Protein is the Most Important Thing for Longevity | Plant Protein vs Animal Protein

[@471444a]

Oooooh thank you for not putting out one sided content, you make genuinely thoughtful content!

[@pete1853]

More of this, please. Rational discussion between two healthy people, speaking intelligently and respectfully. Thank you both.

[@barath4545]

He did it before with the gut doctor as well, that was an amazing episode if you missed that one!

[@elainetyger]

And the brain doctor Amen. The two interviews with him in the past month are perhaps the most important, even though I came here originally looking for guidance about cholesterol and fasting.

[@MrSinister718]

I'm not gonna waste 43 minutes when I know how awful plants and their proteins are.

[@semi-mojo]

​@@MrSinister718this mentality parallels your beliefs, in terms of maturity. No, you do not know more than nutritional scientists.

[@MrSinister718]

@@semi-mojo Sure thing, Sigmund Fraud.

[@denisoconnell8745]

Great discussion. My wife and I have gone plant based, I was hesitant as I resistance train and was worried about protein intake. I now average about 1.8g per kg of protein and dont have much trouble getting it but about 45g a day is from a vegan protein shake so that helps. We've noticed our energy levels skyrocket and sleep improve so think even doing a small number of days a week is a great option for people.

[@emilybarry9410]

BEST COLLAB EVER!!! You two are a few of my favs in the health/diet/exercise/Longevity movement 🌱 🫐 🌰 💪 🦵 🙌 🙏

[@BeHealing]

This over 65 year olds weren’t only starting to eat more protein at age 60 either. That’s important to note. I train like a professional athlete and I don’t recover properly if I don’t have at least 2 gram protein per kg weight. If my knee hurts and is inflamed I will drink another protein shake before bed to help my body recover on top of my usual protein consumption and it makes a big difference to how my knee is the next morning. It also seems to aid my sleep too. I can wake up in the night hungry and Greek yoghurt gets me back to sleep whereas other macros, carbs do not have the same effect

[@blueseptember2174]

Thanks for the Greek yogurt tip. What brand do you recommend?

[@barath4545]

Makes sense ... you want the body to cool down and relax, so any carbs would just spike blood sugar and have you toss and turn. I bet fats could work too, like macademia nuts, if one has problems digesting proteins in your sleep. I would personally not eat 3 hrs before bedtime cause that is what works for me for best sleep. I read that taking a large dose of magnesium, (500mg men / 350-400 women) two hours before bedtime also helps a lot with sleep and eliminates cramps if one has those.

[@angeladavies]

same I need my high protein plain yoghurt at night, same a lot of endurance & RT, atm a Meniscus tear so aged 55 I be high side for protein. Also just feel satisfied and calms me down.

[@BeHealing]

@@blueseptember2174 I'm in Thailand so I doubt you'd be able to get the one I do, but it's a zero fat one

[@likearollingstone007]

@@blueseptember2174 The low carbs high proteins one.

[@aeythonmusic]

Love this one! Been watching both these guys for awhile and I love the non fanatical info from both. Clear ideas on how to live more optimally. I’ve tried nearly everything from long term plant based to primarily carnivore and lots in between and then back to plants. I get my content from a lot of sources and unfortunately most of what’s out there is wildly fanatical which can be really misleading for people when it’s cherry picked and confirmation biased on delivery. Great to see both of you guys talking and presenting a clearer picture to help people.

[@brooksreed9609]

As Simon Hill rests his hat on apob for reasons to not eat red meat and knowing your bloodwork to see how red meat effects that, you should likewise get bloodwork to see how a vegan diet/plant diet effects bio markers of gut inflammation/gluten sensitivities/homocysteine/crp/ oxalates. Genetics and lifestyle plays a big role on what foods you will thrive on based on physiological needs and food sensitivities.

[@MsSweetlandofliberty]

The Blood Type diet, long out of fashion now, stated that types O and B should eat primarily red meat for protein, while A and AB types do better with plant proteins and light meats like chicken and fish. There are specific variations for each type, and rationale given as to why, but the bottom line is that my husband (O) and I (B) have found the general macronutrients, and specifically the protein piece, after years of practice, to be of value. My A and AB friends have found they did better with beans and light meats. Just some anecdotal information that might be helpful and possibly explain why some people thrive on plant protein and others don’t and need meat protein.

