PS5 Pro Developer Analysis, AMD Zen 5 Fine Wine, RDNA 4, UDNA | Bryan Heemskerk | Broken Silicon 275

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[@rodrigorras]

Calling 9700x Bulldozer is really something really dishonest

[@rodrigorras]

even the CCX latency is fixed now

[@billybobbob3003]

nvidia=the next 3dfx

[@vincevirtua]

These conversations are great but I feel Tom is cutting in mid-sentence a bit too much before the dev can finish a thought. Just a bit of friendly criticism.

[@TopNotchPanch]

He does this to all his guests, very annoying.

[@hupekyser]

He's not a great interviewer.

[@KoolAidManOG]

@@TopNotchPanch Yeah, he does this all the time

[@robertopazsoldan9641]

Nobody is perfect

[@epitome99]

​@@hupekyser it's not an interview. It's a conversation.

[@liberteus]

Tom, stop interrupting your guests! Let them talk as much as they want!

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

100%

[@KalkataKnightRiders]

He has ADHD, he can't help it

[@aelderdonian]

Emulating Lex Fridman is probably the best thing an interviewer could do. He's a master at guiding an interview while really letting his guests complete their ideas and just talk. At the end of the day, we're here to hear the guests point of view above all.

[@atom608]

Yeah I notice he does this alot and also dismisses alot of peoples thoughts which came come off a bit egotistical. I only watch him for the leaks but I don't really like his cockyness

[@bmqww223]

he should consider really shutting his mouth up , he only is good for leaks which he gets from other people he has no input in it , his opinion isn't worth much.... but just because he knows some insider info , he acts like he is some big shot..... like youre a leaker just give your leaks and fuck off , we don't want your dogshit opinion lol.....

[@DribbleP]

Learn to let your guest's finish what they are saying

[@Lanse1984]

You must be new

[@Piev_]

@@Lanse1984 What about it? Is it bad to point out a bad behavior and wanting it to be corrected? I'm new to this podcast series because I only watch his leak videos but I notice too that he cuts off his guest very often. I see a lot of comments pointing this out too, which is good.

[@ahettinger525]

The term for having a high-priced option to drive sales to a lower-priced one is "price anchoring." It is definitely a real thing in marketing / price psychology. The cache thing (and memory speed, too) I like to put as "all processors wait at the same speed." As long as you're waiting for higher-level cache or (worse) system memory, IPC and Clock rate don't matter because you're not doing anything anyway.

[@TheKazragore]

Remember folks, Star Wars (1977) was saved in the edit!

[@Nioh2.2]

the problem is games looked amazing years ago. a lot of games now just have higher system requierments and very little to show for it.

[@defeqel6537]

games nowadays often look worse due to the wide spread use of (bad) TAA

[@MrHav1k]

Brian is always one of your best guests. So knowledgable!

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

I'm a new viewer of this channel and this is the first video I've seen of Brian. He's smart and has a very interesting perspective on everything. Definitely time well spent. It's just a shame the host gets in his way so often.

[@epitome99]

I'm sorry you don't realize how having a conversation with another human being works. It works like this. I say things you say things. We both take turns giving our opinions on a topic or multiple topics. Ok good talk.

[@EX0007]

​@@epitome99 Except the host didn't wait for his turn to speak and kept cutting off the guest when it's still HIS turn, you're lecturing someone on conversations yet you're clueless on the very things you're talking about.

[@epitome99]

@@EX0007 you clearly have the "tism" God bless you. *pat on the head* you think a natural conversion with another human being is to raise your hand in silence and wait to be called on. From the current person speaking. Lol! You have been conditioned from God knows how many years of "formal education" congratulations you did it! You succeed at being an orderly peasant.

[@Davinmk]

@@epitome99you are condescending and are wrong

[@excitedbox5705]

I think backwards compatibility would be a good argument for getting the disc drive. What if they made the disc drive more of a hub or NAS with a HDD bay for storing games? Instead of being an add-on, it is an upgrade that adds multiple premium features.

[@mustang750r]

It amazes me how these influencers/internet personalities/journalists seem to be oblivious to what happened last generation or previous. 3 years into the PS4 life the PS4 price dropped from 399 to 299 and the PS4 pro released at 399. 4 years into the PS5 life and the price has gone up $549 from 499 in most places, and the PS5 Pro is releasing at 699. Yes, the PS5 Pro is expensive I don't think people weren't expecting it to be cheap, but most were expecting it to be cheaper than what it was announced at.

[@Pit_1209]

Thats what a once in a 100 years pandemic, 2 wars and the advent of the end of Moore's law gets you

[@60weHoodsta]

Don't forget. We got a Xbox with a spit shine and 2tb for 599 with no upgrades to performance

[@mondodimotori]

It's like tech prices are not decreasing. Like the PC market isn't alredy a sign of this.

[@sasquatchcrew]

Well, I mean the USA printed 2x the debt it had during covid, so half these prices and it probably accounts for whatever inflation exists.

