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[@johnsperry9494]

“Thanking God for sparing you in a natural disaster is a bit like sending a thank-you note to a serial killer for murdering the family next door”. - Betty Bowers

[@juintevrucht6079]

Excellent quoting the wonderful Mrs. Betty Bowers!

[@danimal6196]

“I married an atheist. He was an atheist when I married him, but he was a very good person.” Did that condescending statement irritate anyone else as much as it irritated me?

[@joshsheridan9511]

Not really, I'm used to people speaking without thinking about what they sound like.

[@istvansipos9940]

yeah. Similar but somehow ignorant-sweet story: old dude with fridge sized suitcases on a train. Random conversation: - Hey Sir, how on Earth did you manage to board the train with those things? - Oh, 2 kind niggez helped me. You hear so much horrible things about them, but these were helpful, nice niggez. (the old fella was the product of another era, not even knowing that he was behaving baaaad with that word)

[@timothyhoft]

Yes. It's very condescending.

[@Jcs57]

I married a theist she was a theist when I married her and I thought she was a very good person….. I’m a terrible judge of character and I was wrong.

[@stephenhardy4158]

She might have been clarifying something about herself: she didn't want to sound judgmental in calling him an atheist.

[@jmorris023]

It's like talking to an adult 5-year old.

[@marleneravan9927]

precisely!

[@powbobs]

Who rides the short bus.

[@nsf001-3]

So like talking to most people?

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

Hard to imagine her kid respecting her.

[@Vintage-Bob]

An adult 5 year old after a frontal lobotomy.

[@justincredible.]

"Look at the trees" > Look at kids with cancer

[@JGM0JGM]

Bbbbuuutttt God has a plan!

[@pinball1970]

​@@JGM0JGMLook at the tectonic plates, look at malaria, cancer TB, AIDS.... Yeah fuck the trees god sort this stuff out.

[@fredriksundberg4624]

Look at those children being permanently blinded by a parasite infecting their eyes. God is good, because of reasons.

[@pabloyelpo707]

Look at the flesh eating bacteria in the legs of african children

[@jeremyfrancispiano2]

All people ARE trees. "Cursed is the man who hangs on a tree." We are the tree upon which Christ is crucified. Unbelievers nail him using wood. But we drive the nails into ourselves and we call it the atrocities of God.

[@6adget]

I so miss the two of them.

[@vansdan.]

best duo

[@romanutd]

Two heavyweights of AXP.

[@no-prophet]

Definitely. Not just the two of them, but a lot of old hosts.

[@DrJames1960c]

Miss them why? Don’t be a fool! These 2 hosts are fools (atheists) and their less-than-worthless, asinine, lost & clueless religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. No atheist has a RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. That's because there isn't one. THESE GUYS ADMIT THAT THEY HAVE NO ANSWERS!!! The fact remains that along w/ DYING/FINITE space/matter/energy, TIME had a cause. The logical conclusion (when we follow the evidence) is that such a cause is TIMELESS. And if you're TIMELESS, do you have a beginning or end? No. We call that cause "OUR INFINITE, SUPERNATURAL GOD," who by definition is TIMELESS, CHANGELESS, BEGINNINGLESS, SPACELESS, IMMATERIAL and ENORMOUSLY POWERFUL. These topics are the most important topics known; thus, EVERYONE should have a vast understanding of the facts that frame the truth of these topics and not be so content to gulp down the false propaganda of channels such as this one. THESE GUYS ADMIT THAT THEY HAVE NO ANSWERS!!!

[@Mrdexterdoo]

Me too! And they haven't told Dianna to "go F***, herself", not even once!

[@RoguePhotonic]

This call was brutal to listen to. Her mind is floating in the clouds without a real thought.

[@Scorned405]

The majority of callers are as dense as this caller

[@lorirhodes870]

Poor thing 😢

[@thomasreedy4751]

@@Scorned405 She is not dense, she is indoctrinated into a cult. That has nothing to do with intelligence.

[@thedaemonator3244]

People like this lady have their brains preoccupied with staving off an existential crisis that is lurking around the corner of every critical thought

[@brianray2614]

She twists herself in pretzels at every turn.

[@EAMorgan71]

This poor woman is so confused. Put simply, she believes because it makes her feel good in the idea of a god that she has dreamed up.

[@DrJames1960c]

God is very real. That's why NO ATHEIST can present a rational atheist explanation for reality. That’s because there isn’t one. You say EVERYTHING came by a natural cause, yet it is IMPOSSIBLE and never will be OBSERVABLE that any part of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing). Furthermore, NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless cult of atheism has EVER BEEN OBSERVED (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution, gain of complexity/gain of new information/new anatomy). NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be observed in every moment of every day (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine); thus, the ideas of atheism do not exist. EVERYTHING can only come from a source of EVERYTHING. CONCLUSION: Our living, intelligent, loving, conscious and moral G0D is the ONLY OPTION for life, intelligence, love, consciousness, morality and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in symmetry and order in the human body and in millions of animals that we see that same design. Atheisms = Rebellious stupidity that’s been debunked by the IRREFUTABLE FACTS (see above).

[@nsf001-3]

So it's like the state and every other social terrorism; feel-good BS for psychopaths to dodge blame for their evil

[@seanlahm4826]

But the thing is , she didn't dream any of her current beliefs. They were simply passed down through her family and peers. For that would be a sin , to actually think for yourself and question the existence of God.

[@Arquea_Lucus_Wolven]

Yaaa... It would be fine if this didn't influence the way they'd vote/choose to align themselves politically or even just socially to create or destroy laws... It's people like her who go with "oh, that doesn't SEEM okay" and do zero research into the topic who get things like Roe v Wade overturned. It's terrifying.

[@thehappydaddo]

She keeps coming back to "Because it make me feel good". That sounds like an addiction to me.

