Pt2. Rebuild, Custom build with No POST - LFC

This custom build didn't start. Rambly video that I'm splitting into a two-parter as a test. Today we rebuild it with a new mobo.
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[@bigjoeangel]

It's amazing how well motherboards work when you don't obliterate the CPU socket.

[@samuelgonzalez7783]

I know right.

[@TLM-Nathan]

"If its a TUF itll work." Unless the pins are smashed by an angry ogre.

[@JohnDavidSullivan]

yeah - TUF - but within reason

[@britexitengineer1407]

ASUS Tuf is another word for plug & pray.

[@crylune]

@@britexitengineer1407 if ur not an idiot, not really. i'd give the plug & pray denomination to most gigabyte boards especially the B550 Aorus Pro which died on me and a lot of others users out of the blue.

[@britexitengineer1407]

@@crylune 2 DOA B550 TUF's were sent back & tested as duds I know a few others who have has issues with TUF's over the years.

[@someguy9466]

"Hmm I didn't get a notification" Checks for windows updates - 'no updates available' "Hmm I don't believe you" 10 minutes later - 'you need to restart your device to finish installing updates'

[@zx8401ztv]

I'm sure the owner will be happy as a dog with three trees lol.

[@lisab3396]

I specked out my second build back in 2011 and it worked fantastic for nine years, In late 2020, it began acting up. Your Vids and or others eluded to RAM and or CPU issues and to remove and check.... Tried several arrangements of RAM to no avail. Removed the CPU and it appeared ok. Taking a flashlight/torch and a magnifying glass, I saw just one socket pin bent. I assumed possible years of fatigue to be the cause. Gently trying to move it back into place, the damn pin fell away and into the other pins. My solution to removed that broken pin without damaging more pins was to take wide masking tape and kind of build a wall around the socket and over the top with a small gap. Using a Can of Duster, I hoped that I could blow the broken pin out and hope it would get caught on the tape and not get lodged somewhere on the motherboard. It worked perfectly! However, after replacing all components and restarting, it would not post! I really wasn't looking forward to buying a new computer package, but after failing to locate a new motherboard to match the rest of my gear, I ended up buying a Tenth Gen Z-490 Board, 10-600K CPU and 16GB DDR4 Ram. Set me back almost a $1000.00. Then when all hooked up and ready to go.... Went into Bios each time and no post?? After scratching my head for a long time and borrowing a Laptop to search my issues, I found that my old system SSD drives were MBR and the new System was GPT! So I had the drives changed for me. Quit a damn headache for sure but now I'm up and running again. Thanks Adam, Love your Vids.

[@wprivera]

Thank you for posting your videos. I really enjoy every project you work on. You are confident about what you know, and humble about the things you don't. Refreshing.

[@pugnboots5683]

Great work, very impressive. Hope to see you in your new shop soon.

[@TheVoidpure123]

Amazing looking build in the end! Given the very limited room for cable management, the result is really stunning!

[@3DPrintingFreak]

Nicely done. One happy customer and a lesson learned for him.

[@jaro6985]

You spent way more effort than I did building my own, PC. nice work.

[@marianmarkovic5881]

man 90% of me building pc was just cable managment,...

[@grimgar8573]

i love your channel sir! keep up the good work!

[@kvn864]

I have been waiting for this follow up .. thank you

[@sheek1982]

The "Golden Field" brand scares me.

[@jrc3950]

done over 30 builds over the past year and not had one fall yet but it is only £60 with fans

[@EvilTurkeySlices]

I believe this cooler is just a standard Asetek cooler.

[@Dieselfitter01]

Fantastic work through. Keep up the engaging content.

[@TheMhannah100]

Good job!

[@md-vl3lm]

I love your video in repairing and diagnostic computer problem.

[@torsson2]

You need to show how you applied the thermal paste so we can tell you that no mather how you did it, it was wrong.

