Progenitor Hive Mind - Stellaris Meta Builds

[@frogvie3624]

something interesting to consider is hiring your admirals early on in the game - you do have to deal with a bit of unity upkeep, but the passive XP gain is crazy powerful and you will have high level admirals by the time you build your fleet up. if you end up taking the +2 level cap ascension, this is even more powerful!

[@briwanderz]

Don't leaders cap at 10 anyway?? I generally end up with at least my scientific type people capped at 10 without that ascension.

[@novastar6112]

@@briwanderz You need techs in order to get the cap up to 10 in the first place.

[@frogvie3624]

@@briwanderz they cap at 5 with no techs/traits/civics, 10 with them. the main difference between progenitor hive and other empires is how crazy fast progenitor hive leaders level up, meaning you hit that level cap way before other empires.

[@Jablecznik]

The unity upkeep makes it not worth it

[@briwanderz]

Yes you need techs, my point / question was if you need the Ascension perk, you can get each leader role to max at ten without it... I'm currently playing, by mid game all my leaders are already able to hit level 10, with no ascension and no civic boosting it.. just traditions and techs.

[@moritzunterweger5430]

I was wondering if you could probably make a meta build video about necrophages? I'm confident with most builds and origins, but can't handle necrophages

[@MontuPlays]

You bet!

[@jonasjanszikowsky8825]

@@MontuPlays necro Hive to spice up the challenge?

[@streetsurfer1190]

Agreed, I've tried the lithoid hive mind necrophage and my problem was that my livestock weren't breeding fast enough to be near replacement level to get necrophage. Ive tried this twice and had the same issues maybe just never upgrade the acolyte building? Help Montu!

[@lacrossehilda]

I tried lithoid terravore necrophage hivemind and become the crisis ascension perk. It was insane. Pop growth wasn't a problem at all because you go war with everyone, take their planets, and devour them (losing 2 districts each year) for a chance of getting one pop. Resettle the pop to your main planet, leave some unity drones to the planet you devour. If you devour 10 planets at once, getting pops isn't hard and faster the bigger your empire size is

[@streetsurfer1190]

Also to mention I was as at war near the entire game with nihilistic acquisition and it still did not seem to satiate my acolyte chambers

[@DestructivelyPhased]

And now to explicitly ban aquatic from my multiplayer games. In all seriousness, while I really do like progenitor hives and think it’s a strong origin, this build is a bit too cheesy for my taste. But progenitor hives by themselves do remain my favorite origin from overlord, just because of those leaders. Lvl 5 admirals early games are nothing to sneeze at, pre-leveled generals make ground invasions less painful and the governors… oh the governors. A lvl 5 governor neutralizes the unruly trait. A lvl 10 one is just amazing. +20% pop output, -20% empire sprawl from pops and -30 deviancy (huge for hive minds). I think most players don’t realise just how good high level governors are.

[@mikolaj2698]

Wow Komrad Truck here! A suprise to be sure, but a welcome one. Edit: Like button part made my day. Well done guys! :D

[@MontuPlays]

Indeed it is!

[@penguinsrockrgr8yt216]

I hope they expand biological gestalts one day basically everything in the forgotten queens mod should be base game that mod is on par with a story pack in term of content

[@goatfish480]

Hive minds and this orgin in particular are my personal favorite. I'm glad to see a video on them!

[@JayStanTheMan]

Another great build video! I play exclusively single player and these videos give me some really great ideas on new empires to try! Also with the new game settings being released in the upcoming patch, you should make a video explaining what the settings are, what changing them does and which settings you recommend for different skill levels! Keep up the great work!

[@BoisegangGaming]

The good thing about Progenitor Hives is that you have really good leaders and also access to being able to split off new subjects if needed, which I find really fun.

[@rubo009]

Feels so good a guide with komrad. He has been recently playing progenitor hive on twitch, so i was waiting a guide

[@mariotcarreon]

I found that having an offspring ship with no weapons and an artillery combat computer will keep them at the furthest range and not engage, keeping them around as long as possible for the ship bonuses. I didn't know that the bonuses apply system wide though, i'll have the offspring ship in a separate tugboat fleet on passive in my next playthrough. I also didn't know about the right click follow. That's an awesome tip. Thank you! :)

[@shalax7881]

Try a carrier computer

[@TheArklyte]

I wish there was a way to combine Tree of Life and Progenitor Hive... or to make two equally codependent empires in general

[@koshi6505]

I love the idea of using a single ship to ferry other ships around. It feels like you could base an entire game off that mechanic where your main actors on the map are your tugships.

