Prusa CORE ONE CoreXY is out - Zach React

[@jakebradminster709]

Nothing is "out", two weeks later and still no reviews of it anywhere.

[@ItsRyanStudios]

The complaints everyone has about Prusa pricing shows the lack of awareness people have about venture capital. Bambu is a well funded Chinese venture, with an enormous amount of VC backing that effectively subsidizes the cost of the printers. If you take the time to think about it, does a printer like the P1S REALLY seem like it only costs $500 to produce? Or is it more plausible that it's highly subsidized by investment and low paid factory workers?

[@Juiceboxmakes]

@@ItsRyanStudios breaks my heart. As someone who works in mfg In a 1st world country it's an uphill battle.

[@oneanother1]

They don't need to be subsidized, they are made in China where everything is cheap. Look at how cheap their other machines are. They have expensive machine too. Chinese built machines are hard to compete with, especially when they are well built like bwmbulwb. The prusa core one still feels like a diy kit, and prusa just doesn't have the means to manufacture like the Chinese do. I won't buy bambulab, they aren't open source. Plus who knows what data collecting they are doing. Prusa is fine, they are out of my price range. I own a mk3 which I bought used.

[@readyforlol]

Chinese labour laws make any savings from buying a Bambu essentially blood money.

[@Juiceboxmakes]

@readyforlol it's a true thing. The facilitys in China are getting better but purly for performance. I doubt the workers have many rights. It is what it is tho you won't talk the consumer out of it. And sometimes you can't avoid china purchases.

[@roygaiot8105]

I have a P1S and it works great. But if something would go wrong with it, it'd be a re-e-a-al pain to fix. Even with printing adjustments, it's very limited. So now with the Core One I'm seriously thinking of finally switching to Prusa.

[@oleurgast730]

Actually the CoreOne is a nice step forward. If I see correctly, the bed is moved by 3 lead screws. But as there is an upgrade path from the mk4(s) to the Core one, reusing the xBuddy board, I wonder how they are connected - as the xBuddy only has one z-stepper driver. There is one unused connecter on the xBuddy however - maybe an extra driver board for additional 2 z-stepperdriver is part of the upgrade? Or do they just put the 3 z-stepper motors in parallel and allign them by driving down the bed until all motors skip?

[@Carg123]

Solo deseo que Prusa no haya utilizado un solo motor para Z y que el resto del trabajo lo haga una correa, personalmente de una Prusa espero que tenga 3 motores en Z.

[@TheOneAndOnlySatan]

@@oleurgast730 its a k1 clone so one stepper will run a belt to 3 lead screws.

[@Sergiodj453]

It’s about time, they should have done it sooner that said I’ll wait and see what the people say about it.

[@TripodsGarage]

Looks like a nice machine, has nice features. However, for the price, I would expect a bigger build volume, and multi-material.

[@ohsnapdds8494]

I couldn't agree more.

[@henrykwydra3001]

if they would make it 30^3... .the spool holders on side seems pointless for me.

[@christopherorman5769]

@@TripodsGarage build volume is what it is because it uses the MK4s bed. Again, Prusa uses parts to create an upgrade path. They aren't building a single appliance they will replace in 2 years with a whole new design. They engineer with sustainability in mind. Pretty amazing, really. No other company is close with this kind of ethos

[@oleurgast730]

The MMU3 works at the CoreOne. Bigger build volume might be nice - but lets be real, for most prints the volume is enough. If you realy need big print volume, a VCore 3.1-500 or VCore 4-500 might be the better choice (prefer the 3.1-500 as it fits through my door assembled, the 4-500 dies not fit). For ready assembled printers real big volume is a problem for shipping/delivering. Also any CoreXY is staticly overconstrained, wich causes problems with temperature changes (on my QidiX-Max3 I had a lot of problems to get realy nice prints). It is not easy scaling up, due to different themal expansion of different materials.

