Project Debut PRO Upgrade!

[@dizzle1119]

I feel like we do most of these upgrades to make ourselves feel like we're doin' something beneficial for our tt. As in we are making the tt just a bit more "fancy". ...but I've not heard an audible difference in ANY upgrade that I've done to my tt....outside of a cartridge upgrade. When I first went from the Ortofon 2M red to the 2M bronze (bought the new cartridge. Not just a stylus), THAT was a humongous upgrade. When I switched from the Pro-Ject Phono Box S2 to the Tube Box S2, that was a pretty big noticeable difference in sound quality as well. It definitely wasn't $500 worth of improvement...but there was noticeable improvement. If I had to put a monetary value on that improvement that I feel is FAIR...it'd probably be somewhere in the $200-$250 neighborhood (half of the preamp's cost). ...but my acrylic platter upgrade did nothing audible ...and my machined aluminum record weight that cost $75 did nothing audible ...and the $180 machined aluminum & sorbothane isolation feet did nothing audible ...and the $150+ Pro-Ject signature series carbon fiber headshell did nothing audible ...and upgrading from cheap interconnects to braided cable versions that cost 10x more $$$ did nothing audible Maybe it's just me, but I genuinely feel that these upgrades just make the tt LOOK fancier. My next upgrade will be the Ortofon 2M Black stylus (don't need to switch cartridges from the Bronze to the Black)...and then after that I won't ever be buying anything other than a sylus/cartriedge again unless something fails & I have to replace it...

[@1JGP1]

I think our ears may be "better than" (for example) a $129 Cartridge, so - we hear an improvement going to something better. But, there is a point (for example) that we might not hear a difference from an Ortophon Black to perhaps the "next" best thing...Perhaps because the changes at a certain level become less auditable - in other words, they become "better than our hearing"... I think this is probably true with a lot of real high-end stuff - it's gets harder to hear the difference. It's also very difficult to do an accurate A/B on stuff because within the minutes or even seconds it takes to swap something; our brain forgets - lol. This is why we get more of an "impression" than certainty. I also agree that some upgrades are, as you put it, "for us"... They make us feel better. It's very true that our other senses (including vision) will affect how we "feel" about something. Great input, thanks for sharing!

[@dizzle1119]

@@1JGP1 I've dabbled in so many hobbies over the years. My last one, before I decided to take hifi "seriously" was glassware & vaporizers. I started w/ a $100 piece of glass & a $125 e-nail. I currently use a $2,500 piece of glass & an e-nail that costs about $2,000 (once all the accessories are accounted for). The $225 one does the same thing. Just doesn't look as nice. I genuinely feel this transitions from one hobby to the next. Our $$$ is paying for fanciness after a certain point. Call it the law of diminishing returns or whatever. At any rate, I'd rather have something "nice" that's going to last a long time. ...but for anyone out there who may read this. Please know that you don't HAVE to put thousands of dollars into your turntable. Buy a Fluance "reference series" turntable (the RT82 will do as I'd advise a cartrdige swap anyway), a cartridge EQUAL TO the Ortofon 2M Bronze and a phono preamp like the Cambridge Alva Solo. That's going to be "good enough" for 99 out of 100 ppl. Unless you're just made of $$$ & want something that looks amazing...

[@JasonGS919]

I agree with everything you said.

[@dizzle1119]

@@JasonGS919 Appreciated, sir. I've recently added a linear power supply to my phono stage. That made an audible difference, big time. I have no discernable background noise til my volume is turned up past the point of clipping. 10/10. Would recommend a linear power supply for everyone who takes this phono stage stuff "seriously". The one I have isn't anything special either. It's chi-fi, in fact. - Fluance RT85 - Ortofon 2M Bronze cart/stylus - Pro-Ject Tube Box S2 phono preamp - Chi-Fi linear power supply that cost $125 - Inexpensive KnuKonceptz RCA cables This still isn't "cheap", but it is attainable for most ppl who have the ability to pick up things 1 at a time over a long span. That said...I'm getting better results with my Fluance based phono stage than some folks who own a $2,500 turntable & have hundreds invested in their RCA cables/interconnects. My setup doesn't LOOK fancy, but it sounds incredible. If I had a following here on youtube, I wouldn't care one bit to push the products I'm currently using on anyone & everyone who is interested in vinyl playback...