[@NoTabooPaintings]

Blood type diets are total bullshit with no evidence in science.

[@audreygregis8721]

We used the blood type diet yrs ago, all O blood type, which is how we found son#2 is Celiac, although I also affected me and my other 2 children. Then we used it to turn off a Reactive Arthritis gene (HLA B27) a few yrs later, as we were still eating a tiny bit of dairy. But, I always told clients that it was a guideline, because we are all individuals. I don't agree with with lot of it,, because I finally realized plants, seeds, nuts were killing me...and have had some pretty wicked oxalate dumping, but once on the other side, it's fabulous.

[@matthiaspriester2368]

I am Bloodtype A and I am doing great on carnivore. Not very well on plants. So I do not hold that type of diet very highly.

[@davesskillet9235]

I do not limit what I eat with the exception of sweets donuts, white bread, candy soda, pies, cakes etc... all are off the table my meals weigh 10 oz and are protein heavy. exercise is important I ride a bike 7-14 miles on avg. I'm 70 and still at my former military weight. thanks for sharing watch these videos all the time.

[@RobertNaik]

Brilliant podcast. I’ve watched a few and this cleared a lot up. I’m not a vegetarian but I want to eat less meat. people in the blue zones don’t eat much meat. But the last year I’ve been eating a lot of it to hit protein target. Now I see there is another way probably more healthy way. Thank you.

[@jp7357]

I always enjoy listening to Simon … his recent YT talking about TRT and estrogen (and how it’s possibly the associated estrogen increase that is driving the T effects) was fascinating ..I’ve recently added fish back into my whole food plant based diet (for protein and matrimonial harmony), I noticed a 10% rise in apoB along with a 60% increase in my wife’s happiness quotient when choosing restaurants.

[@DefyingOldAge]

Addressing minute 3:05 re guests comments on whether strength or muscle mass is more important moving into old age... I'd argue that strength and muscle mass are correlated when accounting for longevity, that strength is fast twitch muscle, and fast twitch muscle is directly connected to muscle size. Sarcopenia represents a loss of fasttwitch muscle and subsequently muscle size.

[@kazmilo8880]

That was very interesting, thanks so much guys. Such a pleasure to listen to an educated chat and not an argument.

[@YamatoForever]

I went on Jardiance and it damaged my kidneys. And whenever I try to increase my protein my kidney function takes a hit. Be careful with protein if you have kidney disease.

[@tm1830]

Or high blood pressure.

[@JustFAIZing]

Interesting that Thomas very much did not want to discuss the saturated fat issue...very disappointing. Simon gave a very dumbed-down response to this topic but at least insisted on responding to it in a very nuanced way. I am very sure he would have been far more forceful in his opposition to saturated fat if he had been given the opportunity to do so. His own videos clearly shows where he stands on the topic. The evidence is clear.

[@PepeCoinMania]

Well who can discuss a topic like that when everyone should know we had been misled for years and years Today I are predominantly saturated fats and I’m doing well

[@fadetoexadam182]

This is an awesome video. I would feel the image on this video would turn a lot of people of watching, thinking it’s just animal vs meat protein and they know all about it. In fact the video has sooo much more info and is highly rated.

[@donewittit6607]

Shout out to Thomas having Simon on it's a great look

[@StangspringDK]

Simon has a great point, that if you consume significantly higher than RDA, 0.8g/kg, and eat a varied plantbased diet (and you are aware of shortcomings on certain protein sources), that you are more likely to get sufficient amounts of EAA's. However, many vegans underconsume protein, based on a vegan dogma, that protein requirements are overestimated. That RDA is "you can have up to 0.8g/kg". That you are "allowed" up to 0.8g. One cannot deny, that Simon looks WAY healthier than Mic The Vegan or Dr. Greger.