[@FingolfinNoldor]

We didn't have ridiculous inflation the last time round. We might be going into stagflation era where there's low growth but high inflation which is the worst kind of economy to be in.

[@heinzbongwasser2715]

you interrupt him too much its annoying

[@Azureskies01]

To the first question: Bloodborne 2 Took me all of no seconds to decide that. Also Legacy of Kain is based

[@MartinKrafft]

In my opinion, there is no reason to switch from gen A to gen B. I usually switch when I am no longer satisfied with the performance and then go back to high-end. For me, that usually corresponds to 4 generations of CPUs and 2 or 3 generations of GPUs.

[@snakeinabox7220]

Same. but currently games are trying to get to photo realism , and its not efficient . But i assume my 7800xt is going to last me till Rdna6/70xx series . Then mid range cards will smash the 4090 in every way .

[@snakeinabox7220]

@@auturgicflosculator2183 we are Very very close now . Cyberpunk 2077 woth Pathtraceing and a few mofs gets Very close. On top of other ue5 games that get close like unrecord. With a few minot improvements. Next gen High end gpus Can do photo realistic . Its just a matter of time till it gets wide spread .

[@fredsorre6605]

Never been a fan of the hide away simulators that seems to have become a norm in the Horror genre in the past few years Silent Hill has already proven that you don't need to take away a players ability to fight back in order to produce a good horror game and yet they have become so prevalent in horror games especially from indie titles that its been utterly annoying to see.

[@jx9737]

Yay Heemskerk is back!

[@bobbobhouse312]

Not lying about audio on pc. Certain games will have the audio go wonky or disconnect my headphones altogether

[@Noisy_Cricket]

The Series S conversation makes me think that GTA 6 isn't going to come out on it. It seems like developing for it is becoming a waste of time.

[@bluetech2809]

They will make a version for it and then say to Microsoft "hey do you want it or not, it's ready, it's not perfect but it's ready". After all Series S is 75% of 29m units which is like what over 20m units. It's still 20m units. If anything MS is lucky that the Series X is so close to PS5 specs wise because think how tiny the Series X installed base is.

[@Mike-sf7ex]

@@bluetech2809 You guys are absolute clowns. Handheld PCs don't even come close to Series S performance and they are a major part of the market moving forward. It would be in the developers best interest to make these games scalable and optimized as best as possible. Especially with mobile smartphone processors being able to run games like UE5 Fortnite and COD, RE. Raw power doesn't mean shit when you have games like Jedi Survivor or that turd Last of Us PC port

[@coffee7180]

@@Mike-sf7ex min 1:00:40 he talks about how ghost of Toshima is the minimal requirement for PC and the series s isn't able to run it, completely forgot that it came out on PS4 and run on 30 fps on it.

[@fredEVOIX]

@@Mike-sf7ex battlefield has fallen sadly but since the 2 or 3 they had insane graphical scaling one of the 1st game that could do 4K before 4K was a thing with their upscaling of 1080p and on the same engine you can make the game run at 320x240p if you want

[@Mike-sf7ex]

@@coffee7180 MLID is not credible. The AMD and Nvidia equivalents for GoT minimum requirements aren't even comparable cards. The GTX 960 has only 2.4 tflops and guess what? The steam deck with just 1.6 tflops is able to run this game at 1080p40fps. The series S has 4 tflops. It can for sure run that game.

[@buzzmixer]

AMD said UDN6 and UDNA7 (not UDNA5). RDNA4->RDNA5->UDNA6->UDN7? Maybe.

[@GabrielCarvalho-gd8op]

I don't think the comparison with the 3300X vs PS5 to prove that it can easily do 60fps is fair. 1 - chiplet vs monolithic 2 - 16MB cache vs 8MB and we know ryzen loves cache 3 - Zen2 had 4 cores CCX, and we've seen quite a few instances where the 3300X was faster than the 3600X (DF uses the 3600 as similar CPU horsepower to the PS5) 4 - Dedicated low latency ~51GB/s (3200MT/s) + whatever the GPU you want has dedicated to it vs shared high bandwidth high latency 448GB/s 5 - 3.8GHz (base) - 4.3GHz (turbo) vs fixed 3.6GHz Also, there are plenty of newer games examples that are very CPU limited and as mentioned, RT kills the CPU too

[@Razzbow]

I really think the only reason the CPU had like 200MHz added to it was because they added alot more GPU instructions when it comes to BVH creation and traversal.

[@syncmonism]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that part of the purpose of the larger cache sizes used with chiplet based Zen CPUs is to mitigate the potential latency penalty of the communication between I/O chiplet and CPU chiplet, so I believe you can get away with having a smaller cache with a monolithic Zen CPU, at least to some extent.

