PT5000 movement part 2 the follow up video

Hello and welcome to my follow up part 2 video talking about the PT5000 movement.
Please check out part 1 before watching.
• PT5000 Movement - What...
In todays follow up I am going to do a few tests with 3 watches and I am interested to share with you the results.
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[@BCallum]

I have several watches with the PT5000 movement. No issues here. I too prefer the PT over the NH if offered. They run more accurate. Cheers from Atlantic Canada.

[@WATCHingJames]

That’s great to hear. It’s hard to say they are perfect with my limited experience with them. But so far so good and I’m very happy with them.

[@pmckeown22]

I too am from Atlantic Canada!

[@milon5378]

Me too ! Totally agree with you ! The pt5000 is better than the NH35

[@WRS_WatchReviews]

How much would it cost to service a PT5000 if taken to a repair shop?

[@alamore5084]

The PT5000 deserves another video! Now I am coming to consider movements other than the NH35 these are the types of factors I am thinking about.

[@WATCHingJames]

Part 3 on the list. 😁

[@vladchan]

ETA movements are notorious for breaking if you wind them manually too often which explains the horrible grinding noise.

[@WATCHingJames]

Thanks for WATCHing

[@cosmodoc]

This review has been one of your best ideas so far!

[@WATCHingJames]

Thank you. I found it very interesting to make.

[@WATCHingJames]

Welcome to my follow up video to the PT5000 movement. Check out the first part before watching if you have not seen it.

[@briancolyer8483]

I do enjoy follow videos, it's good to get more info later on, quiet often with watch reviews it isn't easy to get follow ups as scheduling gets tight with all the new releases....🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿⌚🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿⌚

[@georgecostanza2695]

Great insight, thanks for sharing!

[@Deanlok65]

Thank you for the video! Was a good one that I was looking for

[@WATCHingJames]

That’s great. Thanks for WATCHing

[@brianmsahin]

Great video James, this was a really great idea. I don't have a watch with a PT5000 and this definitely gives me more confidence in having a watch fitted with it. Much appreciated!

[@WATCHingJames]

Thanks Brian

[@naomiredpath4351]

An excellent review, thanks James👍

[@WATCHingJames]

👍

[@briancolyer8483]

I've just got my first PT5000, must admit it does feel and sound really good when winding....

[@WATCHingJames]

I really like them. Most of the other reviews seem to say the same. Which is good to see

[@smokeylake3150]

If you want accuracy get quartz or solar/ echo drive. Automatic hardly matches the accuracy of Quartz

[@WATCHingJames]

Thanks for WATCHing

[@oktc68]

Really interesting follow up. I think this is enough to give me the confidence to try the PT5000, a movement which I've been interested in for some time but lacked the confidence to try. Thanks.

[@WATCHingJames]

Thank you. I have been enjoying them and wanted to share my experiences.

[@robocopvn]

this channel deserve much much more subs, great job !!

[@WATCHingJames]

Thank you. I really appreciate your support.

[@marcjames3487]

Great video James, and I'm looking for a PT5000 next ! Love to see you comparing more movements. I just got an NH35A Cadisen and I'm really impressed with the accuracy. Still going strong 24 hours after a full wind.

[@WATCHingJames]

The NH35 is a great movement. Reliable and I have always found them to run within 10 seconds a day

[@goldfools5445]

I have seen a few reviewers stating the movement is rough and gritty. Your comparison shows it’s totally consistent with its cousin’s.

[@WATCHingJames]

Thank you. I thought it was a good and interesting idea to put them side by side.

[@MirrlyonTime]

Great video James! Unique haven’t seen another video quite like it. Learning more about movements all the time, I don’t have a watch with a pt5000 movement yet

[@WATCHingJames]

Thanks mate. I find it interesting thinking about these things.

[@eichenlaub571]

Thank you very much for your test and reviews! You have done a marvelous job! I always have the idea that Chinese movements are way inferior than the Swiss and the Japanese movements but I was wrong after owing this same watch from Escapement Time,Type B flieger watch. And today I saw your review on this movements which convince my belief!