[@tacoversustaco]

100% would rather buy a qidi plus 4 for almost half the price and more build volume

[@dropbear9785]

Prusa has always been a bit of a premium brand (build quality, after sales service, reliability), so they've earned a certain amount of premium pricing. I like the look of their design, though it's a little small to make it compelling for current corexy owners, imho. 300mm^3 would dhave been a bit more drawing, but I'm sure they have their reasons. I like how Prusa designs are a bit more practically thought out than most Chinese printer designs, but I wonder why they opted out of using side blowers. By using that space for external storage they've made it clear that the print head airflow is all that you should need. Maybe they've done the research and found that printing > 300mm/s just isn't worth the compromise in material properties? I'd love to know their reasons. More competition is always better, though I feel this printer is about 12 months late entering the market to have maximum impact.

[@jared1321]

@@dropbear9785 the mk4s printhead fan is one of the top selling points of prusa. Overhangs and other cooling issues are best in class from what I’ve seen.

[@rob_over_9000]

@@dropbear9785 The build volume is a side effect of making this a MK4S upgrade path. IMO that’s a big mistake.

[@kaasmeester5903]

@@rob_over_9000 Could be that they'll reveal a larger XY printer without an upgrade path, it wouldn't surprise me. It would fill a gap in their line-up and it wouldn't have to cost a great deal more than the CoreOne, using mostly similar components albeit without a reasonable upgrade path from the 4S. The size of the CoreOne is just right for me personally; I print mostly functional parts that are not too large, but I also print enclosures for projects and a Mini printer would be too small. The 4S does exactly what I need it to, and upgrading to a CoreOne would reduce the footprint while enabling more materials to choose from.

[@TorianTammas]

I would have preferred a "Cube one" with 30×30×30 enclosed building space and a second printer head.

[@TorianTammas]

​@@rob_over_9000Big mistake indeed.

[@theproceedings4050]

That squigle to the side might be to input specific g code commands from a list, it honestly would be super nice.

[@Zachary3DPrints]

Oh yeah could be. Normally after G28 comes some other start g code and then printing starts. Maybe it stands for something great is being printed. I think it’s poetic

[@Sembazuru]

G28 is "home printhead" (could be G26, the picture isn't clear, which is "mesh leveling") and M84 is "disable steppers". That area on the display case on my MK4S is where the MK4S branding is. I think that is just aesthetics to fill in empty space on the display case.

[@ManuelBarner]

yep. the pictogram basicly shows a "from the beginning to the end" line of printing.

[@scotthartley5386]

Finally a modern core xy enclosed printer with a side mount spool just like my ten year old Tiertime Up Box+

[@Zachary3DPrints]

Oh great 😊

[@oneanother1]

Zachary you must get one now. Sell your other machines. Let's hope this machine lives up to expectations. I hope it doesn't have issues like the xl.

[@RetroByLaw]

Love Prusa but the price HMMMMM its not a competitive price at the moment with all the other printer with AMS systems at a lower price than just the core one

[@christopherorman5769]

Sure, then you can get a BL. But what people are missing is this: for $449, you can convert an MK4s to this corexy machine. Imagine if BL built printers where the A1 could be converted into a P1S? That means, you could take your MK2 -- yes an 8 year old printer -- and ultimately convert it into a corexy machine. I am floored that no one is going on about that, because it is pretty darn shocking -- I've never seen a company provide such an upgrade path -- even Framework doesn't go that far. The Prusa price has always been that price because of the parts they use, the upgrade path they provide, the PrusaSlicer profiles, and the support. Oh, and you get all of that with an open source history and a machine where you can literally replace and repair every part.

[@kylehough621]

I disagree. The hottest printers out right now are Bambu Labs and Prusa is usually hundreds of dollars higher for equivalent machines. This is priced exactly the same as the X1 carbon when it isn’t on sale. I think they hit it out of the park with the price.

