Projectile Points of Illinois - Part One

[@chrishall9786]

This year is my first year hunting artifacts. I have been looking for this book, it contains great information about illinois based projectile points. I have heard they quit producing this book cause they were loosing money. There was a used copy that sold on ebay lastnight for $320. Unfortunately that is not in my finances right now. Would really love to see this book brought back to the public. Surely there has to be a median, where they are profitable, yet someone like myself could afford it. Thanks

[@mattmurphy4635]

So glad I got this book. I have over 500 points and tools. I find stuff everywhere in Illinois. Almost every single trail you walk near water you will find evidence. So easy to spot flake's. Flake's means people... people means points. I've found points at dog parks near big oaks that have probably been pissed on 200 times. Keep your eyes open!!

[@janecormie5410]

You left me wanting more. What a great presentation. Thank you.

[@heavymetalredneck7973]

I found a 2" white Clovis in 2001 and its listed in this book, i found it on a small site in Jefferson County il, its the only Clovis ive ever found but im still looking lol

[@joesoso9359]

Louisiana and I actually live in a gravel pit where my stepfather and his company has dug down probably a couple hundred feet close to a party more close to 500 ft and as the walls get washed away in things I'm finding all these old points and things like that and I was wondering is there any way that I maybe could take a picture of some that I found and send to you and maybe get some kind of input on what you know time. They might be in things thank you

[@King.DAVid.III2022]

I recorded an Adena find a couple days ago Louisville KY creek walking, nice point

[@jamesburleigh5995]

Thanks for the video. Those hi-lo points are the same as our san patrice points here in Louisiana. A clovis is a clovis no matter which state you find it in but why different names for the exact same point types for others like san patrice/hi-lo

[@mattmurphy4635]

Because they we're made by different people.

[@jamesburleigh5995]

@@mattmurphy4635 Gonna have to agree to disagree on that one.

[@mathewwoods9111]

I appreciate your help and knowledge of the hunt. As for the value side if collecting, I've seen points go for great deals money at auction. Although I will never sell any of my points nor will I give them away to any museums. They have plenty. As for the story they tell,, I appreciate that as well. But I refuse to tell anyone where I find anything. I will look for this book just so I have an updated list and info update on types and times. Awesome video.

[@kevinpaquette6339]

Great video you are very knowledgeable

[@hotrodsrx]

Thank you for sharing this!

[@janecormie5410]

I cannot find a copy anywhere??? Any suggestions??

[@illinoisextensionfultonmas3179]

According to the Illinois State Archaeological Survey 2019 Publications Catalog the book is out of print. You can contact them directly to find out if they have suggestions on where to get a copy elsewhere. [phone] [e-mail]

[@heavymetalredneck7973]

27:25 i found that point in the center (the small Kaolin dove drill)😁 found it in Jefferson County IL around 2000, i sold it along with the rest of my first collection.

[@mattmurphy4635]

Damn. I couldn't sell anything

[@heavymetalredneck7973]

@@mattmurphy4635 can't get much out of them, you'll see a point for sale at a show for 1000 and have one exactly like it or better and they'll tell you yours is worth 25$.

[@davidletasi3322]

Great presentation. Just a suggestion to use a metric scale next to projectile point photos.

[@MH-di5ur]

Great information ... Mike Hayes coastal VA / NC

[@Illinois-Wildlife-Encounters]

very nice. Thanks for sharing.

[@clintstevens6831]

Thank you for posting this. Fascinating and quite useful. I would love to get a copy of this book. Is it available for sale anywhere? I have only found it on sale on Amazon for three thousand dollars.

[@josefizquierdo6139]

Three thousand dollars ??? Not even arrowheads are worth that much. 🤔

[@illinoisextensionfultonmas3179]

According to the Illinois State Archaeological Survey 2019 Publications Catalog the book is out of print. You can contact them directly to find out if they have suggestions on where to get a copy elsewhere. [phone] [e-mail]

[@clintstevens6831]

@@illinoisextensionfultonmas3179 Thank you!

[@younesaida1405]

Big salute to you Is there an expert among you in this field because I want to communicate with him to advise me on some of the pieces that I have and I think that they are more than 200 million years old 

[@crawwwfishh3284]

If rocks could talk.

[@heavymetalredneck7973]

Id like a copy of this book, i know one of the people involved in the making of the book SB, several of the points in the book were personal finds of mine here in Jefferson County il.

[@markschuette2615]

Why dont you call tht guy you know. Maybe he can get you one

[@RICREYNOLDSMUSIC]

Born in Woodstock and raised in Rockford. I used to find arrowheads all over in my backyard and once read a sacred stone that told the story of a war a tribe had with the Spaniards. It was chiseled on a flat rock and not clear to the natural eye.

[@nothing-b2n]

Yes,,the story,,people made them

[@ericschmuecker348]

...😂!! But I want to hear the story this guy hears in his head!

