90 Day Fiancé - (Tiffany & Ronald #5) - Sexism - Therapist Reaction

[@isabellatambwe9525]

I'm from South Africa and Ronald is Afrikaans some of them are extremely sexist and some dote on their wives. It's actually quite strange. I believe in equality, I think hes making excuses

[@y.r1431]

I'm Afrikaans and I live in South Africa. I don't know men who shares Ronald's view on "guiding the woman". That's just weird!

[@DigitalDassie]

Weak South African men (specifically Afrikaans men) have this point of view. There's a lot of machismo in the culture - a lot of "men should be men and women should be women" kind of thinking. My mom still thinks I'm lucky and taking advantage of my husband, because my husband cooks and likes to be an active father (changing nappies, etc). Kaalvoet in die kombuis bullshit.

[@y.r1431]

@@DigitalDassie I don't know why some men still have that perspective. Hopefully those type of men are in the minority.

[@sunneinsplendour8459]

As an Afrikaans woman, I can concur that there are a lot of Afrikaans men who are really misogynistic and sexist. Especially the ones who were raised in a Calvinistic environment with traditional, strict parents - an overly macho father and a submissive mother. They have the mindset of "a woman should be barefoot and pregnant, waiting on my hand and foot and raising my kids." Therefore, I don't date South African men.

[@Thabsizzle]

Hello Dr Kirk. There is a misconception that South African culture is homogenous. It’s not. There are 11 official languages which tells you something about the diversity of the country. I think Ronald is using “culture” as an excuse to be sexist. His beliefs are his beliefs but that doesn’t mean they are the beliefs of every South African man.

[@dianenudlbichler6369]

Very true! Ronald has been raised that way - it is a stereotypical Afrikaans thing! Not every couple lives like that - some people even believe (shock, horror) in equality

[@DigitalDassie]

@@dianenudlbichler6369 Not even every Afrikaans person thinks this way. Afrikaners in the north are very different in some ways from Afrikaners in the Cape. But there is still a lot of backwards sexist bullshit (proliferated by religion imo) in Afrikaner culture.

[@Caroline72963]

If they both want to have a traditional marriage that’s fine, but he’s even got that idea twisted to suit his desires. He wants the privileges of being “man of the house” without himself remembering that being the man of the house comes with Responsibilities and roles he must fulfill. If you want a stay-at-home-wife, you need to consistently provide. He seems to be purposefully neglecting that side of things. Being partners is so much better than trying to stay on top.

[@ChristinaChrisR]

This👆🏼❤️ And I’m someone who has that kind of consensual relationship. Being the leader is NOT easy. If you want to get the advantages (from each role) , you also get to fulfill the responsibilities.

[@Hannah-cd1nh]

Exactly. If he wants her to be a traditional woman, he ought to be a traditional man.

[@gideonbrown2366]

if u are a woman and want to be the head of the household, you need to work full time, right?

[@heatherbukowski2102]

@@gideonbrown2366 This is based on HIS beliefs of what a man should be, and he's not even living according to those.

[@DJ-ue3zq]

So the gambling addict thinks he should be "leading" another adult in life? Riiiiiight.

[@vanirose]

Yeah, she helped him get back on his feet and now he's gonna lead her..

[@Shay416]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@kokolatte825]

Big yikes. Let's work on financial sobriety and perhaps some therapy before focusing on leading the family.

[@thebowandbullet]

This is about 100 paces past the dealbreaker line. Yikes.

[@nathi9149]

Episodes with Ronald trigger me. He reminds me of my father, though he was worse. The way he speaks to Daniel and triangulates him into his adult discussions with Tiffany, his horrible mismanagement of any money, his addict behaviors and past, and his antiquated male vs female views and just his overall stubborness/hard headedness... ughhh so icky (i can't really find the right word). At least he's gone though and I work past some of those things. But seeing Tiffany there dragging the kids through it... I see so much of myself as a kid, in Daniel. I feel for him, I really do. 💔

[@kickrocks71]

The way Robert talks to Daniel is cringe. It seems fake and controlling. If hes still around when he grows up, Daniel is bound to hate Robert for mistreating his mom. Trust, Rob is a disappointment and he wont change.

