PROOF John Stockton Is The MOST OVERRATED PLAYER In NBA HISTORY!

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[@rustybuckets]

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[@spacerace1448]

You know that Muddiay was confirmed too, why does no one talk about that?

[@spacerace1448]

Oh wait it was negative, disregard that.

[@alphabah6094]

Damm rusty why all you videos always bout someone being overrated 😂😂

[@alphabah6094]

Plus most overrated is Reggie Miller

[@dragonxetron7833]

You watch too much nba story teller lol

[@henryrutherford-braun9859]

But the dude literally showed up to games in a minivan, he was the ultimate dad of the NBA

[@joshua6207]

Best point guard of all time

[@jeffthewhale_8167]

Josh o wrong

[@joshua6207]

@@jeffthewhale_8167 who you got ?

[@jeffthewhale_8167]

Magic

[@joshua6207]

@@jeffthewhale_8167 magic was a small forward 😉

[@AggravatedMan365]

Man the jazz have been through enough in the past 24 hours

[@HeyJaymye]

The Gooch 🤣🤣🤣

[@skywalker2676]

Bruh even Gary Payton said this man was harder to guard than MJ, you cappin on this one

[@vicshephard9231]

Makes sense seeing how competitive they were.

[@buzzerbeater3350]

The reason Gary said that was because Stockton would not bite when he would trash talk him.

[@vicshephard9231]

Buzzer Beater no, he spoke on how Stockton controlled Utah's offense. He knew where everyone was supposed to be and held his teammates accountable. Stockton was a great floor general and Payton respected that.

[@vicshephard9231]

Also not being bothered by trash talk is a sign of mental toughness. You're not the all time assists and steals leader without that.

[@benxenos9875]

This comment needs love

[@811chelseafc]

The phrase “not the guy who should be on top of the all time assist list” might be one of the most ridiculous sports take I’ve ever heard.

[@sir.muffiniii7011]

How

[@shadowtoad95]

Uh, may I know your reasoning?

[@isaacdunaway7149]

So basically what you’re saying is that John Stockton is the all time assist leader only because of Jerry Sloan and Karl Malone and that anyone can pass it to Malone in the post. He’s a good passer, not a great one. I’m gonna use Derek Fisher as an example here because he was a good, not great passer. Put Fisher in Sloan’s system and give him Karl Malone and he’d have 5000 more assists than Magic Johnson? That’s not happening. You’re not wrong that Stockton’s stats were elevated by his system, but you can’t take just anyone and duplicate that amount of success. How many players can play 16 seasons of 82 games? Not many. Most players have stats elevated by their systems. Are James Harden’s scoring stats elevated by his system? Were Steve Nash’s assists elevated by Phoenix’s seven second or less offense? The problem with this video is you can take the argument you’re using and apply it to any all time great player.

[@Nozirev]

Biggest difference is it elevated his stats at the cost of team success he averages 22 and 8 and he wins at least one ring but he values assists instead

[@theredpixel9496]

Agreed. Also, coaches design plays based on players' strengths. No one can tell me that the Bulls didn't design their plays around Jordan.

[@troliskimosko]

@@theredpixel9496 Exactly. doesn't make jordan any less of a player, so why should it make stockton overrated?

[@Htiy]

Couldn’t have said it better

[@shingouki6392]

@@troliskimosko hes overrated because people are genuinely convinced that he was a godlike generational talent that surpasses the passing iq and basketball iq of, say, magic, larry or even Nash or Jokic. Bro didnt even have a left hand for shit, thank Michael Jordan for exposing that.

[@eiferer980]

John Stockton also played against Jordan’s bulls so that’s a big issue why his play didn’t lead to chips....

[@cambo4284]

The bulls barely won those finals! Think about it 🤔 Both series came down to the final seconds of game 6! I think it's pretty safe to say if Stockton was more of a scorer that could've tipped things in there favor

[@SoggyHotDoggy]

cambo4284 maybe but he wasn’t

[@dandollas]

Eiferer / a true great would overcome the challenge, and that’s just facts 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@andrehts11]

@@dandollas overcoming MJ? Really? Lol

[@Dotsetc]

Keyan Dehghan In 98 they won va the Lakers with Shaq and Kobe off the bench, the Spurs Tim Duncan and Robinson and Rockets, Olajuwon, Drexler and Barkley and went to 6 with the Bulls. Stop bullshitting dude lol.

[@fetti22]

i hate when people use “system player” as an argument against a player.

[@williamkoscielniak820]

Me too. Every player plays in a system. It's a shitty argument.

[@rbj3445]

especially referring to stockton....who played for the same team his WHOLE career😹

[@whyrobotslie8076]

@@williamkoscielniak820 Dude that's just a system argument

[@reasedogable]

@Fries we'll never know

[@matthewbartke4424]

Especially when the system usually revolves around the star players...

[@averagekentuckyfan870]

“Stephen curry isn’t he best shooter of all time because his system makes him shoot threes well.” -rusty buckets.

[@joshualee9540]

Also because he's a genuinely good shooter

[@averagekentuckyfan870]

Joshua Lee I know but I was using his logic.

[@joshualee9540]

@@averagekentuckyfan870 There's an issue with that statement being "flawed", Stephen Curry is one of the most portable NBA players if all-time, and his gravity and overall impact is something VERY few all-time greats can rival. John Stockton doesn't have the same level of portability or versatility.

[@averagekentuckyfan870]

Joshua Lee no but just because he was in a good system shouldn’t negate the fact that he’s one of the best to play his position.

[@joshualee9540]

@@averagekentuckyfan870 He was great because of the role he was placed in. Of course, he was a very talented player, but the role he was given gives a sense of inflation to his overall impact and statistics. Based on the role he was placed in, yeah, he's an all-time great player, but context is needed in these situations.

[@dostacos1]

You trash Stockton’s lack of flash, but why were they able to run virtually the same play, other teams knew what was coming, and still virtually no one could stop it? It’s a good thing Stockton didn’t sacrifice efficiency for flash to appease future KZbinrs.

[@johnk230]

ya this guy is an idiot

[@lukemccann]

"It’s a good thing Stockton didn’t sacrifice efficiency for flash to appease future KZbinrs" lolll this is brilliant XD.

[@xsmaniii891]

@SunamiKilla If that's all that it took, don't you think they would have had 0 success as players. Simply guard the passing lane. It clearly wasn't as simple as dumping the ball to Malone. They knew what was coming like he stated and still couldn't stop it. Not anybody can go on a court and do that.

[@Nozirev]

In he playoffs they were able to do it and lose every year

[@kingad8869]

You say it's a good thing but he's ringless so how good could it be.

[@coryswainston8450]

Average players don’t accidentally have all time records in two categories by massive margins... this is like “12 year old whose basketball knowledge comes from playing 2k” level stuff

[@m.robert123]

people shit on stockton's assists bc he played with karl malone, but nobody would discredit magic's assists even he played with kareem. it's wild to me.

[@cuck4566]

@@m.robert123 the reason people do is because it's literally Karl doing all the work in the film

[@carlingram8316]

Why do you say Malone did all the work? Because scoring gets more love than passing? Look at all the quick, easy shots that Malone gets around the rim. Or when the defense leaves Malone to cover Stockton on the pick and roll.

