PS5 Pro 120Hz Leak, Intel Lunar Lake Review, Nintendo Switch 2, AMD Zen 5 Strix | Broken Silicon 276

[@MooresLawIsDead]

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[@Intelwinsbigly]

The red outline around the video made me think I already saw this and I almost didn't watch... Thought you should know.

[@ragingmonk6080]

You do not tell us the dev or the game. Yet we are expected to think that the PS5 Pro can run CP 2077 on ultra at 120 Hz. Either put it in context or keep the BS to yourself. Gamers Nexus said the base PS5 is at GTX 1070 / Vega 56 level at best. Sony said the Pro is like 45% better which means 35% on average. If we give it 50%, which Sony did NOT claim. We are looking at RX 6600 XT performance. It may run a mobile game at 120 Hz. Who cares?

[@ADB-zf5zr]

NEWS for you to cover, Linux security issue given a severity of 9.9 on a scale of 10, things like Heartbleed, Meltdown and Spectre were 5.6 at the most... This is so severe that nothing has been published (or seemingly leaked thankfully as 99% of the worlds servers run on Linux) yet, and the info will start coming out from September 30th, officially October 6th. I thought this would be worthy of at least a mention, and then perhaps once the details come out you can give it it's own news segment, or perhaps dedicated news video with a Linux security expert, I would watch that and I have Linux servers here at home and this is obviously very concerning for me as I imagine it is for most of your audience.! Keep up the great work guys.

[@thereddog223]

Pro shouldn't be about 600

[@thereddog223]

78003d is 400 most places

[@andrasrazvan]

Am an engineer at Intel, i have a comment about LNL pricing. The reason why LNL is so expensive is because we still produce it at TSMC Fabs. New intel Fabs are not yet ready for production and old ones are not capable to produce this nodes. Next node, PTL (Panther Lake) focused on mobile devices will be produced on Intel Fabs, so it will be much cheaper and more performant. Intel is in bad spot now, but the future is bright :D

[@oysterhead5150]

I'm hoping Arrow Lake with be competitive when it releases.

[@HalP-fz3iy]

Found Pat's alt account

[@derek8564]

@@oysterhead5150 it wont be, even if it is people are going to wait a year before buying it.

[@VoldoronGaming]

@@oysterhead5150supposedly about 8% faster than a 9950x. Their ultra 9

[@bobcoffee11]

Didn't Intel bosses have a reality check when they first price checked TSMC. It was so cheap Intel couldn't compete with it.

[@rodrigoferreiramaciel4815]

Hey guys, I just wanted to say thank you. I'm a follower for a couple of years and I've literally watched every single video since then, and I even like rewatching whatever is the last video or live a couple times until another one is available. This channel has for me become like a habit of comfort. I listen to it somewhat frequently when I go to sleep some days, because anxiety and ADHD makes it hard to turn my thoughts off. My gf once said to me that when we are not seeing each other for some days she likes to enter this channel and put the phone to play any video of yours to sleep as well. She couldn't care less about tech, but she says that the sounds of your voices reminds her of my presence and for that I can only be grateful. Thanks.

[@MooresLawIsDead]

No, thank you for your support. I have ADHD as well - I totally understand, and cherish the podcasts I listen to. :)

[@randalldraco3822]

Yup, I started to listen it to sleep in covid. Works like a charm

[@easyygo3008]

You are the first one that actually calls out the $599.99 series x that no one is calling out but is way worse value than ps5 pro.

[@wile123456]

Did they raise the price? Didnt it release for 500

[@Lanse1984]

​@@wile123456the 2TB is 599

[@sirramslot5480]

Because no one cares about Xbox anymore. 😢

[@neilranson4185]

Good value you mean, ever thought maybe this is what modern hardware now costs

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

​@@sirramslot5480 they brought this upon themselves

[@maverickvgc4220]

Kinda crazy to think that the new Switch is launching with hardware relatively older than the OG one. Tegra was 1.5 gens old (we were halfway through Pascal and the thing was still running Maxwell), this new chip is going to be at least 2 gens old at launch

[@deansmits006]

Meh, it's fine

[@Malinkadink]

@@deansmits006 lol no its not, Nintendo is selling you ancient tech by computing standards just so they can make massive profit on the hardware.

[@jmass4207]

Will they get shit for it and called greedy? Probably not.

[@sureberferber9101]

Nintendo Switch 2 will prove once again that the "Graphics Arms Race to Financial Oblivion" is a fools errand reserved for the competition.

[@currywurst2434]

Well its pretty strong for a mobile device if he is right. Exept in handheld mode if he is right again. 5 watts on an old node for the whole console and that big chip with 1500 cudacores seems just extremely low and will make the chip look worse than it is in handheld mode. Its even hard to believe, Orin on like 2-3 watts, how low will they clock it? 150mhz?

[@Ronny999x]

Steamdeck 2 will burry Switch 2.

[@troyphillips6481]

@@Ronny999x It won't because of Nintendo exclusives and nostalgia.

[@deansmits006]

I'm 42, always looked Nintendo, and also PlayStation from growing up. With a family now, and nostalgia strong, can you guess who is in our living room? With a focus on affordability and family games, Nintendo is an easy choice. I used to care about graphics more, but now? Meh, Mario is always a crowd pleaser, graphics be damned

[@zee-fr5kw]

Nintendo games would be sooooo much better if they didn't look like dog shit

[@relucentsandman6447]

The best thing about the price of the PS5 Pro is that I am no longer holding my breathe for a Bloodborne remaster, to the high seas and emulation

[@jayg339]

What is wrong with Sony and not creating a solid remaster of Bloodborne? They have remasters for every game under the sun, but the one game people have been asking for a remaster they just refuse to do it? I don't get it. Unless there is something behind the scenes going on, it really does not make sense.

[@TechnoAssassin-vx6zf]

The best thing is, most people moaning about the price so should be able to get one at launch 🤣🤣🤣

[@jmass4207]

@@jayg339 Probably a relatively cheap option for a system seller down the line like Demon’s Souls for PS5.

[@Serandi1987]

​@@jayg339💯✅🤬

[@Serandi1987]

At least we FINALLY can play Demon's Souls Remake at 4k@60 FPS ✅

[@dante19890]

Ps5 pro is most needed for the 3rd party games that have crappy image quality in performance mode.