[@WATCHingJames]

I’ve been really happy with the few that I have. The escapement time in particular I love. It is a wonderful watch. Thanks for WATCHing

[@michaelzuccardo5414]

Great review, James. I have this movement in several watches, and I love it! In my experience, it runs and feels just as good as the original ETA, the Sellita SW200, and the STP1-11, generally staying at 0 to + 2 sec a day. I wish more microbrands would up to this instead of the Seiko NH series (the NH35'S, 38'S etc, tend to run significantly slow, and seldom appear to be well regulated out of the box).

[@WATCHingJames]

Thanks Michael. I think they are a solid movement and do feel on par with the ETA (in my limited experience). I agree that other small brands should consider using this movement. I’m surprised that it is not being used more.

[@watchalot919]

I have had it in three of my watches. Two were great, and very accurate. However, I did have one in a Cronos watch, and it had a dry reverse wheel stem, which I lubricated myself. I should point out, Cronos customer service is dreadful. The crown action you refer to changes from watch to watch, not just movement to movement. These movements are extremely easy to regulate, as there is a micro adjustment screw. The positional variance is excellent compared to the majority of other movements, unless you spend a lot more

[@WATCHingJames]

I’ve been happy with them so far. It will be interesting to see what they are like in the long term.

[@damo010]

Great video, but please wind them with more care, softer and slower as they all have a weak manual winding cog that strips the teeth with ease. winding like that will break then in short order.

[@WATCHingJames]

Very good to know. Thank you.

[@Ali4451_]

Great video

[@WATCHingJames]

Thanks Ali

[@richarddsmarais3865]

Found that the winding mechanism is quite weak and prone to breakage on the PT, same as the early ETA2824-2... The SW200 is trouble free. Bothe the swiss movement have much higher quality control for their internal gears and assembly then the Chinese clone... Cheers

[@WATCHingJames]

I was just having that conversation with my local watch maker. The quality of the parts of the movement are likely to not be as good as the Swiss movements.

[@richarddsmarais3865]

@@WATCHingJames Same with HangZhou movements... Just had one serviced (6040 gmt) and by the time the watchmaker was done bringing it to Swiss standard, he had to polish the gears, of course clean and lube it properly and fix the winding mech... it costed me more than the price of the San Martin in came in... Had a few PT's fail, never bothered to get them fixed If I have the option to upgrade to an SW200 will do it every time! Cheers

[@RoberttSmithh]

Yeah my handwinding mechanism already broke. Disappointed but at least it’s an automatic

[@WesWatchRoom]

Great comparison mate, really interesting to see how the PT stacks up against the Swiss. I've always been impressed with the movement whenever I've had it and now I know it fares well against the real thing too

[@WATCHingJames]

Thanks mate. Love your new channel as well.

[@RoberttSmithh]

Guys don’t hand wind so often. Just wind it 5-10 times to start it up and let the automatic do it’s job. My hand winding mechanism already broke

[@WATCHingJames]

That disappointing to hear.

[@michaelkerwin4755]

Do I have to wind it at all can I just move the rotor around then set the time?

[@LymanPhillips]

@michaelkerwin4755 You can always do the "Seiko shake!"​

[@michaelkerwin4755]

Yea that's what I've been doing an I only have to do it 2 or 3 times put it on an I'm good my PD holds to for 2 days so I started wearing it everyday thank u

[@1oscarbravo]

@@michaelkerwin4755 Just move the rotor and then set the time. That's actually the best way. Automatic watches are not designed to be handwound. The crown and stem are the most vulnerable part of the watch. Let the rotor do its job.

[@Vidmr2407]

very good sir!

[@WATCHingJames]

Thanks David

[@bigwhiteyeti]

Great to see the PT5000 Escapement Time featured here - I have that watch. I've had it about 6 months and it keeps excellent time. A consistent +6s/d with 0.2ms beat error. I'm pleased to know it compares favourably to the original. Of course, it's too young to know how good the longevity is but I hope it will still be running well in years to come.

[@WATCHingJames]

It is an amazing watch. One of the best I’ve bought from AliExpress. I think the movement will be fine longer term.

[@bobr9731]

Good test always thought the Chinese movements would be inferior. Run a nh35 against them. Great video idea. Thanks

[@WATCHingJames]

Thanks Bob.

[@martinsaunders7925]

The mainspring quality of this pt5000 is good. Be interesting to see how well it holds up to continuous use. Most watch reviews are not for daily wear movements.

[@WATCHingJames]

Mine have been performing well over the last couple of years.