[@petermeichan3160]

thats because it is an addiction, but probalby hte more damaging most addiction of all

[@jamesparson]

@@petermeichan3160 Even worse than smoking tobacco? IMHO, yes

[@24magiccarrot]

I don't think it's an addiction I think it's fear of death. A lot of people cling on to their religion because it's too scary to accept that this is the one and only life we get and we won't get to meet our loved ones in a happy clappy place with Jesus

[@realhuman8305]

​@24magiccarrot Religion made my fear of death worse. Because there were all these adults around me, telling me this stuff existed and was real (Christianity), and I couldn't see any of it. Alan Watts helped me more than Christianity when it came to my fear of death.

[@nsf001-3]

If they would refuse to allow phenomenological arguments, they'd have no callers

[@ChrisM-zm4li]

God's love is bigger? Well, MY love would never drown all living things in anger, so no, MY love is bigger than this god of yours is.

[@MrCanis4]

To me, she's making up her answers as she goes, because there isn't much reasoning going between her ears.

[@garyt.8745]

Exactly. Willful ignorance and a total lack of reasoning regarding her beliefs. She is _literally_ what her parents brainwashed her into being. No self awareness at all, like a dog, possibly inferior to a chimp.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

Imagine she-caller in the fundamentalist state she'd "soooo be okay with" ... 'chatting' with unbelievers in Interrogation Room 101.

[@cloutfisher7714]

"Look at the trees" is such a classic Christian response to a request for evidence of God. The number of people who I've heard have unironically saying this is mind-boggling

[@petermeichan3160]

what do they say when you tell them that their statement is nonsense ?

[@liyo4950]

That would be the same as responding "look at the cartoons on TV" in response to evidence of Micky Mouse being real! Superstitious nonsense is only proof that the believer in such nonsense has been propagandized, usually starting at a very young (gullible) age by one's superstitious parents...backed up by the religion-pushing regimes that are known as churches. By the way, I suggest watching the movie called "Spotlight" and you will see how these religious bastions have mentally abused not only adults but, especially, little children....sexually! And, this has been going on forever...not just a recent occurrence! Religions are evil and very abusive...mentally and physically! It's not only Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny that is total fiction...God, Jesus, Heaven, Hell, Satan, Angels, and Demons are all just made up, ridiculous, superstitious, nonsense used to control and manipulate all of the gullible, superstitious goobers who fall for that ridiculous nonsense!

[@Gwaithmir]

I've heard this identical line from Jehovah's Witnesses.

[@LiShuBen]

@@petermeichan3160they’ll think YOU are the crazy one for not seeing such “obvious proof”

[@petermeichan3160]

@@Gwaithmir now they are completely nuts

[@Big-Papa-Smurf]

Thank you God for this back pain you gave me. I prayed for you to cure me, but you only made me suffer for about 3 years. I prayed for relief, but you only made it worse. I got another surgery and now the pain is gone. It's because I prayed. Praise the lord!

[@GroundhogRoy]

Yep, he's a bastard. He murders babies too :(

[@Jcs57]

I don’t know this woman or her husband but at the 12 minute mark I felt a welling of sympathy for that man.

[@thorinbane]

I was lucky enough to get my wife to put some thought into this. Aca helped her to understand how bs our Catholic upbringing was.

[@HumansAreShitFactories]

I’ve got no sympathy whatsoever. He’s got to be equally or more imbecilic as her. He probably doesn’t realise how stupid they both are. These people are the ones who cause problems for everyone else.

[@decay79]

This woman is so far down the fucking rabbit hole.. This borderlines insanity..

[@Lordidude]

Religion is a virus that infects your brain.

[@jhe1967]

It is insane. There all this way.. its nuts. No logic. At all

[@Vintage-Bob]

Religious beliefs are, at best, thought disorders. At worst they are full blown, diagnosable mental illnesses.

[@crankyyankee2475]

She crossed that border like it wasn't even there.

[@BertRussell4711]

The formula for this caller's worldview is: one part cognitive bias, one part uneducated ignorance, and one very large part basic stupidity.

[@SundaeExpress]

With generous sprinkles of brainwashing, gullibility, stubbornness and Dunning-Kruger.

[@neverendingparty7741]

"BASIC STUPIDITY!" Screams the lost and clueless atheist fool that thinks star dust, moist rocks and mud puddles have the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE, RESOURCES AND MEANS to create/design LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS, MORALITY, the human being and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body :) Atheism is pure idiocy. The religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. That's because atheism RUNS from "reality." I would add that as an atheist, you're bankrupt of RATIONAL/POSSIBLE causes for life, intelligence, consciousness, morality and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body. Atheism has no RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step by step atheist explanation for reality. That’s because there isn’t one. THINK ABOUT what you’re getting into w/ the cult of atheism. GET OUT NOW. I’ll help you find truth. Atheism has none.

[@fredriksundberg4624]

​@@neverendingparty7741 Stop projecting and spamming.

[@neverendingparty7741]

@@fredriksundberg4624 Kid, there must be some mistake. Do you think you actually set parameters here? I'll do as I please and that goes for any moment I please to do as I please. Am I being fairly clear?

[@jayrose8638]

@@fredriksundberg4624lol I think you may have broke them.

[@PyrrhicPax]

When people said god was the sun, it was because they did not understand what the sun was. So it worries me when people say god is love.

[@ookekklibarianbornagain6708]

Bloody good point🍻

[@DrJames1960c]

God is love." - 1John 4:8, but he's also your Judge come "Judgement Day" and believe me, you're clearly not ready. I can help you be ready.

[@joshsheridan9511]

Creationists don't understand what love is

[@bms77]

@@DrJames1960cLOL Lord Odin is your god- if you do not accept him, you will not go to Valhalla! Clearly you aren’t ready yet but you WILL find out one day.. i can help you be ready if you want. LOL see I can make bad arguments and claims too 😬

[@PyrrhicPax]

@@DrJames1960c "Woblekrank is love" -Theradin 10:16 Woblekrank is also your judge come Festrabah, and believe me, you are clearly not ready. I can help you be ready. I am the Shebakeia, prophet of Woblekrank!! 😜

[@a.sanford8731]

Imagine being this woman's child. Poor kid. She's so confused.

[@travis1240]

The kids dad seems ok

[@themasculinismmovement]

So god is an emotion, not actually a deity, just a feeling some people have, makes sense.