[@nunogomes4149]

@UChCiipUR5JD-3JwfYlVWMVw He said Karl does all the work because he does you fucking idiot. Go watch Stockton's 28 assist game against the spurs. Tell many how many average nba point guards would make at least 20 of those passes. Stockton isn't a talented passer, he just does what he's told and gives the ball to the scorers. Look at how many of those assists are a basic pass into an impressive finish. John literally has an open midrange jumpshot at one point but still passes it to Malone who has to get fouled and make a difficult left handed layup. I think that's Karl doing the work ngl

[@the757general2]

@@m.robert123 the big difference is that Magic made everyone on his team look good. He made already great players like Magic and Wilkes look even better. While Stockton owns the all-time assist record Magic is actually the all-time leader in career assists per game.

[@brianclark528]

7 assists per game in college is absurd. I think you're missing the difference in the college and pro games.

[@picassojulien899]

Thats when I knew rusty was becoming a casual and didn’t understand the game. To average a certain amount of points rebounds or assist in college is extremely hard. 7 assist in college means you’re finding guys pretty easy and that is VERY HARD to do on the collegiate level

[@prlysis]

Stockton owns the record for the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 11th, and 17th most prolific single seasons in assists per game *and* total assists. For a career, only Magic has more assists per game, but Stockton played 6 seasons past his prime (Magic retired in his). Also, Stockton's steals per-game rank top-10 in NBA history (in *spite* of him playing 19 years). He ranks first in assists and steals by a *wide* margin and was very efficient when he shot the ball. I don't understand the hate.

[@jimbo1130]

I felt like he was one of the most underrated players in NBA history

[@djdrestyles77]

He's constantly disrespected

[@jimbo1130]

@@alectrecker5841 I don't have a Nephew, I'm still in middle school

[@gospaironija2762]

@@alectrecker5841 He is right up there for greatest PG in history of the game and get 0 respect like this idiot here talking.HOF he is he is the all time great in asists and steals and still one of the most underrated players in history if not for him Karl would be nothing like he would avrage a lot less then with this mastermind.I dont think you understand what underrated means to be honest.

[@jacobrox1632]

@@alectrecker5841 *Tim Duncan and Charles Barkley

[@zakariyahussain7931]

@@alectrecker5841 u just said 'arguably the greatest power forward, ever, behind only Tim Duncan'. Are u stupid? Do u realise what ur saying? U just contradicted urself.(BTW Tim Duncan is undoubtedly the greatest PF of all time no question). Also Karl Malone and Stockton made each other better. They were both extremely talented, both top 15 in talent all time in my opinion. They didnt win championship so the can only be ranked top 50 but they were both amazing players. The video is complete retarded. I doubt this dudes ever even watched Stockton live and is just talking completely out of his ass.

[@jerrysmooth24]

Vanilla coke is the MOST UNDERRATED SODA in WORLD HISTORY

[@lastnamefirst5521]

It ain't underrated the school system rates it as most smacking soda. Learned that in the 2nd grade.

[@AlanNadeauIII]

FACTS

[@Commasoncommqs]

U probably beat to pimple popping videos😭

[@manz7860]

Dr pepper>

[@spectraphantom9374]

Jerry Smooth soda ain’t it

[@kourt2469]

Honestly the coldest take I've ever wasted my time listening too. Are we going to discredit everyone else on the assists leaderboard based on who else was on their team? You could literally apply these exact same criticisms to every other point guard.

[@reasedogable]

Not really

[@kourt2469]

@@reasedogable that was convincing

[@the757general2]

@@kourt2469 the system helps like it did with Nash. It also helped playing alongside a top 20 NBA player of all-time who averaged over 20 PPG in all but one season in a 19 year career. Stockton's production often suffered in the playoffs.

[@kourt2469]

@@the757general2 retarded comment. By that logic then whoever is playing alongside lebron or Jordan should always lead the league in assists that season.

[@spuh3460]

Who cares that Stockton wouldn’t be great without Malone, he still had him, Jordan wouldn’t have been the goat without Pippen but hey he still had him. Don’t disrespect Stockton the guys a legend.

[@rustybuckets]

Jordan would've still been a damn good, all time great player even without Pippen. John would be a very good, but not all time great without Malone. Not comparable.

[@havoCitCh]

Rusty Buckets they also fed off each other,Malone is a top two in points because of Stockton but wit Stockton besides passing he is actually jus decent.Like bruh Ik it’s a team sport but there is not a single top point guard today that wouldn’t cook his ass.he jus a “better passer” that’s it.And you can argue lebron and CP3 are better passers,even magic and Larry

[@havoCitCh]

Rusty Buckets I plus assist are more of an eye test then a stat

[@jermainesmith9429]

spuh are u comparing Scottie to Karl🤣

[@spuh3460]

Rusty Buckets I’m not comparing them in any way, I understand Jordan would still be one of the best talents out there, but without Pippen who knows if he would have won, but he did have him so there’s no reason to disrespect him by saying he wouldn’t have won.(I’m not saying anyone is disrespecting him, I’m just saying it’s the same thing as you saying Stockton would be average without Malone) Same thing with Stockton, chances are he wouldn’t have been as good without Karl, but we don’t know because that didn’t happen. Let the man have his records and be one of the best “Point” guards ever.

[@abaddonfrazier4772]

With all this stockton slander you’re starting to sound like the NBA storyteller

[@oj397]

What I was thinking

[@awesomereviews1561]

They are lovers.

[@benxenos9875]

Oh yeah I forgot about that idiot 😂

[@BePatientSeeLove]

@shawty eat'em up i just say arguably top 50 ever and dont overrate him i appreciate him simple and he is the all time steals leader and if it was so easy to do it wouldve been broken simple as that

[@BePatientSeeLove]

@@benxenos9875 Its weird he's criticizing John Stockton for being durable but gives lebron credit for being durable 😐

[@joshuamccaffrey3143]

Never missed the playoffs, only got hurt once, steal record, and assists record. Yes the jazz had a system, but he perfected it. Harden, Nash, and Jordan are system players. Never won a chip because of Jordan. Come on man.

[@dashrunner2.014]

Don't disrespect Steve nash

[@joshuamccaffrey3143]

Jeffrey Moise how did dis Nash, I included in the list of greatest offensive players of all time. Plus the list includes Jordan...

[@dashrunner2.014]

@@joshuamccaffrey3143 I am sorry for the comment but Steve nash shows that he can shoot and pass which makes the whole team in phoenix even without arme.

[@dashrunner2.014]

@@joshuamccaffrey3143 and my mistake for putting this comment in here my bad.

[@willcherry4243]

How can you call James Harden a system player when he succeeded in two different systems?

[@jorgelazo3762]

The system argument could also be applied to players such as Jordan and Kobe, both played for the majority of their careers in Triangle offense, which is a system that favoured scoring guards and wings just as the Stockton Jazz system favoured pass-first point guards. That being said, are they considered worse scorers than (let's say) KD or T-Mac? Of course not. John Stockton is rated just as high as he should be, nor should be considered a one-trick pony for making the easy pass to Karl Malone in the post. He was one of the greatest passers ever in the open floor and in traffic, as well as one of the greatest floor generals for all-time great off-ball players such as Jeff Hornacek.

