the wrongs they have done, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; but if you do not forgive others, then the wrongs you have done will not be forgiven by your Father.” - (Matthew 6: 6-15) - “Truly I tell you; if anyone obeys my teaching he shall never know what it is to die.” - (John 8: 51) - “Pass no judgement, and you will not be judged. For as you judge others, so you will yourselves be judged, and whatever measure you deal out to others will be dealt back to you.” - (Matthew 7: 1-2) - “Always treat others as you would like them to treat you: that is the Law and the Prophets. Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life and only a few find it.” - (Matthew 7: 12-14) - “I am the gate, anyone who comes into the fold through me shall be safe” - (John 10: 9) - “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.” - (Matthew 7: 21) - “I am the resurrection and I am life. If a man has faith in me, even though he dies, he shall come to life; and no one who is alive and has faith shall ever die.” - (John 11: 25-26) - “I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world” - (John 12: 47) - “Whoever then will acknowledge me before men, I will acknowledge him before my Father in heaven; and whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.” - (Matthew 10: 32-34) - “I am the way; I am the truth and I am life; no one comes to the Father except by me. If you knew me you would know my Father too.” - (John 14: 6-7) - “The disciples came to Jesus and asked, ‘Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of Heaven?’ He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. And he said: ‘Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven. Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of Heaven. And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me. If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, It would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!’” - (Matthew 18: 1-7) - “An expert in the law, [a leading religious Pharisee] tested him with this question: ‘Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?’ He answered, ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind. That is the greatest commandment. It comes first. The second is like it: Love your neighbour as yourself. Everything in the Law and the Prophets hangs on these two commandments.’” - (Matthew 22: 35-40) - “There is no greater love than this, that a man should lay down his life for his friends.” - (John 15: 13) - “Do not call any man on earth ‘father’; for you have one Father and he is in heaven. Nor must you be called ‘teacher’; you have one Teacher, the Messiah.” - (Matthew 23: 9-10) - “Take care that no one misleads you: For many will come claiming my name…” - (Matthew 24: 4) - “Many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many; and as lawlessness spreads, men’s love for one another will grow cold. But the man who holds out to the end will be saved.” - (Matthew 24: 11-13) - "Stay awake, and pray that you may be spared the test: The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak." - (Matthew 26: 41) - “And be assured, I am with you always, to the end of time.” - (Matthew 28: 20) - “One of the criminals who hung there also mocked and taunted him: ‘Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself, and us!’ But the other criminal rebuked him. ‘Have you no fear of God? You are under the same sentence as he. For us it is plain justice; we are paying the price for our misdeeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.’ And he said, ‘Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.’ He answered, “I tell you this: today you shall be with me in Paradise.’” - (Luke 23: 39-43) - “For it is my Father’s will that everyone who looks upon the Son and puts his faith in him shall possess eternal life; and I will raise him up on the last day” - (John 6: 40) - Yours always, in true Spirit and in prayer, 2gointruth, Monday the 8th of October, 2018: - (Matthew 5:14-16) - Every minute can be a new beginning for any one of us: Here are some more references to study further… - (Genesis 3: 24) - (Genesis 6: 5-6) - (Genesis 6: 11) - (Genesis 8: 21) - (Exodus 12: 17) - - (Exodus 25: 18-22) - (Leviticus 19: 18) - (Leviticus 26: 11-12) - (Deuteronomy 8: 3-4) - - (Deuteronomy 18: 18) - (Deuteronomy 29: 29) - (Joshua 22: 5) - (2 Samuel 6: 2) - - (2 Samuel 7: 12-14) - (Psalm 2: 2) - (Psalm 10: 3-7) - (Psalm 14: 1) - (Psalm 15) - - (Psalm 22) - (Psalm 66: 1) - (Proverbs 8: 17) - (Proverbs 15: 7-8) - (Isaiah 7: 14) - - (Isaiah 9: 6-7) - (Isaiah 52: 13) - (Isaiah 53) - (Isaiah 61: 1) - (Jeremiah 31: 31-34) - - (Jeremiah 47: 6-7) - (Ezekiel 28: 14-16 ) - (Daniel 7: 13-14) - (Micah 5: 4) - - (Micah 7: 6) - (Zephaniah 1: 7) - (Zechariah 9: 9) - (Zechariah 12: 10) - - (Also worth noting, are Aristotle, Confucius, Plato and Socrates, even Gandhi a humble man qualified in British Law and well-read in most all scriptures; he has also said; “You must be the change that you wish to see in the world.”) - - (Matthew 4: 19) - (Matthew 5: 10-12) - (Matthew 5:17) - (Matthew 5:19-20) - - (Matthew 5: 43-48) - (Matthew 6: 2-4) - (Matthew 7: 5) - (Matthew 7: 7-11) - - (Matthew 7: 24-27) - (Matthew 10: 32-34) - (Matthew 11: 28-30) - (Matthew 12: 30-37) - - (Matthew 23: 9-10) - (Mark 1: 9-11) - (Mark 9: 50) - (Mark 15: 4-5) - (((Luke 1: 1-4))) - - (Luke 4: 1-13) - (Luke 6: 22-36) - (Luke 6: 39) - (Luke 6: 46-49) - (Luke 9: 23-26) - - (Luke 12: 40) - (Luke 12: 48) - (John 6: 51) - (John 6: 53-58) - (John 7: 16-18) - - (John 8: 34-35) - (John 8: 32) - (John 8: 58) - (John 10: 10-11) - (John 10: 14-17) - - (John 11: 25-26) -(John 12: 25-26) - (John 12: 44-50) - (John 13: 20) - - (John 13: 34) - (John 17: 24-26) - (((John 21: 24-25))) -