[@q-_-p.d-_-b]

Like Immortals of Aveum dropping down to 480p native.

[@aaronclay4665]

so every 3rd party game.....

[@bowie8338]

@@q-_-p.d-_-b holy crap 480?

[@jarde1989]

I’m not buying an upgraded console just because Square Enix sucks at optimization… I just won’t buy their games anymore Regardless if I end up buying a Pro or not… I won’t support rushed games

[@dante19890]

@@jarde1989 its just not them. Basically every 3rd party game is unoptimized compared to first party titles.

[@AnimeWill]

Yeah, there's no way you can build a PC for cheaper than the Pro. The GPU alone would be $550-600. I'm not too mad about the price of the PS5 Pro. I already have the base and not a big console player, so I'm not upgrading. If I didn't have a base, I would have no problem pulling the trigger for the Pro. There's always a premium for the best performance. When has a high end GPU ever justified it's cost for gaming compared to the models below.

[@mewmew5143]

You could use those same 700 in a gpu and keep it for more years than a console lasts and without buying back your library.

[@PlayStationVision123]

@@mewmew5143pS5 will last for 10 years playing great games

[@AnimeWill]

@@mewmew5143 you are forgetting about the CPU, RAM, HDD, MoBo, PSU, Case, Mouse & keyboard. And the life of a console last for years. Guess what? They are still making PS4 games. And when a new console comes out, you aren't paying for the same performance now are you? If you can play your games on a 10 year old card forever. Good for you. But will you be playing on 4k60 with RT on your 1080ti? No. You won't be.

[@reiniermoreno1653]

​@@AnimeWillthat's assuming you can do it in the PS4, that you obviously can't

[@syed2694]

Yes you can

[@oysterhead5150]

If Arrow Lake is only a measly 8-12% better performance over Raptor Lake in gaming, the 9800X3D will crush it in gaming when it comes out.

[@VoldoronGaming]

Doubtful unless the 9800x3d does something very different than the 7800x3D.

[@kevinerbs2778]

​​@@VoldoronGamingits pbo clocks higher, thats been a big limit of the 3D v-cache cpus. Fully unlocked, with, Curve optomizr & curve shaper two things the 7800x 3D.

[@darkfire3691]

@@kevinerbs2778 Clock increases aren't so beneficial for x3D cpu's there were benchmarks where BCLK oc'ed CPU to 5.4ghz all core, and gained around +3% perf in gaming. 9800x3D probably will be +10% more perf over 7800x3D at best.

[@kevinerbs2778]

@@darkfire3691 the bclck can only go 1 to 3% higher. This won't be limitted by bclk or the high thermal temps that zen 4 had. Look at how much lower zen 5 tempertures are compared to regualr zen 4. You have people getting up to 6.0ghz on water with zen 5.

[@blkspade23]

​@@darkfire3691It's about the potential in the total package. Like the 7800X3D is noticably faster than 5800X3D. Zen 5 has higher IPC on top of the potential of X3D having higher clocks.

[@epsilon1670]

like while i would normally agree on ps4 holding the ps5 games back, looking at games like the jedi survivor which has been backported to previous gen looks pretty good considering the hardware downgrade. I think whats holding games back is more poor optimization and how the games are being fundamentally made. Dont get me wrong i want proper next gen games which like stated is lacking this gen i just dont think its hardware thats holding stuff back.

[@otakuelric7782]

720p/20fps

[@mondodimotori]

"Pretty good" I mean, yes, it's impressive. But its 720p at unstable 30 FPS. Something that's straight out of 7th gen.

[@anthonylipke7754]

I feel like merging the names for Medusa is premature they must wait for chimera.

[@MeneghetteMmcs]

I mean, its better than ryzen 11000 so it makes sense reset the naming

[@beyondearth6418]

If the AMD RDNA4 release is delayed/pushed back (again), it's most likely due to Sony's pressure to potentially not destabilise its PS5 Pro sales/pre-orders.

[@Hugh_I]

..or it is because Radeon finally decided to learn a lesson from multiple rushed launches like the 7900XTX launch, the zen5 launch and the misaligned FSR3/7800XT launches, and want to try out finishing drivers and microcode first, so they don't have to embarrass themselves again with marketing numbers based on projections and produce a tonne of bad press and overtime work for a rushed launch nobody asked for.

[@toastyburger]

Does the PS5 Pro CPU still limit games to 6.5 cores? The Xbox Series X reserves just 1 core for the OS, compared to 1.5 for the base PS5. Could the the PS5 Pro shrink the OS footprint, freeing more CPU resources to run games?

[@q-_-p.d-_-b]

Iirc, they did mention ps5pro os footprint is lower, freeing up to like 256~512mb ram.

[@XPuntar]

@@q-_-p.d-_-b It is actually more, I've seen 13,5GB somewhere that is reserved for a game.

[@syferz]

1:14:00 the ARM A78C cores are better than Ryzen 2 cores in the current gen consoles PER clock, though it will likely be clocked at 2 to 2.5GHz, but does have 8 full cores, vs SD's 4 cores with SMT. It should be far closer to the CPU output of current gen consoles than the 4 ARM A57 cores at 1GHz found in the original Switch.

[@JPsTechReviews]

I replaced my Ryzen 7950X with the 7800x3d and was shocked at how nice the games run.

[@dakalro]

Remember the rumour that Intel foundry possible customers were not impressed with IFS integration due to IP security issues? I wonder if this is the main reason. They were almost splitting them anyway.

[@cartilagehead]

honestly the new changes in iOS 18 are a much bigger deal than the iPhone 16 in terms of shaking things up for iOS users, and I got 99% of its features (and 100% of the features that I want, minus some of the more gimmicky AI stuff that’s limited to the new hardware) on my 12 Pro. As far as the Pro’s cringeworthy marketing, I won’t dispute it but I personally love the extra camera, the notably stronger and more wear resistant body material, and-in the case of the 12-higher refresh display over the cheaper model. It’s not for everybody, but I’m a photo+film guy and I like that my four year old phone looks virtually brand new under its case despite getting dropped at least once per day on average, sometimes from 7+ feet up. My aluminum iPhone 6S had some notable battle scars after the same amount of time.