[@nathi9149]

@@kickrocks71 100%, he's a phony, a manipulator. The way he speaks to Daniel reflects that, and that Tiffany doesn't seem to see right through it the way pretty much all viewers do... is disturbing idk.

[@MsJeanneMarie]

I feel like gender roles is another one of those conversations you’re going to want to have before you get married… How do so many of these couples get deep into their relationships without ever discussing their basic philosophies and approaches to life?

[@Atomicqueen9]

Honestly idk I know me and my husband had all these discussions early into just talking not even dating. We hit all those big topics religious beliefs, politics, kids, abortion, lgbtq, monogamy, gender roles, core values. Also communication and honesty is such an important thing in a relationship and some people struggle with that.

[@MsJeanneMarie]

@@Atomicqueen9 haha yes! I’ve never been in a relationship where we didn’t discuss our philosophies because it’s intellectually stimulating conversation!

[@bobone866]

I agree with you. I was raised the way the guy was and talked about it with the woman i wanted to marry. We both agreed what our roles are. However im at the top but that doesnt mean she has no say. If anything, she has the most say over anyone just the buck stops with me. I do agree you should bring upbig talkong points and possible issues early on anf be honest. Otherwise, you invide unessesary conflict and drama.

[@daebak_hana]

They don't know how to establish functional relationships, hence why we need these videos.

[@RockyDaTherapist]

Some women believe in this like the son said in Welcome to Plathville The father is the head and the mother is the neck that turns the head. If that’s the family Ronald wants to have he needs to lead himself into being responsible and not lean on his wife for finances. I think Tiffany would be more open to accepting influence from Ronald if she felt she could trust his decisions.

[@kokolatte825]

Yes, this is the overall "alpha male" dilemma in a nutshell. The issue isn't women being too modern nowadays. Many women wouldn't mind following a leader who knows how to lead. I feel so many guys just skip that part and blame feminism.

[@RockyDaTherapist]

@@kokolatte825 I agree. It takes time and hard work to learn how to "lead". It doesn't just happen because you got married.

[@megannapier9269]

He wants the privilege of being the man leading the family without the responsibilities associated with it. He can't provide for his child or his wife, and can barely take care of himself. Tiffany on the other hand has held down the role of being the head of household in a financial and literal sense- so pretending that he is the leader of the family during one two-week trip is just ridiculous.

[@gideonbrown2366]

in short: women who do not work cannot be the head of a household.

[@marinaackermann8371]

As a South African, I am very well aware of the sexist beliefs in our culture. Ronald embodies it all very well. However, most men who are successful in maintaining a heterosexual relationship do so by realising that women are actually as good / better than them at some things. Whether that’s financial sense, interior design, or making big life decisions, they often figure out that they do in fact need women to “sit on their heads” sometimes. Hopefully Ronald will come to the same realisation at some point...

[@justcallmebon2684]

Ronald isn’t responsible enough to take on the leading role, even if his partner agrees. That would be a disaster

[@angelalurtz3638]

I recently watched a video about the top 5 most dangerous countries in the world for women, and South Africa was #1, with high incidences of each dangerous/oppressive factor which was taken into account by the survey. Even more telling for me was that the comment section was FULL of women from South Africa saying things like, "I knew SA would be on the list before watching the video," and, "If SA wasn't on this list, I was going to call BS."

[@user-ib2bt4ck7y]

Brutal :( SA seriously traumatizes women and ruins lives, I cant imagine what those women must go through.