[@JasonGS919]

@@dizzle1119 sounds like you have a nice system, and you didn’t have to spend thousands of dollars to achieve the sound you want. I’ve spent money on items, including “high-end” interconnects and speaker cable, thinking I was going to hear a significant difference in sound quality, but I was wrong. I noticed a difference in sound quality, when I upgraded my cartridge and changed my integrated amplifier. I have a Technics SL-1210GR, and I was using an old Ortofon Concorde cartridge (DJ type), so I upgraded to an Ortofon 2M Bronze, and then I upgraded to the Black. I was using a Marantz PM8006 integrated amp and, just recently, I switched it for a Pioneer SA-8800. The Pioneer is at least 40 years old, but it sounds better than the Marantz, which is only a couple years old. Bottom line, for my system, the cartridge and amp were the two primary components that truly improved sound quality. All the other items were a waste of money.

[@brucegelman5582]

Right on the money .Table is fine as is.Better cart and phono.

[@KM-wl1tp]

As long as the speed is good and the noise is as low as possible, thats all thats needed. Changing belts, mats, sub platter/platters etc has minimal if any noticeable effect on sound quality. It may 'change' the sound, but thats it. Spend your money on a better cartridge instead

[@1JGP1]

I do agree. Tweaks are typically subtle at best. The cartridge though can be a big change. Thanks for your input!

[@depechem0demusic]

I agree-you would be better off putting the £220 towards something like a Gold ring 1042 cartridge with much more exotic stylus profile which gets even deeper into those grooves to extract much more detail from the records

[@milanulrich]

I bought sub platter for my Debut Carbon. But it was because I bought Acryl platter. Which is lighter than original steel one. I found out by my self, that Al sub platter works You can hear in on long steady sounds. Also I did check my wow and flutter as well. Mine was little bit to speedy on 36rpm. So I used the sand paper with water on small puley and voiala..now it is 33-34rpm. Oh and flutter went from 0,16 to 0,05. So yes, the sub platter made the diference in speed stability and helps with Acryl platter. Wihout any mat. Btw Acryl platter raises height so I have to buy 1mm shim from project under the tone arm as the Debut Carbon has no VTA adjustment as Carbon Pro.

[@1JGP1]

Thanks for sharing your experience with the platter!

[@mike_lowndes]

A reasoning I've heard is that it goes 'better' with the acrylic platter to add weight back. So a test of the Acryl-it might be in order.

[@1JGP1]

True enough! Thanks for the input!

[@mihaischitcu1917]

Such an antiskating setup directly translates friction between the counterweight wire and the supporting bracket to friction in the lateral tonearm bearing. Yet nobody seems to realize that or at least wonder why some "more refined" implementations include a pulley to reduce said friction. Outside the price range I guess 🙂

[@yambo59]

Ive tried them all over the years and im still sold on the tried and true quality rubber mat, they act to dampen surface resonance and ring especially on aluminum and steel platters and some of the best tables ever made came with them at least back in the day (im 65) so guess im set in my ways

[@1JGP1]

A good rubber mat is a-ok in my books too.

[@zizendorf]

@yambo59 Well, I had a different outcome. I removed my rubber mat and have been putting my albums directly on the Acrylic platter. The sound is noticeably better. To each their own. But, I will offer one cardinal rule: Use your ears to assess sounds. LOL

[@gerardfletcher1203]

i just bought mine and changed the cables for me it sounds. very good im so happy rediscovering my music cheers. imust admit it lokk premium than plastic

[@1JGP1]

I agree, much more classy than the plastic! What cables did you use?

[@false_binary]

I am considering selling my newish Rega Planar 3 w/the tt-psu and move to a turntable with VTA & azimuth controls that I could begin exploring cartridges with. This deck + arm seems like a good starting point to build off of...I agree with others, I would think replacing that stock cartridge would be a more noticeable investment. Tyvm for this presentation - excellent detail & I totally get the kids all over the place / no quiet space LOL...subscribed!

