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[@josephpenate6408]

As an LA resident, to say LA city golf courses are hard to get a tee time is an understatement! Thanks for shining light on this movement!!!

[@danielkletke6570]

No fucking doubt

[@robertsandidge441]

STOP Calling them Brokers Plain and simple THEY ARE SCALPERS PERIOD.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

mafia - its just extortion - when are we going to finally realize that we live in a very corrupt society ?

[@jpvincenti3571]

Easily fixed but LA Parks and Rec don't want to do anything. They'd rather get the police to harass a guy at a park giving items away for free.

[@kevinfox7764]

No way people should have to pay another $40 for a tee time. I live in Pasadena and can rarely get on any LA Course before 2pm. An extra $40 to go to a golf program isn’t a good idea. It will price out many people who just want to enjoy playing golf at a course that’s funded by tax dollars. I’d be willing to bet $2 out of the extra $40 will actually go to something worthwhile while the rest gets lost in the bureaucracy of city politics. Municipal courses need to be reasonably priced so the majority of residents can play. Strongly disagree with the added cost idea as an extra $40 will make it around $100 a round. Not feasible for the general public, especially those just learning the game or from a lower socioeconomic background. Dave Fink is a godsend for bringing this to light. I’ve seen him all over the local news spreading the word about this issue.

[@frede3921]

Your talking about brookside good luck with getting a tee time and when you do get one there are so many Koreans out there it’s just crazy

[@billbkr32ify]

This is why many are no longer taking golf vacations there. The Carolinas are booming, though. That is where we go for our golf vacations.

[@jaisonlee007]

What a dumb system. Here in Hawaii, you register and get a municipal golf id card, you call or go online to book and only you can check into your t-time. It’s non transferable. If you don’t show up for your t-time a few times or don’t cancel in time you loose your ability to book t-times for a month.

[@johnmun7100]

San Diego Also has the same system. No scalpers here.

[@loganmeasles12]

Yeah in Texas u just call in or type your name in and only that name can claim the time

[@kralcliam]

They have a similar system in LA. The brokers are thought to be using multiple senior player cards (which can book farther in advance) to book times. Someone even reported to Dave Fink that he was able to just input some random numbers and was able to book tee times under someone else's player card.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

well you know there are lots of places on the mainland that will call it communism.LOL

[@marshalkass9944]

I have played rancho once. It’s a cool course but it is impossible to get a time. Almost the same with the other courses. I like being able to play good courses for less money so it’s ridiculous that this is happening. We pay our city taxes to be able to have less expensive courses.

[@alexw903]

Same. In Long Beach we can get tee times but they have raised the prices multiple times a year for the last couple years

[@jd.schultz-qh1ui]

I used to live in LA and was always frustrated with my ability to get good tee times and also wondered why there were so many Korean players out there. Thanks for making this video. Hopefully the city will find a solution.

[@BaseballRoadTripper]

Simple solution - verify name used to reserve against an ID shown at check-in. Don't match? Your reservation is lost and you are suspended from being able to reserve for a defined amount of time (one month first infraction, lifetime for second). Problem solved.

[@sfjeanfrancois]

Comment above indicated that they cancel them in middle of the night like 3am then immediately rebook them with correct name so ID matches name etc

[@naddaohone]

The starters at LA Golf courses know of abuse of golf reservations, but have been allowing to go on for years.

[@donsmnc5319]

Public Golf courses all over the US have raised their rates along with the hyperinflation that has swept across our Country. Courses in our area that used to be $30-$45 are now $70-125 and we working golfers can not and will not pay these exorbitant rates, price gouging is everywhere including in golf

[@chrisconner2981]

Thanks Biden. 🤣😂🤣😂JK

[@marybetheby5184]

I will hit balls in a park from now on ..

[@MartyGoetting]

Tee times booked under a name, then having to produce ID that matches the booked name.

[@s.t.e.r.e.o.]

They go back late night (3am) and cancel the rsvp then snatch it back up and put the correct Name.