[@fredEVOIX]

yep something I learned with a 3090 then 4090 RT should be considered like a 2nd parallel GPU the cpu now has to talk to two different people at the same time this isn't free this also explains why watts are a limiting factor in RT gaming for the same reason and probably why the next nvidia will go higher it's like having 2 engines in a single car

[@BonesJonesUK]

Why do you think people aren't as mad with Xbox releasing a Series X console at $600, but they hate Sony for releasing a $700 console with upgraded components and features?

[@axelstuart2707]

Why do people get mad if the new Iteration of a game or an highly anticipated game comes out worse than it could be? Because they care. Less and less people even care about the xbox. But with sony we had some awesome 1st party titles at the end of the ps4, start of ps5 and people hope that to be the case again

[@proggz39]

I think because after a decade of blunders and more recently even Xbox fanboys moving over to pc, not that many people care about what Xbox is doing. Meanwhile anything Sony does will be a hot topic for however long and people online in general just like to hate on Sony. Not that a lot of it isn’t warranted

[@Meton2526]

Because people don't have a basic understanding of economics, so any time a company sells a product for a price they don't like, it's "Price gouging" or "Corporate greed".

[@BonesJonesUK]

@@axelstuart2707 not following you here. People are mad about the price, not the quality of the console. The Pro is a great bit of kit, only $100 more than a less powerful Series X, but people aren't mad about the Xbox costing $600.

[@axelstuart2707]

@@BonesJonesUK I'm not talking about the quality. I am just saying that people care for the brand Playstation, they just don't care about Xbox. They could make the xbox $6000 or $300. People, or let's say most people, would be like: "Meh, I didn't think about buying one anyways." People were excited about the pro and are now dissapointed about the price. Nobody gets mad about Xbox, because nobody gives a shit about that console anymore. It's all very subjective.

[@nabieladrian]

I'd rather swap the 2TB back than having no Disc Drive.

[@jarde1989]

For real… That extra TB is cheap af on Black Friday. I’ll just add it myself lol

[@AnEyeRacky]

​@@jarde1989 so will the drive and stand lol

[@zodwraith5745]

This is what I think is the biggest fail of the Pro. How can you call it a "Pro" when it lost some features of the base model? You're trying to sell it to existing customers but remove the disc drive that they already had so most likely already have discs? It's a thinly veiled money grab and it will be interesting to see how many people are _that_ stupid.

[@420247paul]

id rather it be optional so you can buy it if you want later. i got a blu ray drive to put it in it its in my slim

[@zodwraith5745]

@@420247paul It's more that you're being _charged_ so much more as if it DID have it included. Yes, it should be optional but the price should be far lower. Especially when you know the price difference in the dies is only about $18-$24. Removing the drive and stand would have easily covered the extra for the larger SSD as well as the slightly bigger die leaving the price the same as the non-Pro. This is pure profiteering and only because they know MS isn't making a mid-gen refresh.

[@MafinPhoenix]

Thank you for the great episode. I enjoy the episodes with Bryan so much. Its quite interesting every time

[@pojourdenais]

I keep rewatching this part, but are you saying at 16:53 that the XSX does 'not' have a disc drive? Because it sure does. The robot white digital Series X doesn't, but the regular black 1TB XSX does.

[@curryking1]

Always great content thank you ❤❤❤

[@Jermitis209]

Series X does still come in a 1TB model with a disc drive. It isn’t just the 2TB model.

[@Azureskies01]

AMD non-x3d should be 16 core and maybe 12 cores. There is no point in coming out with other chips unless they are so much cheaper than the comparable x3d parts that it probably isn't worth it.

[@anonymous-rj6ok]

On Zen 5 I feel no one is talking about the elephant in the room. What will the 9600 and 9700 non-X look like? Are they cancelled given the X-versions are already running at 65W tdp?

[@Peter.H.A.Petersen]

The 5700x was also 65W ... If there's enough chiplets that can't hit 9700x's frequency or AMD wants to make a lower priced CPU, they'll make non-X versions!

[@MrGivmedew]

F.E.A.R. Was one of my favorite horror games. Had some of the best jump scares.

[@antwango]

PS3 i never completed it! i remember it being quite good... i heard it was obviously better on PC... ive still got it on my PS3 too just havent had the time

[@fredEVOIX]

it had a somewhat smart AI which at the time we tought would become the norm but instead it degraded to end up with star wars outlaws, in fear if you shoot a weapon almost all the map npcs will converge on your position and not only that but from different pathways you can't just wait in a corridor you have to move and cover more than one side, a simple but game changing feature, a slightly tweaked skyrim does the same btw as the noise impact can be changed to alert enemies further than vanilla leading them to come see what's going on rather than wait

[@dyelon13]

Was flabbergasted when I saw Resistance 3 on the PlayStation plus classic library earlier this week. Why just 3? And also why not advertise that at least one of them is available to play?

[@ToxMod]

17:13 FACTS

[@WujoFefer]

I love your "Broken SIlicon Logo" LEGACY OF KAIN!!!!!!!!!!! I NEED REMAKE!!!!!!!