[@PepeCoinMania]

Nah it’s crap

[@skyleawood2649]

Quality of protein matters. Plant based protein macros are dramatically overstated per protein nutrition expert Don Layman, PhD, who has spent researching and studying protein for decades. Vegans/vegetarians are being duped by the big agri machine into believing the protein macros published are treated metabolically after ingestion the same way as animal based proteins; they are not and research has proven this. Bring Don Layman into the discussion.

[@vegannomad]

Big Agro is the meat and dairy industry dude 🤣🤣 Pretty sure all the vegan athletes and bodybuilders would have noticed by now if they weren't getting enough protein 😉

[@skyleawood2649]

@@vegannomad read the studies....dude. then provide scientific evidence that a plant based diet is equivalent to an omnivore diet in health and longevity outcome. I have no axe to grind nor grift to promote. I follow the science and common sense.

[@geraldfriend256]

@@skyleawood2649 Respect to you, but I believe a pure vegan diet has too many deficiencies. We evolve in parallel to our food sources, and I do not see how we could evolve to have a B12 *need that our diet does not provide. * for example. A lot of others on the list.

[@TheRoadTo195]

I believe that protein from meat is more bioavailable when compared to vegetables.

[@skyleawood2649]

@geraldfriend256 totally agree. The research proves it!

[@Pilarfitvegas]

I love hearing from both sides in a civil manner ❤

[@MrSinister718]

Kind of a waste of time, when the plant side is so wrong. Should have cut it down to 6 minutes.

[@MetaTrixx]

Great video! Question for you though, have you ever done any videos on vanilla extract or vanilla in any form? I’d be curious to hear your thoughts on it because it’s definitely very sweet and I’ve heard some good things about it. As always keep up the good work 👍

[@Berrypancakes229]

So many rules for eating. My grandparents ate their favorite Foods, beans, chili, homemade tortillas , steak , pork. French toast, organic milk from their own cow. Fresh eggs. They live to their middle 80’s. No smart phones, or internet. No television.

[@audreygregis8721]

I grew up on a farm, back in the 50s, 60, 70s. My grandparents ate all those things too, but still meat based. I can look back now, see all their health issues, arthritis, heart disease, were because of the grains and veggies they ate. My grandfather lived to 69 (heart attack), my grandmother 82. I surely would not say her life was wonderful, as she suffered with arthritis. Guaranteed from the grains and dairy. How long one lives does not align with how good their life was. Back then we had no idea of oxalates, which grains and many veggies are high. Oxalates are connected to all kinds of joint issues, as well as studies with heart disease and cancers.

[@Berrypancakes229]

@@audreygregis8721 what foods have oxalates?

[@audreygregis8721]

@@Berrypancakes229 The high oxalate foods....ALL grains (even gluten-free), nuts (almond flour is NOT good), nut milks are even higher because they are concentrated oxalates, most seeds, especially soy. I got to thinking today about Simon eating so much soy. He's young, but what happens as he ages and is eating all these high oxalate foods? It will catch up with you sooner or later. Also high oxalate...beets/beet greens, chocolate, potatoes (especially sweet potatoes), celery, carrots (most root vegetables), raspberries, blackberries, strawberries (depending on variety), apricots, Swiss chard, spinach, okra, rhubarb, figs, kiwi, allspice, cinnamon, cloves, curry powder, black pepper (white is okay), turmeric, black and green teas....that's for starters. There are low oxalate foods, which are recommended coming off a high oxalate diet to ease your body in allowing it to get rid of oxalates. Your body stores oxalates it can't get rid of safely, because if there are too much oxalates in your blood, you'd have a heart attack. Hence, you can find studies on oxalates and heart issues. There are also studies on oxalates and cancer, because fibroids in the uterus and breasts are oxalates. There are TONS of interviews on YT with Sally Norton, the oxalate queen. She has changed many lives. Just released her book in January, Toxic Superfoods. I'd highly recommend it. Also, her website is a wealth of information, her story is crazy what oxalates did to her, as she was vegan/vegetarian since young...sallyknorton dot com.

[@Berrypancakes229]

@@audreygregis8721 Yes. Your right . Although they lived to their 80’s. Heart disease, diabetes, inflammation.