[@dawn5227]

Always too little or too much, never the right amount

[@torsson2]

@@dawn5227 Exactly. Why can't youtubers just to it correct :D

[@dawn5227]

@@torsson2 😆 always

[@NoodlesTBograt]

@@dawn5227 Enter the Goldilocks zone

[@ryanmartie1244]

Nice job! RGB is always a PITA! All up and working though...so happy client w/ a good vid!

[@gulliblepeople2876]

RGB itself is worthless. Unless you need a nightlight, they do nothing to help the pc performance, etc. Just an added expense that could be used in other places. Like memory, storage, etc.

[@Firefoxsimp]

love the vids!

[@mrtom7017]

Fantastic job fair play

[@thiscouldntblowmore]

F7 for advanced mode first thing on that cursed UEFI. XD

[@MonsterConrad]

Sweet, new video. Within an hour of upload too! Too bad I live in America so its its currently 5 am so I'm super tired

[@mrfree2ita]

You did not forget the thermal paste, did you? :)

[@beardyface8492]

He uses special "edited out" brand thermal paste, saves the too much/not enough comments.

[@lethargic.]

this 2 part video feels like a movie, where you kinda want a part 3 but its all over lol

[@drummonkeystuffuk1875]

I went for an aorus pro x570 for my 3900X build - love it xD

[@QuentinStephens]

Nice job. I'm glad you've seen the light on cable ties. A small point but how about putting a grille on that rear fan to make sure it doesn't affect the radiator hose? They're not exactly expensive and you can even get them in RGB

[@deelkar]

I almost did not watch, I suggest you put "part2" in the title.

[@retrogamer33]

Why should he do that just for you, he said in the video a few days ago it was going to be a 2 parter.

[@Kalmte55]

How can you almost not watch a new video he's uploaded? :S

[@deelkar]

@@retrogamer33 Hey I did watch it, didn't I? But to the casual observer this looked like the first one again instead of pt2.

[@MrBook123456]

good video

[@zMeul]

on those RGB chain connectors I do some electric tape as they don't have any locking on them and they can disconnect

[@paulreeves1787]

Good channel iv subbed 👍

[@danielodonnell8998]

awesome

[@DavidLeeMenefee]

Nice, thumbs up.

[@NebukadV]

Nice work and nice video - as usual ;) However, there were two things, I noticed: - I did not see you applying thermal past. I hope, that part just got cut out same as the SATA-Cables. - You mounted the fans on the radiator 90° in respect to each other. That is usually a good thing, since then the cables come out at the same edge. However, with ARGB - especially of they are just paralled up - that leaves you with 90° shift for all effects on those LEDs. Not a problem for solid colors of course, but on the "Rainbow-Ring" as I will call it, you can clearly see that.

[@Adamant_IT]

Yea thermal paste and SATA cable stuff often gets cut for time-saving 👌 RGB fans, yea these are non-addressable so that isn't a problem. But you're correct, ARGB fans I always make sure they're in the same orientation for that reason!

[@NebukadV]

@@Adamant_IT Thanks for the reply! I can now sleep a tiny bit better knowing, that there is thermal paste on that CPU :) As far as I understood it, the 3 fans on the front of that case are (analog) RGB - so one solid color. However, the ones on the radiator are the "fancy" ones, that can have a "rainbow-ring" going around them. And at 29:20 it looks to me, as if that ring is 90° offset from one fan to the other. So these are in fact (Addressable) ARGB ones, are they not?

[@IanChapman]

Nice tip with the masking tape

[@macmac7774]

very nice!

[@mypeeps1965]

Never tighten your zip ties until you have run all your cables thru. Another thing, tape your RGB connectors with electricians tape to keep them from pulling apart. Otherwise, nice job!

[@iminfinite8282]

Ah yeah, the pin pillagers PC :D What a barbarian!

[@bartburg9050]

love your videos make me want to troubleshoot and build pc's

[@egidiminasegi534]

What about thermal paste? Did you edit it out? p.s enabling xmp profile before installing windows isn't the best idea :(

[@Adamant_IT]

Thermal paste is an unwinnable fight. However I apply it, someone will tell me I'm wrong, and if I edit it out, everyone will think I didn't put any on 🙃 XMP before windows - yea I normally advise waiting, the issue is if a new build crashes, you might not know if it's XMP or not. But if you know what XMP crashes look like it doesn't really matter, if I see memory errors, then I'll know it's likely XMP.