[@nsf001-3]

If they would refuse to allow phenomenological arguments, they'd have no callers

[@theweirdo61]

Specifically, love, but also not really 😆

[@katie_0258]

Omg, she is so dense, light bends around her.

[@HumansAreShitFactories]

That doesn’t make sense. I think you’re confused.

[@Leith_Crowther]

Why do theists always say, “Look at the trees,” instead of, “Look at look at the eyeball-eating parasites?”

[@Vintage-Bob]

God forbid (pun intended) they acknowledge something that doesn't validate their delusional belief in an all loving god.

[@tucsonorganist]

My forehead is sore from the number of times I face palmed.

[@Jerseyboondocks]

A headache developed for me at around the half hour mark into this.

[@strifer9821]

I'm sending this message from the past because i face palmed myself back to the stone age

[@TechTrainerTim]

The caller’s self-righteous chuckling is like a child whistling in the dark to tamp down fear.

[@skandragon586]

i was actually enjoying the caller right up until the "hehokay" at the end... really triggered something deep inside..

[@marleneravan9927]

the scared chuckling when she can't make sense of logic... annoying!

[@spaghettifieldsforever]

It's a classic passive aggressive Minnesotan reaction. We couch any uncomfortable moment in laughter.

[@ejflor1313]

@@spaghettifieldsforeverthat’s a gross generalization. I know you’re being at least partly facetious but it’s still a silly thing to say.

[@spaghettifieldsforever]

@@ejflor1313 **awkward laughter**

[@Acteaon]

Wow 😯. The whole hour! Her mind is that trapped. While tragic, she is a stellar example of indoctrination at its finest.

[@GroundhogRoy]

God is effectively a gangland boss running a large-scale protection racket.

[@rianmacdonald9454]

That has to be the best description to date. I am going to have to borrow that one.

[@GroundhogRoy]

@@rianmacdonald9454 Be my guest - and thank you :)

[@thedaemonator3244]

That's a nice lookin' soul you got there, Joey. Sure would be a shame if somethin' were to happen to it, y'know? I mean souls they get lost all the time and some of 'em well they meet with a really ugly end y'know? Maybe if I was to have a tithe in my hand and you was to scrounge up a few more people to do the same it might not be so dangerous for yours if you catch my drift, eh?

[@LOwens-xf8yo]

Most people believe because most other people believe. Walking into a church, you are surrounded by people who believe, which is very convincing.

[@Beacon80]

The name for this is mentalizing.

[@bobbabai]

And they resist as much as they can being around people who don't believe. Not every believer does this, but it's really common.

[@istvansipos9940]

very convincing. IF you are not old enough yet for critical thinking. I mean, every atheist I know could walk into a bazillion mega churches, and still would NOT believe a word there.

[@bobbabai]

As I was growing up, the longer I spent around believers in rooms full of believers, the more I thought about believing and whether it's a good idea. See, what we all really value is supportive, fun and loving community. Believers tend to think the only way those communities can happen in the first place or the only way they can sustain is via a god. But they never can point to the god. The only evidence they have of a god is always very indirect and vague. But any new community, they sense of a god which may or may not strengthen the community or make it more enjoyable for them, which then presents as more evidence for God. What believers really love is circular arguments. I tell young people and uncertain believers to believe until you believe, essentially. Or they lead them by example to believe until they believe.

[@DrJames1960c]

@@bobbabai There's no reason to NOT BELIEVE. Atheism is a DANGEROUS dead end. NO ATHEIST can present a rational atheist explanation for reality. That’s because there isn’t one. You say EVERYTHING came by a natural cause, yet it is IMPOSSIBLE and never will be OBSERVABLE that any part of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing). Furthermore, NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless cult of atheism has EVER BEEN OBSERVED (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution, gain of complexity/gain of new information/new anatomy). NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be observed in every moment of every day (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine); thus, the ideas of atheism do not exist. EVERYTHING can only come from a source of EVERYTHING. CONCLUSION: Our living, intelligent, loving, conscious and moral G0D is the ONLY OPTION for life, intelligence, love, consciousness, morality and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in symmetry and order in the human body and in millions of animals that we see that same design. Atheisms = Rebellious stupidity that’s been debunked by the IRREFUTABLE FACTS (see above).

[@TheRaven_200]

"I believe because I believe because I have faith, because the Bible tells me so, because my feelings, because god is good, because I feel it deep within my heart, Etc." This lady is so deep in her indoctrination that she is willing to ignore reality so the foundations of her deeply held beliefs aren't shaken.

[@LordPrometheous]

Don't forget that most importantly, God is love.

[@Stashmo]

I give her credit for not thinking/arguing that she does have proof.

[@LordPrometheous]

@Stashmo that's about the only intellectually honest thing she said.

[@Stashmo]

Maybe, but it’s a biggie. Why isn’t faith enough for “believers?” Why are they so desperate for proof? Seems to me that proof would detract from, not enhance, their faith. After all, if there were proof, everyone would be believers.

[@LordPrometheous]

@Stashmo the point of proof, or rather evidence, is to confirm that their faith isn't misplaced. It takes the place of faith. With evidence, faith is no longer necessary. Human nature makes people want proof which is why religion causes so much internal conflict and questioning. For most other big decisions in life, we need to see evidence. With religion, we're told to just accept it on faith and be quiet. That goes against a huge part of what makes us human--our curiosity and desire for knowledge.

[@AlbertaGeek]

"Consider the lily..." "He's having a go at the flowers, now!"

[@BaronVonQuiply]

Blessed are the meek, inherit the earth and all that. **whistles a happy tune while shoveling dirt onto the fresh coffin**

[@NapalmWeed]

@@BaronVonQuiplyBlessed are the greek, apparently he will inherit the earth

[@fredriksundberg4624]

Blessed are the cheesemakers.

[@AlbertaGeek]

@@NapalmWeedDid anyone catch his name?

[@thedaemonator3244]

@@fredriksundberg4624 well obviously it's not to be taken literally, it refers to any manufacturers of dairy products

[@nigeltrigger4499]

Both presenters are SO gentle and yet undeniably logical!

