PROSPECT PIPELINE & MOTOWN MELTDOWN ft. Bob Kaser - Winged Wheel Podcast - Dec. 22nd, 2024

[@dtybur10]

Merry Christmas to the Wing Wheeled Podcasters, their families, and their fans!!

[@waterboy417]

I said it on the episode after we lost to the sharks and ducks and I’ll say it again. Y’all gotta stop acting like we’re above these teams lmao we’re just as shit as all of them

[@casewojo6186]

We’re worse, because we’re supposed to be nearing the end of the rebuild….. this is a terrible team and an even worse product to put on the ice. Lalonde is the perfect coach for a heartless, gutless, and uninspired group. But don’t worry, we got “good prospects!”….

[@mattl2642]

​@@casewojo6186 were going to have an even better prospect pool when we sell off this year and pick top 5 this draft. And then load the roster with prospects next year and pick top 3. Future is bright my friend!

[@Mr_Spock512]

Yep, these 3 smug guys just got a dose of reality from the "lowly" Habs.

[@wyattbarnes9641]

@@mattl2642 Who is Detroit trading that is worth anything? Maybe get a couple mid round picks for Tarasenko and Lyon but besides that this team is filled with bad contracts and guys that would probably be deemed untouchable by management. Also besides the goalies and Sandin Pelikka there is no impact player coming in the future.

[@mattl2642]

@wyattbarnes9641 if the rangers are capable of trading trouba without retention or adding a draft pick. We should be able to move kane, copp, veleno, chiarot, possibly rasmussen or tarasenko. Teams are always looking for center depth, so veleno copp ras should be easier to move than a chiarot or tarasenko. Kane has a full no move, so it'll be up to him if he wants to stay aboard the sinking ship. And hopefully we could move lyon for a mid round pick.

[@socialmediag5485]

I don’t know why anyone wouldn’t be for a tank after back to back losses to the habs. Zero point getting the 10th pick again, we need to get in the top 3-4 of the draft . Trade Kane, tarasenko, etc.. ASAP and make trades for the likes of a cozens or byram and start calling up Soderblom,wallinder, tuomisto etc... and see what’s there This seasons over

[@Kieva_Storm]

Can't trade Kane dawg. He has a full No Trade clause, and pulling the New York waive is not an option for this team, since they're not a winning market right now, and the fact that Kane has value. Based on the interview he did, he wants to stay in Detroit because his family really likes it. His and DeBrincat's sons are friends in example. The season is absolutely cooked though for sure.

[@johnfitzgerald3897]

Time to sit Petry and play Albert Johansson all the time to see him develop

[@captaindrachma2041]

I can officially say that I am listening to/watching more WWP than the actual Red Wings at this point. Nothing against you guys because you're great but that is a sad fact..

[@dtybur10]

The games are unwatchable. WWP, otoh, highly watchable. Thanks guys and Merry Christmas to you and your families!!

[@ronproietti6050]

Need to DRAFT HIGH and forget trying to squeak into the playoffs,, and getting knocked out 4 strait in the first round...Merry Christmas Gang !!

[@TheUnnamedAssailant]

@@ronproietti6050 yep, silent tanking is how you fix this mess. No one on the Wings is a superstar, a collection of very good hockey players yes, but they don’t have anyone the caliber of a McDavid, Matthews, MacKinnon, Barkov, or Makar and that has to change if they want to be a consistent playoff threat

[@BrentNinedorf]

Think at least this year for sure. Draft heavy at Center and LD. Wouldn’t mind packaging picks to be able to get back into the first round. There is usually a relatively high profile guy that usually drops. The name and reputation value usually holds longer for those guys than a random second rounder. Can use as a trade piece or the guy is good value. Want more aggression in moving up to try and get another piece. Would like to see it.

[@Septembersmith9633]

Correct. I wish more of the fanbase was smart enough to realize this.

[@Septembersmith9633]

​@@TheUnnamedAssailantto be fair how many superstars have there been since 2019? Maybe 3 and that's stretching it. Not a lot of Connor McDavid's coming though the talent pipelines these days.

[@RC-tm8jo]

​@TheUnnamedAssailant I agree. We have one A- player (Seider), a few B+ players (Raymond, Larkin, Debrincat), and the rest are average to below average. Even with the best coach in the league, 95 points with this team would be unachievable.