[@thomasburchsted3287]

I won’t lie I love my 7950X3D PCs. Great for my BMX videos and great for gaming. If they release the 9950X3D I will buy it, but when is it coming?

[@J-Kimble]

Yeah people badmouthed the dual ccd x3d chips, but I love my 7900x3d. it's a great mix of productivity and gaming performance

[@ramonzaions7522]

Wating for 9800X3D !

[@syncmonism]

Because 638 fps is so much better than 552 fps! ;P

[@ramonzaions7522]

@@syncmonism Wating for 9800X3D !

[@rattlehead999]

@@ramonzaions7522 what's the point the when GPU is the bottleneck if you have Zen 3 or newer.

[@jordan-mn6yy]

Quit anouncing it to the world its not going to help anyone

[@ramonzaions7522]

@@jordan-mn6yy I don't want to help anyone... I'm saying I'm waiting for the 9800X! Does this hurt you?

[@defeqel6537]

Without a disc drive the EU will force Sony to open up Playstation to 3rd party digital stores, so good chance Sony will keep the external disc drive alive for quite a while

[@pofeed]

Paper Mario is such a goated IP. I still replay the N64 Paper Mario every few years, it's pure joy.

[@evilsatorii]

It’s funny to see some videos on KZbin with people comparing GPU in PS5 Pro to 6800 XT or even 6700 XT😂

[@MooresLawIsDead]

Yeah well some people compared the PS5 to (2016) Pascal, so what can you do? Stupid always exists...

[@vigilant_1934]

I mean if the PS5 Pro's GPU is around 7800XT performance then it's close to a 6800XT anyway. Did you forget the early 7800XT reviews that show it barely beating previous gen and sometimes even performing worse? It has the advantage in ray tracing of course but as far as pure gaming performance there's not a big difference at all.

[@mondodimotori]

Yeah, the disc drive is also the thing that's bugging me the most. I alredy have a decent enough PC planned for work (rendering and shit like that) that will run games much better than any console until the next gen drops, so I wanted a console to play all those games from this and previous gen that didn't come out on PC. And the PS5 Pro would've been the definitive machine to do that. But in this use case scenario a disc drive is very important, because the used games market is extremely important to recover older gems for cheap. And having to shill more money over the alredy pretty high entry price is bugging me. I'm actually considering on getting an used fat PS5, that doesn't even require to activate the disc drive online. And GTA 6 is still gonna run on that.

[@GenX_in_the_wild]

Do you have a steam account?

[@tstager1978]

Tom, I would love it if you could find out more about the development of zen5 especially the effects of starting from the zen2 code base.

[@smashallpots1428]

yay probably one of my favorite guests

[@udaria6696]

Check Techpowerup. The 6800 is apx 45% than the 6700 gpu which is roughly equivalent to the one in ps5. Given that the PS guys have said upto 45% improvement. and I can bet you that the PS5 Pro will not beat the rx6800 in performance except in RT

[@valonfazlija889]

Okey but have u seen videos on 7800xt at same clocks than a 6800 at 2.2ghz and it was between 10-20%faster this gpu is not rdna 2 it's 3+ I think that the 45%faster is the least that it can do on avg 50/60% faster just look at gpu is 67%larger and have better newer cu s the 45% maby is the on some games the memory bandwidth or cpu that's the bottleneck but we should see on soke games more than 50 % 😊

[@vitorhugoreale6572]

Provavelmente o ps5 pro vai fazer mais que 45% nos jogos, principalmente exclusivos. Acho que essa métrica que a Sony utilizou é para o desenvolvedor sem fazer muito esforço ter pelo menos 45% a mais de poder.

[@valonfazlija889]

Yes this is what's on my mind to even with ps5 they didnt hype the consol before lunch but when it came out everyone was surprised how good it was against xbox and saying that i think its better this way and have some surprise when it lunches ​@@vitorhugoreale6572

[@ricardovieiradasilva6902]

@@vitorhugoreale6572 Esse numero de 45% de performance maior em relação ao PS5 Base, é baseado apenas em potencia bruta.

[@mondodimotori]

That's not GPU improvement, but overall rendering improvement from the general architecture. It's still 60 compute units from RDNA4. Not RDNA2, not RDNA3. 4.

[@epitome99]

Great episode! 🎉

[@Patrick-tw7nr]

Tom, need to do an update on the Switch 2 rumors as looking like what you talked about months ago are pretty much inline with what you reported as far as specs of system.

[@TheDrunkeNNN]

Why does increasing cache not boost IPC? When the ALU sits around waiting for data from RAM, its not executing instructions -> lower IPC. I guess any decomposition how much every piece in the puzzle increases IPC is pretty much irrelevant for every end user. What matters is instructions per seconds and instructions per watt. It is however of extreme interest for competitors and internal design teams. Not saying that its not interesting, I just think that for the average consumer, its not relevant.

[@rattlehead999]

because increasing cache capacity slows down its speed and increases latency at the same time, you need balance. So now the small instructions and data that don't need more cache are slower, but the bigger ones get faster. You need to balance it according to the width of the core.