[@xapemanx]

no, not really; why should a private school family get taxed twice for their child's education. you're wrong on it being unjust, but you are right on it being forced as you are forced to pay those taxes. end of the day in a voucher system the family decides where to send their children, so they can choose wither to send them to catholic school or not.

[@lucasfortes7705]

I'm an atheist, but if someone will pay less taxes to support institutions that they believe in, good for them. We shouldn't be forced to finance any school to begin with, but if I could at least choose the ones I'm supporting then all take that deal anytime.

[@CircumcisionIsChildAbuse]

did you just say we shouldn't be forced to pay for any school to begin with....oh yeah I guess the schools will run themselves and we can have a nice monopoly on the school system like mcdonalds vs burger king....im sure kids will learn a lot then.

[@CircumcisionIsChildAbuse]

I know right lol this guy doesnt want to pay taxes for a country in which he enjoys the luxuries of its citizenship XD you know those fancy services like police and fire departments that would save your life or stop your property from being destroyed. or the system that taught him how to read and write and think properly but it looks like they failed massively. he must be american.

[@QuietMikeW]

I have a signed copy of 'The God Delusion' if any collector type is looking for one.

[@DrogoBaggins987]

For some reason that hit me as very funny.

[@trythinkingforachange4201]

Richard - this video does you no credit, dramatic music and typed messages make it look very Juvenile. I agree with your position but this doesn't help promote it. Churches should be taxed, period. What ever happened to separation of church and state?

[@stevemechamoo9475]

I'm already forced to subsidize socialist indoctrination against my wishes. I would have embraced this video two years ago.

[@ElizaberthUndEugen]

this.

[@brendarua01]

Steve you tacitly agree to pay your taxes into the common pool when you accept the common services. You don't get to pick and choose. No one does. It wouldn't work But you're very welcome to pick up at any time and homestead your own place, one off the grid of all services, including law enforcement and fire control. Don't drive on any roads unless you built them yourself. But that's good because that way you're not faced with the hospital services you can't use. Or, you can grow up. Sheesh.