[@Rusty_Gold85]

You should cable management trying to cut over a 800 pair Copper cable onto a repair section in a manhole -says a telecommunication technician

[@lilchris26]

Nice video, I have been watching a few of your videos lately, something I missed on this one was when you were rebuilding I never saw you use any thermal paste, or was there a heat pad on the new pump pre fitted?. ...

[@Adamant_IT]

Yup, always new thermal paste in there, it just often gets cut in the montage

[@nbrowser]

And now from a PC repair expert...I'm an oddball, I had a Core i7 7700K fail on me...in over 25 years of PC building and whatnot...my first failed processor. They are made well, just thankful it failed while it was under warranty...Intel couldn't replace it though with no stock. They sent me a cheque for it...which was used to buy a X570 board...

[@THEZONEXP]

So is the asus tuf best bank for buck ? Awesome video I love watching your videos :)

[@TheLateral18]

I have a tuf x570 is awesome. Memory oc is delicious

[@traaaaan]

I dont think I saw sata data cables hooked up to the drives nor mobo before you closed up the back. Just sata power? The two drives also didn't appear in the bios, just the m2.

[@NoodlesTBograt]

they magically appear at 30:00

[@Smakheed]

They are NOT CORSAIR Icue fans. BUT, if you wished to control those non corsair fans and CPU cooler then all you need is a corsair core node and adaptor cable and effects are attainable.

[@anorax001]

I’ve noticed the initial power cycling with the last two PC’s I have built using ASUS motherboards. It seems to be a process the ASUS BIOS goes through when detecting new CPU and RAM components. This occurred on my old ASUS Maximus IX Code and my current ASUS Z490 TUF. Each power cycled about three or four times before fully starting up.

[@zulu6756]

this is why i really like intel builds, because it usually takes alot to break an intel platform something would have to be very very wrong for them not to even get to the post screen, and the fact that most of their regular processors come with onboard video is a huge bonus, if you want to know if there is something wrong with your video card, you can just take it out completely, get the video cable plugged into onboard graphics and boom get your answer right away, even though ryzen is good i find i really do not like the platform that much, it can be very troublesome for so many reasons, that i often find myself pretty much avoiding trying to give build advice for those ones.

[@ques1134]

when i hear ROG, ROG,FROG,LOG like its ok u can say R ... O ... G Republic of gamers

[@bssb4186]

Haoevaaah approved!

[@haxxorsheep]

Forgot to show the viewers thermal paste. LOL What I like to do on a AIO is make it the intake and not an exhaust like you did but that's just me. I WISH MY AIO SAID GOLDEN FIELD. I fell ripped off my only says Corsair.

[@hjbonder1199]

i have a suggestion for the fan headers, all the fan headers are 1A 12 W q-fan controlled, the AIO pump header is 1A 12W Full speed, w pump header is 3A 36w full speed (default speed)

[@Adamant_IT]

Yea you're correct, the w/pump headers are higher rated. But they work in the same way, so you can plug fans into them as well.

[@hjbonder1199]

Ok, thanx, i thought the fans would online turn fulltime speed, good to know,

[@angelledesma1195]

I got a MSI Z490i Unify board and when I took the cpu off it had mangled pins and MSI RMAed it and I'm so glad I didn't have to buy a $270 USD board

[@Sonic_1000]

I stumbled across your channel and it’s brilliant

[@aczdc69]

you put paste on that cpu right?

[@fredflintstone1]

Hmm are the cooling hoses not a tad close to the case fan??

[@summerbreak100]

Good work mate but what about not pluged in Sata 6 Gb cables on drives? (26:17) :-)

[@CXensation]

Faaaan tastic!