[@Rubik43]

+45% is ONLY raster, you have to account 300 TOPS for ML, so if before when you activated the fsr 2 and you used 12 cu for upscaling and 24 in raster now you can use all 60 cu for the raster and another 300 tops for upscaling...

[@Zastrutzki]

Yeah, we're all nervous about Bloober doing Silent Hill.

[@alphaj9]

Can’t wait to try the PRO out

[@elbuglione]

Market NEEDS a SteamBox. This is the moment in history.

[@Traumatree]

We need Steam OS 3.0 that can be installed on any X86 and play games on it.

[@mondodimotori]

Great. Let's take a look at the price of the Steam Deck. Launch price between US$399-US$649. Yikes. And for what is basically a PC with a locked down store.

[@elbuglione]

​@@mondodimotori SteamBOX is not for you or me.... Some people wants "simple consoles". And nowadays, Playstation is not competing with lower price.

[@TheDiner50]

@@mondodimotori Are you serious? RTX 3060 Ti, Feb 23, 2022, $399 MSRP. Steam Deck, February 25, 2022, $399. And that is for a hole PC. CPU/RAM/Controller/Screen. A mobile device! PSP back in 2005 went for $249. SteamDeck is also not a locked down store. It is meant to be repaired, (taken apart and fixed) and used as a PC. Soon it is going to even have support to boot into Winblows Native. This is 100% abused. A locked down store? Steam works on Windows and Linux. WindowsStore and AppleStore do not = Steamdeck. PlaysationStore = Steamdeck. If Epic Games want to support Steamdeck? No Problem! You want to install GoG games on Steamdeck? No problem! You can even do legal backups of SNES or whatever. No problem! Try and do that on a Switch or Windows OS. Windows 10 S. That is what locked down store looks like. Or PS/Xbox. Yea sure it is quite stuck with a single Linux distro (SteamOS) to truly be easy to use. But even then it is a device your showns by the * makers/seller of the device how you would go about chaining parts like fans/battery/controller sticks. SteamOS itself is pretty much a working, (and fully fledged out) Arch distro too. Meaning that the Steamdeck is as usable to do Zen5%+RX 7000XT desktop tasks in Linux... A RX 7000XT or Zen5% are useless without a screen too! Value to value Stemdeck is king. This is not locked down at all! This thing has the decency and bare minimum of letting you replace the explosive bomb in your device! (Lithium bats are no joke.) There is literately nothing even close to locked down on this device. It is less locked down then the average * modern laptop! No glue nothing. Send in a Apple product to Apple? Woops your life is uploaded to the social medias by the staff. And the SSD is soldered down to the board. So no way it is getting out of there. You are not even allowed to open it up without braking warranty... Pretty much the same with any modern laptop too. Apple walled garden. Android. FreeBSD... I mean Playstation OS. Xbox -1. Winblows support? That is a feature. Not a bug. Nice of Steam to add support of Windows still. If only to show how awful of a OS it is for a handheld. Let alone for anything but what your forced to use it for. Even Chrome OS is preferable over Windows. Since 99% of the time people are only on the web anyways.

[@mondodimotori]

​​@@elbuglione and do you expect steam to compete on lower prices with the current pricing of pc components? Either they actually compete with Sony with a standardised machine that can be produced in scale (like the Deck), or they'll end up like the older steam boxes. But don't expect it to be a 400$ machine.

[@AniRayn]

Petition for Tom to start using the phrase "5D chess", instead of "4D chess", because: 1. more Ds - more impact 2. real chess is arguably 4D already

[@19cmgang]

Introducing 5D chess,with 25% more D's from last gen

[@bobo-cc1xw]

Ai 5d chess. Need to get more ai per minute

[@bluetech2809]

UDNA lol "fool me once but" comes to mind. We all should assume as our baseline that AMD is not going to "come back" in the GPU space and then IF they do, it'll be a pleasant surprise.

[@aweskr]

I always said AMD should post Radeon graphics stickers on all consoles for mind share. Similar to what ati did on Gamecube. Something so simple would create massive mindshare and awareness.

[@AdelaideBen1]

Am I missing something - why don't you have details for your guest in the description? I mean - not even a name!

[@MooresLawIsDead]

I do lol. Do you have even reading comprehension?

[@AdelaideBen1]

@@MooresLawIsDead seriously dude... as I said, "am I missing something"... so someone that doesn't watch your channel, I was very interested in knowing who the guest was from the description. And you're right - it is there (right down the bottom). That's on me... but you just lost a viewer for being such an ass-hat in your response. Edit - and I don't know... maybe don't bury your much better guests at the bottom of a mega long description text dump.