[@spacechannelfiver]

Picked up a 16 non pro for my wife on Saturday and the queue was out in the street, but moved quickly - took 30 minutes from start, getting a screen protector fitted and done. She decided she wanted a new one earlier in the summer and figured may as well wait for the new model, did the queuing for it as flying out of the country this weekend for a month. Her old phone was a X, so it's not like we upgrade them that often. Mines a 14, so will upgrade that in a year or two - once the battery starts packing in mostly. Neither of us have any real use for the camera stuff on the pro models so the base ones are completely fine for day to day use and the odd snap.

[@cartilagehead]

@@spacechannelfiver makes sense. I’ll probably get the battery serviced on mine next year and try to squeeze as much time as possible out of it.

[@127maXimus]

Serial killer glasses again

[@DyeHard79]

@127maXimus lmao my dad wears these fuckers too Jeffrey Dahmer style

[@FireDarkness39]

Professional hater

[@PlayStationVision123]

lol 😂 yeah

[@elrondes1]

40:25 Who made this chart? Why is the M3 look higher when they have the same score?

[@Tetrapak1234]

Perhaps 137 is score in Cinebench single-core. Performance per watt is shown on graph.

[@Akrymir]

I think the PS5 Pro pricing has more to do with the fact they need to make money on it. Base consoles are subsidized by game sales, but people buying the Pro would have purchased those games regardless. Also, each Pro sold is typically one more used base console on the 2nd hand market. I'm not saying it needs to be $700, but I don't think they are gouging as much as people make it out to be... though it was myopic to not include the stand that costs them pennies.

[@--waffle-]

why bother to include a stand and waste money when it already sits on its side!?

[@dante19890]

@@Akrymir yeah that seems to be the case. It doesn't cost that much more to produce but they selling it at a premium because they can and they want to make money on each unit sold.

[@pweddy1]

If you need a minimum of 12GB for a discrete GPU, how much ram do you expect Strix Halo laptops to have? It seems like ram is one of the places manufacturers cut corners. My brother just got an AMD laptop with 1 stick of 16GB of ram. I’ve just come to expect a laptop automatically needs a 3rd party ram kit.

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

Do you still have contacts at Intel? What's the deal with Arrow Lake Refresh, Nova Lake and Razor Lake?

[@tringuyen7519]

Intel ditched rentable cores. So Nova Lake & Razor Lake will be slightly better than Lunar Lake & Arrow Lake.

[@dakalro]

Guessing they see a path to move up NVL for a quarter or so and just dump ARL-S refresh. NVL will be Intel made while ARL is TSMC made.

[@Osaka2407]

About the Arrow Lake performance, even assuming perfect frequency scaling (both in performance and frequency across all of the cores) and that it clecked at 4.0 GHz to reach 32,200 pts, at 5.5 GHz it would reach 44,200 points. 9950X scores around 41,000 points. However, as you said, it bounced at around in low 4s to 4.5 GHz. Assuming 4,3 GHz average, it would need 5.5 GHz to reach 41200 pts and 6GHz to beat Zen 5 by ~10%. That's highly unlikely. The only unknown for us is e-core frequency. They could have clocked them at 2GHz for all we know. But making the guesstimate, the ES used was close to final and e-cores both were not clocked that low and won't reach much more than 4.5 GHz in production CPUs, if they even reach 4GHz due to the node used and limited power/voltage. So I am positive about Arrow Lake being competitive but I would not put my money on it beating Zen 5 in nT. It may however outperform it in 1T, as Lunar Lake does.

[@PohnnyRico]

Is it true, as some media outlets leaked, that arrow lake is going to be the only cpu for lga1851 motherboards? Wouldnt that mean arrow lake is more expensive AND you have to buy a new motherboard only for one cpu? 😵

[@Lightning9060]

I feel like if the PS5 Pro came with a stand, disc drive, and DualSense Edge controller, people wouldn't have been nearly as mad at the price

[@troyphillips6481]

@Sean_Lightning_OBrien I see your point but with the dual sense edge costing nearly 500 dollars in some countries like mine there in no way, they wluld ever bundle that in with a new console not in this reality or any other reality unless someone was selling them used to knock half to a quarter of the price off a ps6.

[@Lightning9060]

@@troyphillips6481 I'm not familiar with controller prices but god damn that's a crazy price for a controller. Even just a stand and disc drive would have been better, there isn't much 'pro' about this PS5 Pro

[@romanbellic810]

Does PS5 Pro use The Power of the Cloud? Or at least blast processing?

[@princegroove]

My fave techy channel. ☝🏻

[@syferz]

Your 5w from "AMD" would only be for the SoC, the original Switch's SoC at launch was 5w, how do I know this? because AMD wouldn't need to know the system's total wattage goal to produce an SoC and would be given a power budget for the SoC. Original Switch's full system with minimum brightness was 7w during botw gameplay via Anandtech's testing march 3rd 2017.

[@kcw8886]

On lunar lake vs strix laptop price, the weight of the laptop should be controlled too. Lightweight laptop often are more expensive

[@B-U-T-C-H-E-R]

When are we going to start considering the limits of the human eyes in gaming? I think the PS5 pro hits a sweet spot at 4k 60fps. You can't see a huge difference between 4k and 8k (unless you have a gigantic screen) and the same goes for 100fps vs 180fps. If you turn the frame counter off you can hardly notice

[@ministerpillowes]

Not soon. 180 way smoother than 100. 400 way smoother than 180.

[@B-U-T-C-H-E-R]

@@ministerpillowes According to scientists, the human eyes see between 30 and 60 fps. Watch a comparison of a 3090 and 4090, without a frame counter. You can perceive a big difference between 30 and 60. Huge difference. The higher you go past, the harder it is to see. Diminishing returns are real. Same with going from say 720 to 4k is a very noticeable difference, but 4k to 8k is much less noticeable, unless you have a very large screen. I'm not saying there is no difference, it just gets harder to justify the cost and hardware necessary for such less noticeable improvements

[@ministerpillowes]

@@B-U-T-C-H-E-R youtube max is 60 fps, you couldn't see or feel the difference between 30/4090 like that. To me and many others games at 60 fps are slow motion, the mouse moving in molasses. Utrabooks are starting to have 120 hz screens too bc even office work feels so much better the higher the hz. But that eye only sees 60 fps line is bought and paid for by the 60 hz monitor mafia, they're holding you down dude! Even story games feel so much better the higher the fps, every story gamer I've shown 240 hz to agrees.