[@liaminwales]

My X570 Tuf was DOA, random luck hits some times. Found it funny that the RGB lit up on a dead MOBO. But id take a DOA part over a random fault every day.

[@Adamant_IT]

Yea, the RGB controller is stand-alone and runs on 5VSB, so it's keep working even if you stab a screwdriver through the mobo ;)

[@qT_p13]

I have an x570 tuf gaming. It also does power cycle with a scary kind of tick noise. Maybe its a tuf thing.

[@amyfranchuk6704]

26:55 I believe that’s a non-super, it’s got the MSI Armor cooler on it which was retired with pre-refresh turing (apart from the oddball 5600 XT that I own) EDIT: I am wrong, it appears the 1660S got an armor version, just not the RTX supers

[@ronyszkusz]

Is the CPU "backplate falling off" just a TUF brand problem or is it a common problem around the other brands as well? I have a TUF x570 and a Ryzen 3600 in it, and when I disassembled it for cleaning purposes, I wasn't prepared for the plate to fall off, I was internally screaming for like 5 minutes.

[@gerydblackmore5484]

just upgraded my PSU gone from a Novatech 750 w Black 80+ Bronz) to a nice EVGA 650 w 80 + Gold. wow nicw and quiet. the old nova works but noisy. will keep as a test psu. x

[@atleyflenner]

22:53 the verge was right, you do need tweezers to build a PC.

[@temporaltomato3021]

22:50 - Is it normal to have the PSU fan facing upward into the case? Isn't downward better assuming there is ventilation there?

[@AOEOt31os]

Typically downward is the standard, but some people like to go against the grain and argue for upward facing because .. "reasons"..

[@Revy9211]

Did you put new thermal paste on the cpu cooler ?

[@MasterJediSean]

You should menmtion that people should keep the LGA1200 or should I say Intel socket cover as if they needed to RAM the board, it will not be accepted if received without it.

[@arthurdanielles4784]

Re newbies etc, SOME cases provide an RGB controller often with remote control. (RESEARCH!!) Those are generally 3 pin as shown here.. Asus have headers on some of their m'boards 3 pin for ARGB using AURA software downloaded to control the setup etc ONSCREEN. My system has 6 fans and they all work (PROVEN - tested long term no probs.) HOWEVER the manual etc does tell you not to exceed x number of LEDS ! My fans did not! 4 pin configurations are 1. DATA 2, 3 4 Red, Green, Blue.. and my Asus mobo has 4 pin OUT aswell as the 3 pin configuration. Some fans for LED etc have a 6 pin plug attached and they operate off a control box with 6 pin OUT headers.. 2 of those pins are for the fans.. others re LEDs etc... plenty of info on YT re the whole scenario on LED fans etc. Some LED fans have OUTER RING only. Some you can change the outer ring slotting it on the side you want to see etc re position in the case. My drives are fitted to the backplate which leaves where the trays are free for ie burying cables etc. TIP A magnetic screwdriver when putting screws INTO various places on the motherboard will often stop accidentally dropping the screws OR particularly if your fingers are like the Hulk 🙄🤣🤣 Another great vid.. If you missed it, do check out the vid on this computer with its original mobo in situ that would not post etc.. a truly jaw dropper that one👀 an invaluable lesson to NEVER forget.. Stay safe, whoever wherever you are and keep the vids coming 👌

[@Luizzmp3]

Did he place the perfect amount of thermal paste on the cpu? I was watching while working. I might have missed him saying or doing it.

[@MrFlunkorg]

Seeing that little ventilation kind of makes me groan... especially when good ventilated cases can be get at cheap prices.

[@TheOneTonHammer]

So three fans pulling in the front, two fans blowing from the top and one in the back ISN'T good ventilation? While I think the case aesthetics are crap, ventilation wouldn't be my complaint.

[@Adamant_IT]

It's not exactly a mesh-front case. But I reckon the front vents are enough for those fans to catch the air. I've seen much worse run just fine.

[@ldenorio]

do you find that the power sata cables put unnecessary strain on the connectors because they are so close, wouldn't extensions mean less pressure?