[@erbomb1]

Loving these build videos. More of them please!

[@nuclear_jack]

So I get raided on twitch by Komrad truck a few days ago not knowing who he was, and then three days later get this video in my recommendation with him featured. Da hell?

[@Sanvone]

Damn Plantoids has such huge density of strategy altering civics and traits: Catalytic Processing, Phototrophic, Budding.

[@finifens]

Me and my friends started to play PVP Stellaris for some time now and I usually play Machine Intelligence. Maybe a video about the best MI meta build? I’ve heard Rogue Servitors are good but I don’t know how to play it well. Good video tho.

[@SalvLav]

He has a videos on Remnant and Doomsday RS starts

[@isaacnolastname5802]

Komrad truck's ape video is the funniest Stellaris video I've ever seen, pleasent surprise to see him on montus channel!

[@mariotcarreon]

Oh wow this was the scariest like button message (of course I have joined the hive mind)

[@Goatboy451]

Great video. Thanks. I'll be sticking with regular devouring swarms though myself. There's too much extra micro management with a progenitor hive. Having to have overlord ships babysit all your ships is a pain.

[@letsplaysvonaja1714]

oh lol, I didn't know that ALL ships suffer the penalty XD I thought it would be exclusively military ones

[@gambinobolognese]

The collaboration! the streams With your new PC! We are truly in the golden age of stellaris streams. Cant wait to see you do the 3 crisis challenge whrn it comes out!

[@nathano9165]

Hell yeah, hive minds are my favorite way to play

[@GrolaBear]

Montu! Started getting back into Stellaris and your videos have been invaluable in getting back into the game. Thank you SO much for these videos and please keep them coming! I wanted to ask though, how are you getting so many ocean worlds with more energy/mineral districts than food? I cannot get any ocean world that isn't massive in food production for the life of me. I know ocean worlds are more prone to being food worlds, but in every video, you have at least one, if not more, worlds that are higher in minerals or energy districts. Is my luck just that terrible or is there a mechanic I am not understanding/a setting I'm not enabling?

[@zoopinbopeep8340]

i wonder if hes terraforming a world that was desert or taiga or smth, into an ocean world. Could be why the resource split is so in favor of him.

[@GrolaBear]

@@zoopinbopeep8340 I know he does that later, as should anyone, but this seems to happen on the two guaranteed worlds he gets, which is bonkers.

[@zoopinbopeep8340]

@@GrolaBear im not sure maybe he rerolls at the start for better guaranteed

[@helicopter2003]

13:12 If you Build a orbital ring and build Low Gravity Mega-Refiners and Stratospheric Ionization Elements energy and minerals production will be doubled

[@Exakan]

Could you do a meta build for robots that is not one of the 3 main civics? (RS, DA, DE)

[@machixius]

I’m yet to see a forma permanent employment build from anyways. I’m aware the civic is kind of mid, but it just looks so cool and I really wanna see a good build with it.

[@redtsun67]

I bought the base Stellaris game because I'd heard all the cool stuff about it, only to realize that 90% of the game is locked behind DLC after DLC that cost the same price as the base game itself. I already "beat" the base game twice, and now I'm just waiting for it to go on sale, because there's no way I'm going to pay $200 dollars just to play the actual game.

[@meme-tj5mm]

Is on sale btw rn

[@alexanderwilson2763]

I thought the meta build would use better learning and leveling up traits for the chosen species but I will gladly give it a go

[@zebsnk9582]

I love progenitor hive mind but I always prefer to focus the empire into the stronger part from the origin so I made the specie to have even more leader exp from traits and civics and turn on the edict that gives more leader exp and have juicy level 10 leaders in the first 20-30 years with all the bonuses they give and later on the mid game swap the traits through genetic modification and reforming the goverment civics

[@shalax7881]

leader xp isn't important, lifespan/ level cap is

[@TheApplecyder]

this might need an update. i'm not sure if its because i just got the overlord dlc or the latest 3.6 update but aquatic is now 2 points, not sure if its still meta. Also I don't know how to unemploy pops, i can take them out of a job but not sure how to keep them unemployed. should take this a little slower and show how things are done, not just the end result for homies that aren't sweaty or are newer.