[@pjdaddio]

Merry Christmas gents! Keep up the great work. Big fan of the pod. Thank you!

[@Polonolo99]

I'm still waiting for an explanation of the Walman "trade". If we wait for another high prospect no playoffs for another 3 years. Tired of waiting, and tired of the media not bird dogging Yzerman into discussing his team's performance.

[@casewojo6186]

It’s unbelievable. He’s actually near a point per game…. Sounds like an offensive defenseman, like Gustafson was supposed to be. Yzerman is a moron.

[@sydneytoker7390]

Tank Nation

[@carmanwright2889]

Sure glad Stevie got rid of Walman and a good right handed D prospect. It’s going to look even worse for Yzerman if Gibson turns out to be decent. This season is absolutely baked!

[@danb239]

Yea Gibson made fvcking Canadian world junior team. I was more pissed about losing him than Walman

[@WayneGibbous]

The December curse is almost over... it's ZERO to HERO time, baby!! Lalonde's hair is going to grow back, baby!! We're gonna make it into the playoffs, baby!! We're gonna get knocked out in the 1st round!! Heyyo!!

[@TWKozak-hs9bo]

Fellow bottom-feeders is the perfect description. I've tuned out on the Wings and gone back to watching the Panthers, the Bolts, and the Lightning, This season is already a bust.

[@tokiburoak7457]

Watching OHL or CHL teams is acceptable but what your doing is straight treason.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

it has been released a couple hours ago - Rempe got 8 game suspension .

[@azianknight]

The Wings have to win 80% of their games from here on out. We all know that's not happening. Just tank. Get a higher pick. Trade everyone who still has value

[@brian1112]

They actually didn’t play bad defense against Montreal. It was bad goaltending. Averaging out Moneypuck, Natural Stat Trick, and Evolving Hockey expected goal models for both games show good defensive games and bad goaltending. They allowed Cam Talbot to face 2.93 expected goals and he gave up 4 goals for a goals saved above expected of -1.07. Alex Lyon faced 2.37 expected goals and gave up 5 goals. His goals saved above expected was -2.63. In total 5.3 expected goals against and 9 goals given up for a -3.7 goals saved above expected. So, goaltending cost them a 3-3 overtime point with the possibility of a win in the first game and 2-2 overtime point with the possibility of a win in the second game.

[@dack400]

I don’t care what the analytics say- they gave up a shit ton of high danger chances and defensemen were getting walked, especially in the second game. And I think 3 of the goals were deflections if memory serves. Seemed like the high danger chances were saved but then a couple softies.

[@keithgarrett2373]

I do miss last year's Team. This has been a big mistake by management!

[@danb239]

Last year's team just didn't follow Lalondes system and winged it(no pun intended). Turned out that is actually entertaining and wins games.

[@paveldatsyuk8268]

merry christmas fellas!

[@WingedWheelPodcast]

Merry Christmas! 🎄

[@thewickedone2676]

Yet we still have Yzerman fanboys making excuses for this pathetic product. We are currently in the same spot of the standings as we were when he took over, so the real question is, what is he doing? Yes, yes, I know. Wait for the kids, blah blah blah. We all torched Holland when he said a rebuild would take 10 years, yet by the looks of it, it will be 10 years with Stevie before we make the playoffs. How is that acceptable? Bad move after bad move, yet fans cant separate the player from the manager. I guess Detroit fans are cool with being subpar for the rest of time.

[@greghawkman]

Yzerman has done a poor job, we can see that the team, the players on the team today, are performing worse than they did the day that Yzerman was hired.

[@xRyeBredx]

If hes done such a poor job, I'm genuinely curious, what should he have done differently in free agency? Hes drafted well, resigned the future to good contracts and aside from the walman trade, hes done well with trades so far. Even though that trade has little effect in the grand scheme of things.

[@greghawkman]

@@xRyeBredx We can see that Red Wings player development, the guys drafted after the first round, are not diamonds in the rough and not cracking the NHL rosters. Which means that Yzerman's scouting staff is failing...Draper, Cleary, Fischer and too much nepotism - these guys are not getting it done either.