[@michawasiljew6620]

​@@kylehough621 Prusa got better quality printing you pay extra for that

[@TheOneAndOnlySatan]

​@@christopherorman5769this prusa thing is just a creality K1 series clone, even the name hints at it.

[@jabax1038]

@@christopherorman5769 if I owned a MK4 would agree with you, but as ender 3 user that wants an astonishing new printer... For that price (I'm from Spain, its the salary of a whole month) I can get a bambu and don't have to pay extra for... the camera? Idk, it's sad but for me they're going the wrong way

[@smilertoo]

Nice but at that price point they should have made it slightly bigger.

[@Kah-Rah-Tay]

This is awesome and price is fine for what you get 🎉

[@Carg123]

En la actualidad todas las marcas deberían tener un producto de 300x300x300 o superior, a un precio razonable, y tener la posibilidad de poder comprar solo la impresora sin sistema multicolor (a muchos no nos interesan los colores). Hermosa pero pequeña.

[@taltigolt]

looks like a black k1 max

[@Carg123]

La Core One debería haber sido de 300x300x300mm.

[@kareldvo]

270*270 like AFS system printer.

[@Liberty4Ever]

Who would have thought the Prusa enclosed coreXL printer would be at cost parity with Creality's enclosed coreXY printer (albeit with a four filament changer)? There is a lot to like in the Core One, with some of the expected Prusa cleverness. Enclosing the areas on the sides in between the frame to make embedded filament feeders on the outsides to reduce the footprint is simple but ingenious.

[@Immolate62]

Prusa's vulnerability was always that a "just works" alternative would come along and displace them. CORE ONE has no track record, so they have to earn one. But today I can get a bigger printer that just works and that has a stellar track record, and with an AMS for... almost half the price of this one. So two P1S with AMS or one of these? My P1S has over 4000 hours on it with nothing ever replaced except the build plate and the hot end assembly swapped out for hardened. What do I get from Prusa other than "not China?" I think they're a brilliant company and I love what they did for my hobby. I just keep hoping they pull something out of their hat and reestablish their relevance.

[@thegarageluthier]

@@Immolate62 They have a 13 year track record?

[@Pitomio]

@@Immolate62 How do you repair idler pulleys on Bambu? Happens to my X1C and now she is in the bin...

[@michelcote]

Seem we have people entrenched in their respectives brands. Try a prusa, it's like a toyota. Not glamourous a bit pricey, but it just work day and night. Prusa are like work horses.

[@TorianTammas]

Not really I have not to upgrade my Toyota and it comes with an enclosed space. If Prusa gives me a second printing head or 30×30×30 printing space i am all in.

[@NonStick872]

Of cour....se 😂😂😂 love it!

[@Zachary3DPrints]

Yeah, you heard that right

[@NonStick872]

@Zachary3DPrints I know I did, that's why I liked to 😂

[@Happy3dprinting]

Too small, since Bambu labs are being slated for not bringing out a bigger printer, prusa brings out one with a smaller build volume!!! 😂 I am surprised at the price, that’s cheap for a prusa, prusa would be on a winner if this was 350x350x350 build size.

[@Zachary3DPrints]

At this moment, users from a MK4S can upgrade it to the Core One, which is great. Maybe Prius is going to release one that is the size of the XL

[@elvenprints]

Thought I can see you at the reveal. Kept looking for you. No Zach. I could not get my hand on the printer due to crowds of fans. I won't say a word before getting deeper into this. But Josef is lovely. Does that count as a pro?

[@Zachary3DPrints]

Hey ElvenPrints, I will be at Formnext Thursday and Friday. I really like Josef and his amazing crew

[@elvenprints]

@Zachary3DPrints then I will work on a show in Stuttgart. Next year all days of Formnext!!!