[@skaruts]

Yea, I guess the poorest people who can't afford a college education are tacitly agreeing to pay for the college education of those who can. And they're also tacitly agreeing to pay for the welfare of those who sit on it, and for the higher social security returns of those who earned more in life, and for healthcare during all the time they aren't needing it, or for the schools they won't need for the rest of their lives, etc. Yes, they live better off with less 30-40% of their income. It's all very fair and balanced, and I'm sure every single person was asked to sign a written agreement with the options to opt out.

[@enriquejunchaya5784]

Socialist indoctrination? What is going on in England?

[@ElizaberthUndEugen]

Are you living under a rock? Cultural Marxism is going on.

[@skaruts]

As much of a problem this may be, that we're being forced to subsidize sillicon valley and marxist indoctrination in universities is a much more pressing matter. By several orders of magnitude. While creationists kept failing to infest science classes for 40 years, marxists were infesting the social "sciences" classes, politics, the media, you name it...

[@DeoMachina]

This is a lie, btw. Marxists have little to no influence on anything. You people have been whining about Marxists for a literal human lifetime. If they were a threat they'd have done something by now.

[@DrogoBaggins987]

skaruts Agreed.

[@skaruts]

DeoMachina, what planet are you speaking to me from? kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4THc2yJp5Z1rrM - this is just a little taste of it. I live in Europe, where there's an ongoing muslim invasion. Feminism (a socialist/communist facade) is also EVERYWHERE. Equal pay laws, minimum wage, welfare, social security, wealth-redistribution... a whole bunch of bad ideas also came from socialists/communists. They've been having an influence on a whole lot of things for over a century.

[@ndrthrdr1]

sharuts is a frightened bigot. Sad.

[@DeoMachina]

I'm also in Europe, so I actually know that you are lying. There is no Muslim invasion. There are a considerable number of refugees from majority-muslim nations...because European nations bombed their home countries. Those people didn't want to leave, but their homes are now rubble so they have no choice. "Cultural marxism" is a conspiracy theory invented by the nazis to justify their hatred of Jewish people. I won't be giving that argument the time of day. You're describing things like taxes as communist. Taxes have existed for thousands of years. Marx only lived a bit over a century ago. So you're wrong. Minimum wage, welfare etc aren't communist either. They're just how we stop poor people from dying. We need those people alive to perform basic tasks our society needs to operate. It's investment. The basis of capitalism. That's why nobody with two brain cells to rub together has a problem with any of that.

[@ckahlquist2129]

Ummm.... was that meant to be scary?

[@Zucchinna]

it's your money you tell me

[@ckahlquist2129]

@@Zucchinna It is not my money.

[@QuietMikeW]

it has to be made with scary, hyperbolic music and text, ..that's how you know it probably isn't true or as big a deal as it's being made out to be.

[@nobel11]

Spooky techno

[@Yui714]

Christian schools educate kids mostly the same as public schools. There's just a Bible class that nobody takes seriously because they're teenagers who don't want to be in school. Tax dollars are spent on war - literally killing other people. If I had to choose I'd pick religious schools over military over-spending. Religious or not, kids hate school and they both teach the required material. There are bigger battles to be fought here. America's poor grasp on science is not because of private education. Their public education sucks just as much. Hell, I couldn't be bothered to learn about science until after I graduated when learning became my choice.

[@thatyoutubechannel9953]

You-really-shouldn't-generalize-so-much.-SOME-religious-schools-give-absolutely-no-scientific-education-of-use.-SOME-religious-schools-teach-history-in-a-completely-skewed-and-incorrect-way-(on-purpose).-SOME-religious-schools-don't-have-a-Bible-class.-SOME-religious-schools-are-MUCH-better-than-public-schools-in-nearly-every-way-other-than-a-couple-crosses-hanging-around-the-halls.-SOME-religious-schools-propagate-religion-less-than-Floridan-public-schools,-even,-which-are-now-required-to-prominently-display-"In-God-we-trust"-in-the-school-where-it-is-likely-to-be-viewed-by-students.-Private-schools-vary-wildly.

[@ckahlquist2129]

"No such loophole exists for public schools" dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnnnn. *Fails to mention that you are compelled by law to financially support public schools. Get back to me when the private schools start seizing property for unpaid taxes.