[@mistym0rning]

I’m very surprised by this, considering there are other countries in the world where women still get stoned to death for even being suspected of cheating on their husbands. So I wonder what this video you saw used as criteria for determining the most dangerous countries. 🤔

[@angelalurtz3638]

@@mistym0rning this was according to the Women's Danger Index, which assigns quantitative data to 8 different factors, then adds it all up to see who gets the highest score (the higher the number, the more dangerous per their point system). The criteria were safety walking alone at night, homicide of women, non-partner sexual violence, intimate partner violence, legal discrimination against women, the global gender gap index, the gender inequality index, and attitudes regarding violence against women. The top 5 countries based on these criterion were, in order, Iran, Mexico, Russia, Brazil, and South Africa was #1 by a margin of over 100 points.

[@SamaraTrollero]

@@mistym0rning Which are....? Please name the latest incident you've read about

[@lwazzzyoutuber]

I'm South African and there are high incidences of sexual assault. As well as gender based violence/femicide. Granted in many aspects SA is modelled on the western world because of colonisation, so no stoning etc. but relative to other countries similar in socio-economic stature we seem to have so much more violence directed at women and children

[@kl6902]

Ronald should not be the one responsible for guiding the family and it’s not because of gender it’s because he clearly doesn’t make good choices.

[@helloterra34]

I enjoy your content so much. It combines my love of reality TV, psychology and analysis.

[@twiggyflacko]

One of the biggest issues is people going so far in relationships without discussing fundamental beliefs and ideas. Or talking about it and ignoring it until it gets to a point that it is make or break. That’s how it seems to me anyways.

[@mistym0rning]

So true!! People are definitely not using their rational, logical parts of the brain for the first few months (and sometimes, sadly, years) of new relationships. Maybe our “infatuation hormones” such as dopamine and endorphins make us literally a bit blind to seeing the other person for who they truly are… and whenever we see behaviors or values they exhibit that conflict with our own desires or values, some of us probably “ignore” these because we’re in love and don’t want to believe that this could become an issue later on. 🤨 It’s basically a form of wishful thinking and denial, until those issues start to really kick those people in the butt. The only way to avoid this, I feel, is to really WAIT to get married or have kids. Just date and spend time together for a LONG while before making any big decisions.

[@twiggyflacko]

@@mistym0rning I agree, I’ve done that more times than I’d like to admit. I think sometimes we just over look things as well; people might not even register the fact that what is ideal to them isn’t that way for everyone. Marriage or kids is probably the most relatable example, but if I grew up and everyone I knew had or wanted kids, and that’s what I decided; it may not even occur to me that some people don’t want kids. Then you go however long building with someone, until something happens that the subject is actually brought up. Late reply, and I’m rambling, hopefully I got it out somewhat coherently.

[@everythingiseverything9920]

My head would implode if I were in a MARRIAGE with a Ronald-of-the-world telling me that I'm stealing his manlihood, and that he needs to lead me in the right direction...

[@Starwildchild1]

Am I the only one incessantly checking to see if Dr. Honda uploaded his reaction to Season 2 of Darcey & Stacey?

[@rebalove]

Can't wait!

[@eurosis]

Oh, I would LOOOVE to watch that!

[@Nicerice88]

There’s a season two?! I hope he does a reaction

[@Starwildchild1]

@@Nicerice88 Yes. And it’s the delicious train wreck we all expect it to be 😏. Already two episodes in. Airs on Mondays.

[@TheGamingFilly]

Ronald can't even resist vomiting out $680 on Xmas decorations after he just finished arguing he couldn't afford a plane ticket to the U.S., can't abide a single ounce of pragmatic critique or feedback without just saying "omg you're such a bummer, you're bumming me out", doesn't understand how to parent his step-child without villainizing his partner to him and terrifying him by violating Daniel's very clear boundary and saying he's going to make him move to South Africa regardless of what he said he wants, and won't change the poopie diapers of the baby he actually SIRED... but thinks Tiffany should want to be "led" by him 😂😂😂🤢🤢🤢

[@audhdcreativity5899]

He is trying to force Tiffany and kids to move to South Africa.