[@rob_over_9000]

What is it with Prusa that they just can’t (or won’t?) compete on price? $1200 assembled without an MMU isn’t that bad considering the X1C is going for $1450 before discount, but once you add Prusa’s MMU3 you’re over that price. Plus the camera makes it worse. On top of that, the X1C is currently selling for $1200 because it’s an outgoing model that’s due for replacement - and it has the 5 material AMS and a camera. They’re going to get killed on this unless they find a way to price it just a little more reasonably. Even if they sold the MMU3 and camera at break even prices to get the printers out there, they *have to* do something or there won’t be a Prusa for much longer.

[@christopherorman5769]

They aren't going to get killed on this, just like they sold out of the Mini, the Mini+, the MK4, and the MK4s. I do not get the camera comments from people -- this idea that a camera needs to be in every printer. We have had the ability to add cameras going back to 2017 or so on Octoprint -- and it has always been better than whatever BL (which does not allow Octoprint to be used) or even Prusa come up with. Further, if my camera fails, it is nothing more than plugging a new one in the USB port of my Pi. I'm not paying for a camera and think it is smart it is only an add on. Lastly, Prusa's upgrade kit from the MK4s to this Core One is going to sell out fast.

[@tiloalo]

@christopherorman5769 it doesn't need a camera, but Prusa is more expensive stock than most competitor products that come with those features stock.

[@christopherorman5769]

@@tiloalo Why though? If the camera stinks -- like other companies that add cameras -- then why have it? This is what I don't understand -- having useless, inadequate features just because that is the "norm." I care about print quality, consistency, and repairability. If I need to add a camera, I will use my better camera with higher FPS through my Pi then the weak cameras on other printers. Tell me this: why isn't my Octoprint compatible with a BL printer? That seems like a far bigger problem and that should be stock no matter how cheap the printer may be. The reason it isn't stock on a BL is obvious.

[@Liberty4Ever]

The price reflects manufacturing in Europe as opposed to China. Many people will pay the difference, for Prusa support, renowned reliability, maintainability and Prusa's ethics. Allowing WiFi for those who want it with the simplest possible USB printing for those who don't want an internet connected printer is exactly the way it should be. I'd be much more likely to use WiFi printing on a Prusa, knowing that they value my privacy. It's possible to print offline with a Bambu printer but the default is their Bambu cloud server and they intentionally make offline difficult to punish any customer unwilling to share their designs with Bambu. It's possible to upgrade the firmware on the Prusa Core One without connecting it to the internet.

[@YokohlCreek]

You really don't know what you are talking about, your statements are telling. Prusa is a superior product, from a superior company, and offers superior product support. So yes, it comes at a higher price, but with this printer the price alot more comparative. This will be a wildly successful printer for Prusa.

[@cxvxcbcxn]

RIP Bimbo labs 😅

[@enhidri160]

nah bruh P1S already won and is 2yrs+ old

[@ObiWanPL]

xD xD xD nice bait

[@Sembazuru]

According to the FAQ section of the announcement blog post on Prusa's website, the camera is expected to be "39.99 USD VAT excl. / 43.99 EUR VAT incl." Based on that price, I'm not sure about what quality to expect. I think I also heard somewhere that the camera isn't developed by Prusa, rather developed by a 3rd party for Prusa.

[@YokohlCreek]

Yes that is correct - 3rd party is doing the camera. Designed by Prusa, made by a 3rd party that has the manufacturing to support it. BTW - will also be for their other printers as well.

[@LuckRoller]

Sadly on the original prusa video it's just fanboys praising it. This printer feels like an mk4s with an enclosure. It's literally built from an upgrade kit. If it came out when bambulabs entered the market it would be great. Considering how an x1c with an ams costs almost as much. And also how the quality and speeds are, I can't see the prusa core one competing and only fanboys buying it. The x1c set so many benchmarks, it's almost perfect and it's hard to beat perfect print quality.