[@1JGP1]

lol, yes - our kids... Certainly agree with the cart comments & thank you for subscribing!

[@false_binary]

@@1JGP1 my op got cut off lol...I went with the X1B instead + Wellfleet oyster upgrade. LOVE IT - much more than the P3...ty for the recommend on the brand. Pro-Ject will be fun to explore (esp w/XLR mini + MC)

[@yambo59]

Not only clean the motor pulley but clean the sub platter belt surface and most importantly the belt itself both sides it gets slippery with time cleaning it reduces chances of slippage and increases grip

[@1JGP1]

That's a good point. I've done that when I know I've been handling it or it's old. Typically, I'll wash up before playing with the belt... Thanks for sharing that best practice!

[@maxthefacts]

I have a problem with 3 things about this. One; not having evidence of oil in the bearing does not mean lubricant is not present in the correct amount as it is possible to get oil impregnated sintered bearings where the lube moves to the shaft through a form of osmosis. Two; a heavier sub platter increases the torque requirement on the motor. Three; the motor now has to drive a much heavier assembly therefore drawing more current. Just because Project offer this item as an upgrade it doesn't mean it doesn't come with some advisories. Despite all my bellyaching (did I ask is the bearing suitable for use with the extra weight?) I'll probably go ahead with the upgrade as above. As when you get to this level of kit, upgrades will probably add incremental improvements to the overall experience but why wouldn't you want that.

[@1JGP1]

I do know there is another company that does offer this upgrade and it comes with a new bearing. You are correct about lubrication - an upcoming video displays your point as the old Empire 598's actually do not suggest any oil is placed down the well where the bearing is as the bottom plate is actually Teflon coated...go figure! Thanks for the input!

[@jackneidinger9544]

I recently upgraded the plastic subplatter to the aluminum on a project x1 and the internal noise level (rumble) went way down. Worth the $180. The stock x1 was pretty noisey I thought. Avoid the cork mat or you'll be peeling it off all your records after lifting them.

[@ramblinginmeath4950]

I have an X1 and I am/was considering the upgrade to the Alum sub-platter - and I might just upgrade the cartridge to Orfofone Blue - and I have heard some opinions out there the stock Pickit MM that comes with the X1 is close to the Blue.. so again back to head scratching -- regards from Ireland - Paul

[@1JGP1]

I'd attest that the "Pick-it" MM performs similarly to the Blue. I equally enjoyed both!

[@1JGP1]

Thanks for the input!

[@troyheffernan1261]

Moving up to a heavier platter, won't that put a strain on the motor? And was the motor capable from the factory able to turn that heavy platter. Ive seen some videos that show alot of upgrades for that turntable. Which makes me wonder if this is a beauty bandaid to hold in to the market place while the motor burns out or becomes weak.

[@1JGP1]

Good questions...The platter is made by Project for that specific table, so - you'd hope so. As for oil, they come with oil on the shaft - there is typically a small amount in all Project models in the bearing well. Not aware if this model uses a sealed bearing. My guess is since they sell oil for them direct, it must be used to reduce friction. Have to look further into it, thanks for sharing.

[@jefftobin4034]

I must agree with your suggestion to spend the money on a better cartridge. That will have way more impact on the sound, in my opinion and experience. Also, the word wow is not pronounced woe, but wow, like, "Wow, that sounds fantastic!" not "Woe is me".

[@1JGP1]

You are correct, it is "wow" & flutter...I just noticed I pronounced it as "woe"...lol. Sometimes I drive myself crazy with retakes because of mispronunciation...You should hear how I pronounce "Tim Hortons", lol. (BTW, that's our coffee shop if you're not from Canada ;)

[@jefftobin4034]

@@1JGP1 🤣. Just to clarify, I wasn't trying to be critical,but constructive. I grew up in Norther Michigan and occasionally get asked if I'm from Canada.

[@Poppinwheeeeellllllieeeeez]

Or just a better table to begin with.

[@declancorrigan2776]

My best upgrade I made to my Project carbon was the power supply €35.00 and the difference is chalk & cheese. original in the box was noisy wit a 50Hz hum at volume above 3-4 through the system. Now at Volume 10 silence!

