Properly Identifying a Backdoor Draw

[@CrushlivePoker]

Do we think that the caller got lucky here and should have run out of value?

[@Super69Beast]

yes the caller got lucky and yes he ran out of value because this opponent wasn't capable of thinking the bet was polarized and could have been a bluff

[@n8ball02]

Bart- At first glance it seems that way but breaking down the hand, I can get on board with the river shove. The villain is definitely not a thinking player with his call, but in a normal situation the original raiser cold calling the flop bet with 3 or 4 guys behind says he connected with the board very well. His hand is either made or he is drawing with a pair and a 5 (or straight draw). I think the 5 makes less sense as the bets start to grow as well.while I wouldn't take this route I can see merit to thinking the guy had a made hand already. Plus if you have a 5 in this situation and the guy shoves when hearts make it, its not a good feeling to try to call that. With all that being said, this is a perfect example of why people need to stop donk betting. It never seems to make sense to me. In this example if he checks the flop, the PFR is going to bet his 2 pair. Our hero can raise the flop and get a call. From that point, I would have him leaning dramatically toward made hand. Then the Hero can shove on the turn and its not an outrageous size. If the PFR bets $60, hero raises to $180. A call leaves $480 pot with 400 behind. Shove that $400 on the turn and not worry about the river at all. I honestly think this is a solid hand to show why donk betting is not the best strategy. What do you think?

[@jordananderson4710]

@@n8ball02 Yea with this many players in the pot, you need to check raise and shut it down pretty quickly I think.

[@n8ball02]

@@jordananderson4710 Yes sir. You check raise the flop and chase all the draws out and when he calls, you just jam the turn with about a pot sized bet left.

[@gregjohnson6793]

Yeah, he got lucky. About the ONLY hand that calls and he beats. To me, I'm ok with every street but I would check and evaluate the river. The SMALL possible value lost in the 76 that still CALLS - is not worth the risk. Check check is fine on a bad run out, where you didn't flop the nuts anyway. Hero could have been behind every street. I've seen the nut straight check back on run outs like this. So Check / call reasonable, check/fold vs a jam, given this player type.

[@Lolwtf816]

after playing online for a while and stared to play low stakes live again, esp at 1/2, 1/3, sometimes we just give our opponents too much credit

[@edifysalim5359]

exactly, and that cause you to miss lot of extra value

[@kzkilla808]

2 pair on this board by villain seems so out to left field. I would have expected V to reraise at least by the turn with how wet that board was unless he is of the most passive variety and then to call off when all the draws get there seems super fishy. Hero definitely lucked out to the max with this line.

[@jcw8955]

V can’t reraise a turn bet

[@kzkilla808]

Raise* (same logic)

[@teddyj5187]

He was calling the villain a donk but how bad is the callers range to get called on a wet board. I imagine he makes a lot of rash decisions and is not a winning player.

[@daveo1614]

Love your video's Bart

[@datsumcrzysht]

Bart trying his best not to crack up during that call...

[@joeshab123]

Anyway...

[@justinhart7172]

I would of check folded river Lolol

[@kemillionaire2]

Mike mattusow used to play his hand this way. Repping the straight or flush on the river because he doesn’t want to get bluffed on the river if he checks. Esfandiari criticised mike’s play. Saying he should check out of position if he’s afraid villain has a flush/straight and evaluate whether to call a river bet. What should be the optimal strategy here?? Being out of position sucks!!!

[@GodofDisco]

Dear caller- we don't give a fuck that there's plexi glass or whatever live your fucking life

[@burkhartlaw1]

I'll be honest. I probably check fold in this situation depending on the villain.

[@mattenderle1766]

All these NL hands! Do a LO8 breakdown!!!

[@escapejustificator9777]

Ask Dnegs for his nut-flush blocker.... how did you work out? LOL

[@rp18125]

wtf is going on at this table?

[@BigChris4327]

Donks lol

[@robbiemoore1077]

I thought the villain would show up with Ah5h......

[@bakaraymoo7389]

"And he tanked.........................." Bro you don't need to tank too just spit it tf out

[@leojoseph6385]

Caller got lucky despite not going AI on the turn.

[@sean_haz]

all in for 2x pot? you need a lot of bluffs to be using such a huge bet size and I don't think hero has them. I think people could find a fold with overpairs with that sizing (especially if they don't see you bluffing with the same 2x pot bet sometimes)

[@thaThRONe]

How tf do you call an all in for 370 on that board. What that much betting on each street.

[@brianmeeth1512]

Turned the set into a bluff and it was the winning hand 🤣🤣🤣

[@benconlon875]

don’t think he was bluffing mate

[@brianmeeth1512]

@@benconlon875 seemed like he tried to rep something else on the board since a set seemed weaker by the river

[@benconlon875]

@@brianmeeth1512 yeah he was at the lower end of value range but he’s tryna get called by 2 pairs not fold out straights haha

[@brycegillis3285]

Jamming on the turn is just 1000% the move

[@glaubs65]

He's loose passive but he's making preflop raises with 78? That's not loose passive.

[@imonlyheretoarguewithidiots]

Never try to get inside the mind of a fish. There's no logic, no consistency, and some just *like* raising pre. They watched a Rampage Poker vlog and now they raise every hand preflop but they have no bankroll and 0 postflop skills so they are weak passives from flop till river. Does it make sense? No! Does it pay my rent every month? Yeah!! 🤣

[@ElSkinsio]

Definitely going to start using the term "Bullshit raise" now.

[@MXDRE907]

Disant sound like loose passive to me. At least pre flop play anyways.

[@ThePdog3k]

Flopped a backdoor two pair/trip draw?

[@ThechessGuy2330]

So, a for-profit-player would call this an explotive value jam.

[@stevenjackson615]

I think he was playing against me 😎

[@stevenjackson615]

No not me 😂

[@justinhart7172]

If you shove turn your getting called anyways

[@alexh8613]

That would be betting $550 into a $270 pot. That would scare away way too many combinations. He flopped a set. He wants to get paid.

[@teddyj5187]

@@alexh8613 with straight and flush draws on board you make them pay to draw. Top set on a dry board a different story.

[@alexh8613]

@@teddyj5187 And if he were to bet $230 to $300, that would be protecting. $550 is I want this over now. Anything less than trips is folding immediately. Yes you get rid of the draws, but you don't make anything off of the lesser made hands

[@teddyj5187]

@@alexh8613 straight and flush draws i want to end it on the turn. The last card completes the flush and one card for a straight. He doesnt have the nuts at any point. On a dry board i can see betting to keep someone in. Why build a pot to get run down at the end? One of the worst cards in the deck came out and he still shoved anyway.

[@virajs.8864]

@@alexh8613 that’s +ev

[@brucebailey9283]

That was tough to listen to. I think that my ears started bleeding a little In the first couple of minutes. Still some good situational info to be discussed. Thanks Bart

[@naturalbornreeler5133]

I find it amusing when these players call other players rec players... Like if they are rec players what are you?