[@stevenliu1377]

Intel's instruction-density-based AVX512 throttling implementation was actually pretty stupid, so Bryan's AVX512-accelerated UI mixed instruction scenario adaptation probably wouldn't have happened even if Intel had kept AVX512 on their client Alder Lake/Raptor Lake CPUs. If an Intel processor sees a light sprinkling of AVX512 instructions, it will execute them non-accelerated (as a series of lighter instructions) without using using the AVX512 hardware. Once the AVX512 instructions hit high enough density, the CPU will preemptively throttle the CPU back to something like 2GHz and start to execute AVX512 instructions with actual AVX512 hardware because it generates so much heat. For loading games, it may be fine, but mixing AVX512 instructions in for UI? Well, either the AVX512 instructions run without AVX512 hardware acceleration (pointless) or your CPU throttles to like 2GHz in the middle of the game (disastrous). AMD doesn't Forest Gump their processors this way. You can mix in AVX512 instructions as little or as much as you want, it's always accelerated and the throttling is voltage/amp/thermal. For servers which perform specific tasks with very high AVX512 instruction density, the Intel implementation is not a disqualifying problem, the AVX512 acceleration is well worth the big frequency nerf, which is why probably Intel kept it for their server chips. AVX512 optimization help so much when you optimize for it that it's worth gimping your clock like that. When Zen5 Turin server chips come out, that +95% AVX512 instruction speed over Zen4 is going to be a hell o' lot o' fun for a whole lot of servers. Intel recently released an AVX512 optimization update for PostgreSQL a few weeks back (it was something like +40% speed boost or something). The jokes on the forums were like "Hey, somebody get down to the office and shoot those idiots! They just handed AMD the win!"

[@Ironclad17]

1:20:00 Thank you! I've been saying that since Zen 4 launched.

[@tj_2701]

Wasn't Win11 specifically created so that people new they had the windows update of Win10 that was specifically designed to properly use Intel big little CPUs. Remember Win10 was ment to be the last named version of windows with continuous updates just like Mac OS X.

[@fredEVOIX]

true I was forced on it because of my 13900k that burnd I should go back to 10 with amd

[@bes12000]

PS5 Pro basically: 7800XT Raster, 4070 level RT ..it's what I been gathering from all the leaks, Sony Themselves said RT capabilities better than any AMD card out there and my 7900XTX can RT like a champ, cyberpunk im getting 60FPS with path tracing and psycho settings at 1440P Ultrawide(with FSR of course), the PS5 Pro will be 1440p upscaled to 4k most likely.

[@darkfire3691]

rx 7900 XTX is on par with 3080 in RT Cyberpunk and 4060 with path tracing... It's definetely not a champ.

[@saesang352]

If it’s actually as fast as 7800 XT in raster with RDNA4 RT and AI silicone, this thing is gonna be an absolute monster.

[@wanshurst2416]

why should it be 7800xt level when shadercount says 7700XT and clockspeed doesn't even reach the level of a 7700XT? in addition to that are you sure what you are writing about your 7900XTX? when i watch this "Cyberpunk 2077 2.1 Path Tracing 1440p FSR | 7900 XTX | R9 7950X 3D". a 7900XTX gets 30-40 fps and he is only playing at 1440p and not like you 1440p ultrawide which needs additional 20-30% power because of more pixels. how exactly do you achieve 60 fps? what do you even mean "with pathracing and psycho settings"?

[@venomr6rider]

Guess you havent heard of frame gen... ​@wanshurst2416

[@1Grainer1]

@@wanshurst2416 because pipeline is different, for example Xbox uses different Direct X implementation that's dedicated for it, reducing overhead as much as possible, so consoles can give more performance with same specs

[@He_isI]

In this episode, our hero Tom interviews Professor Xbot😂😂😂.

[@benknapp3787]

It's probably around a 7600XT, which has 16GB of VRAM and is generally paired with a system that has 16 or 32gb of RAM. Everyone is saying the performance is similar to the 7700XT, but I highly doubt it.

[@evilsatorii]

Wrong, it’s more like 7800 XT but with better RT performance

[@syed2694]

It can't be a 7600XT because the base PS5 is at that level of performance give or take

[@benknapp3787]

@syed2694 We know it's not going to be as powerful as a 7800XT and no one is doubting that. 7700XT is probably a good comparison.

[@mikem2253]

I feel like an oddity where I have my PC attached to my LG C1 and home theatre without any issues.

[@tstager1978]

Now that Cyberpunk 2077 got fsr3, my 7900xtx handles path tracing pretty damn well. I'm getting 90-110 smooth fps at 1440p fsr quality mode. It plays great.

[@ghostops6859]

I really like the guest, but let him finish his side of the conversation before you move on to the next topic ,Tom I know you're time bound but please make an effort to Let these interesting people share their views uninterrupted . Great show as always ty

[@jtd8719]

$80 for an add-on disc drive is bullshit considering the actual hardware cost. FFS, should have made it compatible with any USB drive and let people bring their own if they already own one.