[@williamhutton2126]

Ah, the libretardian that doesn't know how societies work. Go figure

[@ageofatheism6638]

Do you miss the point often bro.lol

[@ryang58]

What you failed to realise is that if public schools had the same incentive and 'voucher' program to use. People would be flooding the public school system with donations. Do you know what salary sacrificing is? and the benefits it does to tax if you come off as a lower income earner. If the general public could donate to public schools and get all that money back in tax, interest free, I'm pretty sure we would see a vast improvement in public school results. That should be incentivised, not the indoctrination of children with religion.

[@ckahlquist2129]

@@williamhutton2126 all kinds of tards living kick ass lives.

[@ckahlquist2129]

@@ryang58 I support the idea of finding schools through donation. I would love to see your theory put to the test.

[@DrogoBaggins987]

I have more than a little experience with indoctrination through private fundamentalist religious schools in the U.S. as I was put through one. I know where some cracks are and how resources could be focused to really make some progress against some really evil people and expose how many of the smaller private religious schools are hot beds for sexually abusing children. We could get together at an atheist conference and have some really meaningful meetings and make real plans that reasonable people can get behind. Only problem is that atheists are more interested in demonizing straight white men such as myself than they are interested in preventing the indoctrinization and abuse of innocent children. It was a long hard road from being indoctrinated as a fundamentalist young earth creationist to becoming an atheist through reason and reading and searching for truth no matter how much it hurt. When I started going to atheist gatherings it was a really big deal for me. You can imagine my disappointment when I started seeing the same kind of dogmatic behavior among atheists as I left behind in fundamentalism. Or maybe you can't.

[@Joshua-ox5fr]

Drogo Baggins I’m with you bro you’re not alone

[@DrogoBaggins987]

General Neck Beard Cool. Now all we need is about half a million dollars to pay for a lawyer and several private investigators and we can get started on efforts to expose some child abusers in fundamentalist schools. Even with a whole lot of money it would still be very hard to do what a few hundred skeptics could do with very little effort. I'm thoroughly disgusted with people who care about codes of conduct at conferences that treat adults like children while children are being abused who could be helped.

[@Joshua-ox5fr]

Drogo Baggins Why stop at fundamentalist schools when we can expose public schools as well?

[@DrogoBaggins987]

I wouldn't stop. I would just start where I'm familiar with how things work and where I'm pretty darn sure there's a high concentration of child molesters.

[@Joshua-ox5fr]

Drogo Baggins There’s also a high concentration of child molesters in public school, arguably more so than in religious private ones.

[@OfirMusic]

More worrying is that we are paying for Leftist Seminaries formerly known as universities.

[@Joshua-ox5fr]

Dear communists and socialists: If I had a penny for each of your thoughts I’d have change.

[@georgemargaris]

never hear the dawkins foundation speak out against marxism or socialism / communism. Why is that?

[@DeoMachina]

Because those things aren't affecting us at all?

[@tyrannuslapis5107]

because he's concerned with science and our education system; something that religion directly impairs. Why would he be concerned with those topics?

[@skaruts]

SleepyTyrant because universities all over the US and in other countries are pumping out indoctrinated marxist activists. They're doing exactly the thing you're referring to.

[@DeoMachina]

This isn't true.

[@georgemargaris]

DeoMachina , marxist activists like the „bike lock professor“ are a much bigger threat to our education system than some theologian in a small village who talks about jesus. Could it be that you have a blind spot for the ideology of marxism because you already whole-heartedly agree with it?

[@BikingVikingHH]

Dawkins has been irrelevant since The Selfish Gene, which was amazing.

[@2vnews902]

Another reason to privatize government schools. Government involvement in education should be illegal.

[@skaruts]

Education, of all things, should indeed not be in the hands of the state.

[@brendarua01]

Yeah right newsiekins. Care to support your position and not just shoot off your mouth?