[@youngboyxaj6692]

Except Jordan put up buckets before Phil, and played more of a Lebron do it everything role, Phil told him just go score and he got 6 rings🤷🏽‍♂️

[@simple45679]

Bruh, Jordan was dropping 35 a game before Phil showed up. If anything, playing in the triangle lowered Jordan's stats (imo which are still the greatest in history, all things considered) to maximize the team's chances of winning.

[@aznbeast124]

same thing can be said bout steve nash about the stats bein inflated🤷‍♀️

[@donninitinegoro2242]

Rookie Jordan without triangle 28ppg

[@fulmetang]

Every single team plays in a system!!!!!!!!! That’s how basketball works. How the system works and how the plays execute it will determine who wins

[@jasonkwun2228]

They only made the playoffs every single year he played and only holds 2 records that won't be broken, but OK....overrated...sure

[@kylefreeman8077]

The thing about not winning on the highest stage... no one was beating the Bulls in the 90's

[@yt-lh4gx]

The 16-17 warriors would have swept the bulls

[@yt-lh4gx]

@cmindless see what I mean

[@kylefreeman8077]

Pacers took them 7 but lost and MJ was rusty when Orlando bear him b4 losing to Houston

[@kylefreeman8077]

Nah it wouldn't have been a sweep bulls would win once or twice at home

[@bigfundamental1096]

1990 piston

[@5uckk]

I would rather listen to players who actually played against him, he’s rated just right, one of the best PGs of all time.

[@aaronbarkley539]

5uckk just by numbers alone he is by far the best point guard of all time. People don’t even come close to his assists or steals.

[@aaronbarkley539]

SunamiKilla it’s not about passing to a good player, he passed to all his players at the right time. In his whole career he averaged 2.8 turnovers a game while averaging 10.5 assists. That’s what makes him the best point guard of all time.

[@christophergraves3113]

@SunamiKilla see people who make stupid like this and never watched someone plays ...makes you a certified casual

[@Asap750]

@@aaronbarkley539 No rings, MVP or any significant award. There's levels to this. Magic, Curry, Thomas, Westbrook, Oscar, Iverson are all better and greater than him all time. Stockton was never the best player on his team.

[@aubreyrogers5264]

Anayo Amaefule AI was not a PG. Also Stockton was the greatest fundamental point guard of all time his passes and playstyle weren’t flashy but they worked incredibly well.

[@callumblake5741]

Dude they lost the championship to Jordan’s bulls give him some slack ffs

[@rustybuckets]

in 1998, the Jazz had no excuses for losing

[@tmac731]

Rusty Buckets Jordan just proved he’s the goat in 1998. Pippen Missed 40 regular season games with a bad back and he was almost like Larry bird in the finals. Rodman wasn’t starting anymore and was not grabbing 15reb a game.

[@greekyoungbuck]

@@rustybuckets Jordan was there excuse do you not know who that was?

[@BePatientSeeLove]

@@rustybuckets why did u criticize him for being durable but give bron credit for being durable? that's where u lost me and lebron and a couple other stars had NO EXCUSES FOR LOSING either

[@BePatientSeeLove]

@@greekyoungbuck lol its like weird because Jordan is the greatest of all so its weird cause Jordan is better than john and karl so i expect him to win plane and simple

[@Sam-ky3su]

Let’s forget about the assists and steals for a second and look at his other stats. He shot 51.5% Field goals, 54.1% 2-point FG, 38.1% 3-point FG, giving him a 54.6% Effective FG. Having 54% 2-point FG is remarkable especially for a non-athletic 6’1” player like him who played in his era when the lane was packed. He is also one of the all time leaders in true-shooting percentage at 60.8 %. Stockton is only 4th all-time in turnovers even though the top 3 all played less games than him. Even if he played in a different system, he would’ve been still a great player. You said it yourself, he was a great scorer in college. Stockton did get a lot of easy assists like what the clips show. But what you didn’t show was how he ran the pick n’ roll. He still remains to this day the best pick n’ roll point guard in history. Stockton isn’t overrated.

[@kyrito1148]

Sam Stockton can’t do shit in the finals

[@mylesveech2994]

@@kyrito1148 Kinda hard when you have to go against the goat Micheal Jordan and the 20 point per game scoring, scottie pippen. And the amazing defense and rebounding by Dennis Rodman.

[@kyrito1148]

Myles Veech I meant to say playoffs as a whole, as there were very key moments where he underperformed, such as the Sonics series in 96, the series against the blazers in 92, and the finals in 98. He also just isn’t as good as some other all time great point guards imo. He was never a serious MVP candidate. He isn’t as impactful as guys like curry, Cp3, IT, magic, Oscar, and West. It’s ridiculous how people think he’s a top 25 player when I can name more than 25 players greater than him. He’s more top 40 imo

[@mylesveech2994]

@@kyrito1148 I do think that he is a top 25 player. But I also think that he is not an overrated player as well. In my book he is a top 40 player at most.

[@mylesveech2994]

I meant not a top 25

[@tekzrlab5487]

I can’t stand petty arguments like this just because he is a “system player” you lower the value of him. That shouldn’t take away from a player just because he efficiently ran the system.

[@makogearsolid8002]

I know right? Imagine where he would be if he went against Sloan’s system, prolly would have never made a post season

[@tekzrlab5487]

Mako Gear Solid I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic.

[@jaywaz680]

I overall enjoyed your video. While I disagree, you still made some good points. Stockton’s durability was insane, and he was a great defender. Gary Payton one of the greatest defenders ever, said John Stockton was the hardest player he has ever guarded.

[@joshualee9540]

Low-key, you can argue that Jason Kidd is a better defender than Gary Payton, but that's probably one of the most unpopular opinions I have.

[@jaywaz680]

Joshua Lee To be honest, you can make that case. It’s just that Payton has a DPOY which goes to his favor.

[@swpdisciple]

Joshua Lee how is Jason Kidd a better defender? Gary Payton (along with maybe Walt Clyde Frazier and someone else I’m forgetting) is the best defensive PG (and one of the best offensive, he just played too long which watered down his numbers) ever. Had George Karl kept him on Jordan all of the 1996 Finals (look at Jordan’s shooting percentage games 4-6), the Sonics almost certainly win that series.

[@joshualee9540]

@@swpdisciple Jason Kidd has massive impact on the defensive end, for a point guard, which is very rare for any guard. I don't value specific moments a whole bunch, because they're only a few games out of hundreds of games we can use as sample size. Now, the reason why I think of Jason Kidd very highly on the defensive end is because I value impact, and Jason Kidd got a below average Nets team, on the defensive end, to one of the best defensive teams in the league, with little to no roster changes, and Jason was the biggest reason to why they improves drastically.

[@davidmartinez52420]

@Jay Waz Stockton had a reputation for being a dirty play on defense. A lot of people around the league back then said it.

[@Jasonwilliams21]

I'm gonna give you a like but current day assist are way more overrated than John Stockton assist.

