PSRR of LDOs: An intuitive analysis

[@Raj-km6qe]

Loved the lectures, love you Sir

[@sambenyaakov]

Thanks. Nice of you.

[@cochono3746]

thanks Professor, really interested lesson. Hope you always strong and good health to share us more good lesson like this video

[@sambenyaakov]

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[@johnSmith-mo5ne]

I just design my own powerful LDO now and this video is very helpful for me. Thank you very much!

[@sambenyaakov]

Glad it helped!

[@ats89117]

Very informative. I was a little surprised that at 25:31 the Vin PSRR above 300 kHz seems to actually be increasing the power supply noise rather than decreasing it. Am I seeing this correctly? This would obviously be very unwelcome behavior in many applications...

[@benm4784]

Yup, that's not too uncommon, and of course generally not desired. Would have to look at loop gain and phase margin to ensure stability.

[@sambenyaakov]

I must say that I am baffled with this data. The capacitances of the pass transistor may explain the corruption at high frequency to some extent, but the change is huge. Never seen such a large change in other LDOs.

[@robson6285]

This is great! This is such a surprising complete amd usefull videolesson. The clear comparisson between the different logical designoptions with which it begins, oh i think, more insightgiving brought, with usefullness in mind, more is not possible

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[@mohammadhassanzade6893]

so good thank you professor

[@sambenyaakov]

Thanks for kind note.

[@32bits-of-a-bus59]

Thank you for an insightful analysis. Now I am only wondering how would the NPN-mode regulator stand against the PNP one, concerning its ability to react to a quickly changing load (e.g. a micro controller going from sleep to full speed and back to sleep again). Intuitively, it seems to me, that the NPN transistor acts like an emitter follower before the op amp reacts to the change, therefore the voltage drop due to a sudden change might not be as deep as in the case of PNP, because bandwidth of a transistor would be much higher than that of the whole feedback loop. But is this phenomenon practically significant?

[@sambenyaakov]

Your observation is correct, but the key to fast response is a good control tuning rather than the switch.

[@benm4784]

Professor, Correct me if I missed something, but I'm surprised the parasitics of transistors were not brought into consideration. When designing with P-channel vs N-channel the loop tuning has to take into account Ciss, Coss, and Crss. In most applications this doesn't make a big difference, but in pulsed applications that high frequency tuning can play a critical roll. Love your videos, thanks for the great content!

[@sambenyaakov]

Thanks for comment. Yes, indeed, the capacitances play an important role at high frequency, but being an introductory video and...considering the short attention span of people today, the video is already to long😊

[@kundansrivastav8711]

@@sambenyaakov Don't worry about the short attention span, Professor. We watch it in 2x ;) Absolutely love your videos. My sincere gratitude since you have helped me crack so many interview questions!

[@ljq7299]

Hi Prof, I am watching this video over and over again to try to digest the way you draw the path for PSRR analysis. If I am not wrong there is a similar way for stability analysis on op-amp as well, I would like to ask Prof, do you have any book/material/handouts suggestion so I can learn more about this? Thank you

[@sambenyaakov]

Look up application notes of LDOs

[@ljq7299]

@sambenyaakov thanks Prof, let me do some studies on it!

[@32bits-of-a-bus59]

This led me to another mystery that's been puzzling me for years: If I used op amp directly as a stabilizer, I would run into problems with its stability because of capacitive load of all the decoupling capacitors it has to feed. In the datasheets of most linear voltage stabilizers, on the other hand, one can read a minimum capacitor value required at the output, to achieve stability. Is this because of the effect of output transistor or is the internal op amp somehow frequency-precompensated to allow stable operation with high capacitive loads?

[@sambenyaakov]

LDO are also subject to instability due to capacitive loading. Data sheets have specific instructions how to avoid it.

[@32bits-of-a-bus59]

@@sambenyaakov Thank you for the replies.

[@mohamedramdane4602]

Es ist sehr gut 👍 Danke 🙏

[@sambenyaakov]

Thanks

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