[@digitalentertainment7584]

Someone should tell Ronald that all human embryos start as a female and let him sit with that! 😂

[@RichardE221]

I had the exact same reaction as Dr Honda when Ronald said women are from the rib of man. It pretty much shut everything down.

[@Halbmond]

If I want someone beneath me, I can get a dog. If I want someone above me, I can get a cat. A relationship should be based on standing next to each other!

[@lindarhodes7453]

As shocking as his views are, it's not his fault because of the influence of the culture he was born into and how he was socialized as a child. Fortunately, Tiffany knows who she is and what she is or isn't willing to accept. I'm definitely curious to see how this unfolds and if she's willing to stand by him as he or they as a couple work through this. It's going to be interesting!

[@shiina29]

It's not his fault he was socialized that way, but it is his fault that he's still acting this way. Even kids can realize that societal norms are wrong, and there's absolutely no excuse for adults.

[@symonew33]

I’m so confused because when he said that rib stuff he said standing beside. Not the woman following or the man leading but standing beside which indicates equals. I feel like he’s just pulling stuff outta his ass and adding Bible verses to make it sound good or legit.

[@keegankupcakes827]

True! I wonder if he thinks giving her more power isn’t equality, but that she would be above him.

[@DJ-ue3zq]

That part!

[@pinkpugginz]

hes meaning it as the woman was created from the rib of a man which means she is lesser than. when man was created out of nothing. or whatever the Bible says

[@justcallmebon2684]

@@pinkpugginz from dirt 😂

[@JLynnEchelon]

Yes, exactly. I hate this analogy to begin with, but using his own interpretation of that verse Tiffany should be next to him, not behind him.

[@destineeirons]

I can’t with these 7 min videos 😭

[@lucylohan8894]

It shocks me when people try to be “above” women. Like bruh we have Literal portals between her legs. Women create & birth life. How are you going to try to be above that 🤣

[@gideonbrown2366]

so essentially, female superiority is facts. Its quiet easy to use that reasoning to justify inequality

[@lucylohan8894]

@@gideonbrown2366 what?

[@Ola_Stawinska]

I dont want to shame anyone who has problem with addiction. But really it sounds rich from this guy that he want to lead her into right direction while we is not an example of someone who always makes right choices... 😶

[@Angel-hm9so]

Given his lack of control in other areas of his life, that he is holding on so hard with this area of control makes a lot of sense.

[@neilmettheworld]

In other cultures a man can be the dominate or lead, but in that situation he is responsible for taking care of the well being of the family, such as we are moving here because it is good for my career. In this situation, Ronald does not have the capability nor economic ability to garner that type of relationship.

[@cubanhashqueen2498]

0:25 perfect timing. Tiffany: I have a brain. Dr. Honda: That’s a debatable thing.

[@TheeCuteness]

You sound stuffy Dr. Kirk! Hope you're feeling well. Thanks for pushing through to bring us this video. Be well!!

[@katiethomas5889]

I am glad they are sharing how they feel, it is tough to deal with it when you have different values of gender roles.

[@HD-nt9fu]

This was exactly what I meant by Ronald having a culturally engrained variation of toxic masculinity.

[@danielschoolenberg7170]

Sounds like you got a cold, Dr. Kirk. Good on you for sticking with these reaction vids.

[@anzheika2966]

Really like your take on canceling people, very good point!

[@RichardE221]

I agree. It's the real hazard of cancel culture. Not changing the logo of Uncle Ben or the name of the Cleveland Indians.

[@KIMandROSS]

This is not a South African thing, it's a Ronald thing. Or at least it's not an English South African thing anyway - I can only really speak for my own culture. There are many, many cultures in South Africa so there really can't be any generalisations when it comes to South African culture, Ronald is Afrikaans but I know many Afrikaans families who don't have issues with sexist behaviours / structures and actually don't know many who do. We are from Cape Town though, it's possible that it's different in different parts of South Africa. I do feel like he's using this as an excuse for control though when actually what he needs to focus on is getting a grip on himself.