[@BePatientSeeLove]

not to mention hes criticizing john for being durable but gives bron credit for being durable

[@xsmaniii891]

So basically what you’re saying is that John Stockton is the all time assist leader only because of Jerry Sloan and Karl Malone and that anyone can pass it to Malone in the post. He’s a good passer, not a great one. I’m gonna use Derek Fisher as an example here because he was a good, not great passer. Put Fisher in Sloan’s system and give him Karl Malone and he’d have 5000 more assists than Magic Johnson? That’s not happening. You’re not wrong that Stockton’s stats were elevated by his system, but you can’t take just anyone and duplicate that amount of success. (Copied but it's facts.)

[@oluwaseyijohnson3162]

@@BigGainer98 you're dumb, fouls have been down this whole decade compared to the 90s

[@kingad8869]

@@xsmaniii891 Imagine thinking Derek Fisher was a good passer. Foh.

[@williamkoscielniak820]

@@xsmaniii891 Exactly. He's taking the all time assist leader who led the league in assists countless while also scoring on elite efficiency and saying that the reason for this was because of Karl Malone and the system he played in. He even mentions that Stockton was a great scorer in college, yet for some reason never considers the possibility that while the system may have inflated Stocktons assists, it also could have easily decreased his scoring. Given how great of a shooter Stockton was, along with how well he could drive to the rim and finish, I have no doubt that if he were asked to be a scorer he could have put up 20/8 seasons on good efficiency. Stockton was a great passer and a great shooter/good scorer. He did what he was asked to do. Put him in a system where he's asked to be a combo guard and he'd be a different, but equally great player. He could score, pass, and defend no matter what system he played in or who he played with. Stockton was just an extremely gifted athlete who was also extremely intelligent, tough, and dedicated.

[@Dotsetc]

To be fair as a Bulls fan you should know that it was actually the Bulls, with Rodman, twice that won vs the Jazz in a crazy hard fought series. Had the juggernaut Bulls and MJ not exist, you most likely wouldnt have made this video because they would sure as fucking hell had at least one or two chips. Especially that 98 season, the Jazz could seriously only be stopped by MJ. They won vs the Lakers with Shaq, Eddie Jones, Grant, Van Exel, Fox and Kobe Bryant off the bench, the Spurs with Tim Duncan and Robinson and in the CF vs the Rockets team with Olajuwon, Barkley, Willis and Drexler. Seriously cant say they are overrated my dude and Stockton either who was just as important during these series as Karl Malone feeding the MVP of the league. If you could add a minus on Stockton its the fact that he couldnt pass with his left which is basically why they lost vs the Bulls(Phil Jackson told his team to constantly leave the left side open so the only way he could go is to his off-hand). But even with such a huge negative, he still somehow got most of his passes off on incredible rate.

[@jesseg8172]

I agree 100% with you. As much as I hated the Jazz and rooted for MJ there's no seriously way that you can say that John Stockton is not one of the greatest of all time.

[@ambitionzazaridah4363]

And it was Stockton that hit that game winning 3 at the buzzer in game 6 of western conference finals to send Utah to the finals

[@manz7860]

I dont know how someone can say hes the most overrated player. AI and steve nash come to mind...

[@greekyoungbuck]

@@manz7860 what's wrong with Nash

[@simple45679]

Preach bruh. Lebron stans say Jordan won 6-0 because he had no competition. The Jazz were sending the Robinson Spurs AND Shaq/Kobe Lakers home in the second round lmao. Jordan was just too great that he always managed to put his team on top, last minute of Game 6 in the 1998 finals come to mind. Down 3, score two quick points then strip Malone at the other so that he can hit the series-winning shot. Greatest of all time. Other times, Jordan just put his opponents to bed without getting close to game 7. Lebron could carry his team a certain extent like that 16-point 4th quarter vs. 2013 Spurs or in 2016 Finals vs. GSW but he just isn't built to carry that much load. He had to get bailed out by Ray Allen and Bosh in 2013 (after missing a 3) and Kyrie had to step up and hit one of the most clutch 3's in nba history. Note that neither teams in game 7 in Oracle could score a single point for 3 minutes straight.

[@nukeboy4939]

I would argue that he could've been more of a offense force but the Jazz system held him back. He was a great efficient shooter and free throw shooter.

[@williamkoscielniak820]

Exactly. Rusty states that his assist numbers are inflated because of the system he played in, but for some reason he fails to mention that that same system potentially hurt his scoring numbers. Of course, stating that the same system both hurt and helped his stats would go against his narrative, so of course he never brought that up.

[@thorgod0824]

No I usually love your videos but this is just wrong Isaiah Thomas said how great he was and everyone he played against said amazing things about his offensive playmaking. Maybe instead look at him and Malone lifting each other up this ain’t it chief

[@aidanklobuchar1798]

And yet, Zeke always CRUSHED his ass when they went against each other. So take that for what it's worth.

[@danielpark6068]

Reggie Miller should be the topic of this video

[@chidori5048]

Daniel Park legend of winning already did one about him

[@ddavis8988]

Nobody said he wasn't great. He's just overrated. Many people say hes better than Magic and Isiah which is asinine. While his play style is efficient, it didnt lead to winning championships. I believe they had a 7 year stretch where 6 of those years they got knocked out the playoffs by the Rockets or Bulls. 1 year in those 7 where they got knocked out by the Sonics. John and Malone for most the most part came up light in the clutch.

[@thorgod0824]

Negusis 85 I agree he isn’t better than magic or Isaiah this video acts like he was an average pg in a great system which is dead wrong and it didn’t even address his steals. The reason they didn’t win was because of other amazing teams such as the bulls and rockets seeing as they made the playoffs every year

[@Terror832]

Is it just me or is John Stockton a legit 6’1’? They list him at 5’10” on the 1992 Dream Team.

[@skywalker2676]

thelegendsqb1 link? Is he really

[@Terror832]

Killmonger 26 this is the link I found www.kanyetothe.com/forum/index.php?topic=551264.0 It may not be accurate but I thinks he’s about 6’0’. Nothing more, nothing less. His coach Jerry Sloan (a listed 6’5’) towers over him in many photos.

[@whatever_it_takes6691]

He said in an interview that he dunked his rookie year.

[@cameroncampbell1638]

Rusty: *Calls Stockton overrated* T-Mac: *Exists*

[@abc1234567a1]

T-Mac and Stockton are both underrated on average. It doesn’t matter what we as fans say the people who actually have a relevant voice are their peers and their peers have spoken many times about both of these legendary players.

[@ishmaelm1932]

If you think TMAC is overrated then you really don't know much about NBA. The man I underrated because of his damn injuries. He was at one point, a lot better than Kobe. Listen to many players who played against him, they say he had a crazy ass jumper. He jumps so high and is tall as hell, with a huge ass wingspan. This is why many players had trouble guarding him

[@ichigo449]

@@ishmaelm1932 His playoff numbers are beyond pathetic. How do you get into the Hall of Fame of a sport but consistently choke in the playoffs? He didn't innovate the game either. Just was electric in the regular season for a few years. Do you really just need 2 scoring titles to get in the Hall of Fame? Baseball is insanely strict but basketball is a joke

[@ichigo449]

@@ishmaelm1932 I don't understand this argument. So if you remove the barriers to success that happened in his career he's suddenly way better? He had a small span of elite play and significantly longer period of mediocre to bad play. What's next? Jeremy Lin is elite all time because of Linsanity?