[@alandiesprana8128]

4:20 that grinding noise, remind me of my mido watch, which to have exactly the same ETA movement. HKPT clone it too perfectly.

[@WATCHingJames]

I think this movement and all of the different clones have this characteristic. I’ve owned lots now and it has been consistent.

[@alandiesprana8128]

@@WATCHingJames Just order a steeldive with PT5000 movt, hope it will arive in 3-4 days. Very curious with this budget hi-beat movt. Last time I have the mido it was a bad experience. The crown was hard to wind and hard to pull off. Hopefully the steeldive one are better due to larger and longger crown.

[@watchsixto]

Awesome comparison on the movement James never had any experience with the PT5000 only ETA probably should get a PT5000

[@WATCHingJames]

I’ve been impressed with the couple I have and will be getting another in the sale later this month.

[@nischalsheodayal]

The Seestern ...looks good ...but that Feleid Wacth lookssss....

[@WATCHingJames]

Thanks for WATCHing

[@markthomas741]

Thanks for the interesting review of the PT5000 I had been considering one in my next watch, but reading through the comments and researching elsewhere it seems the movement has the potential for not being reliable long term, usually the hand winding mechanism fails. It just goes to show how good and adequate the NH series of movements really are for the price.

[@WATCHingJames]

I’ve heard a few stories of them failing as well. I have not had that experience thankfully.

[@marksman83de]

It would certainly be useful to look at the rate deviation over different positions. In my opinion, the static rate deviation in one position is unsuitable to conclude the quality. If only because this could be easily readjusted.

[@WATCHingJames]

That is true. Perhaps I’ll do a part 3 😁

[@marksman83de]

@@WATCHingJames OK, then I promise to look at it, of course. Basically, it makes absolutely no sense to measure only one position with the time balance. If you measure several positions, then you can at least say something about the quality of the escapement. This is crucial for the quality of a watch, because the watch can only be finely regulated within these limits. The higher the deviations between the positions, the more the rate changes when the wearing or storage conditions change. On the timing scale, I'll turn every caliber to 0 for one position, as long as it's reasonably okay. For these measurements, however, the watches should be as equally wound as possible, e.g. one hour after full winding. Demagnetizing beforehand is also a good idea. A second measurement at about 50% of the power reserve would be the next step, and at a changed temperature would be the supreme level of investigation. All this makes a lot of work and unfortunately hardly anyone will understand it ;)

[@WATCHingJames]

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[@sean550]

Cost of a watch...my citizen eco drives have 3 are nearly maintinance free ..my automatic about five of them not got any serviced yet...one got magnetised but I sorted that ,is a steinheart ocean 1 2824...was my most accurate until recently it didn't loose a second in a week now its about 5 plus a day ..Still good...keep up your reviews ...sean cobh ireland...just awaiting a new one from kickstarter mmi with washi dial..Will have in May..

[@WATCHingJames]

That sounds interesting. I love an interesting dial. Thanks for WATCHing

[@jazzman5598]

Fine vid James. I have an SW-200-1 in my 36 mm Glycine 300 M Combat Sub, winding uber smooth and quiet when winding. I have a Revue Thommen Airspeed with either a 3 Hrtz (only thing my research has shown is Chinese clone…..I do not have a time grapher yet) or a 4Hrtz SW-500-1 which is also a Val Joux 7750 clone. I would LOVE to see a vid on the VJ 7750 3 sub dial movement in the classic style, Day/date at the 3, 12 hour totalizer at the 6 and running seconds @ the 9 and 30 minute totalizer at the 12. Whatever it is, after 25 days on wrist always on except to shower. Running 2.5 seconds a day fast. I will keep this regardless. Winds SO smoothly with again, no noise. Finally, I too am a total fan boy for Steinhart. I have a 90 series ETA 2893-2 in my 39mm Ocean One Vintage GMT. This is an equivalent to the Sellita 330 series so, not apples and oranges but man, super smooth winding, no clicking clacky sounds….just smooth. I had never had such a gorgeous movement in any watch I own. Please consider a vid on the Val Joux 7750 and it’s clones. I really enjoyed this 2 part series. Good work Sir!

[@WATCHingJames]

The Val Joux is a movement I would love to own. Just have to find the right watch at the right price.

[@karategk1]

I have the PT5000 in a Tandorio Pilot watch and love the smooth running 2nd hand and the feel of winding it. It is a great high beat movement. My only regret is that the back is a screw down sealed back, so I can't enjoy looking at the movement.