[@mytech6779]

AVX512 is not a monolithic ISA extension there are a half dozen or more AVX512 instruction modules. (I have heard as many as 20 compile flags) Sort of like the modular nature of the RISC-V isa. To smooth this modularity issue with developers, Intel anounced AVX10 last year, which is not a new capability it is a new naming system and reorganization of the SIMD stack with every successive versioning being a superset of the prior version (eg AVX10.2/512 will be all of AVX10.1/512 plus a few features, and AVX10.2/256 would have the same features as AVX10.2/512 but limited to 256bit registers).

[@fracturedlife1393]

xtx's occasionally down to £750 now. Unlock up to 552w with the Aqua Extreme bios workaround 🔥

[@Frost-12-03]

If they announce the ps5 and the stands sold out that pretty much tells you how this is gonna go

[@ofon2000]

Great video as usual...I must admit I'm getting impatient for an upgrade from my 3060 ti for my 1440p high refresh rate monitor.

[@armedhyde1448]

What game was being tested? Was it a particularly demanding game or an Indie title?

[@kwakes212]

isnt the rumored specs of the ps5 pro, and the specs of the 7800mobile that came out basically the same?

[@VladZotta]

Somehow, you two did a better job of selling the PS5 Pro than Sony did.

[@gaminggarbage22]

A sequel? 🤔 I'd do G-Police. The tech today would make a campaign sequel of that game amazing

[@stephenh9483]

this is brilliant!!!!!!!!!!

[@eli.k9190]

Where's the Tim from HUB episode? Is that next week?

[@mRibbons]

I was just playing Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver over the weekend. The whole LoK franchise still has more to give.

[@solidreactor]

Backwards compatibility could be solved if AMD releases a Xilinx FPGA chiplet to the chip package ;) Would be expensive but you could run anything on it if you load the correct configuration, so one Xilinx chip could possibly run any/all of the older PS

[@jordan-mn6yy]

Theres no issue having a pc on your tv once you get wireless mouse and kb. the only reap affect is that it will use more electricity than a console would

[@michaeloconnor119]

I bought the 9600X. Upgraded from the 7600X. In synthetic benchmarks, it is 10-15% better. Real gaming gains are currently meh. I game at "4K" native with a 7900XTX. To be honest, when i went from the 5600X to the 7600X, it was much the same.

[@kevinerbs2778]

You should've got 7700x or 9700x keep the 6 core is limiting you more than you think.

[@Fractal_32]

Do you use Windows or Linux? (Linux seems to have the performance gains AMD claimed.) Additionally you may be GPU limited and that’s why you don’t see an uplift in performance.

[@michaeloconnor119]

I know the 7900 XTX isn't the 4090, but GPU limited? I doubt it. I'm happy with my performance and think I've got a good "marrying" of components. I use Win 11. I have a Linux boot drive - That I don't use, lol.

[@JimFeig]

They just released the updated firmware that fixes the intercore latency

[@dysnomia1132]

When comes fsr3.1 to Xbox series x? Specially for Halo Infinte, the 120 frames mode looks blurry...

[@bes12000]

Also Stellar Blade had to use balance or performance mode due to it lagging on Quality mode, I would probably be amazing on the PS5 Pro but it's been confirmed coming tot he PC now so ill just wait for that.

[@hellcoreproductions]

Sony want that juicy slice of selling you your already owned games every generation or two that Nintendo conned their customers into.

[@wertigon]

I am interested in Heemskerks opinion on Godot 4.0 -> 4.3 improvement, still some ways to go before it becomes the obvious choice over Unity, but I think with the current improvement Unity needs to do something soon or end up with an IE vs Netscape situation (the free software is as good or better than the paid software).

[@Patrick-tw7nr]

Good vid! Can you get an update on next Switch? Seeing a lot of rumors about production starting

[@aweskr]

Mantle became Vulcan, it went somewhere

[@TheHeadhunter85]

UDNA feels like VEGA architecture all over again, hope that it really steps up the game against Nvidia.

[@xemtra]

great show

[@ChristmasCrustacean1]

my opinion, AMD should drop the X suffix skus and release low power SKUs (with coolers) and the X3D skus and call it a day, if someone wants to enable PBO on the low power skus then go nuts.

[@joelschwartz4679]

considering that a 7800 xt is 72 percent faster than a ps5 that's why people think the ps5 pro is a rx 6800 since that gpu is already 44 percent faster than a base ps5

[@rattlehead999]

The GPU in the PS5 pro has 70%+ more CUs, but the bandwidth increase is only 28.5%, but at the same time RDNA4/3.5 needs less bandwidth. IDK what the bottleneck is if it's not the memory bandwidth, because RDNA 3 is 10-12% faster than RDNA2 per CU, RDNA 3.5 is 10-12% faster than RDNA 3 per CU and then you have 70% more CUs and lower bandwidth requirements...

[@joelschwartz4679]

@@rattlehead999 the base ps5 is a hybrid of rdna 1 and 2 not rdna 3 and they are comparing the raw performance uplift being up to 45 percent faster than the base machine not a rdna 3 based gpu that clocks 500-600 mhz higher than the ps5 pro does

[@mxrandolph4539]

Im picking up that ps5pro. Yeah, it's overpriced, but I still want it.