[@bjellison905]

I think i have the small corner notch youre talking about. Called a bullen knife tiny knives

[@dingo9696]

Some flat out wrong info in this video. Not all Clovis points are fluted.

[@kevinpaquette6339]

Hey Thomas I've been finding a lot of figurines where they carved into the rocks a lot

[@amyp.575]

Give them back to natives.

[@billhosko7723]

@@amyp.575 Anyone born here is Native.

[@thomasfoss9963]

Wow? Those are called effigy's, usually made of soapstone---

[@kevinpaquette6339]

I also have tomahawks but I have one tomahawk that is unscathed no marks and completely Sharp

[@thomasfoss9963]

You are very fortunate finding tomahawk(s).... I'm up by the border, have a decent collection, have been sleuthing for 40 years, and haven't found a tomahawk or a war club- yet....

[@kevinpaquette6339]

@@thomasfoss9963 that's cuz you got to pick up the big rocks too laugh out loud no my dad started me off and he's got hundreds of hundreds of arrowheads and tomahawks and he's also got those stones with the holes in them nipping stones or something they're called but he's loaded up

[@kevinpaquette6339]

@@thomasfoss9963 I found an arrowhead that's twisted and it's a perfect shape I think it spins when it flies through the air

[@thomasfoss9963]

@@kevinpaquette6339 I have over 3 peach baskets full of rocks, stones, chert, jasper, and sugar quartz.... You must be in a good area.....

[@mattacedo]

@@thomasfoss9963 I’m by the border in AZ I can take u to find one. I find a ton of axe heads but no arrowheads

[@CalebP618]

I write the county of origin, and date it was recovered on the arrowhead then put clear nail polish over it

[@edwinbrashear7729]

I have a very well made three inch point I believe to be a Kesselle, personal find from Union Countyy KY Robert states in this video they are pretty rare and very diagnotic. Is there any way for me to get photos to him too confirm what I believe? The point is not perfect but damn nice and I have had people that know artifacts a bit say it was the finest example of said point they have ever seen.

[@pandemicgrower4212]

Contact your local university they will point you in the right direction

[@terrysummers6382]

I have a Kessel from New Jersey which is even rarer...not too common from this area...

[@treasurehuntingscotlandmud9340]

Great video

[@rodneyfruhling5128]

Awesome where do I get the book ?

[@shawndee729]

I love arrowheads

[@kevinpaquette6339]

I also Mark what field and number field and one time I found an arrowhead half of one I found the other half two years later

[@paleoprentice6482]

I live in Illinois in la salle county I've got alot of points and just found some serious artifacts...I have tons of questions on how to handle all this like do I name my own site and number ot myself or....

[@pandemicgrower4212]

Want a hunting buddy? I'm right off the fox and Indian creek

[@thomasfoss9963]

The key is don't handle them!!! Protect the tips of your points. Always have a pad under your viewing area...I've had friends drop points on the ground when looking at them, as they break easily...

[@kevinpaquette6339]

What type of artifacts buddy

[@robertsroka3883]

I also live in LaSalle county Streator area. I have many sites from early archaic to woodlands. My oldest piece is 9,000 years old newest Madison pieces

[@ronpflugrath2712]

States have a number, counties get a number, your number?

[@davidfillhardt9174]

Yes I'm from northern Kentucky and I have learned a lot I would like to find the same kind of book I hope in Kentucky to figure out these sites to document everything but I have one question for you sir how do you find the kill sites that you speak of what do you look for do you probe or something it's like finding a needle in a haystack right? By the way great job on showing the time periods and the different types and styles of points that was amazing I learned a lot find a lot of the same stuff here in Kentucky just had a different material.

[@illinoisextensionfultonmas3179]

I'm so glad you enjoyed the video. Unfortunately, my co-worker who coordinated this training with Robert J. Reber has changed jobs and no longer works with U of I Extension. The Illinois State Archaeological Survey may be able to answer your questions.

[@mattmurphy4635]

They liked to chase the buffalo off of cliffs. In big herds. They had no horses back then. Then when they run off the cliff in a stampede they go down fire up a fat bowl get stoned and celebrate then get to cleaning 30 to 50 bison. All the used and broken and unbroken forgotten stuff is right there. I always check high ground near natural rivers and streams. Look for waste flakes. Once you find flakes. Search everything every where. Especially places that the average person isn't even going to attempt. Find a smoker!!

[@davidfillhardt9174]

@@mattmurphy4635 I know how to find a camp I'm not asking that I know where plenty of archaic camps are that I have found smokers and killers knives points and even arrowheads on along with hardstone axes celts gorgetts pendants and all that happy horseshit what I'm talking about with the man was talking about was in Illinois these kill sites there are cliffs in Illinois that they ran Buffalo off of are there in Kentucky like what do I look for like I said I know how to find camps and sites where they lived flakes and fire Rock is what you seek and I understand the high ground above rivers and streams That's where I look I'm talking about these sites the man was talking about the glacial planes where they butchered a much change in 12,000 years just kind of interested on the high level spots he was talking about but yeah I have a pretty good collection I just don't know about what they did at these kill sites That's what I'm looking for I don't know there was cliffs in Illinois

[@sharonrowland1196]

Mr.Robert I've got a question sir ok Did Indians use Asphalt to make Arrowheads Sir?