[@1JGP1]

Yes I bet an upgraded power supply certainly would help.

[@macfie9331]

What about moving your turntable away from your amplifier? Possibly a wall shelf.... A vast upgrade.

[@1JGP1]

Yes, I don't use that stand anymore. The bamboo base with sorbothane on top the stand helped, but glass isn't really the best surface to have a table atop. the new stand is better isolated. Good suggestion though!

[@khameeleeon]

You might also need to put a dab of oil around the spindle itself, because of the tight tolerances between the spindle and the bronze bushing, where most friction also occurs, not just the bearing. And that will also make the sub platter drop way slower into the bushing.

[@1JGP1]

Good point. I did run one down the side of the "well", but I think your advice is "good advice"...Thanks!

[@johnholmes912]

makes quite a lot of difference in my experience

[@disneyjoe7]

Thinking your subplater drop could be an factor of oil used. For the record I believe in thinker oil vs lighter oil in damping factor.

[@1JGP1]

I think you are correct, the oil type may have contributed to this. Lesson learnt ;)

[@CarlosEspinosa-ro1ri]

Hi. I liked your video very much. Could you please give the brand and model of the clamp you're using and which Pro-Ject Platter Mat would you recommend as the best option. Thank you

[@1JGP1]

It is made by Revolver...it's called (literally) "The Pig"...

[@qqmarcin7792]

Hello, I'm making a pro debut with aluminum and acrylic. I'm wondering if I'll hear a big difference if I change from the original insert to the brown one, and the question is why does the disc stop when I use an anti-static brush to clean the disc? who was there before?

[@1JGP1]

I am not sure what you mean by the original insert - or the "brown one" - so, I can't comment on that; However, if the disc stops when using your static brush I'd have to wonder if either your pressing too hard or if the belt is slipping. I am assuming once you lift the static brush up the platter resumes spinning?

[@qqmarcin7792]

I have the original insert, the one included with the purchase, if I change it to the brown one, will I hear a significant improvement?

[@SRX2004]

Would the extra weight of the new sub platter add more stress to the motor?

[@1JGP1]

They claim it won't. Perhaps it has to do with inertia...Personally, I give all my belt drive tables a gentle push with my finger as I turn on the motor to take away some of the stress/ wear and tear.

[@yambo59]

Far as spindle side play the main problem that could create is an "off center" situation causing the needle to not run straight in the groove but rather run in and out a small amount as it follows the albums rotation, to check for this just watch your cartridge close while playing and you may see it moving left and right in relationship to the spindle, not really good for needle longevity either - but any high quality table should not exhibit an off center situation - were talking very small amounts anyway and likely not even detectable. Actually records themselves arent really as accurately pressed "on center" as you would think either, some are pressed "off center" creating some wow and flutter and records themselves create this problem more than anything, but be aware sometimes its just the label thats applied off center so one must decide if its the pressing itself thats off center or the label - if its just the label it doesnt affect anything, but if the label runs on center and the head shell moves its the pressing. Ive got more than a few records that were pressed off center and some are bad enough to be visually noticeable with the tonearm and head shell visibly moving in and out from the center, this wears the record groove unevenly and creates its own wow and flutter to some degree, its a situation that has been around since day one, but not every table or every record has it - though you may find many records and some tables do, especially the lesser quality manufactured ones.

[@1JGP1]

Thanks for sharing - This is some good information!

[@wjarnock44]

My Debut Pro groans and moans on start up like it cant be arsed and there is also a gritty sound on start up. Its really annoying. There is lots of chat on the forums of similar problems other people are having with this make. I noticed from my original order that there is a six year guarantee from the shop I bought it from so I'm going to get in contact with them. I cant help but think that even heavier sub platter wont help matters. I wonder if there is oil in the bearing??

[@1JGP1]

Might be dry, you are correct.

[@robertnitsche8410]

You can just upgrade to the 2M Blue stylus, the cartridge body is the same.

[@1JGP1]

I've tried that before. You are 100% correct! The Blue is certainly a "good value for money" stylus. Great all-around sound!

[@JasonGS919]

If you would’ve bought a higher quality turntable, like a Technics SL-1200GR/1210GR, you wouldn’t have to keep spending money on upgrades for that Pro-Ject.