[@ishmaelm1932]

@@ichigo449 But linsanity was just a few games. TMAC has been achieving so much from 1999-2008 when injuries finally took him down. He was an 8 time all-star he had 8 seasons that were amazing and rivaled Kobe. So idk how he is overrated? Those barriers hindered his success. Same with penny hardaway. This man was way better than Kobe in his prime. Kobe was fortunate to not end up like them.

[@oldmanwaterfall]

So Stockton was a good passer in an almost perfect situation. Wouldn't that mean Frank Layden and Karl Malone are predominantly responsible for him being the all time assist leader. Could you switch Stockton with another extremely durable passer able to make easy assists and they'd have nearly 6k more than Magic Johnson?

[@evanstensland611]

Matthew Jones lOl hard to argue with that

[@whatever_it_takes6691]

And that's not even mentioning that he is the all time leader in steals which has nearly zero to do with Malone.

[@bigfootNPC]

No, as Charles Barkley has said, any PF dreams of having someone like John Stockton at PG. Stockton made Karl Malone better. Even Jason Kidd and Steve Nash called him the best PG of all time

[@qmb3115]

@SunamiKilla FACTS WITHOUT MALONE HES NUN ION CARE

[@Anthonydu01630]

Magic only played 13 season, stockton 20. Magic didnt have Kareem in his prime he was already 30+, stockton had a prime Malone ... So yeah im sure if Magic played with malone for 20 season he would have more assists

[@mletrout7942]

You missed this one, man. Some truths are hard to find, some get buried forever, but this is one of those self-evident kind; Stockton could flat out play.

[@LilChi423]

And the next episode: Magic wouldn’t be seen as a generational playmaker if it weren’t for the system and teammates

[@ifwe4779]

this is a stupid take for multiple reasons, 1. There’s no source data that points to other players having increased assists/steal averages proceeding or after the career of magic, under his coach’s system. 2. There is source data that shows the pg before John Stockton, Rickey Green did have inflated numbers in Utah that dipped before/after his time in Utah. 3. Also Pat Riley’s style of offense was much different than Frank Laytons slow pass first pick and roll offense, so the comparison off rip is flawed.

[@pluto545]

There's also Rusty Bucket video which pretty much argues that Magic is still top 3 player ever. Still an exceptional playmaker.

[@carlingram8316]

Ricky Green jumped his assist totals to 8 a game. Stockton was averaging around 14. There have only been 9 times a player got over 1000 assist in a season. Stockton has 7 of those. For reference, Magic doesn't even have 1. You telling me that's because of the system?

[@nunogomes4149]

@@carlingram8316 Yes. Watch a fucking basketball game. A big number does not mean a player is good at one thing. Look at the ammount of entry passes into the post and basic fuckin passes to wide open players off screens. Watch a basketball game I'm fucking begging you. ESPECIALLY Stockton's high assist games like his 28 against ths Spurs. This is not an all time passer, this is a good player doing what he's told by passing it to his teammates. Stockton's assists basically depended on how reliable his teammates were on any night, because more than half the time, the shot is tougher than the pass. He just so happened to be passing to a top 5 post scorer of all time.

[@nunogomes4149]

@@carlingram8316 After you're done doing that watch Magic Johnson play basketball, and I don't mean look at his wacky behind the backs and flashy highlights. Just watch him play basketball and try to tell me Stockton is better because he got more assists. Because Magic lead his team to 9 finals in 13 years. John Stockton Watched Karl Malone lead the Jazz to 2 in damn near 2 decades

[@lakersyoungcoreareaveragep1639]

John Stockton underrated. Would've won rings if Jordan didn't exist

[@qmb3115]

He had a chance to Jordan retired for 2 years LMFAO

[@sekizo1728]

@@qmb3115 mr nearly quadruple double Hakeem would like a word

[@qmb3115]

@@sekizo1728 ok but don't just say one player when In reality it wasn't just one person

[@kingad8869]

@@sekizo1728 So Hakeem> Malone+Stockton? If that's true, he's clearly overrated.

[@leos_27]

Stockton suffered with some injuries in the playoffs and KM choked some FT

[@ocampbelltx]

First time hearing somebody say JS overrated wooooow

[@pranavsattiraju]

its a lot more common than u think

[@ocampbelltx]

Gary Payton a DPOY PG said Stockton was his toughest opponent at the PG position

[@rossman3388]

octaviustxmade so?

[@ocampbelltx]

EBIC Gaymer ????

[@ocampbelltx]

Hes not overrated to me

[@ReservoirPunk]

You taking a huge L with this one Stockton is one of the greatest point guards of all time.

[@nbastalgiacritic1751]

Ur an idiot

[@godlymanners1258]

Dumbass

[@briangates1234]

He is. But too many folks have him as arguably the best guard which is false. He was no slouch tho.

[@nbastalgiacritic1751]

Brian Gates put him in this era and he’d be a better tj mcconnel.

[@briangates1234]

snatch sniffer lmao that’s disrespectful but I see where ur coming from

[@JohnJoe131]

90% of these arguments are actually valid for James Harden as well. I'll just say that much.

[@benxenos9875]

Lol I was thinking that 😂

[@manz7860]

Rusty got some dumb fuckin opinions ngl

[@randomrocketsfan3298]

as a Rockets fan I agree with you 100%

[@12Khiry]

Way more talent, his best years are historic while Johns are ehh

[@shawswervoo]

Facts lmaooo

[@RobertCovingtonBurnerAccount]

Bruh his defence was amazing he was a standout passer even without Malone yes he would have only averaged like 9 assists but if they sucked then they had to have gotten a hidden gem somehow

[@joshualee9540]

I mean, I feel like guard's defensive contributions are kinda overrated, so though he is a good defensive player, he doesn't provide a level of impact that would make his defense more impactful than guys like Malone, for example.

[@RobertCovingtonBurnerAccount]

Joshua Lee that’s because there fucking massive and can block anyone 5 inches smaller then them, Centers hardly block C and PF only really guards

[@33_milly93]

@@joshualee9540 was Malone not a terrible defender?

[@joshualee9540]

@@33_milly93 did I say Malone was a terrible defender?

[@joshualee9540]

@@RobertCovingtonBurnerAccount And because he's taller, and because paint defense was more valuable back then, would you agree with the statement that big-men were more valuable defenders than guards? If so, you shouldn't have made a big deal with what I said.

[@Isaiah_McIntosh]

Watch your back rusty......

[@codyjohns6525]

This dude played 20 years most likely will have the assist and steals record forever or atleast for a long time and he dude didnt even have a left hand....this guy is probably underrated

[@josuerojas4157]

Got you with the like! Love ur vids man keep up the good work 👏🏽

[@exiledknight3961]

Nope I dont agree, your good youtuber, but your arguments for him being overrated are weak at best.