[@k.s.k.7721]

What so many theists fail to understand is that when we learn language and social rules/beliefs, it wires the neurons in our brains into specific patterns. It's not a simple matter of changing an opinion, but literally creating new neural connections which allow for new thought patterns to establish themselves. And why old fears/insecurities can keep reasserting themselves even after years of deconversion.

[@rishabhthakur8773]

Can psychedelic change neural pattern?

[@fredriksundberg4624]

​@@rishabhthakur8773 Yes.

[@bryand7667]

This is an awesome point. I think this works on both sides too. Atheists could do to remember this as well when talking to theists... Changing someones mind on this issue is very difficult. And simply attacking someones point of view often causes them to just entrench themselves deeper into their neural pathways/patterns... Because that is what is safe to them. Ive had this issue talking to theists where i just harp on the dumb shit they believe and it gets me nowhere. The way to peel a sticker is to work at the edges. I think its the same with neural pathways and thought patterns, you gotta start with the easy shit to convince them of and work at it slowly.

[@conradbulos6164]

It is also important to understand that neural connections are impelled by emotions in varying degrees of intensity which feed your fears and deconversion will be successful if you recognize those unwanted emotions as the cause of your fears which will quickly dissipate into harmless vapors as self created delusions.

[@seanlahm4826]

Hence why psychedelics are so effective at changing those deeply entrenched chemical patterns in our brains. Or in another word "habits". Habits are very similar to beliefs. They are there usually without much conscious thought.

[@Phranque]

This woman has no understanding of any of the points made, she just goes on another tangent with each subject.

[@nsf001-3]

99+% of humans just parrot BS they heard without any consideration, so I'm unsurprised

[@bobbun9630]

She has been taught that cherished beliefs are to be defended at all costs rather than confronted at every opportunity. Her toolbox for how to determine what is reasonable and what is not, based on available evidence, is empty. I don't know that I entirely fault her for using her feelings in that situation, but I'll still fault her for not accepting it when a better tool is handed to her. it should have been pointed out early on that she declared her self an agnostic believer early on--by definition if she can't "know" god exists, she can only "feel" and "believe", then she's an agnostic on the subject, even without being an atheist. Her "God is all around us! We just can't see him without prior belief!" should have been responded to with the same assertion about an invisible unicorn and the question as to what the difference was between the claims aside from what she came to the table already believing.

[@garyt.8745]

This is absolutely typical of 99.9% of theists.

[@MrStringybark]

I think her main problem is that she does not have the words to express her feelings in a way that accurately defines them.

[@LoadPuller]

"You might call me crazy but..." I prefer to believe this no matter what. I just had to call and let everyone know that I love wishful thinking and I don't think you can wake me from my delusion.😊

[@themasculinismmovement]

This woman is as dense as a mystical brick that is made of a material so massive that it doesn't even exist.

[@Jcs57]

Nuclear pasta

[@Vintage-Bob]

LMAO! Well said!!!

[@cafiusklien]

She simply doesn't think enough to have this conversation yet.

[@thomasrendleman5387]

Zeus owns all lightning. This is evidenced by Hercules 316😂

[@Beacon80]

I prefer Hercules 1:9. That's when Xena was introduced!

[@tonyclements1147]

Xena..oh boy did I have a crush on her..

[@Vladimir_Fedorov27]

Btw Zeus is real. You know Aphrodite? They're related. Aphrodite is a direct ancestor of Julius Caesar. He definitely existed. So... There.

[@Vintage-Bob]

Uh-uh! We all KNOW Zeus isn't real. THOR is the real storm god who casts lightning bolts. Zeus is one of those made up gods. LOL!

[@Augfordpdoggie]

i have a feeling 2+2=94 crazy. I have a feeling there is an invisible sky daddy, who created everything, and speaks every language all at the same time, sacrificed himself to himself, as a loophole for rules he created. not crazy, got it

[@stevewhite6861]

There's nothing as dumb as religion.

[@antelopic]

@siti1ca it’s a “loophole” to reconcile you back to the Creator, who has rules for his Universe, which you don’t want to follow (so you can be your own god and make rules up as you go) and therefore look for every opportunity to deny His existence

[@rickalta2770]

Reconcile???? Creator????? No body created anything. Everything evolved. We are evolved primates and Homo Sapiens we evolved over hundreds of thousands of years. There never was a mudman and his wife ribwoman. Nothing was lost in the garden of Eden because the garden of Eden never really existed. Finally... you don't need a second Adam because there never was a first Adam

[@nsf001-3]

"i have a feeling that fictional state governments and fictional sky demons have any validity outside my own psychotic mind" -humans, in their almost-entirety

[@krisaaron5771]

@@antelopic What evidence convinces YOU that a god or gods exist?

[@skintagane2367]

Earthquake survivor sitting on a fallen telegraph pole, cradling his dog, looking across the road at the pile of rubble that was his home. Beneath the ruins lie 3 members of his family who perished. "I give thanks to Allah for sparing my dog".....WTF!!!

[@Jcs57]

You can absolutely grow trees without seeds the ignorance of cloning through cuttings doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

[@Jcs57]

Can’t believe she doesn’t know about cloning since Eve from the Bible is a human clone created from male dna extracted from a rib bone and transitioned to produce a a female. What works for one person doesn’t work for another! So if one person has a nicked artery and stopping the bleeding worked for them and they survived the next person you shouldn’t stop the bleeding because they’re different and it won’t work for them? WTF!?

[@amino5453]

caller worships their own feelings. which is on par with most religious/spiritual folks.

[@JohnShinn1960]

Which is superficiality of thought on their part.

[@Augfordpdoggie]

could you imagine being a child growing up in this house?

[@JohnShinn1960]

@@Augfordpdoggie Had such an upbringing and consider myself "damaged goods" for it.

[@casparuskruger4807]

Dianna is just waiting to talk most of the time, not even paying attention to what is being explained to her. The thing about the teacher telling the pupil to teach the class was something she just wanted to spout from her script. It was a lousy comparison and it really had nothing to do with what was being talked about at the time.