[@audreygregis8721]

@@Berrypancakes229 My middle son once said..."Mom, just because you are alive doesn't mean you are living." Out of the mouth of babes. I decided a long time ago, actually at 22yo when I left home, I did NOT want to turn out like my relatives. I'm now 69, and I've learned and changed my diet over the years...and so far so good. I want quality of life, not just life. Also heard someone say many years ago, "I don't want to die before I die." That explained what I watched my relatives do. They sure didn't have quality of life.

[@alreadythunkit]

Excellent discussion. Thanks for the resource links.

[@marcoF123]

is brown rice/pea protein powder having high levels of arsenic? even if it is organic farming?

[@denisea.9033]

Thank you for this, I’m a big fan of Simon Hill from back in my whole food plant based days. Oh and I live in Japan, they pronounce nato as “nah-toh”, so I think you said it right originally 😊.

[@toriarose]

These studies where the participants ate higher or lower "protein," uh, is all protein the same? Plant protein, animal protein, grass-finished, free range, caged, protein powders (organic or filled with all kinds of crap?) ... just "protein" seems completely meaningless. So did the young people eat the same type of protein as the older people? One big difference tween younger and older ones is the older folks are often not working. So they often eat earlier in the day (not after dark), as well as with less stress happening in their lives. Their exercise routine is also less likely to be excessive (maybe only do a daily walk)... So maybe in young people it's not the presumed excess protein, but several imbalances (and maybe one compounding others), including excess stress (hampering proper digestion) and excess exercise and less good sleep... Just so many variables that aren't addressed in most studies.

[@blueseptember2174]

Old people generally don't sleep well either(they wake alot) and have lots of stress too(health problems, appts, family etc) But they eat earlier because by then digestion is slowed so if they don't eat earlier then reflux, hernias, slow digestion will give them the business.

[@nathanhansen4190]

Restriction of certain amino acids and calorie restriction have been shown to influence lifespan in animal models for a pretty long time, partially due to mTOR

[@GamzeMutfakta]

What about herbicides ( Glyphosate) and pesticides even in organic vegetables and fruits and the serious diseases they cause including cancer! .. Eating vegetables isn't safe unless you produce them yourself or they come from a permaculture farm...

[@christilatintity]

Thank you for a truly nuanced conversation about some really complex topics. I really learned a lot. 🙏

[@her_limerence]

I support the Plant guy

[@vincemalovich516]

Excellent discussion! Factually based, looking at the science behind the nutrition.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

i think that picking a single number for an optimal amount of protein ist very wrong. what is important to understand is, that people with insulin resistance waste a lot of protein for gluconeogenesis. that means that there is a huge variance in the need of protein. people who have a high output of PYY and GLP-1 have a lower demand of protein than people who have a low output of PYY/GLP-1 and are diabetic/insulin resistant.

[@robertf2691]

Strength naturally dissipates as you age even if you lift and eat protein. It’s a natural fact of aging unless you’re taking TRT , steroids or other supplements.

[@alrivers2297]

But not nearly as much if you're doing strength training and eating more protein

[@mrcreepypastaigotapastatop4461]

Collagen also plays in part of your skin and many other supplements that can help you retain your muscle mass.

[@SilverFan21k]

Great video Thomas. Are you indeed a fan of Longevity + Healthspan + Lifespan? If you can ever clarify or some youtube shorts. ☀️

[@MusicRN-Dianna]

👍 thank you for posting this video! 🩵

[@CraigCastanet]

The experts don't really agree, and they equivocate when they are interacting with each other. You can have clarity, but not as part of an expert consensus. Nadir means low point, not zenith.

[@hapablues]

The pronunciation is basically "nut" + "toe" for Natto.

[@JonasFilberg]

Good respectful debate. 🙏🏿

[@kevinschmidt2210]

You can use any beans to make Natto. I prefer black beans, chick peas and lentils.

[@martinepeters9891]

Have you already collaborated with SIIM? He definitely is my go-to on longevity and your channels both cover the same time kinda topics.

[@wolfrickelly5148]

Not to be a grammar nazi but as someone who studied Japanese and Japanese speakers feel free to correct me but natto is pronounced nA-h-to. Great discussion and showcasing of different ideas.