[@sfjeanfrancois]

@@s.t.e.r.e.o.oh that’s how they get around it .. then add a non refundable fee for every booking .. i guess broker will just increase their resale price to absorb it anyway.. damn

[@jcap415]

They need to make more night time tee times

[@ddddggjgjhjhjhjk]

I was due to move to LA from the UK for work and this really put me off. The cost for poor quality golf course, along with having to play 5 hour rounds is ridiculous. Membership starting at $20k?? I'm a member of a top 100 golf course and it costs £1800 per year

[@JS-824]

I golf in San Diego. Never have that problem here. Torrey Pines , rancho Bernardo, aviara, Maderas, the crossings, pechanga, balboa, rams hill. I never have trouble finding tees times.

[@Sbcinho]

Recently moved to stinky LA from SD and that was my biggest shock, I mostly now play weekdays after 1 lol

[@bubbajones1035]

Not only is it happening on the Public courses, but, also on the military courses. I have a 16 day advance that I can request a tee time and when I logon at 6am, times are already taken within seconds. How is this happening.

[@joshhill9754]

Thanks for sharing this, I’m the one who got the brokers info and screen shots of the times he’s selling and shared them with Dave so he could blow it up.

[@iblind121]

Dave Fink, man of the people!

[@jims3650]

Matt, Golf is getting out of reach for the average Golfer. $1200 for clubs, Drivers 0ver $500, putters $300, Wedges close too $200 each and Golf Courses are charging around $50 for ok courses and over $500 for really great courses and they wonder why people are not on the courses. I know in South Fl there were several course were sold to build Condos. Now brokers are taking up Tee Times and making us to pay even more for a good Tee Time. (Sad)

[@justinsaunders785]

Here let me help you out here. $30 - my used badass Ogio golf bag $0 - Macgreggor Irons I pulled out of my neighbors trash $75 - titlelist Vokey 48-56 wedges on eBay $0 - 69 degree wedge I got for Xmas $195- year old brand new from store Callaway Maverick Driver $36 - 50 callaway warbird recycled golf balls $0 - 3 & 4 hybrid from my grandfather hand me downs $3 - martini glass tee I have used for 4 YEARS (you can’t loose these) I’m not even trying to save money it’s just how it’s all worked out for me. I make great money but it doesn’t mean I have to spend it to shoot a 78-86!!! Think about it this way. Golf has been being technologically advanced for 100 years easily. Over the last 100 years how many golfers have had their handicaps decrease permanently? New equipment is mostly all smoke and mirrors, go accurately measure the degree angle on every generation of irons of your favorite brands, they will all Be different. Its all marketing and most people fall For it. you don’t need the newest clubs, you need better technique and consistency!!!!! I’ve spent $140 (my boss said go get fitted for irons in the company card, I love my irons and hit the snot out of them and needed a driver so I saved him $700 and bought the driver) and I’ll out golf most casuals with $3,500+ set ups.

[@justinsaunders785]

To be fair I did spend roughly $100 on new grips this year which I changed myself in about 30 minutes.

[@steveputland4324]

This is why I personally HATE it when the Establishment says they want to grow the game ! 😡👎

[@pjpredhomme7699]

LOL - exactly - whenever someone says that - make sure you have a firm grip on your wallet someone is trying to fleece you

[@jackfunk5765]

The golf courses need to take the tee times offline.

[@benjamingonzales7051]

That would be the easiest solution. Just call the pro shop like the good ol days

[@billbkr32ify]

​@benjamingonzales7051 this isn't the good old days. Gen z does not know how to talk to people on the phone. Those days are long gone, unfortunately.

[@Scheboygan8767]

That’s gonna do nothing, you think people can’t call ?😂 you guys need to go outside more if you think people don’t know how to use a phone nowadays

[@Scheboygan8767]

@@billbkr32ifydude shut up, if anything that’s the only thing gen z knows how to do 😂

[@billbkr32ify]

@@Scheboygan8767 text yes, actually speak on a phone? No lol

[@SilverbackWoodworks]

Easy fix...go old school Torrey style and go get in the list. Eliminate tee times. They were selling times to brokers too but at least there was a chance to get on

[@lawbinson]

When I saw the picture for the article, I thought whoa, this Broker looks a lot like Dave Fink.

[@09Youba]

That is one reason I moved out of Calif.

[@billbkr32ify]

Best move ever, I bet.