[@B-U-T-C-H-E-R]

@@ministerpillowes I have an OLED that does 120, I have a computer, and I realize the correlation to input lag and response time. That's a different conversation. There's definitely benefits to be had from more powerful hardware. That doesn't mean we haven't sort of hit a wall with graphical fidelity and diminishing returns, also limits of the human eyes

[@jrherita]

40:00 doesnt lunar lake wattage (15W) include the ram while it doesnt on competition?

[@dakalro]

It's 17 with DDR afaik

[@handlemonium]

Yes, but I prefer my LDDR5X-8533 to be on upgradable LPCAMM2 modules with Strix Halo APUs instead of on-package.

[@camdustin9164]

@@handlemoniummajority of laptop buyers are office workers that mostly use MS Office and native cloud apps. Most of them don’t need more than 8GB of RAM let alone 16, and they still have an option to go 32. They mostly care about how light their laptops are and how long they last rather than whether they can upgrade their RAM. Lunar Lake is a smart move from Intel.

[@dex6316]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@dakalrolunar lake’s power draw is decided by the oem and inclusive of the lpddr5x. 17w lunar lake is the equivalent of 15w other processors as 2w is spent on the ram. 15w lunar lake would thus be equivalent to 13w.

[@mikem2253]

Pro preordered here. 7900xt PC owner. Im done waiting for games like Rebirth and Stellar Blade to come to PC.

[@kevinkijowski5980]

Saying Sony can't leave behind the PS4 does not make sense and is not true. The last game 1st party game on PS4 was GOW Ragnarok. Every game since then has been PS5 only. They also did have PS5 only games in the beginning of the gen (Returnal, R&C Rift Apart). Even the non 1st party games they have published have not been on the PS4 (HD2, Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin). The 1st party cadence has been a lot slower the past couple years, but I highly doubt that Sony would tell their studios to make or publish any 3rd party game 4 years into the gen. Just to clarify, I'm not saying the PS5 Pro is worth it or anything like that. Buy it or don't buy it and move on. I just don't agree with the notion that Sony is still developing games for the PS4 at this point.

[@JoeL-xk6bo]

console fans don't understand that they need more money as coss rise and the console USER BASE has not grown in over ten years. that's why news of PS5 "outselling" PS4 is always bullshit, as there's no new customers to console gaming as a whole, PS/Xbox have been shuffling around the same AMOUNT of customers for years. This is why they're putting games on PC, for the userbase to get them into PSN ecosystem. The PS4 still has a large bas of people who who many will be SLOW to upgrade, those people can STILL buy new games if you make then on PS4...lol. It's an assured addressable market. Pretty much this year is where PS4 support is dying off from Sony.

[@wallyjohnn6434]

Yes, Sony is not making any PS4 games anymore. But there are still PS4 games coming out because since it may take 5 years for a game to come out, the ones that are coming out were already in the pipeline.

[@jouskehigaskita8835]

@@wallyjohnn6434 also it’s a lot of games that don’t really need insane horse power like the lower budget anime games and sonic games

[@dante19890]

@@kevinkijowski5980 we pretty much left the crossgen period behind now. But it took over 3 years

[@wallyjohnn6434]

@@jouskehigaskita8835 Agree. I doubt Astro Bot needs the power of the PS5 Pro. If someone has a PS4 Pro the base PS5 is like A PS4 Pro Pro, better, faster, stronger than the PS4 Pro, so if they tend to play casual games, RPGS (well, other than FF VII Rebirth and FF VXI) then the base PS5 should be good enough. (Me, I would have been content with One Piece Odyssey graphics with FF VII Rebirth.) IMO, the PS5 Pro is for the hard-core gamer, those who play "Run & Gun" games, like COD, Doom, Overwatch, Fortnite, et. al., multiplayer, fast action fighter games, and that's mostly for the fps, not the greater clarity.

[@HeroVax]

In Malaysia, it's $922 USD what the fk!

[@Bagz1994]

Australia and New Zealand is over 1000

[@nbell5050]

You guys down under always pay more and a lot more for tech. Always been the case.

[@linkszxx]

​@@Bagz1994922USD is more than that tho lol

[@danishidlan9237]

$922 USD without disc drive and stand

[@HeroVax]

@@Bagz1994 it's cheaper buying in Australia and NZ compared to malaysia.

[@dominikdrnek2529]

Want a 16c 40CU APU for Desktop! Please!

[@tstager1978]

UDNA needs to get here sooner rather than later.

[@frowningboat8039]

I have my concerns on the handheld performance of switch 2, not for graphics, but for games. I don't want another case of games either look like they were made for the N64 or in some cases don't get ported at all due to the weak performance. I find myself agreeing with AMD, an 8 watt TDP would have been better as then the GPU wont be power starved but maybe it doesn't need it, although I am hoping they get at least around 500mhz in handheld and its not 350 or so.

[@Mario_Fields]

Everybody have smoke for Nintendo chose in SOC but they only can pick two out of the three when it comes to being Affordable, Powerful or Energy Efficient. Nintendo is going for the energy efficiency and affordability. I don't understand the "disappointment".

[@matthewsykes2646]

I'm really curious to see how good Strix Halo will be when it comes down to efficiency and light tasks battery performance since it has only regular Zen 5 cores and not c cores like Strix Point. I really hope it does well and Oems, like Asus, can pull out something like the PX13 but with better battery life (not having the discrete GPU), or also something like the Surface Laptop Studio 2 would benefit a lot from this kind of APUs. Let's hope for the best, also from Arrow Lake on mobile, paired with 5060 or 70 graphics, even if they'll probably cost a lot more then the laptop using Strix Halo 😅

[@or1on89]

Here in UK pre-orders are not going...because as expected the console public is not the PC public...