[@alanfry4635]

The Japanese pronounce natto with a short a. Like “ah”. Note “eh”

[@nathanielasaba5001]

Hill's biceps looking good, I must say

[@52648teedee]

Great discussion, thanks👍

[@alemsuljic4557]

Thomas, how much lean protein do you consume on daily basis and from what? Thank you.

[@gavinbrinck]

@nutritionfacts follower for years @theproofwithsimonhill reader. Been on a @peterattiamd bender of late. So excited to have two 'opposing' camps speak about this. excited. thank you both(subscribing now) 20 mins in, gloves are still on... looking forward to the later rounds ! I loved the civil, educational, and deep conversation ! I learned quite a lot.. did the host not let Simon have the last word on this though , lol . all the love, thank you both so much for your work. i had some fish and plant protein today :P

[@barath4545]

Thomas, what's your thoughts on Bryan Johnson's Blueprint stuff? I don't mean the isolated life, skin stuff all that, but just the diet and the science-based, test-backed way he does things? Would be fun with a long-format interview with Bryan as well if some sort of collab there is possible.

[@WrathOfArmagaddon]

This is a great idea :)

[@sooooooooDark]

19% is probably sweetspot doesnt make u weak doesnt make u increase cancer risk, improves some rando blood markers

[@knockingseeker]

Yeah if training. If no resistance training maybe 15%

[@betterplacetobe7896]

Precious information,

[@milanaroundtheworld]

One Vegan & One meat eater, both absolute giants!

[@amitloutube]

both eating balanced diets that is either plant based or meat based look great and healthy and muscular that means all those carni crazy baker, berry klitz and others are all wrong on plants, they just twist the truth and harm humanity in general but these are small time youtubers meaning they will not hurt much... basically eating fresh local foods, sleep, fasting and moderate activity =helps...

[@nanny8675309]

Mycoprotien is only sold under the product Quorn and none of their products are free of egg and or gluten. I would love to learn where we could buy these mushrooms as is? Also, why isn’t he bringing up that 100 cal of broccoli has more protein than 100 cal of beef?

[@SilverFan21k]

What specifically are you referring to in the video title when you say “Longevity”? Just am curious

[@KellieCorll]

Longevity is how long you live on the diet. Instead of just worrying about performance alone

[@tiagoj8020]

It's obvious Thomas pumped up his arms before shooting this. Lol!

[@nanny8675309]

I’m low carb vegan and I just want to say why do you have to have beans with rice? Why can’t you just eat some beans with vegetables🤔😁

[@JSFGuy]

Today on the video.

[@BioStuff415]

protein is superior if one fasts too.

[@Jaco0l92]

That was awesome.

[@NetAccount]

How the meat was cooked is one the most missed variables in most of these so called studies. High heat frying vs lower heat slow cooking in a crock pot for instance. N=1.

[@missmadelinesadventures3278]

I'm much stronger when I eat lots of meat protein. But I feel bulky. With veggies I feel sleek but weak lol😅

[@dg6845]

Bulky? Bloated ? or strong bulky ?

[@missmadelinesadventures3278]

@@dg6845 strong bulky. It's good for my job. I'm jacked. But in the fall I happily slim down:)

[@dg6845]

@@missmadelinesadventures3278aint nothing wrong with that 💪👊

[@missmadelinesadventures3278]

@@dg6845 I get very muscular quickly. It's OK for work. But during my off season I slim down

[@dg6845]

@@missmadelinesadventures3278 you sound like superwoman 🦸‍♀️

[@brianhall5259]

Thomas Deleaur, Dr. Steven Gundry interview coming up soon?

[@charlesdowning5899]

Concerning the spelling of natto, you have a vowel followed by 2 consonants which makes the vowel short, rather than long if there were only one consonant following,so the correct pronunciation of that word as spelled is natto rather than nato.