[@wolfgangfegelein2450]

A big problem with this video is confirmation bias. He admitted he always saw Stockton as overrated. So he went into his research wanting to prove that instead of looking at things objectively and it shows.

[@exiledknight3961]

@@wolfgangfegelein2450 Yes u nailed it on the head. You can tell by his comment the he thinks passing is the most overrated stat and his belief anybody could pass 14 assists per game in the proper system.

[@exiledknight3961]

@SunamiKilla What are you talking about u there was 3 games where they didnt play together ?

[@mkratos17]

It's almost like the Utah jazz were playing 2k with injuries turned off 😂

[@shavbobster33]

A few points to consider. 1. Adrian Dantley was traded not because Frank Layden wanted Stockton to be an assist king. Adrian Dantley was traded because he was trying to teach Karl Malone not to put in a full effort in every game that was played. And to only go full in on the most important games in the Reg Season. 2 The system of the Jazz was to create assists to who ever was the main passer may be accurate until you consider that every team had a main passer on other teams. That was how the game was played back then. They give their main point guard the responsibility of setting up the offensive play. Much like QBs in the NFL you generally have one guy in charge of setting up the play. So according to logic it`s like saying Tom Brady is not the goat because passing is easier than catching and scoring in the NFL. 3. To say that Karl inflated John`s assists. And then you show that John assists were not impacted on the few games that John played without Karl. That should be forth telling that if John needed Malone so much to inflate his assists so much. Then it would show that John`s assists would have been way down on those games. 4. When you say John`s assists were made by easy passes is a half truth. When something seems easy the trick is to make it look that way. Many of John`s assists came from basic passes but the timing and the accuracy of John`s were always on point. John was a master of knowing of where everyone was on the court at all times. But he also knew what everyone was doing at all times. Many players that played with John said that the one thing that they learned was to always keep their hands up and be ready for the pass to come their way. Because John would see them open even when they did not know that they were that open. The question that I would counter you argument is what would you rather have as a passer. One who makes the easier pass or the one who makes the showboat pass when both accounts for the same credentials? 5. Finally when it comes to John Stockton I currently rank him as 3rd all time. I have Magic Johnson 1 and Oscar Robertson 2. Isiah Thomas and John are cutting it razor thin. It depends on what you value more. An ultimate play maker that can run any play to as close to perfection as possible in John Stockton? Or a play much like Magic that can impact the game at all levels and can switch between anything in a blink of an eye in Isiah Thomas. Magic get the all time based on he could possibly guard and play 1 through 5. And can go from being a play maker to scorer seamlessly. The Big O was a stat stuffer and unfortunately I never saw him play. But hearing the stories that not only did Oscar average a triple double those triple doubles lead his team to winning a title for the Bucks in there expansion year. Also so when MJ was young in his career the legends compares Michael to a more athletic version of Oscar.

[@fakeemmcee]

A lot of people seem to consider the “likeability factor” in whether or not a player actually warranted the hype.

[@NotHighEnough1]

this would be fine if u didnt have multiple all nba players whove played against him who confirm that he was a next level talent.

[@TUFT149]

I take umbrage with a few of your points here. First, being a good *passer* does not make somebody a good *playmaker*, and good passing doesn't always correlate to making lots of assists. Donovan Mitchell can hit flashier passes than anyone else on the Jazz, from insane one-handed cross-court passes to behind-the-back no-lookers, but he averages way fewer assists per 36 than Joe Ingles, who mainly gets his assists through the pick-and-roll. That's because although Joe is not as gifted as a passer, he always throws whatever the best pass at the time is. Sure, it's not going to be as flashy as something like a cross-court touch pass, but there's a reason why the Ingles passfake is such an incredibly dangerous play for a guy who's so damn slow-footed. He always makes the correct read when determining whether or not he wants to lay it up or lob to Gobert. Being a good decisionmaker is much more important than being a good passer in generating quality looks at the basket, and John Stockton was probably the best pick-and-roll ballhandler ever. You said it yourself - his bread and butter is the same Stockton - Malone pick-and-roll almost every time down the floor, the reason it was so deadly was not just that Malone was a good scorer, or else other teams would be able to play the passing lanes and snipe the ball as soon as it left Stockton's hands. And in spite of the fact that he holds a commanding lead for all-time assists, he ranks only in all time turnovers. That means that he moves the ball to someone not named Malone when the play is closed off, or he lays the ball in, or shoots it himself. He makes the right pass every time. Stockton doesn't go for the super flashy passes, he just makes stable, consistent, and fundamentally correct reads, even under immense amounts of pressure.

[@xr8dmoose135]

Aight Mike Korzemba, Da fuq did i just waste 15 minutes on 😂

[@fatfuck2384]

The truth

[@pranavsattiraju]

he didnt lie tho

[@benxenos9875]

Right this is super dumb

[@Isaac-mk3wj]

Ryan Williams steph curry in Steve kerr’s system did NOT inflate his stats.. He played 30 min a night. He played within the offense and put up 30 a game. That’s why he was considered so good that season. If anything Kerr’s system takes away from individual greatness because of how much ball movement is promoted. I agree w your point tho

[@simple45679]

@Ryan Williams Actually, Steph Curry's numbers are lower because he played in a get open and shoot system. The man was the best playmaker in 2016 averaging 6.7 assists. Imagine 2016 curry in Mike D'antoni's system. But yes, Harden's stats are inflated and empty. Look at them winning all these games when Russell is playing great.

[@nzchrisvaughan]

There are so many basketball fans out there that just don't understand the game of basketball. It isn't all about stats, even though Stocktons are very impressive. Stockton would do whatever it took to win games, often being the smallest guy on the court but having the most impact on the defensive end, and was often the best shooter on the team but understood how to play the team game. Just because he didn't win an MVP, or go for triple-doubles, doesn't mean he's not in the conversation for one of the Top 5 point guards of all time.

[@sydguitar99]

Can't you say any great player is overrated then bc of the system they're in? That's like saying MJ is overrated bc he was in the triangle offense with Pippen which helped him 6 rings.

[@legendarywiimaster]

Because Jordan was great before that triangle offense. Won DPOY in 1988, was also MVP that year.

[@josh-tt4fq]

I appreciate the normal content amid this craziness👏👏👏

[@brendanbutterfield9266]

This dude is just proving he doesn’t know hoops

[@nigbot1298]

All he did was benefit from playing with Malone, don’t downplay The dudes game he gave everything to his team.. don’t listen to this idiot just because he has a platform

[@JohnnyBGood11]

@Cledas Dinkle Berray nah he not another pussyfart yeah you Dinkus

[@carlingram8316]

What is he right about?

[@Czulkang]

I have never posted on your videos before, but I watch everything you put out and love your videos and points man. . I miss that Timberwolves GM series!

[@xSKYKILLAx]

if you do a ton of research just to prove someone is overrated, it kind of comes of as if you were looking for reasons to say he was overrated. look at his career for what it is. hes the all time assists and steals leader, and would have won a chip if jordan's bulls didn't dominate the 90s (just like barkley, ewing and others didnt win a chip) amazing passer, decent defender who got lots of steals, and he was an efficient scorer. didn't shoot any more than he needed to. this seems like its something personal against stockton. i can probably come up with 10 other players that didn't win chips that would qualify as being more overrated. many of them currently play in the league.