[@2vnews902]

Brenda Rua Look into the current state of government run education systems. Look at their results and innovation over time. Compare that to the worst and best sector of any other industry.

[@skaruts]

Brenda, the free market efficiently provides you with everything that you most need, except the very few things the state still does. Just look around you. Food, dental care, heating, cooling, housing, transportation, higiene, you name it. Almost all of the most important things we need have been provided to everyone all along by the market and not by the state. The few exceptions are only still there because the market is yet to overcome those state monopolies (it has already overcome most others, as it eventually does). There's also three notions to keep in mind (should be Laws actually, but I don't have names for them): 1- Anything competitive is inherently more efficient than anything non-competitive. 2- A million heads think better than a thousand. 3 - No one manages other people's money as efficiently as they manage their own. The state is not competitive, and the free market is billions of thinking heads who are directly involved in experimentation in every craft, while each gov is just a few hundred bureaucrats with their best guesses and political interests. Private businesses have to be efficient and serve their customers well, or else they die. Private schools are no exception to that (there are no exceptions to that in the free market).

[@zlatanibrahimovic8329]

How can anything the GOVERNMENT does be illegal?

[@Crocalu]

Now do another one of these about how our taxes go towards incompetent public schools and how that's an outrage, but this time let Alex Jones read it

[@brendarua01]

Or... not...

[@2gointruth]