[@n3tl4g]

That would be true if "natto" were English or perhaps a word in another European language, but in Japanese the "A" is always the same, sounds like "Ah". The word is transcribed this way to indicate a double consonant sound -- with a brief glottal stop between the first and second T so you can hear the double consonant. Kind of like: naht-to. The T needs also needs to be clear, unlike the soft t in "latter" as they are doing here. That soft t sounds more like a Japanese "r". Japanese pronunciation is very interesting.

[@skripnigor]

Is it fair to say on a plant-based diet you can’t build muscles without eating soy?

[@Kaztrofy]

I don't understand how people get so much protein per day, especially if you're trying to loose weight.

[@vegannomad]

I'm vegan and consume 200 grams of protein a day. It's only 800 calories (200 x 4). Pretty easy if you select the right foods.

[@amymccall5263]

You eat less carbs. Fill up on protein.

[@bartv8207]

It helps a ton while losing weight, less hunger and less muscle loss.

[@Kaztrofy]

@@amymccall5263 yeh i barely eat any carbs as im ketovore, just hard to get proper fat adapted on so much protein trying to lose weight

[@geraldfriend256]

@@vegannomad Can I ask what your protein sources are?

[@cholakicha]

7:00

[@stevewaller5577]

Pardon my ignorance here, but is he talking about protein per day or per meal?

[@tristanlee8912]

Per day

[@stevewaller5577]

@@tristanlee8912 Holy Jesus. I've been doing that per meal. Guess I need to scale back 🤣. TY

[@veronicaheaney3464]

I do eat meat, but I also like Quorn and tempeh. I typically use quorn in my chili in place of ground beef. My husband can’t even tell the difference. 😅

[@jimdandy8996]

Would he be able to tell if you put strychnine in it?

[@NofirstnameNolastname]

​@@jimdandy8996😂

[@geraldfriend256]

Quorn . Something to google.

[@angeladavies]

enjoyed listening, RT I believe reading Prof Stuart Phillips is a must for muscle growth, ie don`t just sit on the couch consuming protein. Couple of vegetarian foods I don`t know of....Seitan unsure if in Melbourne, vegetarian powder??? and something else Simon has? Longevity and being functional not frail or senile is a concept I strive for daily. Thankyou for video.

[@samorr4]

Simon Hill is a subscriber to the 7th Day Adventist Theologically based vegan philosophy. Plant proteins are incomplete and do not contain all 8 of the essential amino acids. Beyond that plants have no EPA nor DHA which are the key Omega 3 fatty acids. The plant chompers will say that they get their EPA and DHA from the conversion of ALA. But the conversion of ALA to DHA and EPA is precisely 6%.

[@MarcoK6969]

So Mitchell Hooper will be at least 100 years old

[@musicmonsterman8395]

Longo doesn't just look into mechanistic data. To reduce his work to his findings with rats is to disgrace him. He has 5 pillars that he uses to construct his protein restriction paradigm that all make a lot of sense and are backed up by reliable data. Sometimes I think these buff guys are just coping that protein isn't as harmful as it is so they feel less guilty.

[@toms8879]

if you search centanarians today and look at those people and what they ate. they did not eat much protein at all. they ate fish, meat, eggs ...etc but not 1,5 grams per kilo gram.if more protein was true youwould have seen it already in those centanrians but it is not.

[@KellieCorll]

They also didn't bench 300 pounds

[@BaltimoreTom]

Meat protein with no fat is the biggest mistake you bros make

[@hanscoumans900]

Carnivore only!!!

[@rwsvs9235]

Dr. Sebi

[@ThriveMarket]

💚

[@RagdyAndy]

3 or 4 SERVINGSSSS serve is a verb WTF

[@joecampos1375]

👍

[@tinacox9526]

Carnivore healthy lifestyle thanks for sharing

[@joylasseter1006]

Please translate ratio of protein to body weight to pounds please.

[@lemino10]

Do a google search.

[@vegannomad]

1 kg = 2.2 lbs. Do the math!

[@PeaceIsYeshua]

@@Joy, if you google kilograms to pounds, you can figure out the conversion that way. I hope this helps. 😊❤

[@bartv8207]

I live in Flanders Belgium, and glad they sometimes do that. And if not I just divide the amount in pounds by two. It's not that difficult.

