Progenitor Project and the Dominion War: Discovery S5E03 Review

Star Trek Discovery season 5 continues with episode 3, Jinaal. The Crew arrive on Trill to search the memories and talk with the Bix Symbiont while Adira, Saru and Rayner seek to make connections (or not) in this part. let's take a look at the lore unveiled by the Scientists concerning the Progenitors and the Dominion War as the chase continues!
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[@Marconius6]

I did raise an eyebrow at Book saying it's a "time of peace" now... when the galaxy just got over a Temporal Cold War, then the Burn basically removed all interstellar infrastructure, then the 10C almost killed everyone; oh and half the galaxy is ruled by Orion slavers, the Breen and the Tholians.

[@Vegetables578]

So far this season has been more entertaining than I thought it would be.

[@joshuahillerup4290]

I think the bit on connection is more that connection is only possible if you choose to put in the work, not that choosing to put in the work guarantees connection

[@kristofbe1]

I also thought about "what if those animals didn't have their breeding ground anymore?" But I think they chose that place on Trill specifically as it's a planet that respects and protects wildlife.

[@lexxstrum]

Imagine someone on Earth 800 years ago, stashing something in a Polar Ice Cap, hoping that the Polar Bears would keep people away..... Or all the Indigenous peoples of the world, hiding stuff in the deep dark forest, because no man would tread there.... and now it's under a shopping mall.

[@kevinm.7209]

Don’t be so surprised/disappointed that the Vulcan purists still exist in 3191. Prejudice and bigotry never ever go away, no matter what, no matter where, no matter who, no matter when. Sadly.

[@golddragongaming1]

Yeah, no matter how unbigoted society becomes there will always be people that are exceptions due to bad philosophical choices.

[@timesthree5757]

We need more of it actually. I'm on the side of the purist. Got to protect mine and my own at all cost.

[@dramonmaster222]

I think they are truly fortunate the territory didn't change in 800 years.

[@AchSoSensationell]

Truly fortunate indeed.

[@neomt2]

Maybe changelings were also part of progenitor project (not counting same actress as female founder)😅...in STO the Iconians wanted to kill the Preservers/Progenitors...wonder if we will see the Iconians...

[@christopherg2347]

3:24 He didn't simply lead them to their deaths. He _asked_ them first. Very explicitly: "These answer you seek. If I give them to you, they might cost you your life." 3:45 Why would they move on? It was a naturally good nesting spot for them and made of rock - so it would not errode anytime soon. And they might have a return instinct like Salmons or Sharks. So short of their whole species dying out, there would be there. And he probably had another test in case they weren't, wherever he hid the piece.

[@sugarfrosted2005]

I always wondered it maybe the form the changlings used to was some generational memory of what the progenitors looked like.

[@adpirtle]

This season feels like an rpg quest.

[@dawall3732]

I think approving Burnham for this. In any way, shape or form is a demonstration of incompetence.

[@jaxogaytor]

The episode was pretty good, but my biggest problem with it was when Jinaal basically said “don’t treat every alien thing you see like it’s a monster”, well uh sorry Star Trek you don’t get to say that after making the gorn into monsters. Especially since the original point of the episode the gorn were introduced in was that message, and now since they’re just monsters, that message just doesn’t work anymore. But anyways if they’re going to tzenketh I’m excited that we might see canonical tzenkethi designs, and I really hope they go with the online ones.

[@thod8820]

I think the idea behind the Gorn in SNW is to have our characters thinking they're monsters, while we know it's more complicated than that. I don't think the Gorn are actually supposed to be pure evil, just terrifying and different. There are clues scattered about that they are more complicated than they seem even in that show.

[@golddragongaming1]

@@thod8820 Yeah, I got the impression that is where they are going to head after the cliffhanger from season 2.

[@rafaelsays175]

Wilson Cruz as Jinaal is way more compelling than Wilson Cruz as Culber

[@jayrigger7508]

I was having a hard time with how they use teleporters and how they don't The spot to spot is cool but they don't seem to use it when they need to they have occasionally described how it's blocked but another times they're actively using it but don't use it to get away to come back later to jump on the other side that kind of stuff

[@biggysmith]

so can someone answer this: whats the deal with the trill character? do they still have the trill symbiont in them? do they still have the memories of the past hosts? they don't really act like it...

[@joseaguilar3323]

They do but the symbont and host are too old, forcing itself to live so the info of the location doesn't die with it.