[@WATCHingJames]

I really like the PT5000 but I think a solid caseback is actually my preference with this movement. Because it’s not the best looking movement but mostly because it can be a little loud when the rotor spins. The display case backs allows you to hear it more than a solid caseback.

[@NathanChisholm041]

Your not missing much mate its just a work horse movement!

[@rage8kage]

I had no particular scepticism about the accuracy of the pt5000. Maybe a little about its robustness or shock resistance. But it the price im quite happy to buy one. Time will tell. But I am surprised by the power reserve that you got out if the experiment. At a stated 42hr it's already not a Monster in this category but getting only 30hrs is disappointing. I suppose it doesn't really matter in real practical life. As long as it last over night

[@WATCHingJames]

It surprised me too. It might just be this example but as you say. In real life it does not matter and it has never effected it performance whilst I’ve been wearing it.

[@hrs.ai2018]

I got pt5000 on san martin that run under 5sec a day

[@WATCHingJames]

That is great. I have found mine are all running well.

[@vonkruel]

Interesting! A few thoughts: 1. I've been really impressed by the durability of my NH35. It has taken a few bad shocks, and I've done a lot of cycling with it, but it still keeps good time (even if there isn't a nice solid line on the timegrapher anymore). I wonder how the NH35, 2824, SW200, and PT5000 would all stack up in a shock tolerance test. I don't expect you to do this testing! 2. Speaking of regulation, +8 spd is in my "good enough zone" [+2,+10] and I wouldn't adjust the rate from there. Lately I'm in the habit of setting my NH35 a minute behind, and letting it catch up and run slightly ahead over a period of a month or so. I'd set it closer to the actual time if I wasn't wearing it so much, but if I wear it a lot I like to minimize the crown operation. For a more accurate movement, I'd probably re-calibrate my zone to [+1,+5] or something like that. 3. I do have more concern about QC with the PT5000 (whether that's justified or not) and probably my biggest doubt here is about proper lubrication. I have a bit more confidence in Sellita and ETA to get that right. I don't _know_ that the PT5000 is more likely to have a QC problem, though, and it's certainly much cheaper while measuring up quite well if you receive a good example. It's a gamble I'd gladly take (if the price is right, as you said). It reassures me that I could swap in an SW200 (or even a 2824, but I'd have to be in love with the watch & not seeing clearly b/c of that).

[@WATCHingJames]

Great thoughts. Love the idea to set the watch a bit out to compensate for the any plus or minus. I might have to start doing this. I wish I could do that knock test. It would be very interesting. But can’t risk the watches. I love them too much and can’t afford to deliberately damage them.

[@vonkruel]

@@WATCHingJames I do like to promote my practice of regulating a movement so gains time slowly, and setting it a bit behind. 😜 At least half the time, you can enjoy knowing that your watch is drifting _closer_ to the actual time. Well, personally I do enjoy that (YMMV!). About testing shock tolerance, yeah that's too expensive. I'm sure there are special machines for testing that, but getting access to one wouldn't be easy. Also, it's probably not good enough to sacrifice only _one_ of each movement to the testing. Yikes!

[@WATCHingJames]

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[@eichenlaub571]

Vonkruel thanks for sharing your experience with us. I do not whether I'm right about you. I have this same experience whereby the Chinese movements are way inferior to the Swiss and the Japanese movements , But I was wrong after having the flieger watch Type B from Escapement Time. Just like any other watches which I purchase from OVERSEAS, I demagnetisied it. After which I monitor for 1 month and the result is very convincing and satisfactory! But one thing we are unsure is that after 5 or 10 years, will this PT 5000movement runs just as well like the current standards of the ETA movements?

[@JDRichard]

You realize you can adjust the speed of th movement! Given that, adjust the movements to 0 at face up, then measure the timing in all 5 positions? Then look at the results.

[@WATCHingJames]

Yes thank you I do.

[@MarkoMarkovina]

great video but I would like to know one thing. When I speak with some watch folks they all say you can service eta or nh35 at any watchmaker... but what is with pt5000? I know one can buy new movement and just replace it but still I would like to if parts from eta will fit pt5000...cheers

[@WATCHingJames]

I’ve been told you can get them serviced. I’m not sure about interchangeable parts.