[@Adamant_IT]

There's a bit of strain there, yes. I find that bending the cable a bit before hand makes it acceptable. The cable doesn't mind being bent, and then it's not under so much tension.

[@clincher]

Graham - what are your thoughts about using velcro instead of zip ties? Velcro seems so much more versatile and can still hold down wires well. I use a .75" (2cm) wide velcro roll - cut it in half down the middle and they work great for all sorts of cable tying.

[@Adamant_IT]

I've got a roll of velcro in the shop for this exact reason. And I keep forgetting to use it.

[@clincher]

@@Adamant_IT I'm going to ship you a GIANT roll if you don't start using it! Cheers and thanks for the great content!

[@VOLTRONDEFENDER4440]

At 18:16 that’s painters tape

[@mickholling6819]

You could grab the memory and use it for testing as if it get fried you wont that unhappy.

[@my-yt-inputs2580]

Ugggg! Guess I've never seen an AIO backplate work the way that one does. All the ones I've used are secured to the motherboard and not loose fit until pump attached. This is a Corsair AIO?

[@jrc3950]

no it is an icy chill

[@lm_dccxl4078]

1:51 This. Last week I had this bizarre problem were the windows installation didnt recognize the ssds and hdds and even live linux distros cant see them. I tried everything and the last thing was the cpu, i was "thats stupid, no way a cpu can do that".... It was the damn cpu xD.

[@The_Slippery_Slope_NZ]

No thermal paste on the CPU?

[@rijaja]

When you say that the audio is mediocre, is it across all TUF gaming MBs or this model specifically? I personally have the B450 Plus Gaming and although I sometimes have sound issues, it's not the quality.

[@wynard]

I understand it as: It's not the highest end Realtek Onboard Audio Chip, but it's decent enough. The majority of MBs have just middle of the range audio chips and for most use cases that's fine.

[@Adamant_IT]

Yea most people don't need high end audio on their mobo. Either their headphones won't care, or they're using a USB headset with a tiny little DAC in it anyway. Fancy mobos can drive high-impedance studio headphones - but then arguably if you care that much about sound quality, you should have an external DAC.

[@GhostRider247]

bit of a schoolboy error connecting the aio pump header before installing the radiator Adam ;) ...

[@TheOneTonHammer]

All z490 motherboards have capable VRM's. The Tuf Gaming, while arguably the best in VRM performance, isn't significantly better than 2nd place. A dramatic difference would be in the b550 motherboards where the Aorus Master is 10 degrees cooler than the 2nd place entry and is WAY overengineered compared to other b550 entries.

[@changestyleman]

no antistatic bracelet? it's that wool that you are wearing? xD

[@PokèMyBalls]

I never understood why modern boards have old 4 pin analog headers. I don't mind if they include a 3 pin 5v as well. I usually prefer one 12v and two 5v.

[@cmcmanus1974]

am i blind or did you not put any paste on the CPU or did you just leave the pre-pasted surface of the AIO which would be weird considering it had already been used and would surely smudge around after being removed etc....

[@thqp]

He had it on, but the way he edited the video made it really hard to spot. I almost made the same comment myself because of that

[@RVail623]

At 29:45 the bios version shows as version 1208. That's the latest non-beta version, but two beta bios versions are also available for download.

[@cjmillsnun]

If I was doing a build for a customer, the last thing I would use is a beta BIOS. For my own PC I might chance it, but for a customer system I want something stable.

[@tonybarden8563]

@@cjmillsnun i couldnt agree more , it would be very very foolish to use beta bios for customers

[@RVail623]

@@cjmillsnun Yes, but should be standard procedure, to at least check whether any non-beta bios updates are available, before returning to customer. If an 11th gen. Intel CPU was being used, a beta bios is the only current option.

[@argh6666]

The AIO tubes are too close to the back fan IMO.