[@biggysmith]

@@joseaguilar3323 ah sorry I meant Adira, who I realise is actually human with a symbiont

[@joseaguilar3323]

@@biggysmith Ooooh, Yeah, good question..

[@johnwclick]

Now for something completely different... I wish the Ferengi would buy the formula for Coke and Pepsi and sell them. If Quark can sell root beer to a Cardassian, he can sell them too.

[@snowts]

I think the canyon scene could have been a bit better if Jinaal was just actually wondering the canyon to find a danger nest to send the crew into as a test and there was nothing to find at the location while he went and got the item from another location while they were busy with the creature. This would have covered over the 800 year time jump a bit better, or maybe the Bix hosts have simply kept the item over the 800 years and he had it the whole time they were on walk about looking for the nest

[@marvelboy74]

Ric - I really enjoy your well-considered by concise reviews. The contrivances did take me out of the episode. We do have confirmation that Nilsson is no longer on the ship , though I'm not a fan of introducing more B-team bridge crew since they aren't on long missions.

[@huzudra]

Soooooo....the OG Genesis device?

[@thomasoday7828]

Ok, so, is anyone going to address the elephant in the room of how similar the "Progenitors" look to the "Founders"?

[@scpatl4now]

Prediction...the device they recover will bring back Book's planet. There, I've said it.

[@ThisIsMeAndNotYou]

431 the force is strong with me

[@itzdcx7991]

I'm not gay but GAWD DAYUM that doctor is JACKED😭

[@brandonhickman394]

lol why do you need to add that disclaimer?

[@itzdcx7991]

@@brandonhickman394 because people of this modern generation always tend to jump to conclusions without seeing into the full context

[@sevanaiaseeto9456]

I don't think anyone knows your gender so they wouldn't automatically assume you're gay

[@Boki10]

If the Tzenkethi aren't dinosaurs I'm gonna be mad

[@Tar-Numendil]

The Voth are already dinosaurs, so not likely. It's not impossible, just improbable.

[@Visuwyg]

How Star Trek-y is Discovery currently? Picard finally got the vibe right in Season 3, but I have never seen Discovery.

[@thod8820]

It's different then prior shows in a lot of ways, but it really depends what that means to you. If Star Trek is about feeling like the 80-90s shows in tone I think it's pretty different, if it's more about themes I think it'll feel familiar.

[@derrickhighley3762]

It all feels forced . There are hardly any characters that act professional in the show. Its more about feelings. How they feel. It seems like they are trying to emulate Picard season 3 to a point but keep missing the target. I really haven't liked any of STD. Although this season so far is ....... watchable

[@joseaguilar3323]

It's a bit like Star Trek Beyond.

[@PrinceAlhorian]

Old trek fans call it: "The Michael Burnham show" for a reason.

[@TheGreyTurtleEntertainment]

This season better explain why the heck the current starfleet *doesnt* have an Enterprise. Because this is an Enterprise level type mission. If it literally werent for the plot contrivence that Disco is the most functional ship in the 32nd century, it would not be the ship assigned for this mission.

[@davidgeslani48]

Idk, Enterprise is more like a top-line ship used on the fringes of Federation space, to show potential members the best the Federation has to offer or to showcase Federation power in border regions just in case potentially hostile factions get any ideas. This was its main mission in ENT, TOS, SNW, and TNG movies. The main time that the Enterprise is shown to be the premiere scientific vessel was in TNG where it’s more like a city in space and had enough space to carry numerous labs and civilian scientists.

[@flintcityhc1524]

Show cant end soon enough

[@crippletime]

Algorithm comment

[@brandonhickman394]

I actually like Discovery but this was straight up the worst episode of the entire show.

[@thod8820]

What did you dislike about it so much?

[@HappyBear376]

People actualy watch this?

[@zomfragger]

How would you know poop from chocolate without looking and smelling it.

[@ultramaximusreviews]

I cannot wait for this terrible show to end. This is NOT Star Trek.

[@jackieanderson9408]

This is Star trek.😅

[@neolex001]

I couldn’t make it through the first season, however other -people did and they enjoy it. Honestly… let them. The same sentiment you expressed above was applied to DS9 when it started, and that’s my favourite Trek. We’ve all been there. We all coped.

[@channeljunirave]

Did you watch this review just to say this? I don’t understand why you’d put yourself thru this sort of thing knowing it’ll just lead to disagreement.

[@Cylume.]

No

[@skipklauber1162]

What an awful show. It’s not the acting, it’s the writing. Horrible