[@douglaslatham5455]

A perfect example of Blind Faith.

[@DrJames1960c]

Wrong. You need to have a factual basis for what you believe. The "gumball" garbage is just another atheist tactic to get you to think it's ok to NOT KNOW, instead of doing the research TO KNOW. Blind faith is different from Faith that's based on the preponderance of the evidence to the extent that you have good reason to trust.

[@JeremyPallant]

Look at the trees. But ignore cholera.

[@iitywybmad29]

Gods are a guess that people make when they lack knowledge and understanding of things.

[@axeninja1223]

Originally that would be true I'd think but it was soon turned into the cash cow it is today.

[@pamsmithson6830]

Utter stupidity. Listening to that caller was almost physically painful.

[@davidbelway6076]

I'm an atheist. That is not my identity. It's a label I don't need or shouldn't have to lay claim to.

[@diogeneslamp8004]

Yes! It’s a description of a position on a single question.

[@DrJames1960c]

@@diogeneslamp8004 No, it's a stamp of being lost & clueless. That's why NO ATHEIST can present a rational atheist explanation for reality. That’s because there isn’t one. You say EVERYTHING came by a natural cause, yet it is IMPOSSIBLE and never will be OBSERVABLE that any part of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing). Furthermore, NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless cult of atheism has EVER BEEN OBSERVED (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution, gain of complexity/gain of new information/new anatomy). NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be observed in every moment of every day (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine); thus, the ideas of atheism do not exist. EVERYTHING can only come from a source of EVERYTHING. CONCLUSION: Our living, intelligent, loving, conscious and moral G0D is the ONLY OPTION for life, intelligence, love, consciousness, morality and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in symmetry and order in the human body and in millions of animals that we see that same design. Atheisms = Rebellious stupidity that’s been debunked by the IRREFUTABLE FACTS (see above).

[@joshsheridan9511]

​@@DrJames1960clost and clueless says the bod who's clueless about how English works.

[@nsf001-3]

So why did you do that then?

[@fredriksundberg4624]

Exactly.

[@thomasrendleman5387]

I loved my neighbor and then they called me an adulterer😂😂

[@altheagordon430]

😂😂😂

[@johns1625]

Classic response. "But dontcha ever just... look at the mountains and the trees?" Like, yes, we know how trees work. We have investigated the trees and seen that they are trees. 😂

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

That mountain range causes drought for several thousand kilometres downwind.

[@jcc2725]

I couldn’t handle to listen to this caller. The circular thinking, the unwillingness to understand her own thinking, only justifying within seeing its limits… all this was making so anxious I couldn’t bare it.

[@jssherrard]

Ooof, that was painful. It’s a good thing I’m not a call-in host, because I don’t possess even half the patience these two generously extended to their caller. Babies are a miracle? Trees are a miracle? Because I just feel it? Ugh. But I hope she takes the time to listen to her call and makes an effort to understand just how awful some of her answers were. People can learn. Minds can change. I hope she’ll give herself the opportunity to question her own beliefs and grow a little bit.

[@DrJames1960c]

Babies? Trees? Atoms? They are all clearly designed, they repeat & couldn't have arrived by chance or be produced by a mud puddle, moon dirt or any other so-called “natural cause” as no part of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing). I look at trees, entropy, FINITE nature & the MINDLESS nonsense of your asinine atheist cult (e.g. MINDLESS big bang, MINDLESS abiogenesis, MINDLESS evolution) where no INTELLIGENC exists that has NEVER BEEN OBSERVED and I clearly see that you have no RATIONAL, POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality, because there isn't one and there never will be. Atheism is a DANGEROUS dead end. God created EVERYTHING. And EVERYTHING can only come by a source of EVERYTHING. God created this world and maintains this world as he holds this world together for his plan to reach his goal: "He existed before anything else, and he holds all creation together." - Colossians 1:17 God’s goal is to reap the best of mankind from the earth, to present to his son that will return his son’s love by their own free will in Heaven for eternity. The best of mankind is called “The Bride of Christ.” We are commanded to "overcome" Satan, the world & the flesh to be in the number that goes to heaven via death or the Rapture of the Church. Try to learn what I'm teaching you before it's too late (when your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth and you go to an eternal hell - wishing you had never been born). YOU CAN’T AFFORD TO GET THIS WRONG. Because 100+ trillion yrs from the moment you entire hell, it won’t even be the start of eternity! For now, you and every facet of your asinine, lost & clueless cult of atheism are hereby debunked (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution, gain of complexity/gain of new information/new anatomy).

[@wyldink1]

@@DrJames1960c Was your false prophecy designed? Or did you just pull it straight from your ass?

[@nigeltrigger4499]

Solid deconstruction of religion by both of the presenters! And very gently put too! Caller is not intellectually equipped to argue!

[@Culexus1]

The false joviality in her voice sounds just like my mom. It's like people feel the need to retreat to "We're just having fun, I'm not bothered at all!" when their ridiculous assertions are questioned and found wanting.

[@bryand7667]

In some ways... This is the most honest call. This theist is being more honest about why she believes than apologists, theologians, bible bros... She doesnt seem concerned about how she sounds, she is just honestly responding. Her reasons for belief are likely very similar to the reasons of all of those apologists and theologians as well.. It makes them feel good and they were raised with it and surrounded by communities that supported these beliefs (and benefitted from the spoils of the christian power structures of the time)

[@jasonmoquin]

Conversing with adolescent adults is very tiring. I hope this kid got some distance from this woman once he reached the age of freedom.

[@thomasrendleman5387]

At night sometimes I pray to God and just to make sure that there’s back up I pray to Santa Claus😂😂😊

[@diogeneslamp8004]

And at least Santa answers once a year. God…

[@tonyclements1147]

They both have surveillance on you 24/7 supposedly..

[@antelopic]

@@tonyclements1147I belief this is called a false equivalence. The Creator of the Universe (think how vast we are talking here) has sufficient resources to monitor everything in His creation, He did make it all after all.