[@1JGP1]

Hi Jason, Thanks for your comments, I do have a 50th Anniversary Technics & 100th Anniversary Denon DP-A100 (just to mention a few). The Project was bought to review & give it a "whirl"; In fact, ..the table & accessories have already found a new home as does most of the gear on this channel. What Technics do you have? What did you pick for your cartridge?

[@JasonGS919]

@@1JGP1 I have the SL-1210GR, with an Ortofon 2M Black.

[@larswikstrom9090]

Yes, I think you're right about not changing the original "flimsy" subplatter. The combo weight of the aluminum subplatter and platter might wear out the bearing ball in bottom of the shaft!

[@1JGP1]

I (personally) wondered about this as some manufacturers offer an upgraded bearing with the subplatter.

[@spinaltap75]

The way the new sub platter dropped straight in doesn't inspire confidence. Can take a good hour for that to happen on my RP8

[@1JGP1]

Lol. I know! Believe it or not, the manufacturer claimed that was "ok"...I am with you though!

[@scrunts666]

If this is better then it makes me wonder why they sell it with the sub-par one in the first place. It is like admitting their own product is not very good.

[@1JGP1]

Point taken.

[@thejupiter2]

Another classic example of the utter flotsum that dominates this hobby.

[@troyheffernan1261]

Sealed bearings dont need oil. Unless you can physically see the bearings.

[@1JGP1]

Project suggests application of oil on that shaft for installation. I don't recall anymore what type of bearing was in there. I almost thing the spindle (literally) sits atop; Hence the oil to reduce friction. I know Project also sells oil for the tables. Next time I am working on one I'll take a closer look. Thanks for your input.

[@gregski4111]

Not sure what the rest of your equipment is, but maybe it is not revealing enough . But if the sub plater make much difference ro you, ok . Seems what you're trying is splitting hairs anyway. sub platter upgrade, different mats. you could try the rest of available upgrades also but ( and reviewing these upgrades is like beating a dead horse) better off using the money to buy new turntable ( but how much do you need to spend to get a a improvement you like) or a better pre amp, amp , speakers or cables .

[@1JGP1]

Thanks for your input. At the time, I had two other turntables - both being higher end. This was purchased as something for the rec room and the review. Mostly, I wanted just to try it. You are correct though, sometimes it is like "splitting hairs"...lol.

[@MarkSWilliams27]

Or - a Nagaoka MP-500.

[@alexanderagadzhanyan8187]

6:18 - Patrick Bateman

[@gerrit-janslettenhaar4252]

Sewing machine oil is wrong! You need oil with higher viscosity!

[@1JGP1]

I've hear so many different takes on this. Yes it's ok, no it's not, etc. To be transparent, I would have used something different if I had it; i.e. Project's own oil; However, it was the only option on hand. What do you recommend?

[@papabear1417]

Oh dear, you've been duped into the upgrade path. Stop wasting your money

[@1JGP1]

lol. We all get duped once and a while. Quite honestly though, I wanted to try it and review it (I did end up selling the table in the end). I am pretty lucky when it comes to breaking even or profiting on the vintage stuff...It helps me experiment in the hobby with other purchases from time to time.

[@RUfromthe40s]

it seems they are joking with the vinyl new enthusiasts ,not one of my 15 turntables sound so bad as any new pro-ject ,they should be ashamed for their cheap bad sounding turntables i have been trying them for years and only under 6 years old turntables ,most of the parts are missing ,then buy them if you want,to meet average 70´s standart sound it cost 14.000€ between the turntable and cartridge ,this to sound as a technics 76 cheap turntable

[@1JGP1]

I think Project is popular, as is Rega, because they are economical. Recently, I sold the last of my turntables &, after being without for a few months, I snapped up an inexpensive Debut Carbon EVO only to be reminded of your comments. The bearing was junk and the table went back. Oh what to do...So, I ended up finding myself a nice Empire 598 in near NOS condition...Just waiting for a new belt before I service it.