[@danb239]

​@@greghawkmanAugustine, Buchelnikov, Mazur, Lombardi, Soderblom, Buium, Wallinder. Plenty of guys outside the 1st round are looking like fantastic prospects.

[@danb239]

​@@xRyeBredxI am still a fan of Yzerman because of his fantastic drafting and willingness to be patient and stick to a long term plan. But Walman trade is INEXCUSABLE, could have got some serious assets for him, adding a second just to get rid of him to make the team worse was beyond stupid. Kiskinen looks good but Gibson was a really good prospect and trading him was extremely stupid. He is on Canadian world junior team now, he was voted best shot blocker and 3rd best defenseman in OHL western conference. Big 6'3" right handed defenseman who defends really well why TF would you trade a player like that. It will come back to bite them.

[@donallan6396]

I would rather see the Wings lose 6 to 4 or 7 to five and provide fast paced excitement than watch these intensely boring product they are putting on the ice. Winning is necessary of course.But if you are losing and putting your fans to sleep,what's the use? Futility.

[@jmanstar24]

The thing that drives me genuinely mad is the constant refrain of "We overperformed last year." Throwing up your hands and demanding everyone accept a step back is absurd. I don't care. The team was a tiebreaker away from the playoffs. Yzerman is the GM, it's his bloody job to head off the problem and try and prevent the regression you're expecting. You can't do this to the fans and tell your players you don't have expectations of them. You can't do that at all.

[@danb239]

I agree somewhat, I can understand the personnel decisions. Keeping Lalonde is the big issue for me, by keeping him it sends a bad message. These guys just aren't having fun playing hockey and the offense is nonexistent. If they end up with a top 3 or 5 pick sacrificing this season will be worth it though.

[@BTScollectables]

As much as I want to see this team win/make the playoffs, I think they’re benefit more from a top 5 draft pick.

[@xRyeBredx]

For all of the Yzerman haters out there complaining about the FA signings, I'm genuinely curious what he should have done differently to move the needle.

[@mattl2642]

Should've remained bad thru at least the Bedard draft taking on bad contracts and flipping reclamation projects for assets

[@danb239]

​@@mattl2642got Danielson and ASP in the Bedard draft, turned out great. Getting MBN in last years draft at 15th was a phenomenal pick. Say what you want about Yzerman but the Wings are killing it with their 1st round picks in the draft, no matter where they pick.

[@danb239]

I would have kept Walman and not signed Gustafsson, not signed Tarasenko. Berggren should be in Tarasenko's spot, Johansson should be playing over Gustafsson but Lalonde favours older players and is retarded. Could have traded for Broberg, Holloway, Vasily Podkolzin. Could have traded for Timothy Liljigren mid season, Kappo Kakko, claimed Oliver Wahlstrom. These are all former 1st round picks under 25 who have high potential, could of been had for a 2nd round pick or less, most of them less than a 2nd.

[@mattl2642]

@danb239 so was fantilli, will smith, michkov, and Ryan Leonard. Some of those guys are looking like potential game breakers. I've got hope for danielson and asp. But the top end of that draft is looking phenomenal

[@danb239]

​​True but I'm a huge Danielson fan, he's the one I wanted when I knew where they were picking. He has had some highlight reel plays in GR and is looking great. I wouldn't have been surprised if they took ASP 9th either getting him at 17 was an absolute steal. He looks like Makar on the blueline deking guys out of their pants. Just a phenomenal skater with great dekes and a wicked shot. I do wish they tanked a little more in the past, for me it's the Kasper draft. Forget about the past though, this year's draft is the one to look forward to when they get a high skill forward or the left hand defenseman Schaefer. Hagens, Martone, Misa, Schaefer, McQueen top 5 is a really good options. At worse though they pick 6th and take Ryabkin who definitely fits their drafting style. 7th they get Frondell and I would happy. If they end up picking 8th and miss out on all of these players I will be disappointed but they will still probably end up with someone good.

[@hawkputt1]

Let’s be honest ,Yzerman screwed this up. Poor off season signings . Let Walman and Gostisbeehere who lead there Teams D in scoring . Giving SJ a 2nd rd pick as well. That’s down right embarrassing. Any more injuries and will be in Loto.