[@giantl9196]

Assists in general are an overrated Stat because most of the assists come from ball dominating and easy passes

[@donaldhutchison4652]

Fax

[@BePatientSeeLove]

@@donaldhutchison4652 he's criticizing John for being durable but gives bron credit for being durable😐

[@donaldhutchison4652]

Donzel Hawkins I’ll give you that. In my honest opinion I think Bron is overrated

[@simple45679]

@@donaldhutchison4652 This. Lebron gets AD as a teammate and suddenly has career-high assist average. "Best point guard in the NBA at 35" bruh.

[@falzaranofilippo2009]

points are overrated, they usually come from shots and easy layup

[@ARealPerson21]

You can’t say someone doesn’t deserve to be on top of an all time list they are obviously there for a reason

[@TheLeftie600]

But Stockton isn’t overrated, no one rates him as the best point guard ever but everyone acknowledges that he was a very good traditional point guard. There’s a video of Payton explaining what made Stockton a good player, Payton rated him as the hardest player he had to defend.

[@Jose-st3fq]

“I’m not scared of the mormon church at all”😂😂

[@Marsell_B.A.N.E.]

The dissrespect is real...

[@TheAwesomeninjaBrian]

if u think stockton overrated then nash overrated because their systems mad them better

[@Isaac-mk3wj]

Nash is overrated tho lmao

[@shermanngjazz]

@@Isaac-mk3wj Kobe should've won the 2006 MVP because he basically carried a bunch of scrubs (guys like Smush Parker and Kwame Brown) to the playoffs.

[@Isaac-mk3wj]

Sherman Ng agreed, but I think that year Shaq lost to Nash was more of a robbery.

[@dashrunner2.014]

Please don't disrespect Steve nash for having back to back mvps

[@Isaac-mk3wj]

Jeffrey Moise he didn’t deserve one of them tho. Just like how steph curry didn’t deserve his first, harden did.

[@CARSINSHORT1984]

I love how he’s putting this all on the duo but in one of the games he played on his own he still managed to get 20 assists... so it’s not the duo then is it.

[@thesaint5381]

Will an assist be only significant if it is from a flashy pass? The most important thing is to deliver the pass to your scorer no matter if it is behind the back elbow pass or just a simple hand off.

[@caseyhinton2203]

The problem with this video is that nothing can or should be taken away from this man's greatness as a basketball player. Every great player in NBA history is a product of the system that they played in. Some of the greatest players to ever lace up their shoes will say the systems that they played in allowed them to be the players that they ultimately became. Outside of all of that though you have to have the talent to perform each and every night which this man did. This man is the all-time leader in assists and steals and is probably one of the most durable players in NBA history. If anyone deserves the overrated claim it's not John Stockton.

[@facilitech3525]

Idk what he tries to prove with this take

[@caseyhinton2203]

@@facilitech3525 I don't either man but to be honest I've came across a lot of KZbin analyst, and a lot of them aren't true historians of the game.

[@facilitech3525]

@@caseyhinton2203 Yeah or they have not read books about statistics

[@creativeusername1129]

Dude went to work everyday for 16 years, kryrie Irving would never.

[@scoringmachine4694]

Kyrie is way better than that scrub

[@DanteRaddd]

relevant now

[@eyeconqueror1185]

@@scoringmachine4694 lol not even close. You must be 15.

[@scoringmachine4694]

@@eyeconqueror1185 drugs are bad for you

[@wtfyt2ace1]

Dude where have you been? I haven't seen anything from you all year. I thought i was actually im pretty sure i was subscribed

[@21bkier]

This is like saying Harden isn't a good scorer it's just his system

[@raybourgeois3192]

Rusty: whispers corona to avoid demonetization Also rusty: “Wash your fucking hands”

[@Jasonwilliams21]

Also with the logic of this video Anthony Davis is the front runner for MVP

[@rustybuckets]

huh?

[@BePatientSeeLove]

@@rustybuckets he saying basically what u saying is assist don't matter

[@BePatientSeeLove]

@@rustybuckets so lebron's assist really dont matter which is pretty bad take

[@BePatientSeeLove]

@@rustybuckets idk rusty i never considered him the greatest anything lol

[@bigfootNPC]

“This video took so much research.” Yeah because your point is untrue. Jason Kidd and Steve Nash both called him the best point guard of all time. Gary Payton called him harder to guard than Michael Jordan. Countless NBA starters call him one of the toughest players they EVER played against. No way in hell Stockton is overrated, if anything he is way underrated

[@jfearless3420]

Great video!

[@brandonenglish5809]

great passing is also being able to pass it no matter how good denying there is

[@petercook9348]

First of all, I love your videos. I also agree with some points, like he did not have to make many tricky passes and the system is what helped him get more assists. On the flip side, he was an elite defender and the system did not create that or his steals total. Based on these premises Scotty Pippen then must be hugely overrated. He benefited clearly from the Triangle offense and playing with the a guy who most people believe is the GOAT. I find many things to do these to be comparable. I think there has been many more impactful point guards in NBA history, but Stockton would still have to be at least top 5-10

[@squilliamfancyson6996]

You know it’s a good video when you agree without even clicking on it

[@jorgenrexolson6451]

To me, the points you make are not necessarily inaccurate as observations, but the conclusion you’re drawing from those points doesn’t necessarily follow. You say that Karl Malone provided him with an assist factory, and that Malone was clearly very talented independent of Stockton’s influence. But those things don’t necessarily detract from Stockton. I think, perhaps more than anything, Stockton was an intelligent player, and part of intelligence is adapting in some sense to circumstances. Stockton obviously recognized Malone’s capabilities and so he fed him the ball and did what he could to improve Malone’s game. Stockton was obviously a very capable shooter; his career FG% is above 50%, and his career 3PT% was near 38%. As you mentioned, he was a more dominant scorer in college. In my view, you can just as easily conclude that his ability to adapt his game and be more of a facilitator attests to his overall high talent level. Talent isn’t just about the ability to do one thing, but to learn new things. He adjusted his game once he realized the potential of Malone. Also, saying that Malone was independently talented doesn’t really speak against Stockton’s individual talent. Lots of talented players have played with other talented players. I think it’s clear that these two had good chemistry because of Stockton’s willingness and ability to adapt his game, but they both would’ve been successful in other contexts. The fact that they never won a championship obviously is seen as evidence of their lack of greatness. But you have to remember the competition they faced too.

[@Professional_Dirtbag_Hippie]

I feel the late 90s Jazz is a team that was greater than the sum of its parts

[@ambitionzazaridah4363]

All time leader in assists and steals and he overrated? Love your channel bro but gotta give you a Big *L* here. He wasn't flashy but got job done.