[@RUfromthe40s]

@@1JGP1 economical?where?Rega i don´t know much more than the ones more talked but not great turntables, Project is garbage, technics as a model that costs 1.500€or even less ,this is a turntable the others is stealing from people ,the Fluance and AT just like the SL-1200 is ok , but either than this are crazy expensive and with a low quality of sound ,even the cheapest turntables in the 80´s could be made of plastic but with perfect sound ,these new also the cartridges is stealing from people,a pro-ject turntable to meet before 2000 quality costs 14.000€,i think it´s a steal ,this price is what´s needed to match them with old quality since late 60´s, not even refering that they are made iof the cheapest materials ,the other day i saw a 83 pioneer that with original AT cartridge sounds perfect and it as a arm made of a developed material to be the best and it´+s direct drive with quartz engine(meaning never gets out of the selected speed),it as a cover of plastic but beneath it´s a entire piece of metal who makes it heavy ,i´ve seen it being sold by 100€ or less, was the top end mopdel of pioneer in 1983 but sold till the late 80´s for it´s quality and pay 1.000€ for a turntable ,new with only bits of plastic or some with a MDF plinth but sound like garbage,i would prefer to have a betterr turntable not comparable with this new wave for 100€ or maybe if looking new 120€, in early 90´s one could buy any technics with stroboscope or not ,for at the most 100€ new

[@1JGP1]

In Canada, the Project offers the Elemental, Primary & Debut turntables from a mere $300 to about $699. Similarly, Rega offers the P1 in that range. For someone starting in the hobby, it's a pretty cheap alternative to the turntable in a case option for something brand new. I suspect this is why they are fairly popular...Thank you for your input, we appreciate it!

[@RUfromthe40s]

@@1JGP1 i do understand you´re point but some didn´t hear music in old turntables and now when starting they think several talked about turntables are good but normally a old average turntable would sound a lot better than a expensive cd player and that doesn´t happen with new and expensive cartridges ,i think you already notice the stylus itself is shorter than a worn out before the 2000´s stylus with 1/4 of the hours of listening ,some even have a good frequency response but the dynamics are very low as the 207C from mid 70´s made by nagaoka to technics turntables was much higher in dynamic sound wise even with a shorter spectrum of frequency´s like 20hz to 20khz ,the others that are normally from 5 or 7 hz to 32khz ,people say ,it´s not hurdable ,but having this frequency response not having a lot of money, through the speakers you´ll hear for sure at least from 20hz to 20khz while those with this frequency response as limit will never hear it through the speakers ,in 50 years i´ve done a lot of measuring, i have a listening room at home, and i could measure it´s real output sound ,the results were incredible with the SL-1000mkII from technics using a mc type stylus from old ortofon, and a PLC-590 using a V15 from Shure and a AT arm this conected to a accuphase power amp P-20 model ,using perfect condition Studer speakers with the old C-200 pre , this with a akai reel deck from 79 also, and a phase linear cassette deck restored recentelly before i was using the B215 but it´s a litle worn out needing some restoring allthough it works perfect but not like it used to be when new, the cd player i´m using it´s a CEC that my father bought in the 90´s ,belt driven, imagine that. I also have a very nice thorens with great sound but i´m using it in my home office system, now a hitachi power and pre with some HPM-1000(not real HPM´s)but good enough, allthough i´m retired i still work and i colect hi-fi componemts ,some like football or sports in general or stamps or even postcards but i like hi-fi components also old cars ,have some that were ofered and others i bought when nobody wanted them, in my garage i have a litle receiving room with a late 80´s to early 90´s system mostly from pioneer ,only the turntable it´s a Linn with a recentelly bought AT-art9 and some 80´s mission argonautMKII or 780 with 200watts at 4ohms ,this using a integrated amplifier A-717MKII from pioneer with two transformers and two huge capaciteurs and other two more small ,it´s well built ,all metal knobs only some plastic buttons as other called reference stereo amplifiers from pioneer but their knobs are plastic made ,the cd player it´s a pioneer already old but sounds good to me ,a PD-9000 and a CT91a cassette deck and a reel akai deck from 1970 a X-165D. I also have i my living room a P3 turntable from pioneer with it a complete exclusive pioneer system with some twin 2401 exclusive speakers, using a CT-F1000 cassette deck(restored 4 years ago)and a Rt-707 reel deck(restored in the 80´s), i can say that i was already a young man in early 70´s and grew up following the evolution of home hi-fi ,i think that makes me know something about records sound with a good turntable and cartridge no matter the year of release, i also started a FM station in early 70´s that i was using a garrard and a thorens professional turntables from late 60´s in one studio only and only in 78 it started to have stereo sound but was the most heard station in my region wich is the biggest and desert region ,of my country ,portugal ,some of my dutch and german friends when retired they came to live near me with their wifes, the sons stayed in their country, but the reason why not only them but a lot of families came to my region because it´s sunny all year around ,it rains maybe twice a year but never a entire week and the interior south is very dry and going to the west of the region we have beautty beaches with lines of sweet water falling to the beach and in some of those it´s rare to see others in those becahes in the 70´s we used to camp near the beach and a kmaway there were litle fishing villages where one could eat fish for 3 entire weeks caught in the day we grill them ,the non existing humidity in the interior south , helps the records or vinyl last longer if one takes care of them, i have a lot of records from mid 60´s to mid 90´s and only 3 doble Lp´s are warped because i let friends of mine take them home and one single album of neil young that as rockin`in a free world acoustic as the first song and electric as it´s last song but filled wih noises, after this not a single record left home, they say records worn out but first the covers do worn out and the records keep sounding perfect with a litle noise inbetween tracks ,nothing more, as an example the crime of the century that i bought it in 76 it still plays with a perfect sound and it´s the only supertramp album i own, but also like a song called soapbox opera that came in the Crisis?What crisis LP, in general A&M records had a great sound like the Police albums that sound amazing too, sorry for the long story. Hope 2024 brings you all your wishes, to you and yours