[@casewojo6186]

He really messed up. His signings are disastrously bad, but all of the homers go easy on him because he was captain of wing team once…. He was supposed to come here and give us hope, instead he brought an extra 4-6 years to add to the rebuild

[@xRyeBredx]

​@@casewojo6186So what changes to the signing should he have made to move the needle? You wanted him to overpay for 30 year olds at 7 years (exactly what holland did to f up the team)?

[@danb239]

​@@casewojo6186if they land an elite forward or Schaefer in the draft it will be worth sacrificing this season.

[@dj4aces]

If they replaced Lalonde with Tanguay, there's a better chance of the team improving than if they replaced him with Boughner. Really, I think if Lalonde is fired, Boughner has to go with him.

[@greghawkman]

After keeping Blashill around for 4 years too long they replaced him with Lalonde - who is basically the same. Seems like these days, that NHL players do not respect or respond positively to rookie NHL coaches.

[@RuneGetSkagg]

@@greghawkman Tanguay has not proofed anything. We need a proven great coach.

[@greghawkman]

@@RuneGetSkagg Agreed, but Yzerman has overseen catastrophically stupid player personnel decisions over the past 12 months which have effectively wrecked the team. It is worse now than one year ago, by a long shot.

[@greghawkman]

@@RuneGetSkagg Walman, Gostosbehere playing better than our defense...Vrana scored a power-play goal in Sunday's 3-1 win over the Kings. Why can't these guys play in Detroit?

[@RuneGetSkagg]

@@greghawkman that is a true statement, Merry Christmas from Sweden my friend

[@TheUnnamedAssailant]

Porter Martone would look good in a Winged Wheel sweater

[@halion50100]

Micheal Misa° would look hella good In a Winged wheel jersey.

[@danb239]

​@@halion50100 Hagens, Schaefer or McQueen as well

[@eribertollanas8167]

I am sooo surprised that's the red wings, a mighty franchise doesn't have the pair to fire a mediocre coach like lalonde. I don't care if it's a rebuild process, the red wings are the red wings an original 6, and the office is acting as if the team is a small franchise. I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. Lalonde has to go he needed to go since losing to the sharks and nothing has been done. Mediocre!

[@donallan6396]

Detroit isn't a small market when you count in the entire Metro area , Windsor and Southwestern Ontario. We deserve better. I feel like we have gone back to the Bruce Norris days.Sad .

[@eribertollanas8167]

@@donallan6396 I feel that. It's awful

[@danb239]

​@@donallan6396I'm from a town east of Hamilton and I grew up a Wings fan. The sphere of influence is wide

[@justinshields3819]

Miss for Misa!

[@jasonkemppainen4731]

Bothers. Why you gonna give me a prospect episode right before Christmas, we’re almost cooked but not well done 😂😅

[@WingedWheelPodcast]

well we didn't *want* to 😂

[@HeWhoRoamsAimlessly]

Not going to lie boys. Im genuinely disappointed in this franchise for the first time since the 09 cup loss. Yzerman has to stay the course but wow. It's so bad. So embarrassing.

[@mattl2642]

Shouldnt be staying any course. He should be working the phones and moving any vet contract he can. And Yzerman needs to clean out our pro scouting department top to bottom and find someone competent at that position. Or get the hell out of Detroit.

[@HeWhoRoamsAimlessly]

@mattl2642 no. The kids are good. And there is a pile more of them coming. This isn't a problem with the kids. Clearly a defensive issue. Maybe coaching. Time for some of the older players to pound salt. If we're going to lose the kids may as well play.

[@mattl2642]

@@HeWhoRoamsAimlessly yeah the amateur scouting for drafted players has been good. Pro scouting is responsible for the ben chiarots, gustaffsons, copps and comphers on this team. Way too many boat anchor contracts.

[@HeWhoRoamsAimlessly]

@mattl2642 that I agree with. It's such a disasterfrom last year

[@RC-tm8jo]

I had awesome seats at the '09 cup loss, right at the blue line. We left as soon as the game ended and didn't want to see Crosby celebrating on our ice. I'm glad we won four cups between 1997 and 2008, but that '09 loss was still tough because we were up 3-2 in the series.

[@puckhndler]

If you guys are down about the loss to the Canadiens, wait till you see what St Louis did to us. Not gonna go to another game until I hear Lalonde is gone.