[@dianenudlbichler6369]

Ronald wants to lead? Just Wow! I live in SA my hubby was born here and raised by a German father. My husband has the mentality that he is in charge, knows everything & is the boss. I am Scottish and I was raised in SA and I was taught people are equal - so living with someone domineering is difficult- he has managed to learn that there are certain things that I am better at and will defer to me, likewise there are things he is better at. It’s not about superiority! It really ticks me off when Ronald talks about women like they are second rate citizens. If Ronald was so wonderful he would be able to realize he is not a demigod- just a man - and a weak one at that.

[@enchantedviolet]

It said “Alpha Up” lol

[@karennotAkaren1]

Would love for Dr Honda to watch Danielle and Garrick on seeking sister wives

[@chelseaa679]

Yessssss!!!!

[@yyaaii]

He's saying the woman should be by the man's side (equal) but is still suggesting he should be above her... what?!

[@KJ-ut4rw]

I really appreciated your view of cancel culture and I think it would be really beneficial to do an episode on this issue.

[@keegankupcakes827]

Wow, the sexism in this is mind-boggling… what a difficult position for Tiffany to be in!

[@damolaa1599]

I find it interesting how Tiffany always talks about how she wants Ronald to be a man and be the traditional man who provides for his family. And then Ronald who wants that but also to lead the family. They really both want the same thing but obviously Tiffany doesn't want to be traditionally submissive and that's totally okay.

[@Ola_Stawinska]

But it looks like he just want to lead without providing 😄 maybe she use that argument to force him to get a job, since hes suppouse to be tradicional?

[@pinkpugginz]

she wants them both to have a job and equally provide. Ronald doesn't want to work and save money

[@gideonbrown2366]

@@Ola_Stawinska women who dont work should not be able to lead families?

[@Ola_Stawinska]

@@gideonbrown2366 I dont think i understand your question, did I imply something like thst in my comment? O.o

[@daebak_hana]

I feel like these guys that talk about submissiveness on this show are the most irresponsible, immature ones. If they were such great, upstanding, responsible guys their wives would trust them and respect their leadership and decisions. But that's not what we see, like ever.

[@malcriada9087]

"once they face the possibility of 'enlightenment,' what can they do?" exactly. my spouse is from an extremely traditional culture, we're from different countries, and these are all things we discussed in the first weeks of our relationship. i was doing research abroad when we met, and so he didn't have a whole lot of experience with the kind of views i have on gender and gender roles. he was already familiar with feminism and had his own ideas (so he was already trying to get that knowledge), but to his immense credit he listened to me and took it on board, even if it didn't necessarily make sense to him, because he cared about me and because of that, took what i was saying seriously. at the same time, he's part of a minority group that faces a lot of discrimination in his home country, so i wonder if that is part of the reason ronald cannot (more likely will not) compute.

[@GosiaRogalska]

Dr Honda, what a person in Tiffany's place should do? How do you show somone as stubborn in his own culture another way of thinking & living?

[@TheMrsMane]

You don’t. If they want to change or learn something new then you can show them but you will never be able to change something as deeply ingrained in someone as culture, let alone when they don’t even want to

[@acd1168]

Ronald, she will never let you run things until you have money.

[@hope.0oo]

I don’t think it’s about money, it’s about his inability to manage it and his life. If he can’t manage himself, she would be crazy to let him controle her and her children’s life’s.

[@hope.0oo]

4:21 It was “Alpha up”

[@hopebullard460]

I'm praying that she doesn't get pregnant with him again!! I want her to RUN!

[@Twirlingbarbie]

uuuuuuuuugh cant even say anything about it, I don't have the strenght

[@sarahserenity3872]

Tiffany is so gorgeous 😍😍

[@thedudeabides5695]

Oooooo....yeeaahhhhhh.....

[@lizparker88]

Yet she still managed to completely screw her life up. At least she has her looks, I guess.