[@1JGP1]

@@RUfromthe40s thank you for sharing your experiences - & (yes), I hope 2024 is a fantastic year for you too!

[@mrmods7912]

Why didn't you just buy a proper turntable in the first place? Like the Rega P6!!

[@1JGP1]

LOL! I've had a couple Rega, great tables for sure!

[@jedi-mic]

No you don't want more mass you want less mass you want greater mass on the outer platter let's mass on the inner platter. aftermarket platters are badly engineered and caused damage to the bearing you need to be careful what you're buying the plastic is fine just buy yourself a ceramic out of platter you check if the ball bearing you didn't mention it! sounds like it doesn't have the ball bearing ? u can use sae oil 20 gearbox oil GL4 not gl5 75w 90. Just get Rega then much superior turntable

[@Poppinwheeeeellllllieeeeez]

I like the tone arm, but I'm not impressed with the TT. I am kind of surprised you are running it considering your knowledge and experience. I also see the sub platter as a band aid solution to enhance a poorly designed, albeit attractive looking minimalist player. The platter mat effects the VTA and the tracking overall.

[@1JGP1]

I bought it to try, as a secondary table for my basement. I currently have been using a Denon DPL59 & Denon DP-A100 in my main set up...they are both very capable tables. Over the years, I've played with no less than about 75 tables. Sometimes, inexpensive ones - other times, more elaborate. Same goes with cartridges... Thanks for your input!

[@Poppinwheeeeellllllieeeeez]

@@1JGP1 you are 100% correct. I had a LXI direct drive BPC fitted with an ortofon om cart and it sounded too good to be true. Im not a "ac sync" fan

[@Poppinwheeeeellllllieeeeez]

When is the next vid coming?

[@Poppinwheeeeellllllieeeeez]

Open baffle?

[@1JGP1]

Just putting together one on a Denon Table now; However, YES - I have something coming up on some beautiful open baffle speakers as well as some Altec A7 Clones :)

[@jimshea7052]

Why 9n a ne2 table

[@1JGP1]

Sorry, not following you. What was the question again?

[@jimshea7052]

149.99 difference

[@troyheffernan1261]

Sealed bearings dont need oil. Unless you can physically see the bearings.

[@1JGP1]

Project recommends 1-2 drops of their "silent groove" oil in the bearing well on this table. The bearing (I believe) is also Teflon coated. They also recommend a thicker grease be applied directly to the spindle itself.