[@tonyclements1147]

@@antelopic I’m sure you can prove your claim right, that “someone/something” created the universe and everything in it…

[@antelopic]

@@tonyclements1147sure, Can something come from nothing?

[@joshsheridan9511]

I just looked at a tree and saw a squirrel. Does that mean squirrels are gods?

[@Columbiastargazer]

it depends...did it have nuts?

[@joshsheridan9511]

@@Columbiastargazer 😄😄😄 I didn't lift its tail to check

[@Beacon80]

​@@joshsheridan9511We cannot rule out the possibility that you saw Ratatoskr, the divine messenger of the Norse.

[@jpstardom3375]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAALVIIIIIIIIIIIIIN!!!!!!

[@JariDawnchild]

​@@Beacon80I'm not too familiar with the mythology as I probably should be. Isn't that the entity that runs up and down the trunk of the world tree assisting the eagle in the canopy and the serpent at the roots in giving eachother shit?

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

Another classic example of the impossibility of reasoning rationally with a True Believer™.

[@jamespowers5951]

"RATIONAL REASONING!" Screams the lost and clueless atheist fool that thinks star dust, moist rocks and mud puddles have the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE, RESOURCES AND MEANS to create/design LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS, MORALITY, the human being and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body :) Atheism is pure idiocy. The religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. That's because atheism RUNS from "reality." I would add that as an atheist, you're bankrupt of RATIONAL/POSSIBLE causes for life, intelligence, consciousness, morality and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body. Atheism has no RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step by step atheist explanation for reality. That’s because there isn’t one. THINK ABOUT what you’re getting into w/ the cult of atheism. GET OUT NOW. I’ll help you find truth. Atheism has none. Wrong. We certainly do have free will. Foreknowledge ≠ foredetermination. GOD DOESN’T MAKE YOUR DECISIONS! God said he wanted everybody saved (John 3:16), so why aren’t we all saved, being that we don’t have free will? Just because God KNOWS it, doesn’t mean he’s making it happen. YOU are making it happen. Like it or not, G0D’s foreknowledge does not cause what we do. Nothing about foreknowledge impacts free will. You didn’t chose it because of what G0D knows. You will not be allowed on Judgement Day to stand in front of Jesus while judged on the content of the Bible & be able to have the excuse, “I can’t be found guilty, because I never had free will to make my free will choices!”

[@Leith_Crowther]

We know that it’s not impossible because if it were we’d have a radically different proportion of ex-theistic atheists.

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

@@Leith_Crowther I suspect, based on my personal experience, is that there are natural skeptics and True Believers. I was raised in a Christian faith, but grew out of it once I realised it was based on nothing but myth. True Believers never manage to cross that threshold. It's not that I was particularly enlightened or benighted, it's that I lacked whatever gene it is that promotes credulity and obedience to authority. It was easy for me to shed my faith, because I never clung to it like a second skin. Maybe being gay had something to do with it, though I doubt it. Lots of gay people are still religious believers. I just didn't have a need for that belief to feel whole or secure. In the 50+ years since, I've never regretted stopping belief in Christianity. It's a total boondoggle, a source of revenue for clergy.

[@paulgemme6056]

@@Sparrow-hawk-666 Being religious and being born of the Spirit (Holy Spirit) - knowing God/Christ Jesus (Spirit to spirit) are two different things. One is religion and one is a new life in Christ, born again, born of the Spirit of truth. The truth is, we are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. The good news (gospel) is that God/Jesus Christ came to this evil/sinful world to die for our sins. Paid the price with his blood for our forgiveness/pardon. Religion will save no one. There are so many religious people who don't know and never did know Christ Jesus/God. One must be born again, by Grace through faith we are save it is not of ourselves lest any man should boast. It is the free gift of God to all those who believe (have faith). No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

[@Sparrow-hawk-666]

@@paulgemme6056 Nope. Christianity is just another religion, no different from any other, except for the words used to compose the nonsense believed in. No religion humans have ever invented has had any relationship to reality, they're all make-believe, and Christianity is just that - make-believe. You guys make up all sorts of stories about this Jesus character, but when it's boiled down to basics, it can be summed up thus: god creates humans that he knows will fail and sin according to his laws, so he sends himself down as his own son, to save us from his own wrath, then sacrifices his son to himself to appease himself, and it's been chaos ever since. Sorry, but I just don't find that story very convincing. Your mileage obviously varies. Maybe your god could lighten up a bit? How's that for a suggestion? Or maybe you should find a more intelligent god to believe in.

[@mhm77887]

1:00:32 I was waiting for this moment! She's claiming that the christian God is love and then finally gets confronted with what the bible actually says!

[@Mxxx-ii9bu]

Just one ad hoc rationalization after another. What a ridiculous foundation upon which to base a worldview.

[@steveboone7390]

Kudos to you two for having the patience to entertain this childlike caller. The eye-rolling must have become a strain!

[@porkyboy4226]

DUI at 17, gotta luv those Christians 😂

[@Mewse1203]

She went from "it's all just feelings" and then described those feelings as being based on a bunch of evidence.

[@The-Doubters-Diary]

Christian: Look at the trees! Me: Look at all the water! Why did a god create a mostly water planet for his prized mammal creation to live on and navigate?

[@NotAPacifist825]

Obv god loves boats.

[@Jcs57]

@@NotAPacifist825A omnipotent being that requires boat builders, just keep him away from the starship 😅

[@antelopic]

It wasn’t created this way, this is a result of chaos on the 🌍. Only those few who harkened the call of faith, believed, entered the boat, and were saved - all others perished. The Creator first has patience and warning, and then comes the wrath and destruction.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

@@antelopicYeah, good thing we have medication to treat that now

[@antelopic]

@@BaronVonQuiplyyes sir, some people just can’t deal with the reality of an Almighty Creator who is going to hold them accountable - good thing we have the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Which medication do you choose?

[@trocknorat]

Look! It's a miracle! Babies with Spina Bifida!