[@sean550]

Where i come from a service for eta 2824 is very expensive over €300 euro..

[@WATCHingJames]

Here too. Starting at around $350aud but I’ve been quoted $450aud from most of my local watchmakers.

[@GreySectoid]

Does PT5000 have better positional variance than NH35? My Seiko movements run +-5 seconds per day when regulated to 0.0 ms beat error. The 12 o'clock downwards is the hardest position for them.

[@WATCHingJames]

It has better stated tolerances but in my experience it runs about as good as my Seiko movements. However most of my Seiko movements run really well so that’s good.

[@aponinenaugcasio8456]

how does the PT5000 fare after all these years?

[@WATCHingJames]

They are running well.

[@rimas.kalpokas]

Sadly, all of the three movements share a weak hand winding system and the gears will eventually wear out, much sooner than a Seiko movement or a Citizen one. So one should avoid hand winding as much as possible and be prepared for a replacement.

[@WATCHingJames]

I have heard that they can be a bit fragile. Thanks for WATCHing

[@Dundiscriminateleh]

I normally turn the crown clockwise to set the time on my other watches. Turning the crown anti-clockwise to set the time on the PT5000 movement just seems really unusual to me. What do you think?

[@WATCHingJames]

I think you are supposed to move it clockwise as it’s better for mechanical movements.

[@Dundiscriminateleh]

@@WATCHingJames move the crown clockwise or hands clockwise? In your video, when you set the time on the PT5000, you turned the crown counterclockwise

[@WATCHingJames]

Ah. The hands clockwise

[@Dundiscriminateleh]

@@WATCHingJames thanks man. Do you have the new Cronos explorer 36mm?

[@WATCHingJames]

No. That’s a bit smaller than I normally prefer. I recently had the Tissel explorer and it was really nice.

[@Enoch-Gnosis]

Is the PT5000 a direct replacement for an ETA 2824?

[@WATCHingJames]

It is a clone of the 2824. So should be able to interchange with it.

[@xenonny]

I have Cronos Datejust - sometimes, crown is almost impossible to screw down. Something like stutters, need to push the crown away and try to screw it down again, is it something that i should be worried about? Watch is week old.

[@WATCHingJames]

Does not sound like a movement issue more of the crown stem thread. I would be contacting the seller. A Cronos should be better than that.

[@xenonny]

@@WATCHingJames Well i always finally manage to screw down it, but there's almost always atleast one fail. Thank you for your fast reply and your videos, your doing a great job! :)

[@houd3872]

how many times did you wind the pt5000? thanks

[@WATCHingJames]

I usually wind watches about 20 times

[@docholliday9124]

I have a pt5000 watch at what point do it stop winding the crown? Till I can no longer spin it ? Thank you

[@WATCHingJames]

It has an inbuilt clutch which prevents overwinding. But I usually wind mine about 20-30 times if the watch is stopped. And 10 times if it has been left of wrist over night.

[@docholliday9124]

@@WATCHingJames thank you!

[@1oscarbravo]

Automatic watches are not designed to be handwound to full power! You should avoid handwinding as much as possible. The crown stem is the most vulnerable part of the watch. Your big, fat fingers twisting and torquing the tiny crown stem is the fastest way to break your watch. Only handwind when absolutely necessary, just a few turns to get the watch started and set, then WEAR it. Automatic watches are designed to be powered by the rotor, not the crown.

[@WATCHingJames]

Thanks for WATCHing

[@user-cx3tz1ss4y]

Judging by the timegrapher's readings, all your watches are long overdue for a repassage. No offense. Very strong scatter depending on the orientation of the watch case.

[@WATCHingJames]

There are a couple that are ready for a service. Thanks for WATCHing

[@user-cx3tz1ss4y]

thank you for your work

[@giovanni344]

Paragonare tre orologi va bene.. ma usa 3 orologi con la data... almeno si vede se il cambio della data è istantaneo ... Bah.. !

[@WATCHingJames]

They are the ones that I had availability for the video. The date change with this movement is instant.

[@giovanni344]

@@WATCHingJames In altri video o commenti dicono che il pt 5000 non ha il cambio ora istantaneo ...

[@user-zq8rl8hi6m]

Спасибо

[@jinxUKBK]

Seagull did not clone. They bought the machinery

[@WATCHingJames]

Thanks for WATCHing