Prop 16: California voters reject affirmative action ballot measure

[@029132]

Had this passed it would have literally been systematic racism. Good job Californians.

[@BRZno86]

It's Democrats an their supporters.

[@lStranger]

R Salinas Thanks, I voted against it. I'm also leaving California soon though

[@thetrailer5050]

@@BRZno86 I am a democrat but voted against prop 16

[@Misaka-gt5yj]

@@thetrailer5050 He meant the Democrats who hold office in California. Almost every single one of them supported prop 16. Don't even get me started on their decision with S.Amdt 1456

[@NoleCO10]

One thing Cali did right

[@davidfreeman3083]

Well it's the people. Obviously this time the top politicians are (at least trying to) do it wrong, AGAIN.

[@anontill5302]

44% said yes? WTF?

[@truedarkness4052]

A large amount of the population benefits from this, mainly black and latino people. They make up a lot of the yes voters

[@anontill5302]

@@truedarkness4052 Got it. Makes sense. So it's a Dem state? They are similar to Australia's and UK's Labour party.

[@bigdawg111]

Dumb people

[@leoliu5017]

@@truedarkness4052 If the population benefits from this are large enough, this proposition could be a legal systematic discrimination, right?

[@benoto1014]

It’ll pass eventually they’ll just keep bringing it back

[@leol6297]

Your university, your job should be won by hard work, not your color.

[@lynnnoyes6398]

Many jobs have been denied to people because of their color. Are you okay with that?

[@leol6297]

@@lynnnoyes6398 Because the colors of A and B are different. Student A can go to UCLA with 70 points. But Student B needs 100 points. Do you okay with it?

[@lynnnoyes6398]

@@leol6297 No. But I'm also not okay with disadvantaged groups having to compete for admission against advantaged groups without some kind of balance. The disadvantaged students are far more likely to need help, especially at the beginning of their careers. If you know about an effective, fair, feasible solution to a complex and decades-long problem, do let us know.

[@HelloMoto1991]

@@lynnnoyes6398 you deal with those employers and universities individually. You don’t create a law that would make it okay to discriminate against those who are not colored. That doesn’t fix the root problem at all, just creates resentment and more divide. Are you okay with that?

[@HelloMoto1991]

@@lynnnoyes6398 no the balance would be if that non-white student wants to get in, they have to work hard and study like everyone else and that is equal.

[@HelloMoto1991]

Awesome. This proposition is racists along with those who would even support such a ridiculous thing. Sometimes California can get things right, at least it’s citizens can.

[@Chris-be3pi]

Affirmative action is racist, sexist, etc just based on its context. Affirmative action treats people different based on race, gender, etc.

[@lynnnoyes6398]

And we should eliminate affirmative action AFTER we eliminate the many horrible ways that our culture treats people differently based on race, gender, etc.

[@aliju4837]

I think if they really want to help disadvantaged students then the evaluation criteria shouldn't be race/ethnicity it should be more so socioeconomic. I know plenty of disadvantaged Asian students who performed well but are subjected to the same discrimination because of their race which is counterproductive.

[@xcqematic1]

@@lynnnoyes6398 your comparing the individual treatment of race and gender with governmental discrimination. So if you get robbed by a criminal, your neighbor is required to pay for the damages? Give me one actually evidence that the government is discriminating Blacks and Latinos in a systematic way. As far as I know, they get treated better with Affirmative Action that gives them 300/1600 point advantage over Asians in college admission.

[@lynnnoyes6398]

@@aliju4837 I was not aware of that. I thought that the socioeconomic issue was the main part of affirmative action. I completely agree that race alone is a mistaken criteria. It's a complex problem with no simple solution. How could we help compensate for discrimination in a person's youth and yet not disadvantage another person?

[@lynnnoyes6398]

@@xcqematic1 I did not mention the government--you did. Universities are not ruling bodies of the government and are not entirely supported by public money. As for the government discriminating, throughout our history it has done little else. For example, it treated Asian groups, especially Japanese citizens, horrifically. Minorities have consistently been victims of voter suppression and extreme gerrymandering, which is still going on. As for your criminal comparison, why are you using that as an example of students who get special treatment through affirmative action? Do you consider them criminals? Your whole analogy is silly and has nothing to do with affirmative action. I don't think affirmative action is ideal, but we are dealing with decades of denying certain groups equal opportunities. If we help member of those groups get a higher education, then they displace other people. It's not fair, but I cannot think of any solution that would be.

[@tencorgmail4075]

This is not a controversial issue in the United States: If affirmative action has only 43% support in California, it probably has somewhere in the ballpark of 30% support nationwide. This is basically reverse discrimination, and it does nothing to address the roots of education inequality and it in a way just encourages it.

[@everettduncan7543]

Affirmative action used to mean something totally different until it was hijacked. LBJ intended it to be an employment system unencumbered by race, gender, or national origin

[@lc9245]

It's not reversed, it is discrimination.