[@PC-tv4zx]

Really liked comrad truck on this one.

[@justdroppingby7383]

Imagine how powerful this build will become if cloaking tech can be put on offspring ships

[@HAL-iv2kd]

For me, the best thing about this origin is that it's so much easier to get vassals as a Hive, wich means that you can put overlord breeding buildings, making a lot (and I mean A LOT) of population growth since relatively early. That's why I prefer to have Shared Destiny as my first or second Ascension Perk.

[@kufesska]

thats sounds like a real advantage of progenitor hive origin for me, cause watching this video i didn't get why progenitor hivemind so cool(much better than usual?)

[@titofraga4425]

Which traits would you choose after researching Genetic Resequencing? Would you keep Phototrophic in the end game?

[@evanchan9983]

Erudite, Fertile, & a third 2 point trait (Charismatic, Intelligent, Budding) + Unruly is normally what I do. Phototrophic may still be worth it if you take it + deviants and drop unruly

[@kipo8454]

Tauran? Why'd I think of The Forever War book when I saw that name...

[@MontuPlays]

beacuse it's the same name, and they are a hive mind too ;D

[@kipo8454]

@@MontuPlays I love it:D

[@phillipmele8533]

>Tauran I see your reference, I appreciate it.

[@cheetahman2830]

Remind me, why are normal bio-empires not able to build solar-panels on their starbases again?

[@Goatboy451]

They have trade instead. Gestalt empires (hives/machines) get no trade.

[@cheetahman2830]

@@Goatboy451 Somehow that isnt an satisfying answer

[@EruHjoyn]

How do you feel about using the planetary automation system to build with only energy credits instead of minerals or rare resources? It does require not running deficits, but energy credits are cheaper than minerals and it negates the need for rare resources.

[@platburk8686]

I just read the forever war lol!

[@Jomber]

Couldn't you do this with any Hive Mind? It seems like we glossed over leaders, which is the main defining feature of the origin.

[@MontuPlays]

You can do this with regular hive minds, except the leaders get bonus XP making them higher passively, boosting your econ and research. Additionally all your menial drones get +10% output from the speical building so you can switch to manufactoring focus with very little economic impact and massive upsides! It's like regular hive but better

[@pepito4131]

How do we make the civil off job( unimployed)? Thx

[@МихаСоколов-ъ2р]

Probably should try subterranean, that way u would have access to more planets. Also won't need to worry about minerals + that penalty to pop growth won't be a prob with budding trait

[@TitoTheHeavy]

Hey Montu quick question, what is your recommended tech research cost for general play in PVE? Also, the vids as always

[@kralkralovsky8416]

missed the chance to call it progenitor STONKS mind sadge

[@briwanderz]

Might try this but I have a hard time NOT being terravore... Progenitor ship bonus on top of devouring swarm ship bonus.. no need for food, so any you do get can be sold, longer leader life means unlikely any die before you start repeating leader life span making them almost immortal. Stronger army so less needed, less upkeep. The only down side is slower pop growth.

[@estebanslavidastic4382]

Total warcemires are often banned in multiplayer games

[@onetwo-gt2tr]

for some reason i get around same alloys with this build, 10k or so but when i build the cruisers i get 6-8k fleet power max with offspring and no generals :/

[@Bondonb]

I've been using the UI Overhaul Dynamic mod so much that this interface just looks weird to me.

[@GyorBox]

I never have any luck with anything other than a machine empire. Everyone else always declares war and kills me at about 25-45 years into the game.

[@anti-skub2164]

Any chance of doing a metabuild that isn't Ocean World?

[@vcjuul9190]

Komrad Truck, or, in other words, Truck-kun.

[@samuelcrow4701]

What if you did modded meta builds? Like how to run an organic architecture hivemind in stellaris evolved

[@XpomAE]

okay, but why cant i do this as non progenitor hive empire?

[@seanrafferty6752]

Did they update this out? It won't let me pick the Progenitor Hive Origin and the Aquatic Trait/Ocean Homeworld.