[@sarahserenity3872]

@@lizparker88 Huh? Is it surprising that pretty ppl don't have perfect lives?

[@thedudeabides5695]

@@lizparker88 "Her looks"? Are you guys serious?

[@thedudeabides5695]

@@windfishletusdream She's built like a Tank.

[@trista_official]

I will never understand how people have such different values for example this one and try to change one another and try to make it work.

[@annikeellis8087]

What he's saying sounds like the Christian mindset I grew up with. A man is the head and leads. The woman follows the man as he follows Christ

[@pinkpugginz]

yep he said the woman comes from the rib not the skull bone and he needs to lead her. yuuuck

[@kristi_cat7943]

Each can lead in their best way. The wife can pay bills, get the cars serviced, etc.Big deal.

[@sunnypie2]

I agree! People’s past as well as present and possible future thinking should be taken into count. People change and should be given the opportunity to make mistakes, learn from it and grow.

[@lizparker88]

This is one of the saddest stories in all of 90 day history. Can't really remember another instance of 2 innocent children being so manipulated and used. Tiffany needs to make better choices. Ronald is pretty much a lost cause.

[@julieeileen7299]

Poor Tiffany.

[@joywebster2678]

She chose to lay with him the addict, chauvinist and have a child. These are the consequences. Now they both need to change or go on their own way.

[@julieeileen7299]

@@joywebster2678 You aren't wrong, that's for sure.

[@megancooksey]

I want a partner not a dad.

[@leonyfourie3792]

As a South African I can say that Ronald's perspective is outdated. Most men in my circle don't hold those beliefs.

[@carmen4479]

You're lucky then. I'm a South African woman and most of the South African men (minus maybe 2) are exactly like this. Trying to talk to them about their behaviour results in churlish sullenness from their side and the cold shoulder unless you comply.

[@firelily0529]

"Standing next to" is different from "standing in front of (leading)"... I'm sure there are more Biblical evidence he can use to his advantage, but that one isn't the best one. Why do we sometimes have conversations where we say half agreements, but internally disagree? Is it because we are so scared of confrontation?

[@inesolujic2534]

Yikes 😬 a criminal gambling addict who can't manage money, keeps relapsing, etc thinks HE is the one who can properly lead them as a couple??? I wish I had 1/3 the confidence of that delusional fool. Wow.

[@lucindabreeding]

"alpha up" or something was a sign in the therapist's office. Blech.

[@gideonbrown2366]

why blech. hell, if a woman wants to be more 'alpha' i wont be getting sick

[@bobone866]

I was raised like ronald but he did a bad job of explaining it. People immediately assume that the man beeing the head or in charge is horrible and many other things. However the way that i see works best for most of the people i know is that the man is the head. However, his woman is the most important opinion that can be taken. When i make big choices i take my wifes opinions i take mine nd make the bet logical and calculated choice. it doesnt alays work out but the buck stops with me. I still explain to my wife why i made the choice wether it was in her favor or not. Either way the mistake this couple made was not talking about this early in their relationship.

[@marisolvazquez6582]

What kind of kool aid is he on??? The woman is the rib, not the skeleton?? Lmfao!!! What does being “The man” and his place look like? He keeps saying it, but I don’t see him doing anything.

[@MamiTT237]

Lol she’s bigger than he is! Girl is all of 300 pounds! She could take him any day! Who is she fooling???

[@daisyo.6666]

She's gorgeous.

[@erlindabrunt]

I like a partner who can be a friend and companion.

[@yousunlee159]

Could you react to the movie Cherry with Tom Holland in the scene when he goes to several psychologists trying to get help.

[@pituk08]

I wished he had review the video when Tiffany says he thinks he is the man but I am the man.

[@katarina6724]

This is random but I actually hate when people misquote that line from the Bible about the rib of Adam being taken out to make woman. There's a lot that is completely gone from the Hebrew translation. In the original Hebrew Bible, the first being was both male and female. Not a man. Important distinction and it's unfortunate this has been misquoted and used for such horrible ends.