[@ronproietti6050]

Wonder how much you guys would laugh if this slash was against say Larkin or Kane ??

[@mattl2642]

A 1 handed slash to the back of the legs. You're acting like we didn't all watch Larkin get knocked out cold last year mid game.

[@ronproietti6050]

Actually I'm not talking about the hitting,,If you could read , all I said was that I don't remember the boys having a good laugh about a dirty hit when it happens to one of their own !! Merry Christmas

[@johngibson5533]

If we can stop rotating goalies and stick to at least a week of games with the same goalie we will have some consistency,I think,but who is making the decision on the goalies?

[@Killertomatoes7777]

Petry and Chaiot Montreal “castoffs”

[@markhoward8373]

Habs fans called him Petry Dish

[@Mrsinister25]

Who are we tanking for?

[@workshoptelescope]

Whoever is projected to go seventh overall.

[@gavinmarion91]

Hopefully Misa, Hagens, Martone or Schaefer.. Probably gonna get one of Desnoyers, Eklund, Frondell or McQueen

[@Septembersmith9633]

Bribing the guys with a janky 3d printer nice 😂

[@WingedWheelPodcast]

the bar is low lmao

[@socialmediag5485]

And Kakko scored on his first game in Seattle ... why should Yzerman bother making trades for young players when we have our own krappo

[@MrBacchus18]

You guys should get hazard pay for running a Eings podcast it's been so ugly. I'd be fine if you wanted to watch the Wings in shifts Brad takes one game, Ryan gets the next, and then Evan. Spread the pain out a little. Merry Christmas boys.

[@WingedWheelPodcast]

🥴 Merry Christmas!

[@billjohansson88]

The problem with tank is that RW is the worst team in the league to do it. It is also noticeable that the conflict of the business side versus the sports side has taken a big hit this year. The number of visitors per game has steadily declined and those numbers do not include all those like me who follow teams live via the internet. But the decline has been there for several years and is not at all due to bad luck in the draft draw, which is mostly a poor excuse by the staff in the organization. Where Lalonde this year sounds like a repetitive record completely without the presence of reality in his own analyses today. S.Y believed that the team needed Vet's for their leadership and create a winning culture for all the young people to take part in. 6 years of his leadership and the team culture is that the players do not believe in the staff's version at all anymore, it is clearly visible in all the press media for everyone to take part off. How bad the product is on the ice today is that no one can sit safely. So tank, should have been done years ago and should have been done better by the organization's staff. The only thing that can save S.Y today is if he blows up the team and only keeps MO/Raz out and everyone else including Cat & Larks to be available. The problem is that no other team is interested in players from RW as they are former or average at best. 6 years of drafting where the strategy has always been to take the best available player and had never expand with a new version. Merry Christmas

[@mikedeboer1308]

Prospect pools can always be analyzed to fit a narrative - ours isn't actually very good when looked at objectively. We're really relying on ASP and Danielson to save our organization? LMAO. Hopeless team, hopeless front office, hopeless coaching staff. 10 years away from being 10 years away.

[@JoJo-ke5yz]

Prospect pipeline episode....in December. Jfc. It's not your fault, I know. But I'm gonna put the podcast down for the next 9 months. I can't do this.

[@paulwt9783]

even despite everything Lalonde has done to him, Kane appeared fully willing and able to rescue him and his awful team if he had just been allowed to keep Cat and Copp full time and get some usage w Seider's d pair. and Lalonde couldn't do it. that deal was not good enough for him. it was still not giving Raymond EVERYTHING. it was still making the wrong guy the star. so he couldn't allow it. after the 1st period of the 1st MTL game, he stopped letting them play w Seider/Chiarot despite dominant analytics together in the 1st period of that game and 1-0 on the scoreboard. it cost them that game. then last game, team up 1-0 and rolling, he out of nowhere decides to swap DeBrincat and Rasmussen for a shift each in the middle of the period. Cat Ray Larkin, Ras Kane Copp. the team immediately collapsed. it was like he'd punched the entire team in the gut. for no reason. and then in response to this collapse - which btw included Lyon simply being horrific in net - he broke up the Copp Kane Cat line altogether for the rest of the game. he broke up ALL the lines, all the pairings of the forwards - except of course for Larkin and Ray. they NEVER get split up. you will rarely find a more self-sabotaging career ruining couple of games by any coach in NHL history. as i say - Pat appeared fully willing to straight up save this guy's job the rest of this year and make this a good team. Lalonde refused it. he's a bum. he has to go.