[@Spencerwalker21]

Im hoping steam deck 2 gets a 24 cu strix point halo gpu with a 256bit bus

[@SalveMonesvol]

If ps5 pro was able to double frame rates (like, demon's souls remastered at 1440p 120fps with regular low cost upscaling, since double the frame rate really helps temporal upscaling, not "pssr"), and had an integrated drive, I'd go for it at $700 (tax included). Regarding Switch, I'd expect at least a 4X increase on EVERYTHING in docked vs docked mode, including storage, total CPU performance (at least 2X in single thread), included memory (16gb), bandwidth and GPU performance, plus DLSS. Basically, be able to take a game that used to run at 1080p30, push it to 1080p120 locked, and upscale it to 4k (docked). And in portable mode, lower frame rate to 60fps and upscaling resolution to 1440p from about 1018p (1/2 the pixels).

[@PohnnyRico]

40:25 I think you have a little mistake here with the apple m3 number right?

[@DyeHard79]

"If there was only 1 car co. Nobody would buy the base model for 200K. They'd all just ride a bike or take a bus" it's true but I think in this analogy Microsoft is running the bus routes with Windows on Steam/PC and Gamepass on Console/Series S (cheapest way to play aka the bike) at least for now with the price of PS5 base being $500 we don't need a bus pass...yet

[@aaronclay4665]

the microsoft and steam/pc way is not the buss route..............its the most expensive way to play and every siystem is different, playstion digital is the buss, cheapest and best way to play(get to work) everyone gets on the same "buss"

[@thevalleykid]

Anyone know if Switch physical game cards will be compatible with Switch 2?

[@BastyTHz]

nvidia did good on 4000 series, with L2 big that close to rdna3's L3 size. that is why they won so much. while amd manufacturing cost is lower but the price is almost the same if not higher in 3rd world countries.

[@mraei]

Is the battery life that impressive if you are delivering 40% less multithreaded performance

[@moist_ointment]

Yes, because many of us literally have no way of using that nT performance for our work

[@MaximumCarnage-]

Gotta disagree with you on this one. IMO PS5 pro isn't worth the cost, especially with the same CPU. Depending on what you play, it's cheaper than PC upfront but PC won't be much more expensive in the long run and may even be cheaper. You don't need to pay for online and I've saved so much money on games since I built my PC for the living room last year. You can upgrade parts too so it last longer. The steam sales and steam keys from auth retailers are just waaaay cheaper and even new releases can be cheaper. I paid less for BG3 and Dragon's Dogma 2 on release than what was on PSN. Youtubing how to build a PC last year and building my own to play on the TV with my consoles was the best gaming decision I made and Sony is what drove me to seek alternatives. I hated PC gaming before at a desk and on K/M but playing it like a console solves that. Plus you can get mods, free cloud saves a better media center etc. PS5 is my last Sony console for sure but I'll probably get the new switch.

[@Dempig]

PC game sales really arnt much cheaper than console sales these days tbh. Used physical games get really really cheap.

[@mondodimotori]

It's not "the same cpu". It's a new process node with slightly better clock and same power requirements as the slim. And just look at the prices of pc components, especially GPUs. Upgrading a pc costs you as much as a base console, at minimum.

[@nurbsivonsirup1416]

@@mondodimotori It's pretty much the same CPU as far as performance is concerned. 2n gen Zen is getting pretty long in the tooth, especially paired with a RX7700XT level of GPU.

[@denvera1g1]

PS5 Pro is a great value Some of these fanboys are delusional If its still zen2, its basically a 4700G I have the 4700S and the BC250, both based on the PS5 SOC Know what holds back the PS5? Zen2 4MB of usable cache per core 2CCX 1/4 the cache of the 3700x and 1/2 the cache of the 5700G This means it hits the 256 bit bus far more often than it needs to, stealing those RAM cycles from the GPU I REALLY REALLY Hope the PS5 Pro is Zen3+ on 6nm++ otherwise we might see some games having the same max frame rate as the PS5, just with higher visuals. Which to be fair is good for most people, but Cmon, an extra $20(after factoring lower yields due to larger die) could have DOUBLED the 1% lows. Based on my own testing of the 4700S, 4750G, BC250, and 5700G(5700G moves to a unified 8 core CCX with a 16MB L3 pool up from 8MB split between 2 CCX, making up to 16MB available to any one core, compared to 4MB on Zen2 APUs) Console optimizations are an amazing thing, do you know what makes them even better? Better hardware. Sure that 4700S might perform similar to a 5700X on windows/linux, but i'd imagine a 5700S would perform like a 5800X3D or even 7800X3D. All it would take is an extra 20mm² on what i am assuming is a 360-400mm² die(maybe larger if there isnt a die shrink).

[@unoriginalname771]

Well I’m here to shoot your hopes down instantly. It’s still the same shitty zen 2 cpu, the only difference from the base PS5 is that it can clock 10% higher. It’s definitely not zen 3+

[@vinnizle]

Same cpu just upgraded GPU unfortunately.

[@jurpo6]

I dont trust that the new intel processors are ring bus issue-free

[@Tugela60]

Why?

[@bigdeagle1331]

They are comparing luner lake to the Amd 365 chip! Not the Amd 370 chip

[@Violet-ui]

53:00 FF7 Rebirth runs at the same resolution on the PS5 Pro It's just PSSR that makes it look so much better than the horrible upscaling on the PS5

[@toxicitysocks]

Nooooo to RDNA4 delay rumor haha. I’ve been planning on waiting for the 8800xt to build my new system for playing current gen games (currently running a 6700k and GTX 1060). If it was expected November/December timeframe I’d wait but if not I might just get a GRE and start gaming

[@nivea878]

my 7800x3d langs on bootloop, its intermiten , 40% chance it boots right. problem is when i restart from windows, pls healp me, my pc is up to date😭

[@kevinerbs2778]

Turn off secure boot and fast boot.

[@vasudevmenon2496]

I was waiting for ryzen ai 370 but went with hawk point laptop

[@tstager1978]

Lunar lake is on a better node and not that much better. I would have liked a little more single threaded perf and it definitely needs better multithreading.

[@rufioh]

Will switch 2’s 12GB mean that’s the target amount of VRAM games will go for in the next few years?