[@joshd4482]

You pick ocean world as your preference and take the Aquatic trait. After overlord it as they have it leaves you -1 trait but you could take fleeting or something else to make up that diffrence

[@nobody2906]

dude, your video helped me so much being better at the game and you're a definetely much better than me at this game but why progenitor hive mind ? I mean even when it is the theme you barely don't use it. I do like the idea of the origin but other than passive xp on the leaders and protecting the offsrpign ships at all cost, it doesn't have much advantages. Never mind, i didn't realised how broken vassals becomes (+8 pop growth per vassals and if you ruin them they can't do anything but serve :D)

[@5ubgenius]

The game doesn't allow for all these traits to be picked any longer - any suggestions on what to swap with? I ended up going with "Fleeting" (-10 leader lifespan)

[@tiget601]

i went with solitary

[@letsplaysvonaja1714]

why switch to isolationist? isn't expansionist the best?

[@MontuPlays]

The extra unity is very important!

[@foxwhite25]

Extra unity never hurts, it is much more reliable than expansion cost.

[@zebsnk9582]

expansionist just reduces a little bit the influence cost of expanding early game, with isolationist you get more unity wich means traditions done faster and more planets tier up

[@DestructivelyPhased]

@@zebsnk9582 doesn’t even reduce the influence cost, it reduces the alloys cost of starbases. Outpost influence cost is an entirely different modifier.

[@zebsnk9582]

@@DestructivelyPhased yeah you are completely right i just tried to make it from my head and swap the thing

[@Mike__B]

Ok I feel really stupid right now... do those videos at the beginning of this video exist in the game? Or are they user created? or trailers?

[@LoicJ29]

Trailers from Overlord dlc I believe

[@NUCLEARxREDACTED]

Honestly I have never liked the progenitor hive origin. Having to micro manage all your ships is the most boring part of Stellaris for me, and having to add double the micro management load to your ships just seems like absolute torture.

[@Wezryx]

What is one voice compared to a magnificent chorus.

[@erikdellson8939]

What DLC do I need to play this build?

[@MontuPlays]

Utopia, Overlord, Aquatics, plantoids I think that's it but I may be missing one ... Edit: thanks FeppyWeppy

[@FeppyWeppy]

@@MontuPlays I think you missed plantoids

[@erikdellson8939]

@@MontuPlays Thank you!

[@CrispyHair6]

Is it possible to get like an excel spreadsheet or something for the build order list recommendations/timings? I love these kinds of videos but I won't be able to view them in the middle of a game and constantly search for where I am at with relative reliability.

[@HotSoupXeno]

Free the Lithoid portrait of the Lithoid Trait! Spread the word :)

[@scarpionfighter01]

very meta

[@roach590]

Words are not enough to describe the sheer disappointment I felt when I realized you can't have offspring titans... I hope someone makes a mod or something

[@alexanderwilson2763]

Montu are you able to make an empire that is very good at defensive PVP that doesn't only rely on Subterranean?

[@elixerofmemes7379]

Montu already made a great defensive here be dragons build you might find some success with it.

[@papajpapaj7162]

Hi

[@AlekThunder47]

Is this the first bad Montu video? How is this build any better than any other Bio Hive Mind? As far as I remember, Progenitor gets some bonuses from releasing sectors into Vassals or something. This video just explains how to play HM in general.

[@comradechunkymonkey3350]

my dude, you gotta stop saying these builds are the best in the game. Not every meta type can be the best. But! they are all insanely good

[@Zathurious]

I loathe meta builds. I know they are essential for multiplayer and effective single player games. But, I hate the idea that the game must be played this specific way.

[@estebanslavidastic4382]

With any strategy game as large as stellar is, there is always going to be meta builds.

[@davevd9944]

I tried this as devourer swarm...Growth speed and leader levels were insane. But those off spring ships are such a massive weakness. I used gigastructures and build a 2.5M fleet to rival a enemies 2.2M fleet perfectly build to take advantage of their weaknesses. Yet the moment my off spring ships died it was over EXTREMELY FAST tried everything to keep them safe but I can't do it. This build is absolutely perfect to turtle but fighting is a massive risk.

[@joemcwhorter4770]

Great vid nothing negative except that it comes up first when I search console builds and your not on console.