[@alicestanley177]

Thank God!!

[@fionafairechild6272]

Amen

[@RandomGuy-qn2ub]

What is prop 16 in simple words?

[@RandomGuy-qn2ub]

@Desiree Amber Rivera not skill or competence? That’s ridiculous. What a joke.

[@RandomGuy-qn2ub]

It’s already like this from what i have heard

[@HelloMoto1991]

@@RandomGuy-qn2ub skill and competence are antiquated concepts. Unfortunately I think that a lot of businesses that pride themselves on diversity (which is good, don’t get me wrong) also need to be careful they don’t put blinders on as being truly equal opportunity employers.

[@Gooch8181]

You can call it affirmative action all you want. It was going to allow open discrimination.

[@CoreyT127]

Harvard and other ivy league schools give blacks a three hundred point head start over asians on S.A.T. scores !

[@ricya1982]

Yale got taken down and was found GUILTY for racially discriminating against White and Asian applicants. Harvard is next.

[@YouAdii]

Why is this always a 'black' issue? This is also supporting Hispanics and Latinos and women getting in.

[@bigdawg111]

The one smart thing California voted for!!!!

[@markwillis2371]

don't need affirmative action

[@miasdaydream8292]

Good. People should be rewarded for their efforts, not their gender or race.

[@daviddong9916]

How about affirmative action in NBA?

[@90Outside]

I’m very glad it didn’t pass. As a Hispanic I wouldn’t want to be chosen just because I’m brown. That’s so stupid I’m glad I voted no on it. See some of us Californians have sense.

[@julius1787]

What party proposed such a stupid and racist proposition? What a waste of ink.

[@sagabeard]

What party do you think would lol

[@BRZno86]

The great old party of Jackson! The founder's of the kkk. The most projecting, lieing people in America. Haha. Seriously though. It was the Democrats. Lmao so much for the party of equality an tolerance. 😂

[@HelloMoto1991]

@@BRZno86 equality in their eye means they will tolerate you if you think like them.

[@619luv98]

Almost 100% Democrats with two independents. Two major supporters were Gavin Newsom and Kamala Harris

[@joatmon6132]

This was a return to discrimination. The public school system in this state has failed the poor, not just minorities, and that is the root. Fix the root, give school choice and charter schools for a start.

[@gpaje]

Thank you Ward Connerly for having sense to see this is discrimination on it's own, choosing one group over another because of race. The proponents of this never mention Asians when they talk about this because they know its proof against the narrative they have.

[@ssenmodnar140]

Prop 16 in a nutshell: Yes- End racism, because saying no is racist! *vOTe YeS oN PrOp 16!* No- End racism, because saying yes is racist! *VoTe nO On pRoP16!* wut.

[@Mojave4ever]

Well, someone made a boatload of money via "contributions" to their effort to legalize discrimination on the basis of skin color.

[@Sho-np2qz]

Good job people

[@mrgreenjeans1794]

Old school liberal here. John Rawls wrote eloquently about the need to address social inequality with "blinders on" to race, creed, gender, orientation. His fear, group identity, demands for equal outcomes, the hysteria and discord it would create as we de-evolved into tribes would ensure our failure at helping those in need. His call for a common good approach has been discarded and in it place groups arose making demands, seat at the table and entitlement empowered by their moral supremacy, entrenched in their hatred for those deemed privileged and devoted in their blind ideology of helping themselves at expense of the common good which they deride as vestiges of the old white patriachy ruling class. Affirmative action has mutated from a progressive ideal into a treasured entitlement that for the common good should be dismantled. The virtues of a pluralistic diverse modern republic should not be coopted by petty petulance of an unrelenting sub culture that speaks of justice but acts in its own self interest.

[@jasonzhao4730]

Well done! Well done!

[@benoto1014]

Asian students would’ve been screwed lol they said.. nah

[@FirstLast-om8li]

Sounds like California just needs a lot more community colleges. An opportunity to go college is all we're talking about, *which* college SHOULD be solely based on academic performance.

[@kevinfun6630]

Oh no....now everyone has to work to get into their dream college. The horror.....

[@Yourbody_MYCHOICE]

GOOD! u should not get rewarded or punished because of skin color or if u r male or female

[@bigdawg111]

Why is diversity so important? China send to be doing ok... They don't seem too diverse.

[@giodeferrari]

Take the mask off...

[@LeBum6]

No

[@ladyofclassthomas4541]

Omg

[@rudisg72]

I thought Californians were all progressive 😳

[@90Outside]

Nope we actually have free thought

[@rn5598]

Lmao at the hypocrites here who hate affirmative action but love the electoral college. Which is electoral affirmative action for small town whites. I’m sure all the right wingers here want to go with the popular vote from now on in elections 😂😂😂

[@Rich.3938]

I down voted your comment

[@hiker0100]

I hate both affirmative action and the electoral college.