[@easyygo3008]

@@rufioh no. It has at least1 reserved for OS

[@frowningboat8039]

it will be 1 or 1.5 for the OS, 4 GB or so for the game and the rest, 6.5 or 7 GB for Vram. It should be plenty for what it is as the steam deck has 16 with more of that for the OS and that isn't a bottleneck there.

[@kbubuntu6048]

any info on that so xbox next gen and handeld consoles?

[@XashA12Musk]

there should be "1TB PS5 PRO with 💿Drive for $700"

[@Yoshimatsu414]

In response to the Xbox having an Digital $450 Xbox is that there is a $450 Digital PS5 Slim, are the going to get rid of the disc drive bundle now? They haven't so there isn't really a reason to think Microsoft to do something different than Sony is doing in that situation. If anything they just gave you a matching product line up compared to PS5 which was probably the point

[@robertstan298]

I'm perfectly fine with Intel playing 4th fiddle in the chipmaker space lol Hell, I'm fine with them getting wiped out as well, as long as the x86/x64 patent claims just somehow get wiped out as well and foundries like SMIC finally breakthrough the hostile US empire bans on 3rd party tools like those Dutch(?) brand EUV machines for ultra-advanced node production (I honestly don't expect a 4th advanced foundry to appear out of nowhere, especially not in the west).

[@andreas7944]

The prices of the lenovo models cannot be explained. I am confident that competitors will offer better specs for less.

[@santoshdaware]

Just because meteor lake laptops priced higher that doesn't mean strix point laptops are cheap. The way strix point laptops are priced it is clear that strix halo will cost $2500+. Around that price one can buy rtx4090 laptops.

[@fx165]

I don't know Dan "I don't know" Tom "I don't know" Stop it too much "i don't know" for podcast

[@realroijulien6243]

Is strix hampered by windows like zen?

[@gametime4316]

Luner lake looks GOOD ! I like it that they didn't go crazy on the cpu side with 12+ cores, that is nuts in a laptop. I do wish it was 6p 4e, but looks like it dose great even us 4p 4e. The gpu looks amazing ! better then 890m with less power an support xmx xess unlike the awful FSR That cpu/gpu will be so fan in a handheld.

[@JohnSmith-ro8hk]

nice paid comment

[@mewmew5143]

lol 12 is the new 2HT cores, it's the new era driven by AMD (and apple), Intel is left behind with 8 cores without enough power to compete with AMD or enough efficiency to compete with Apple, not even the price of LNL is acceptable.

[@Fordance100]

THe more expensive legion Yoga had 4060 while Tuf HX370 didn't.

[@robertmyers6488]

Selling out 7000 series stock might be the reason and I wonder what the profit difference is between X3D and non X3D?

[@Decrazy123]

Switch news notification *materializes*

[@Lbstee123]

And as if its ephemeral , you clicked and now it's gone.

[@Sheerwinter]

:( tell something about battle mage entry level gpus like arc a380 successor. Or just tell use something about rx 7400. 💀 I'm a poor boy who can not afford rx 6600. Please help me. Share some inside info.

[@TechDoneRight1]

Didn’t Sony tell us not to expect much from their first party this year? Also…wasn’t factions cancelled? I think Tom and Dan need to catch up with console news

[@rashaddow]

Or they know more then we do maybe?

[@arcadeperfectreviews2653]

Switch 2 is also heavily leaning on DLSS3 so it's going to run more modern games well, by simply not running them well and upscaling

[@imaginalex5850]

This is a "pro" / flagship product, and it doesn't come with the disk. yes.

[@sebbbi2]

No surprises with Lunar Lake. Against AMD: slower MT, faster ST, equal GPU, better battery life in light/idle workloads. Against Qualcomm: slower MT, faster ST, faster GPU, equal battery life. No emulation issues. AMD is best for professional users. Good MT, good compatibility, good GPU. Intel is best as Macbook Air competitor. They only lose in MT perf to Qualcomm, which doesn’t matter much in this segment. Better compatibility matters more. Qualcomm isn’t best in either segment. Their GPU is clearly behind. Their DX12 drivers are unstable. They have MT parity with AMD, but many professional users need compatibility.

[@Tugela60]

Lunar lake is for low power laptops. Regular laptops will have Arrow Lake mobile cpus in them, those will arrive in early 2025.

[@sebbbi2]

Ryzen AI doesn’t fully scale to desktop replacement laptop category either. The older 16 core HX series based on desktop CPU design are still used in this class. New HX chips based on Zen5 desktop are coming according to rumors. Now that Ryzen AI has 12 cores (+50%), it scales to cover most of the range. Lunar Lake on the other hand has less cores, so it can cover less range than before. Intel has to lean more on their desktop replacement CPU on laptops. It’s fine if Arrow Lake can scale down to acceptable TDP levels for mainstream gaming laptops. Not everybody wants a 2.5kg behemoth.

[@B-U-T-C-H-E-R]

Never underestimate the GOAT. Senior Mr. Mark Cerny the great

[@reaktorleak89]

Ken Kutaragi must be giggling about the $699 price.

[@neilranson4185]

No one knows how the ps5 pro will perform over an average of games. We only have a tiny fraction of examples. Around 6 titles. All 6 titles operate around the same base resolution as the ps5 at its 60fps mode but with a close to 4k like end result. If I had to guess now I’d say expect similar native resolutions as base ps5 but with an end result far better

[@jayg339]

The PS5 Pro has a couple things going against it right now that differentiates it from the PS4 Pro/One X. While the price is part of it, I don't think the 699 price would've been seen as that bad if it included a stand and a disc drive. People who buy consoles just want to purchase their machine, plug it in, and get to gaming. Even though it's easy to buy and install the disc drive, it's one more step that people have to do which they probably feel they shouldn't have to. Plus another $110 on top of a 699 price tag that was already cutting it may turn off people who would otherwise purchase it. I know I am kind of in that same boat. I had the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X and thought they were great systems(especially after i installed an SSD in the PS4 Pro). I just don't know if I am that thrilled to drop $699 on a Pro console as opposed to just waiting it out until the PS6 and do some more PC gaming in the mean time. Another part of the Pro's success hinges on the actual PS5 Pro. Even after the announcement and some quick gameplay clips, I still don't feel like I have a great grasp as to what the PS5 Pro's performance and image quality is going to be. With the PS4 Pro, I had an expectation that most games would be around 1440p and checkerboarded up to 4k with similar settings as the base PS4. With the Xbox One X, a lot of games supported native 4k or resolutions above 1800p. Part of PS5 Pro's appeal is it's upscaling method PSSR, and the quality of that is still up in the air. All in all, it's kind of tough to tell what the future of the PS5 Pro is going to be right now, but I'd really like to see some more gameplay to get an idea of what Sony is selling here.