[@nickt463]

When I was younger, my dad had a few of his Christian friends over, and they were trying to convert me. They gave me the "human eye is perfect therefore God is real" argument. They didn't like it when I asked them why I'm the only one in the room who isn't wearing glasses then. I told them that their God must love an atheist more 😂

[@fresh-eggs]

Perfect 😂😂😂

[@back-roomconfessions6746]

This lady is RIDICULOUS

[@BobbyFriston]

I look at the trees but I just see Forrest.

[@michaelflorida56]

gump?

[@vansdan.]

​@@michaelflorida56Valkai

[@LOwens-xf8yo]

I do love me some Forrest!

[@paulgemme6056]

@@LOwens-xf8yo There are many people who are blind that know and love God/Jesus Christ/Holy Spirit because by faith in the blood of Christ they have hope. They know that one day because of their faith in the Creator of all things they will be in a place where only righteousness dwells and there will be no more blindness or sin. No more unbelief. Atheists offer no hope. If they did, they would forgive sin and cause the blind to see. That's what Jesus Christ did.

[@LOwens-xf8yo]

@@paulgemme6056 Are you talking to me? All I said was that I love me some Forrest. Who is a knowledgeable biologist & and great teacher. And you responded with a dig about atheists having no hope. As if a Christian can’t believe in evolution or appreciate his skill. Perhaps you were simply triggered. Well now, I’m triggered. Scientists, like Forrest & myself, are full of hope for results that advance our current world, they just don’t make claims about an after life. Scientific hope has resulted in curing the blind, putting a men on the moon, the internet we are speaking over, and the medical & agricultural advances that have allowed the world’s population to surge to nearly triple in my lifetime. Having a single answer (god) to all of life’s questions can stop further inquiry. It suggests that this life only useful for preparing for the next. But if that were true, Jesus wouldn’t have instructed us to serve others in this lifetime. Look how amazing it was that when the pandemic struck, that this time, a vaccine was created within a year that drastically reduced its mortality! How does this not offer hope? With every advancement, there is hope of new & better ways to improve this life. Hope for what happens after death is only useful for the dead. I prefer to put my hope in knowledge & learning, and teaching that almost anything is possible if people work together. At least until God pulls that Tower of Babel nonsense again to punish our collective pride. But next time, instead of scattering, the scientists will stay together & learn each other’s languages so they can continue. This is hope at its best!

[@amtlpaul]

LOL, Neppy the Spammer from the Slammer, alias "Dr. James', never learned about the birds and the bees!

[@leejam5268]

Bizarre conversation, sounds like no-one has ever questioned her nutty naive fairytale beliefs

[@jamespowers5951]

"FAIRY TALES!" Screams the atheist fool that believes the human being came from a rock, that morality came from a mud puddle, that life can come from a warm pond. Son, we have billions of mud puddles, rocks & warm ponds. NONE OF THEM has ever produced anything NEW. You're atheist desperation is noted. SORRY KID, but it’s blatant stupidity (atheism) to think that star dust, moist rocks and mud puddles have the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE AND MEANS to create/design LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS, MORALITY, the human being and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body :) Atheism is pure idiocy. You have a ton to learn. Thank God I'm here to teach you the facts, because you're totally lost & clueless.

[@SundaeExpress]

They probably have but I doubt she was listening.

[@SundaeExpress]

@@jamespowers5951 Did you read a lot of fairy tales during your 7 years in prison for fraud, theft and racketeering?

[@wyldink1]

@@jamespowers5951 "Atheist fool", screams the lost and clueless believer in magic who couldn't even get his omniscient God to give an accurate prophecy. Boy, when are going to stop running away from me? I promise to not hurt you. I just seek accountability.

[@totokekedile]

Oh, believe me, I've questioned her plenty. Didn't make much difference.

[@SqwarkParrotSpittingFeathers]

Bonkers. Are we surrounded by crazies?

[@powbobs]

Definitely, and they vote conservative.

[@ToddHurney]

yes

[@OldNewsIsGoodNews]

Caller: God is X thing. Hosts: You're saying god is (accurate rephrasing of X thing)?? Caller (suddenly incredulous): You're saying that God is the exact thing that I just said God is??? This kind of non-logic drives me nuts. If the person isn't being purely disingenuous (which is often the case, to be fair), that kind of thing seems to come from a concerning struggle with certain elements of reading/listening comprehension that religion seems to stunt for a lot of people (depending on how steeped in it they are and/or used to be, especially if they grew up with it). Not for everybody, thankfully, but it seems to be such a common thing for a lot of people I've seen who grew up indoctrinated in the way it seems this lady was, even when they legit appear to be trying. I wonder how much that's an accurate perception.

[@OnASeasideMission]

The evolution of trees is well documented. One of my geology tutors was a palaeobotanist who was also a devout Christian. He acknowledged that he had a problem with his beliefs, but he taught science according to the evidence. Respect.

[@johnellis1567]

Look at the trees? I’m too busy talking to them.

[@amtlpaul]

No, the Spammer from the Slammer Neppy does not know what he is talking about, not that that stops him from talking, yelling, ranting and raving.

[@terminusest5902]

Love is great. Priests love little boys a lot. They must be true and honest people.

[@alexmetea3586]

“God bless you” (😂) both for hanging in there as long as you did. Wowee this one was tough to get through.

[@sabin1166]

Religion forces people to say stupid things.

[@jamespowers5951]

Atheism is a religion; just the dumbest one.

[@SundaeExpress]

"Forces" is a stretch. For indoctrinated kids maybe, but the tragedy is that the grown-up theists actually say this idiotic stuff by choice!

[@SundaeExpress]

@@jamespowers5951 Thanks for your insights and in-depth analysis, Cletus. You've completely converted me with that amazing counterargument 🙄

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

My brother-in-law's mother. "All religions are my Christian god." Try saying that out loud in Basra, lady.

[@sangieredwolf]

THE LEGENDS

[@BrianFedirko]

Most don't see the harm. It is a complicated massive harm that adds up to deadly results eventually. "Ignorance is bliss" and "oh, I don't see the harm" is very harmful to others and denial to oneself. Just because you can't put the pieces together, don't just claim "no harm". Simply putting "hell" into a young personas head can destroy the rest of a life that could have been good. It paralysed children by the billions, while people say "no harm". Bliss. Gr8! Peace ☮💜

[@SundaeExpress]

Proof for God? Just look at the mud puddles! 😂

[@ApatheticFish3667]

I didn't come from a mud puddle, but NEPy definitely did.