[@rustybuckets]

context context context

[@ambitionzazaridah4363]

@@rustybuckets in that case you could say Karl is overrated since he played all but 1 year of his career without Stockton

[@ambitionzazaridah4363]

@@rustybuckets i will give you credit for at least keeping us entertained now that ain't no more basketball to watch

[@joshualee9540]

Idk, just watch the video first

[@justusdenaro]

@@ambitionzazaridah4363 Karl #1 in turnovers ever, choked in big moments and also got most of his points from those assists. Karl is more overrated than John 💯

[@GusCaravalho]

Criticizing Stockton for “never winning anything” and then looking approvingly at Nash and Kidd...don’t know if that holds up.

[@jasonb2194]

your argument for malone not needing stockton could be said for stockton not needing malone since he averaged 14 assists without him the same way malone averaged 20 without stockton

[@JohnnyBGood11]

Karl Malone would not have scored as many points he did without John Stockton

[@Splackavellie85]

While you make some good points, I fee you’re leaning a lot into underrating Stockton and discrediting his longevity and consistency. Then again,. I have seen people argue that Stockton is a better point guard than prime CP3 and that is just ludicrous

[@randomrocketsfan3298]

CP3 is my favorite player ever so this might be a bit biased but CP3 is better at literally everything than John Stockton

[@MegaKhalid121]

Ben Brown pretty much. Only argument one could make is defense and i’d still give the edge to CP

[@greekyoungbuck]

@@randomrocketsfan3298 playmaking Stockton is better

[@randomrocketsfan3298]

@@greekyoungbuck playmaking isn't just about passing the ball, it's about creating shots for yourself and your teammates. CP3 does both of those things at a very high level, Stockton does them at a high level too, but I'd rather let CP3 facilitate an offense

[@greekyoungbuck]

@@randomrocketsfan3298 ok

[@Amm17ar]

I mean Malone wouldn't have been the player he was without Stockton....There weren't a lot of point guards who could make those finds, run an offense that well and he was a really good defender... These what-ifs really serve no purpose in my opinion.

[@lunchbox7337ify]

I'd agree with you if people thought of Stockton as being on the Mt. Rushmore of NBA greats but he's never mentioned in that class. For what the Jazz expected him to do (defend, set teammates up, knock down open shots) he played his role the best anybody could have to an absolute T. But saying he's overrated implies people rate him too high in general and I don't see much of that.

[@mikerivera373]

Damn, I know it’s the Jazz’s fault for the league shutting down, but you didn’t have to go in on them like this

[@kskyesmith245]

Stockton is also the all time leader in steals btw

[@networktechnician5804]

- Assists Leaders: 1. John Stockton (15,806) | 3. Jason Kidd (12,091) | 3. Steve Nash (10,335) - Steals Leaders: 1. John Stockton (3,265) | 2. Jason Kidd (2,684) | 3. Michael Jordan (2,514) - Career Highs: Assists (28) | Steal (9) | Minutes played (53) - Third Season: 20,9 Points (57% FG) - Whole NBA 19 years career at one franchise team (loyality) and every season in Playoffs - What thinks NBA players about Stockton: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnOXnYygpal_j80

[@philliprhinehardt6268]

Excellent video Rusty.

[@HaveFunLosingBro]

Peak for peak CP3 is better than Stockton & it isn't close. Better defender, better 3 point shooter, better midrange shooter, better playmaker, higher basketball IQ, etc.

[@swpdisciple]

Well, CP3 is basically a modern day Isiah Thomas so that would make sense. He’s not a better 3 point shooter though. Defense is probably a push. I’m fine with CP3 being perceived as better but then again, in their own time, it’s debatable that the original IT was perceived as better than Stockton (which sounds funny to say). People forget they’re about the same age. In things like this and NBA Storyteller’s vid, I’m much more interested in why people dislike Stockton instead of the evidence. Especially when he and Malone barely played games apart and when that happened Malone was like 13 years in the league. I get what he was trying to do...anchor Malone in the argument to see who needed who but look at Nash/Stoudamire...same situation. Stoudamire was in the running for MVP that first year with the Knicks in 2010 (Raymond Felton was like a borderline all star) his numbers were the same except the shooting percentage was like 50% instead of the 55% with Nash but that was because of lost athleticism with his knees. Historically big men just do what they do. That’s why they should be on separate lists all-time. I think a better way to look at Stockton is how did he perform in the clutch and against other top level guards.

[@Terror832]

One of the knocks about Stockton is that he lacked a “second gear”. I mean he was never a natural scorer and so when the Jazz needed him the most it’s usually dump it off to Malone and hope he makes it. It’s why Malone always get the blame for their shortcomings. Chris Paul has had plenty of moments where he can single handedly will a team to victory.

[@HaveFunLosingBro]

@@swpdisciple Defense isn't a push, CP3 has 7 1st team all-defense appearances Stockton has 0. CP3 lead the league in steals 6 times compared to Stocktons 2. CP3 was 1st team all-nba 4 times compared to Stocktons 2. CP3 had a higher peak than Stockton.

[@HaveFunLosingBro]

@@swpdisciple Stockton also never cracked the top 7 in MVP voting. CP3 has been top 3 in MVP voting & has on multiple occasions been top 7.

[@swpdisciple]

Dean simmons I said I’m fine with CP3 being better than Stockton. Leading the league in assists and steals is arbitrary. Stockton has much better numbers in both and higher offensive efficiencies.

[@texstout]

stocktons underrated look at his stats

[@mekacrab]

People are heated in the comments, but it's hard to deny that Stockton didn't "farm" assists with the help of Malone. This is a big reason of why he's the assist leader, and him being the assist leader is one of the main reason why some people mention him and put him on some lists. You are allowed to get assists this way, no doubt, but a lot of you are in denial and think he's the best playmaker in the history of the NBA.

[@0DIE__]

Do a video on how great player that play in another positions Have like a top ten like 10. Blank and at the blank

[@benxenos9875]

There is so much hate and slander in this video man 😂 S'all good tho, you're still pretty cool

[@xylynthian753]

These replies are gonna be good. I can't wait.

[@juggerknaut3962]

Making tough or flashy passes doesnt make you a better passer just riskier!

[@towlie710]

Rusty buckets: Stockton is overrated. Players who played against him that claim Stockton is underrated: Magic, Kidd, Webber, Payton, Barkley Yeah, okay Buckets boy!

[@alpheriefruin9647]

Your way too young to pass judgment. He played in a super tough league

[@GetDaDrawsDawg]

Right when you said the nba steals and assists records should have been the end of the video with a summary of John Stockton in "my" opinion isn't the best but damn good. I mean how the hell you get a defensive record and offensive record. You most likely ain't getting a ring in the MJ era. But at least he got a gold medal. Hell even in the Dream Team documentary ppl thought he was a average joe. But in the end you don't join the dream team if your just "average" This is the opposite of the Tim Duncan video(and TD is my 2nd fav player of all time). I won't dislike the video cause I know you did your research but I disagree with your opinion right from the start of the stats.

[@--aj4400]

Who hates on Tim and the spurs? Nobody. Spurs are the definition of system players. Nobody hates on them. You cant say Stockton is overrated because of that. Yes he wasnt the flashiest passer but you showed the most boring assists ever, and other great pgs have assists like that. Why he didnt win? Because of Jordan. And why is durability and playing for two decades is a problem? Why does that make someone overrated?