[@Hi-to-ri]

What he said at the end about women and ribs.... They have that view in Islam too only they say women's brain is half of the men's so they need to be guided and beneath men.

[@imlovinit91]

Anyone else feel like dr Kirk gives the males on the show the benefit of the doubt more and tends to be more judgmental of the women? For example, he could have mentioned Larissa’s brainwashing due to society. I’m not trying to bash him, just want to share how I feel.

[@zadubaba9644]

It says, “Alpha UP.”

[@MsKiprusoff]

Ronald is a deadbeat

[@Jasmineabena21]

Hey, can you please react to Love island UK

[@stephaniehunker1947]

Suggestion: can you watch sister wives?

[@skylagonzalez2473]

how is misogyny a debatable thing??

[@gideonbrown2366]

pretty much everything is debatable, just like science, learning and argument never ends because of it does we just become complacent and dumb.

[@malcriada9087]

it was ALPHA UP

[@heatherbukowski2102]

sweet jesus why get in a relationship when the foundation of who each of you are based on gender are fundamentally different lol

[@ChristinaChrisR]

Regarding brainwashing. The ideas we hold today, in a particular society - I’m not American but let’s say for example now, in the western world - how are they gonna be looked upon in the future? How are we ourselves gonna think about this point in time, and the ideas we now in 2021 hold as high moral and truth, or to use dr Honda’s words here, enlightened, 50 years from now? Maybe we would all cancel our historical selves. 🤪 Anyway, I think it’s a thought worth keeping in mind.

[@wojtektolsdorf1738]

Trying to be so alpha is so beta.

[@Logic-km7ui]

Ronald does appear sexist, but gender politics aside, Tiffany bears some responsibility too in creating a healthy, respectful relationship. She is overly critical, which is just as poisonous as his misogyny.

[@ajadair2669]

I never knew SA was so bad about sexism. It’s so frustrating that there are places that aren’t ‘third world’ that treat people so poorly based on their gender

[@passingan1555]

Dr kirk, not staying its bot right to love and respect your wife as an equal but saying Ronald is brainwashed is a bit annoying because western culture also brainwashes you. One could say you are brainwashed just as equally by the things you are saying..m

[@cleopatrajones7096]

I’m not hearing what dr Honda is hearing. Tiffany emasculates Ronald. Everything he does is wrong. So he’s saying in an ungrateful way about male/female roles. He’s trying to say, “woman stop emasculating me!” From what I’ve seen, I think it would be hard for most men to be with Tiffany. She’s demanding and ungrateful and unappreciative.

[@traetonmcglohon4563]

Now that society is comfortable we have the equal partnership ideas. but from the beginning of time the natural order has been men protect and lead , women submit, preserve and reproduce.... We try to change these ideas in society but our nature will always revert to the norm. That's one reason why the marriage divorce rate is so high and people aren't getting married anymore. We are leaving traditionalism behind. And what we do now doesn't work long term. If Ronald accepts this , he'll be de masculated completely in that marriage. He also needs to get his mess together, financial etc, in order to lead efficiently

[@rebalove]

It's interesting you would say this because history shows how men have deliberately held women back to keep us dependent on them. The wage gap, the glass ceiling, educational restrictions, etc. Now that women are demanding equality, you see groups like the incels becoming more and more common. Women don't need to marry a man to survive. And men aren't special just because they are men. That's why marriage is declining. If you, as a man, want to marry, you have to bring more to the table than your gender. And if you want to stay married, you have to be worth it. Because we no longer need a man to survive, we have options. Whenever a man advocates for a "traditional" way of living, I always wonder why he needs someone to be beneath him. How is that considered strength? It's the definition of weakness.

[@gideonbrown2366]

@@rebalove if the tables are turned, then why arent women fighting to get men 'dependent on them', its speaks to an underlying difference in mate value.

[@traetonmcglohon4563]

@@laramariah where are those societies today ?? . Exactly