[@markschuette2615]

Yes they were a specialy tribe called the ass. But they went extinct after on 2 yrs cause their points crumbled

[@Bumper776]

I used to find several points 50 plus years ago just north of the Embarrass River in Southwest Crawford County Illinois. I wish I had kept them.

[@robertayoder2063]

What u do with them ?

[@Bumper776]

@@robertayoder2063 Put them in museums.

[@robertayoder2063]

@@Bumper776 got ya thanks just curious

[@amyp.575]

Give them back to natives.

[@billhosko7723]

@@amyp.575 Anyone born in America is Native American... No people are Indigenous... No one. All mankind arrived on this continent within seconds of each other during Earth's time. Seconds of each other during Earth's time. Far more Indians died at the hands of other Indians than from European immigrants... not even close. Wars and conflict, over territory/land were commonplace. Commonplace. Losers hit the road, were killed or assimilated, and not infrequently as slaves. Indians did not have a written language, a wheel nor horses, nor metal for axes, hoes or pots and pans... They largely existed just above cavemen standards and were thousands of years behind Europe and north Asia - China and Japan. Their Horses, for the Plains tribes, came from Spain via Mexico and into America largely during the 1500-1600s... Women were basically toilers all their lives. The romanticism of Indian life is pointlessly in the long-run only being created to perpetuate a grievance and victimhood and or sanctimonious mindset.

[@josefizquierdo6139]

I don't know from what period or from what era my Native American findings are. I just know that I had not noticed or discovered them, until just recently, mostly all around my yard. I pick up any suspicious stone. Then, I study it carefully to try to figure out if it is authentic or not. I keep everything, though, just in case. I just believe that not everything that existed has been found or discovered yet, as some of my stones are uniquely reshaped or carved stones and pebbles.🗿

[@MossyNutz]

Can you show us on a video?

[@amyp.575]

Give native artifacts back to natives.

[@MossyNutz]

@@amyp.575 how many times are you going to comment that?

[@amyp.575]

@@MossyNutz as many as I need to. Thanks.

[@MossyNutz]

@@amyp.575 are you aware that any Artifact hunter does not mind giving it back? Are you also aware that most Natives do not care that we have them? Are you aware that Natives are happy were saving their history? Are you aware that without people like us, you would be completely clueless on any type of artifact?

[@sharonrowland1196]

I love books on Arrowheads ♥️♥️😃👍🖐

[@kevinpaquette6339]

I found a few artifacts i want to send you a picture and you tell me if it's an artifact or not but i don't know how to send a picture

[@Qingeaton]

Grandpa called them "Indian rocks" They were in a coffee can.

[@lesjones5684]

I have some of those 😂😂😂😂

[@kevinpaquette6339]

I found my first Arrowhead 9 years old and it was twisted the Indian made it so when the arrow flew it would spin and I live in Illinois

[@heavymetalredneck7973]

It was twisted or "beveled" due to resharpening, it was most likely from the archaic period.

[@kevinjakovec3783]

I prefer your theory of the spiral effect, it is as effective as throwlng a football accurately!

[@CalebP618]

Randall Carlson impact theory just saying

[@jimbailey1731]

Did pest control at a guys house. Went up to the house and looked down …. Pressed into the sidewalk ands all where there was concrete was an arrowhead. I almost cried. Must have been a few hundred near perfect ones.

[@billhosko7723]

They were disposable to those who made them... so gettagrip

[@ThomasSmith-os4zc]

We do not Asian lithics. Our lithics are coming across the Atlantic Ocean from Iberia and North Africa.

[@tonygarcia1433]

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[@arctictimberwolf]

6:34 "The Bow and Arrow only came into use in 600-700 A.D." AHAHAHAHAHA, Nice Joke Pal, tell us some more Lies, hahaha

[@King.DAVid.III2022]

thanks for sharing your expertise. one thing the HOLY SPIRIT taught about these people, if they came from somewhere else, then all of them came leaving none behind. why do I say this ? because true Native Americans are the only people whose men grow NO facial beards or mustache. every culture I've check has beards. kinda odd huh? bible talks of them having peeled faces like the shaved.

[@canadiangemstones7636]

Nice to see the religious lunatics sharing their insanity, thanks for the laugh!

[@amyp.575]

I hope you give them back to natives.

[@billhosko7723]

I was born in America... so I am a Native... I'll take the arrowheads..

[@Dougarrowhead]

You go find them and give them away then. Amy P. You probably never have accomplished anything worthy in your entire life.