[@crowdaddy6472]

Question did he take other motherboard back and this was a replacement or did he just buy another motherboard? Motherboard is TUF cpu socket pins are fragile think this guy thought the cpu socket pins where TUF

[@Killswitch1411]

I had a strange issue with my Strix Z490 I updated the bios it said successful, computer turned off then back on and it never posted fine again.. I got a 4F post code. I tired to reflash and it seemed to reflash ok but still same issue.. Got a new Mobo popped in the cpu in the trouble mobo and I kept getting blue screens installing windows on the new board.. Popped in a different cpu a 10700k and everything worked ok.. Idk wtf happened my 10850k was damaged in the process of updating bios. Strix Motherboard still works ok and update with through ok. How could that even happen?

[@verk6479]

I think they do use the exact same VRMs as the Strix ones, At least they do on the X570s

[@Adamant_IT]

IIRC, they're similar, but not the same. These are DrMOS powerstages where as the Strix boards use Smart Power Stages, which are the next rung up. These are still way beyond your usual quad discrete mosfet setups that other brands usually go for.

[@aaronthompson8260]

did you install all the Sata data cables?

[@Adamant_IT]

Yea they got done - I always forget them during the build and then notice after I can't see any drives in windows setup!

[@GregMurch]

Would love to see a test of cable managed vs Non cable managed to see if it affects air flow and or temps, or just peace for my eyeballs.

[@NoodlesTBograt]

Cable management for me is about being able to replace any component without having to rewire the whole system

[@Adamant_IT]

Yea, it doesn't have any meaningful impact on performance - it's more an aesthetic/maintenance access thing.

[@delling100]

Maybe you can make a video just about wiring fans. THX

[@Faith.in.His.Grace.]

I like building pc's, but I detest cable managing the fan and RGB wires

[@dudedelicious]

Did Graham just forgot to put thermal paste on the cpu? (No disrespect to Graham or anything, just wondering. It can happen to the best :))

[@chemscrambler7589]

i was thinking the same?

[@jeremysaise]

Or he cut it to avoid the your doing it wrong discussion

[@dudedelicious]

@@jeremysaise I guess :)

[@wazhoola14]

This is all great and that but, really, how the hell did the CPU socket pins get so damaged? That didn't happen by dropping the CPU on it. You gotta spill the beans Graham, it's driving me nuts!

[@temporaltomato3021]

I wonder if the user thought he had to press down the CPU until it..."clicked" or something. Stupid, but the only thing I can think of that's not borderline intentionally destructive. Or somehow decided to press down the cooler, *before* the CPU cover was down? idk man

[@Adamant_IT]

You'd be surprised... You drop the CPU and go "o shit!" Then you fumble to try and pick it up and drag it across the pins a second time... and before you know it you've left a crater behind.

[@wazhoola14]

@@temporaltomato3021 Yeah it's possible, not totally convinced.

[@wazhoola14]

@@Adamant_IT Still not totally buying this either Graham, I think hammers were involved!

[@j.n.j.vanveenendaal2708]

Customer will be back soon because that old spinning hard drive is not going to work without a sata cable, just saying! Otherwise good video.

[@mikewatson6848]

Ways to Fix The UE4-Shootergame Game Has Crashed and Will Close Issue what is this how do i got rid of it

[@dohnuts4405]

I bought a Asus RoG Strix z490E and I could of saved $100 and got the tuf board instead. For what I'm using it for I would not have noticed a difference.

[@badonrani4059]

How much it cost

[@MIK33EY]

Have to ask - did the customer explain/own up to what happened to the previous board? 🙂✌🏼

[@Adamant_IT]

Bit sheepish about it, but I wasn't ragging on them. At the end of the day it doesn't matter, mistakes happen, they've stumped up on a new mobo, and all's well now 👌

[@MIK33EY]

I was only curious to know how it happened- wasn’t meaning to make fun or belittle. 🙂✌🏼

[@sethrd999]

Quick question what does RGB do for performance?, its worse than sticking a body kit / go faster stripes or loud exhaust on a crap car ergo its still a crap car. RGB on a PC is a total waste as far as the computer is concerned.