[@tripvision2875]

What’s dater??!! Lmao

[@robkishi4219]

It's pronounced "naw-toh"

[@joen.8364]

Nitrogen (BUN) waste taxes kidneys?

[@thiqboi]

Team Meat

[@kyokoyumi]

It's not "nay-to" it's as you originally said "naht-to" 日本語を話せない人の言うことは聞かないでください

[@cj548]

First off.. why is he in his underwear?

[@KellieCorll]

Why aren't you

[@nicholascanada3123]

Meat 🍖 only

[@vegannomad]

🌱 only

[@400mdw]

Simon champions diversity in food which is excellent and what our microbiomes want. He should therefore get some of his protein from meat don’t you think?

[@400mdw]

@C.ONTACT_ME What?

[@ErikaFlores-px9gs]

English ppl!?!!

[@anton9408]

why are you flexing lmao

[@PepeCoinMania]

I’d stick to the animal based Congratulations to the gorilas who can thrive on celulose I’m not one of them😂

[@tygur23]

Not plant based protein

[@AussieRon]

Could someone please explain to Simon that his ancestors were Hunter Gatherers. Yes hunting ruminant animals rich in bio available protein and saturated fat. There are no such things as "natto, tofu, quorn or protein shakes" in nature. KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid).

[@knockingseeker]

Game in nature is very lean compared to beef and even chicken breast. What’s nature got to do with maximising longetivity or health aniway? In nature hygiene is bad and that’s natural. Stop showering and wiping your ass.

[@KellieCorll]

They also did not have cars. I take it you hunt all your meat and live in the woods while laying 140 pounds. Every time you have to take a poop you find a nice spot behind a tree.

[@jeffabfall6429]

He looks to be thriving, but mycoprotein? Really? Why go through this bizarre ritual? Life is too short not to enjoy the fact we were designed to animal protein.

[@davidr2421]

It can be tough to buy animal protein without contributing to factory farming; another bizarre and unnatural ritual. I'd love to consume meat without causing more animals to be put in those places, but it can be expensive and impractical to find meat from real, good-quality farms.

[@alrivers2297]

Eat to live, don't live to eat

[@vegannomad]

Hard to believe but some people don't want to be animal abusers and care about the environment and their own longevity. If you eat meat you contribute to violence and ultimately death and are actively destroying our planet. Some people aren't selfish a-holes and know they can thrive and get enough protein without doing such immeasurable harm 🌱🌱🌱

[@harrisonsmith958]

@@davidr2421I agree, I recommend trying to find a local butcher. It’s definitely more expensive but far more humane and something I try to budget for

[@jeffabfall6429]

@@davidr2421 You do realize how many animals are killed with monocrop farming? It's literally killing fields and the pesticides/herbicides poison us daily. Grass fed and finished beef are the way to go.

[@Psycheman-l8i]

I don't trust people that say met-er when the word is meta.

[@fernandopassos1540]

Plant protein? No way!

[@krabbiepally1489]

The "China Study" makes you two look like fools. Have a great day!

[@tm1830]

Can you put a link here for the study you’re speaking of?

[@krabbiepally1489]

Buy the book. Its called "The China Study". Bro-science is not science. Read!!!!!

[@tm1830]

@@krabbiepally1489 I’ll look for it to see what it’s all about.

[@terimartinx]

Your body looks so much healthier and stronger than Simon... he looks like he has a soft body... all of his plant proteins just makes him look big... which makes whatever he's saying not mean much...

[@marcusryder95]

You’re a fool

[@anthonybologna188]

Ribeye A Day Keeps The Doctor Away💪💪🥳!!!!!!

[@maninblack6]

"i only eat only plant products" - will see what happens with you in 10 years. By how he breathes I already can see problems, probably heart .

[@TheRoadTo195]

Regarding APOB, I believe there was a study out that suggested people with lower cholesterol had a higher mortality rate when compared to those with a higher level of cholesterol. There was a point where there were diminishing returns but I want to say that was closer to 300? pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21160131/#:~:text=Conclusions%3A%20Low%20cholesterol%20was%20related,a%20risk%20factor%20for%20mortality.