[@Liberty4Ever]

A Bambu Lab fan boy criticizing Prusa fan boys? 😀

[@jabax1038]

It's funny for me to find prusa selling us that you can put magnets on the enclosure. Nice man, you discovered the electromagnetism. Absolutely no innovation here, for the price of a bambu... I hate to say this but they are going the wrong way. And as a european, I think we should reconsider our industrial model

[@LuckRoller]

@@Liberty4Ever I'm a creality fan boy technically. But here there's just no competition lol. Nothing can beat bambulabs. My k1 is smoked.

[@jared1321]

@@LuckRoller if you watch aurora tech reviews she compares mk4s, bambu labs, and k2 plus and in certain areas the mk4s and k2 plus beat the x1c. She says the mk4s is her most used machine too as she likes the workflow and reliability.

[@christopherorman5769]

@@jared1321 exactly. Those who use printers know.

[@ivansmith654]

IMO If I am to be open, and honest about the Core One, and I love Prusa open source software with the right to repair what belongs to you what is the incentive to buy a machine that is so similarly to the MK4S starting with the same foot print when the threshold to meet or beat is the baby of all 3D printers the Bambu Lab A1 256 cube (no one wants the A1 mini) and can do 4 colors for half the price! Prusa needs to step up they game not stay the same IMO this is sad at best!

[@ora8i]

Only 300°C, no input shaping, 8 bit board, limited build size, needs camera. So errr..... why buy?

[@JohnnyP561]

I'm quite certain that the last model without IS and featuring an 8-bit board was the MK3S. Adding a camera is not a big deal either.

[@kareldvo]

mk4 is 32bits and has IS

[@YokohlCreek]

what are you talking about - its like you put down your bong and just started typing nonsense

[@winslowjoy2629]

@@ora8i incorrect on every point.

[@luishonduras]

I believe it is slower than p1s and no AMS for $1,200 ??? No way!!!

[@vysajbong4]

Hmmm.... Bambulab still win!

[@Jagjagula]

It's too little too late

[@TheOneAndOnlySatan]

Creality K1 series clone, again prusa too late and too little amd too expensive for what it is. The printhead cant reach the whole bed and the screen is still complex and low tech. Even wifi is complex with nfc tap..

[@Jpeglism]

@@TheOneAndOnlySatan tbh they do everything literally better than Creality and BambuLab's rival products with this one. For example the extruder is better, the gantry is better. The overall print quality benchmarks are better. I fail to see why it's not a plausible thing.

[@TheOneAndOnlySatan]

@Jpeglism ah you are a prusa fanboy, its prusa so its good in your eyes. Kore 1ne

[@LilApe]

Imagine saying the Core One is "low tech" when it literally shares all the same features as any modern coreXY printer. This has to be an ai bot comment becasue nobody would say a touch screen on a prusa is low tech compared to a touch screen on a creality. It's apples to apples.

[@TheOneAndOnlySatan]

@@LilApeall the same features you say? Where is the lcd for example? Its just a creality k1 series clone, even the name suggest so Kore 1ne. Hell the print head cannot even reach the whole bed ! But as long as its branded prusa the herd will follow and buy it🤣 you sure must feel stooopid sometimes. Remember the xl fiasco ? Again too late and too little from prusa

[@LilApe]

@@TheOneAndOnlySatan Bot cant even spell "core one" correctly. CCP failed you.

[@datmixednut1254]

First time I heard of it lol not interested this company charges waaaaaaay to much for their machines I can imagine this one is at least $3000

[@CarlPugh]

@@datmixednut1254 US $1,199

[@jared1321]

@@datmixednut1254 ??? It’s 949 for the kit

[@readyforlol]

It's 1050€. Less than 500€ as an upgrade kit from the 4S. Those Bambulabs bots, I swear...

[@TorianTammas]

It is 1400€ and 1100 to assemble.

[@nowinowi9232]

Nobody needs another printer like this.

[@kareldvo]

why not?

[@YokohlCreek]

For you, probably not. You can print your 3mf PLA dragon egg on pretty much any printer.

[@nowinowi9232]

@@YokohlCreek oh my little Fan Boy, you are so funny