[@chrys_rex]

no news about RDNA 4 release dates yet ? :(

[@luism8130]

People actually care about RDNA 4? Spoiler alert it will be the same crap as RDNA 3, with new pricing.

[@chrys_rex]

@@luism8130 same crap with better ray tracing

[@MultiDraxter]

@@luism8130 They searching for double VRAM amount so the drivers can have some more memory for a few minutes before problems appear. And still they will go to forums and defend their lovely AMDip cards. All they see is numbers on the specc sheet

[@Junior305able]

Lol me with my Vega 56 might beg to differ

[@Junior305able]

Though I might wait until whatever gpu generation releases on GTA VI PC

[@elirantuil5003]

Great episode. Pardon me for asking but wasn't HUB Steve coming?

[@Dan-Simms]

Ok ngl the GTAI 6 chip would be so jokes, thats how you break the internet

[@Pavlobot5]

I can't wait for my Ultra Max Super X10800X3D XT+ RR

[@nhanNguyen-wo8fy]

I think Amd can sell hx 300 series as the price of Meteor lake. But From the business point of view they should sell at cheaper than Lunar Lake and more expensive than Meteor Lake for many reasons (money = quality consumers mindset, Amd can't compete in the dark art of retailer dealing anyway) Well that not the best pricing for consumers at the high end. But 8845hs, 2k plus screen, 84whrs, less than 1000$ Lenovo laptop will do it for me.

[@randysalsman6992]

The new Switch will me named the "Switch UP".

[@Kapono5150]

I’m so glad people still wanna use Intel after what happened, that’s dedication

[@sadatislamkhan3707]

well tbh i use intel and will go intel again, look I do office work on my pc. its not that amd is bad it is better than intel in gaming like 7800x3d/9800x3d i heard is the best, but with 13600k if i can get 90% of gaming with office work I will go intel.

[@NadeemAhmed-nv2br]

​@@sadatislamkhan3707pretty sure for the 13600k, it 80% not 90%. Thats 100fps vs 120 fps, basically a whole tier or 2 TIERS of a higher gpu just by having a cheaper Cpu

[@saricubra2867]

​​​@@NadeemAhmed-nv2brThe average framerate of the Ryzen 7 7800X3D in Hogwarts Legacy is the 1% lows of my 12700K paired with DDR5 5200. The 12700K is special, 8 P-cores and 4 E-Cores, it's the only good hybrid desktop Intel chip with good perfomance per watt. 13600K doesn't look impressive, in fact, the laptop i9 13980HX destroys these chips, the perfomance per watt from that beast is absurd (literally half the wattage of a 13700K for the same perfomance). Historically X3D chips get higher averages and worse 1% lows, the 3D mark score of the 7800X3D is even below the old Ryzen 9 5900X (shines in multicore heavy games and shader compilation with smooth frametimes).

[@ashleyjohansson230]

Intel has better software and workstation support, which is why most offices and data centres still use intel.

[@DarkRei7]

Switch 2 and Series S are mutually beneficial to one another, devs will optimize for the Series S due to it being the more popular Xbox and Microsoft's mandate which will make optimization for the Switch 2 better and devs that are not interested in an Xbox release might as well drop a series S version since they're optimizing for the biggest handheld out there which means both consoles get more optimization and less devs throwing hissy fits like the Gotham Knights devs.

[@marktackman2886]

As a network engineer I can confirm Intel networking products are REALLY GOOD.

[@christophermullins7163]

As an Intel networking engineer? Biased!

[@marktackman2886]

@@christophermullins7163 I dont work for Intel, I just use lots of Intel networking products.

[@johnnyringo35]

That's not what he said...

[@ashleyjohansson230]

Gamers will still claim AMD is better because "higher fps in games" lol

[@dotms5195]

The Intel I225-V/I226-V nics would like to have a word. These are so troublesome at 2.5Gb to the point that people prefer Realteks over them.

[@AB-fr2ei]

I hope that a lot of PS4 games will be upgraded too

[@ABC-1234-]

So tired of people crying about the price. JUST DONT BUY IT. We knew the PS5 Pro would be at least $500, but I figured with inflation and Xbox not coming out with a mid gen console that the price would more than likely be $600. So you guys are CRYING because the PS5 Pro is $100 more than expected. Imagine crying over that. 😂

[@XPuntar]

I am far more annoyed the Pro does not have an optical drive! Price. eh? Don't buy it or wait for discounts! People are hypocrites! They are yelling, and screaming because of "something" and then they will do exactly the opposite!

[@Tugela60]

​@@XPuntarMost people don't use the optical drive, so they are paying for something that is a waste. People who want one are welcome to buy one, but don't require everyone to do that.

[@trousersnake1486]

I'm only getting a pro if I can get that 30th anniversary edition. And if I'm able to buy one its my last console purchase.

[@PaR2020]

Lunar lake makes a lot of sense for light laptops. No-one needs 20 threads on these machines, no-one will render videos on those machines - these are office laptops and battery life, size, weight and cold keyboard are much more important than multithreading score in synthetic tests.