“God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” - (John 4: 24) - “You shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” - (John 8: 32) - “When you pray, go into a room by yourself, and shut the door. Pray to your Father who is there in the secret place; and your Father who sees what is secret will reward you. In your prayers do not go babbling on like the heathen, who imagine that the more they say the more likely they are to be heard. Do not imitate them. Your Father knows what your needs are before you ask him. This is how you should pray: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, Your kingdom come; your will be done, on earth as in heaven, Give us today our daily bread, And forgive us the wrong we have done, as we have forgiven those who have wronged us. And do not bring us to the test, but save us from the evil one. For yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory, for ever. Amen. For if you forgive others the wrongs they have done, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; but if you do not forgive others, then the wrongs you have done will not be forgiven by your Father.” - (Matthew 6: 6-15) - “Pass no judgement, and you will not be judged. For as you judge others, so you will yourselves be judged, and whatever measure you deal out to others will be dealt back to you.” - (Matthew 7: 1-2) - “Truly I tell you; if anyone obeys my teaching he shall never know what it is to die.” - (John 8: 51) - “Always treat others as you would like them to treat you: that is the Law and the Prophets. Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life and only a few find it. Beware of false prophets, men who come to you dressed up as sheep while underneath they are savage wolves. You will recognize them by the fruits they bear.” - (Matthew 7: 12-16) - “I am the gate; anyone who comes into the fold through me shall be safe.” - (John 10: 9) - “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.” - (Matthew 7: 21) - “I am the resurrection and I am life. If a man has faith in me, even though he dies, he shall come to life; and no one who is alive and has faith shall ever die.” - (John 11: 25-26) - “I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world” - (John 12: 47) - “Whoever then will acknowledge me before men, I will acknowledge him before my Father in heaven; and whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.” - (Matthew 10: 32-34) - “I am the way; I am the truth and I am life; no one comes to the Father except by me. If you knew me you would know my Father too.” - (John 14: 6-7) - “The disciples came and asked Jesus, ‘Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of Heaven?’ He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. And he said: ‘Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven. Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of Heaven. And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me. If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, It would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!’” - (Matthew 18: 1-7) - “For where two or three gather in my name, I am there among them.” - (Matthew 18: 20) - “An expert in the law, [a leading religious Pharisee] tested him with this question: ‘Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?’ He answered, ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind. That is the greatest commandment. It comes first. The second is like it: Love your neighbour as yourself. Everything in the Law and the Prophets hangs on these two commandments.’” - (Matthew 22: 35-40) - “There is no greater love than this, that a man should lay down his life for his friends.” - (John 15: 13) - “Do not call any man on earth ‘father’; for you have one Father and he is in heaven. Nor must you be called ‘teacher’; you have one Teacher, the Messiah.” - (Matthew 23: 9-10) - “Take care that no one misleads you: For many will come claiming my name…” - (Matthew 24: 4) - “Many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many; and as lawlessness spreads, men’s love for one another will grow cold. But the man who holds out to the end will be saved. - (Matthew 24: 11-12) - "Stay awake, and pray that you may be spared the test: The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak." - (Matthew 26: 41) - “Teach them to observe all that I have commanded you. And be assured, I am with you always, to the end of time.” - (Matthew 28: 20) - “One of the criminals who hung there also mocked and taunted him: ‘Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself, and us!’ But the other criminal rebuked him. ‘Have you no fear of God? You are under the same sentence as he. For us it is plain justice; we are paying the price for our misdeeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.’ And he said, ‘Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.’ He answered, “I tell you this: today you shall be with me in Paradise.’” - (Luke 23: 39-43) - “For it is my Father’s will that everyone who looks upon the Son and puts his faith in him shall possess eternal life; and I will raise him up on the last day” - (John 6: 40) - Yours always, in true Spirit and in prayer, 2gointruth, Thursday the 22nd of November, 2018: - (Matthew 5:14-16) - Where every minute can be a new beginning for any one of us: Here are more references for further study… - (Genesis 3: 24) - (Genesis 6: 5-6) - (Genesis 6: 11) - (Genesis 8: 21) - (Exodus 12: 17) - - (Exodus 25: 18-22) - (Leviticus 19: 18) - (Leviticus 26: 11-12) - (Deuteronomy 8: 3-4) - - (Deuteronomy 18: 18) - (Deuteronomy 29: 29) - (Joshua 22: 5) - (2 Samuel 6: 2) - - (2 Samuel 7: 12-14) - (Psalm 2: 2) - (Psalm 10: 3-7) - (Psalm 14: 1) - (Psalm 15) - - (Psalm 22) - (Psalm 66: 1) - (Proverbs 8: 17) - (Proverbs 15: 7-8) - (Isaiah 7: 14) - - (Isaiah 9: 6-7) - (Isaiah 52: 13) - (Isaiah 53) - (Isaiah 61: 1) - (Jeremiah 31: 31-34) - - (Jeremiah 47: 6-7) - (Ezekiel 28: 14-16 ) - (Daniel 7: 13-14) - (Micah 5: 4) - - (Micah 7: 6) - (Zephaniah 1: 7) - (Zechariah 9: 9) - (Zechariah 12: 10) - - (Also worth noting, are Aristotle, Confucius, Plato and Socrates, even Gandhi a humble man qualified in British Law and well-read in most all scriptures; he has also said; “You must be the change that you wish to see in the world.”) - - (Matthew 4: 19) - (Matthew 5: 10-12) - (Matthew 5:17) - (Matthew 5:19-20) - - (Matthew 5: 43-48) - (Matthew 6: 2-4) - (Matthew 7: 5) - (Matthew 7: 7-11) - - (Matthew 7: 24-27) - (Matthew 10: 32-34) - (Matthew 11: 28-30) - (Matthew 12: 30-37) - - (Matthew 23: 9-10) - (Mark 1: 9-11) - (Mark 9: 50) - (Mark 15: 4-5) - (((Luke 1: 1-4))) - - (Luke 4: 1-13) - (Luke 6: 22-36) - (Luke 6: 39) - (Luke 6: 46-49) - (Luke 9: 23-26) - - (Luke 12: 40) - (Luke 12: 48) - (John 3: 1-7) - (John 6: 51) - (John 6: 53-58) - - (John 7: 16-18) - (John 8: 34-35) - (John 8: 12) - (John 8: 58) - (John 10: 10-11) - - (John 10: 14-17) - (John 11: 25-26) - (John 12: 25-26) - (John 12: 44-50) - - (John 13: 20) - (John 13: 34) - (John 14: 6-7) - (John 17: 24-26) - (((John 21: 24-25))) -