[@60weHoodsta]

Facts😂

[@mondodimotori]

I wantend to do that, but the lack of included disc drive is quite an off. I alredy have a PC powerfull enough, but I wanted to get the definitive PS console to play both this and last gen games that didn't launch of PC. And the oldest of those games are available only as discs.

[@joshp7418]

Same. Already got my disc drive, I'm hyped!

[@Lionheart1188]

lame

[@mxrandolph4539]

@@Lionheart1188 sadness and pity for you.

[@shawnarwood]

Snagged a 7600 and a good b650 for $160 each before the x3d from best buy of all places. Still wishing i bought the sapphire nitro 7900xtx(new) for $700 i seen, definitely not seeing that price again.

[@pilsen8920]

You have any clue how many Sony AMD graphics cards they would sell in Japan alone? I bet it would be crazy. They should do a Japan and Taiwan only release.

[@michaelmcgehee5932]

Building destruction in gta6? That's the first I'm hearing of that. Cool!

[@kevinerbs2778]

And grass will still be transparent and no move aroubd when you walk through it. Theres only 5 games with dynamic vegeitation.

[@rattlehead999]

@@kevinerbs2778 That is the most irrelevant thing to a game ever... that's why AAA games cost hundreds of millions of dollars and suck...

[@kevinerbs2778]

@@rattlehead999 it's called immersion d i p s h i t

[@relucentsandman6447]

I could understand Xbox mandating a minimum resolution of 1080p, the only reason I haven't bought a PS5 yet is because Sony lets the devs push 720p dynamics resolution for performance mode. I would genuinely prefer dropping frames or just play something else at that point.

[@MrGivmedew]

I don’t think Microsoft wants the XBOX anymore. I honestly thought they’d use it as a vehicle for ARM but I don’t think that anymore. I think they are pushing people to PC.

[@nihilityjoey]

Utter rubbish

[@rattlehead999]

The console market hasn't grown almost at all since 2011. While microsoft has grown a ton. There are about 30 billion dollars per year in the console market, while the phone market is over 100 billion per year and PC has 45 billion per year. Meaning that consoles are the least profitable form of gaming nowadays.

[@VoldoronGaming]

Yeah the 3d vcache cpu specifically the 5800x3d was an earthquake in market disruption in the cou landscape and then came along lower end X3D models consumers have learned to wait it out for the reasons you stated: now everybody knows what their options are so moving forward vcache models need to come out along with the non vcache models and as amd have seen: they all sell.

[@Pavlobot5]

No love for Duke Nuke , this is so sad

[@Orain88]

Saying "hey look they sold out of the disc drives so it must be popular" is silly. They got bought out by scalpers. Utter nonsense that would never happen if sony offered a disc edition.

[@BastyTHz]

i hope RDNA4 wont slower than ps5 pro. we need big L1 L2 cache.

[@rattlehead999]

RDNA4 will not be slower than the PS5 pro for sure. I just hope it's under 225W and 500$ or less.

[@skeletonbow]

I have a 5950X/128GB currently and was eagerly anticipating building a 9950X/128GB in Q1 2025, but the incredibly disappointing performance of Zen 5, especially the 9950X, and the excessive price premium over Zen 4 compared to the benefit completely killed my intentions. Also, getting 128GB of RAM to work on AM5 with good performance is just not possible with current motherboards and CPUs, and I don't want a downgrade in RAM. The new computer was not a necessary build but a "would be nice" secondary computer, but because of the high price and lack of gains gen over gen it just doesn't make any sense for me. I don't believe Zen 5 X3D is going to be any better either so I'm completely abandoning the build and waiting for Zen 6 instead. I'm going to put the money I was going to put into the Zen 5 build into buying a high end NVIDIA 5000 series GPU instead.

[@Snarfnado]

Bryan saying “calcuated” makes my teeth hurt.

[@Azureskies01]

UDNA is just GCN 5.0. I'm not happy about it and no one else should be either..

[@kevinerbs2778]

UDNA will have to incude RDNA inside of it somehow it is not juat GCN 5.0. I think you mean CDNA is GCN 5 0.

[@Azureskies01]

@@kevinerbs2778 No because GCN was purpose built to be compute focused that just happened to play games alright. If they are combining their gaming and their compute focused cards that means they will be doing the same damn thing they did with GCN. I'm not interested in it at all.

[@rattlehead999]

@@Azureskies01 Well Nvidia's architecture is already their own GCN.

[@kevinerbs2778]

@@Azureskies01 you are completely wrong & don't have a clue.

[@Azureskies01]

@@kevinerbs2778 No im completely right and everyone should be sus as fuck of AMD saying they are just going back to a unified architecture. Come back to this comment in 5 years when they have far more compute than nvidia but way less performance, again.