[@HappyDrunkGamer]

The Series S RAM being split is not an issue for games. The console has 10GB, 2 of which does run 56GB/s, this RAM is used by the OS for system functions, devs do NOT have access to it, the series X is the console that as slit RAM issues, as 10GB runs at 566GB/s, 6GB runs at 336GB/s, of which devs have access to 3.5GB (2.5GB of the slower RAM is used by the OS). The series S main issue is the overall lack of RAM, 12GB (giving devs 10GB) would have been better, even if that RAM had been slower, but Microsoft expected more games to Sampler Feedback Streaming but not many (if any) have used it on console or PC. Plus Id argue developers are abusing FSR on PS5 and Series X, how after 3 years we had games running at 720p on these consoles is beyond a joke, the software being developed is not being designed for the consoles, the best running/looking games this gen targeted the hardware correctly and look good, ironically the games are also quite often cross gen (Forza Horizon 5, GT7, Horizon Forbidden West, GoW2), it feels like devs have done less and less low level development and relied more and more upon UE5 to do all the hard work for them. Astrobot being a prime example of a game designed for PS5 that looks great and plays great at the target frame rate, I have no issues with a dev using FSR or TAA to take a 1440p image to 4K for performance modes, but some of these games coming out tax my 5800x3D/7900XTX at native 4K without tech like frame gen and FSR, and honestly I dont think any game this gen actually looks better than Horizon Forbidden West, Forza Horizon 5 or even Gears 5 with the Series X patch..........

[@ggmgoodgamingmichael7706]

Horizon 4 is even better whilst looking the same or better. Running max settings @ 4K60 on a 7700xt which is a console equivalent 😀

[@HappyDrunkGamer]

@@ggmgoodgamingmichael7706 exactly, I understand wanting to push new tech, but graphics looks more than good enough now, there are parts of Gears 5 and Horizon Forbidden West that looks almost life like, mostly down the motion capture, ray tracing looks incredible, but it takns performance on a 4090 and breaks apart very quickly due to noise etc. just give me last gen Graphics with better textures and better frame rates.

[@Joeybatz33]

PS5 Pro talk 🔥

[@christophermullins7163]

PS5 con talk

[@Iangamebr]

Nah the 8 Gen 4 is where its at if you want triple A gaming in a phone. Leaked benchmarks already show same CPU single core as A18 pro, 20%+ multi core performance and 50%+ GPU performance (!) than A18 pro while being more efficient. Pretty crazy tbh.

[@neilranson4185]

How people are not talking about the fact the very components that games consoles are made of have gotten a LOT more expensive which obviously makes the console its self more expensive. If you don’t think this plays a role you don’t understand basic economics and math

[@biquiba]

Tom and buddie Colin Moriarty are members of the Sony Fan Club. Don't let theme cloud your judgement. Look for the current price of components online. I.E. the Ryzen 3600 is a bargain nowadays.

[@neilranson4185]

@@biquiba I don’t know who you’re referring to so no one’s clouded my judgment I go on facts. Component costs have risen

[@akeemmorrison2589]

lmao no it's just price gouging

[@neilranson4185]

@@akeemmorrison2589 provide evidence for your claim if your so sure?

[@TheDiner50]

@@neilranson4185 The PS5 'Slim' retains its $499.99 price in USA. 10 Sept 2024. Retail price of Ryzen 7 9700X for the US market is $359. 10 Sept 2024. Zen5% N4 has a die size of 70.6mm2. PS5 Slim has a SoC of 260mm2. $359 / 70,6mm2 = 5,0849. 1mm2 costs 5$? No, ofc not! $700 PS5 PSSR. - PS5 Slim. = $200.. / 260mm2 = 0,769230. $0.7 a mm2 of N4. Navi 32, is 196mm2 of N4. AMD called it RX 7700xt for $450 MSPR. $450 / 196mm2 = 2,29591. $2.3 a mm2 of N4. Navi 33, is 0mm2 of N4. AMD called it RX 7600xt 8GB. $330 / 0mm2 = ... ERROR. BS detected. $330-450 = $120.. / 196mm2 = 0,61224489795918. RX 7600xt 8gb launched at: 24 Jan 2024. MSPR $329. 260mm2 * 0,61224489795918 = 159,1836734693868‬. $159 dollars != $200. None of this calculations are fair to compare. Yet it is very telling that BS is afoot. There is NO way to get around the fact that PS5 Pro is pulling a Con-cord tax. Or whatever we want to call it. Buy more Save more! Why should we talk about how Sony got much better prices then we do? Or that the difference between PS5 Slim and PS5 Pro is all down to the silicon in costs. Poor Sony being company and economics. Bu hu! $330 for a RX 7500xt 8GB is absorbed. Yet I'm sure $450 for a RX7600xt 12GB is not being generous. PS5 Pro is money gone into marketing and design. A tiny bit better speed on ram. N4 node. PS5 Slim, cost cut design. This is like RDNA3 and RTX 4000. Make last-gen look appealing to sell-off bubble stocks. PS5 Slim vs PS5 Pro prices makes sense. Since Sony can demand stupid price on stupid consoles. For stupid games. Clearly Sony is not running a charity. Yet to defend companies, over complete made up shortages or economics? Maybe people are so against the price hike, exactly because of the economy being shit. Numbers do not lie. Con-cord cost $400 million. Tax-write-off (no money to schools etc.) and hike prices on stuff people can no longer afford to buy. To play what? Con-cord? Zen5% being the worst CPU sales since Bulldozer. How odd. It is actually true... If PS5 PSSR was $550? Who would buy PS5 Slim? Prices would have to go down on that console too! We can not have that. Why can AMD and Intel not get this kind of excuses? AMD with Zen5% should be flying of the shelves! And Intel should force us all that buy Intel CPU's, to send them a $100 gift card to lighten up the mood over there. Poor Intel. Poor Sony. Poor AMD.

[@nathangamble125]

40:27 What the fuck is that graph? The Core Ultra and the M3 are both labelled as 137, but they're completely out of line with each other. Did you screw up the labels? What is this graph supposed to say?

[@Dudewitbow]

people are underestimating it not selling out. keep in mind, the fucking PlayStation portal sold out on launch, and who had that shit.

[@tstager1978]

Gelsinger said he bet the company on the 18a node.

[@jthedood1605]

those people thinks intel is still a good brand in 2024 by charging more for intel laptops

[@MooresLawIsDead]

Who are "those people"? Don't get me wrong, Intel still holds most of the market (they are NOT an "underdog" lol), but at the same time AMD is rapidly taking Laptop market share. Look at their earnings.

[@jthedood1605]

@@MooresLawIsDead indeed, selling lower spec intel 100 series for higher than higher spec amd 300 series sounds like selling the "it got intel in it" while being less powerful