[@paulgemme6056]

@@ApatheticFish3667 There are many people who are blind that know and love God/Jesus Christ/Holy Spirit because by faith in the blood of Christ they have hope. They know that one day because of their faith in the Creator of all things they will be in a place where only righteousness dwells and there will be no more blindness or sin. No more unbelief. Atheists offer no hope. If they did, they would forgive sin and cause the blind to see. That's what Jesus Christ did.

[@klaxoncow]

I enjoyed this conversation. Just that. It was nice to listen to.

[@Lightbearer616]

Proof of no god, just look at the trees.

[@jorgeyubank]

This lady is just slow ! Wasting time trying to talk to a lady that chooses what is a miracle and what is not, how convenient 😂

[@paulrichards6894]

she seems nice enough though

[@JohnShinn1960]

@@paulrichards6894 "Seems".

[@paulrichards6894]

@@JohnShinn1960 suppose she is cover for the crazier followers

[@jorgeyubank]

@@paulrichards6894 yes that it’s true, but that is about it.

[@IONAPINKMOXIE]

I love this segment. Putting feet to fire regarding the definition of a miracle. LOVE!

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

"Oh, miracles are only GOOD things. Even the bad ones are kinda fun!"

[@fozzsr]

Great call, I really love these two.

[@beny9360]

Beliefs are just how the brain processes information. She’s had the same since she was 4. She’s never changed that. She’s easy to understand.

[@chadrasmussen1154]

I'm the same way I believe in Jesus and god

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@chadrasmussen1154 Great, keep it private and to yourself

[@ReverendHowl]

Ah, the miracle of the circle of logic.

[@alisonjones8861]

Her statement of "God is love" reminded me of the character Brick in Anchorman saying "I love lamp". 😂

[@Raabana1]

We did nothing 😂

[@martinelzen5127]

Wow, these mods are so so patient..

[@emmafranklin9433]

I really wish I could hear how the son and the pastor’s conversation went!

[@BaronVonQuiply]

My guess is "Just look at the trees!"

[@slimjim227]

People may not be able to make a tree but they can make gods by the dozens, isn’t that the more remarkable accomplishment Dianna?

[@thomasrendleman5387]

I only believe in Odd balls. Because the Bible doesn’t believe in even balls

[@Bill_Garthright]

Well, this caller _did_ demonstrate that oddballs exist. :)

[@artyedmond8972]

Yup, can't really reason with someone like that. My dad was the same exact way.

[@speed3971]

When reality is too much to comprehend blind faith fills the voids.

[@GenXwarrior]

Thank you ladies!

[@MrKhushrenada]

I hope she saves some cherries for later and didn't eat them all at once. 😉✌

[@austinalabrador5104]

I can’t help but offer a personal house Real life example. My parents, hardcore Born Again Christians-at the time in their 60s - moved to FL. They bought a mobile home from other “god fearing Christian’s” who the said, in their prayers god told them to trust and buy. Despite all of us children and their friends told them, they trusted gods word and these find Christian people. Less than a month after closing they had a pluming problem, the plumber went under the home and came back to tell them everything under there was rotten and the floor would soon fall in. The place was dangerous and he had to report it to the park manager. My parents eventually had to choose to replace the entire sub-structure or have it towed away and get a new home. Pissed me off that rather that seeing they were cheated they saw it as gods way of getting them a brand new home.

[@wwlib5390]

I assume they got a 'new home' - so do YOU suppose how THEY see things is wrong and how YOU see things is right? Kids don't always do what their parents agree with. And parents don't always do things that their kids agree with.

[@nicolab2075]

​@@wwlib5390 But one view is more rational than the other, wouldn't you say?

[@austinalabrador5104]

@@wwlib5390not only did they get a new home they couldn’t afford, that’s why they were buying used in the first place. My dad got a heart attack from the stress of having to come out of retirement to work a second job at a dry cleaning company to help pay that mortgage. And mom was left widowed and lost the house only 8 years after this started. With no real equity in it, as it was a mobile home. She was left with nothing. She moved back north and lived in elder housing. She was too proud to move in with any of her godless children how wished to offer her a comfortable home. I guess “god” works in mysterious ways…. That always seem so miserable

[@BaronVonQuiply]

@@wwlib5390I heard a beautiful story about God giving a guy a wife and family by removing the one he had in a car wreck. He truly is love incarnate. Anyway, I took a massive amount of datura seeds a while ago, so I should get off the internet before it kicks in and I say something insane. Oh look! The squirrel sheriff is here to repossess my dandruff. Gotta go.

[@jamespowers5951]

So a Christian can't make a bad decision? Once you're a Christian, you can become a leader in finance? Is that how it works? NO. Salvation just gets you to heaven, son. You gain eternal life. That's it. LEARN WHAT I JUST TAUGHT You and STOP with this atheist nonsense, before it's costs you EVERYTHING.

[@Sage2000]

Best argument in my opinion in this case should compare to Santa Claus. Its conforting, it is very real to us as kids...

[@michaelbrent5950]

I find these videos simultaneously entertaining and terrifying. The realization that some of the people who hold these lunatic beliefs are nurses, teachers, bus drivers, etc... Very scary.

[@istvansipos9940]

"we dawnt hav da toolz to meahsure the lawrd today" Dianna, you were so damn close. Travel to a hot, I mean HOT area and convince the natives about the legend of rock water. No freezer, no ice cream, etc just 1 book written about ice. Unlike the bible, it can be a well written, well edited book, and you still won't convince them about ice. They will laugh you outa their village. And the topic in this hypothetical is just solid water. Not a genocidal but somehow actually kinda sorta good-ish wizard. Oh, and you would not tell them that water is the only liquid we can freeze solid. But the g0d is the only deity. RUUUUUY?

[@reyramirez5710]

The caller has my pity.