[@brentanderson3887]

How do you really feel? 😂

[@Blaize24]

I don't see eight games as a clear message. It should have been more based both on the hit and his history.

[@ninjaxjets7821]

better than being a buffalo fan right now..... 13 L's in a row god damn!!!!

[@wyattbarnes9641]

Meh they’ll probably get a better draft pick, this team is still horrible and will get pick 6 or 7

[@mattl2642]

Even with 13 straight L's. Buffalo is currently 2 points behind us. Let that soak in...

[@scottyius]

What is a gibbet?

[@mattl2642]

I believe they're talking about "jibbitz" which are those things people stick in the holes of crocs.

[@WingedWheelPodcast]

apparently (and we just learned this from Evan) jibbitz are little plastic "charms" that you add the holes in Crocz 🥴

[@streetsharkz]

#1 Draft Pick Lets GO! Steve Yzerman is a lazy pothead not some wizard mastermind.

[@brianmcevoy1990]

Everything about this team, from management to coaching to players and even the fans have been dog shit this year.

[@redwing3150]

Not the prospect pipeline!

[@joechriste7052]

This hockey team is impossible to watch. They're so bad and play ghe most boring hockey. Team defense is absolutely trash and not one player is trying or willing to throw a hit, let alone finish a check. LaLonde needs to go, now.

[@danb.9891]

I'm sorry, I'm an old man and was only vaguely listening to the open of this episode. What is a giblet that Evan references? 🤷

[@WingedWheelPodcast]

apparently (and we just learned this from Evan) jibbitz are little plastic "charms" that you add the holes in Crocz 🥴

[@WhiteMonkey66Fla]

If Shai Buuim is two years away with what is on the Red Wings roster he simply isn’t much of a prospect.

[@patrickgaughan1199]

We got the wrong one. His brother is much better

[@mattl2642]

Were only 4 points away from dead last. A little roster manipulation and well be right down there with buffalo and chicago. This team desperately lacks elite talent and the only way were going to get it is through the draft

[@bar383]

Harkness dammit!

[@ronproietti6050]

I'm getting old and the memory is not was it was so I'd like to ask a question and hope i am wrong,,but did we not trade away our 1st round pick this year for DeCat ??

[@willsmithmachine5244]

No. Detroit traded Bertuzzi for a 1st and that pick was used in the Debrincat trade. 2025 1st is still there🙂

[@ronproietti6050]

@@willsmithmachine5244 Thanks for the reply,,and THANK GOODNESS we may end up with a high pick !! Merry Christmas ..

[@15DurangoRT]

The Red Wings will not be any good until Yzerman leaves because he is making bad moves.

[@poligrafsharikov2375]

Stop drafting "safe" players - checkers. Need scorers, playmakers.

[@greghawkman]

Stop drafting relatives of former Wings players.

[@danb239]

MBN and Danielson were great picks, safe dosen't mean they are low ceiling by any means. Players were saying in preseason MBN has the best shot in the organization already. He isn't just a checker, his favourite player growing up was Ovechkin

[@danb239]

​@@greghawkmanthey only did that once with Draper in the 7th round, who cares

[@greghawkman]

@@danb239 You might want to see where Datsyuk and Zetterburg went. They care.

[@DonMcGee-s7q]

What the? Is Stevie brain dead? What has Lalonde got on him? Better coaches than him are gone long ago! Steve is embarrassing loyal Wings fans.

[@MichaelBauer-ei7dj]

You want Red Wings management's attention. Stop showing up for the games, 5000 people in the stands max. Or everyone wears black. It won't happen because we are die hard fans. But it'd me great to see.

[@thewaterwarrior9817]

I’m sorry but I don’t even want to watch this

[@donallan6396]

Thanks for dropping in, and have a Merry Christmas.

[@thewaterwarrior9817]

@ thanks you too mate

[@theawayfan6052]

I mean I knew this episode was comming sooner or later.. oof LGRW 🐙🏒🤘