[@larifari_das]

generally, event tickets shouldn't allow to resell. The same brokerage problem is hitting concerts, sport events and many other events. I know Americans who travel to Europe to watch their favourite artist because over there the concert ticket price has been driven up to 5 times the originally intended cost and more than the ticket, flight and stay in Europe would cost. The reselling market has long gotten out of hand.

[@MrPolicesnpr]

This is a huge problem!! I have only been able to get one T-time at Wilson in the last 6 months. Numerous other courses are almost impossible too. I hope Parks and Rec's shut it down. I'm retired now and this is a problem every day during the week too not just weekends. Doesn't anyone work? The number of people playing golf now is just mind boggling. WTH??

[@Bartokomous]

They do this with DMV appointments in Florida. LOL

[@terminallychill9580]

I've never seen that happen in Texas.... ahhhh i love this state

[@billygraham5589]

In California it is illegal for a City or County to charge more than the cost of providing services at park, amusement, or recreational properties. That is government code section 50402(a).

[@Hythree]

You just solved a huge mystery for me😮 being a San Fernando Valley native I spend most my days practicing at Encino golf course and rancho park and to me I just thought that Koreans were just really into golf and I always wondered how those places are booked throughout the week and got teetimes before anyone can. I would just give up and go to the little par 3 in Van Nuys because they don’t require teetimes but heck man thanks for this knowledge I will definitely pass it down!

[@jacoblott4002]

Good thing I live in Alabama and don't have to put up with anything like this. We fly under the radar. Its like we exist down here lol.

[@georgespalding7640]

The big problem is real simple. Golf has had a tremendous resurgence of interest in the last several years especially because of the pandemic and people had a lot of time on their hands when they were off work. But in Metro areas like Los Angeles they can't build new golf courses so you have an enormous demand but not enough supply so to speak. So then you have the golfers who don't care that the green fees are double what they should be and they are willing to pay the brokers price but it eliminates so many golfers that want to play the game. Many have to drive 2 hours just to get to a course outside of Los Angeles so they can play. Maybe we need more golf simulators like bowling alleys.

[@billbkr32ify]

One more thing, leave politics and politicians out of golf. This is why that the residents of California are getting screwed as it is. You couldn't pay me to live there.

[@tonytitado6478]

I can confirm that the same thing is happening in my hometown of Austin Tx.....i'm ready to quit the game.....unless something is done this year will be my last.

[@nunyo7259]

No, hell no there is not a way. Golf is expensive enough hell no there shouldn't be a premium, there is already a premium. Unless there is a way in the booking system this wont stop, courses don't care because they're booked.

[@billbkr32ify]

If they were not paying it, then they would not be doing it. They could up the prices another 35, and I bet the people would still pay it.

[@nunyo7259]

Yeah I dont know where ur from but from where im from the courses are FLOODED with Koreans and other Asians and their fuckin wives. I know they got it, which supports my original point. @@billbkr32ify

[@tombstonefpv9053]

Sounds like it's L.A. being what it's been for a long time. I'm not worried about that happening where I live, the golf courses wouldn't allow it in the first place.

[@whiskeyjim1741]

Pretty sure this happens over here on Oahu. It’s so difficult to play because all the tee times seem to be taking up by tourists which more than likely are using brokers. Between that and virtual golf clubs, it’s tough.

[@naddaohone]

Kakao app is how the golfers are getting the tee times in Los Angeles.

[@duanemcdude7956]

come to think of it, I have had to finish in the dark way to many times lately

[@Pud56]

In the UK municipal courses have membership schemes, and members get access to premium tee times first. Green fee payers, can book what’s left 7 days in advance, members normally have 21 days in which to book. My local club gives free membership to under 14, and under 18 if the parent or grandparent is a member. Be assured brokers and bots would take over in the UK, there would be an uprising

[@darkim808]

Rancho Park has always been impossible to get tee times when I lived there 30-years ago

[@newscottishgolf7305]

This is a serious problem for golf I am currently a club golfer and it’s nice to have a membership because it actually saves me money the amount I play, but it is nice to have cheap to mid priced decent courses to test my skill to make sure I’m not getting complacent with playing the same course over again which is something I need to do for the competitive side of my game in the special Olympics and who knows how long I can keep a golf membership up personal finances are a constant changing variable right now with the state of the western economy, so having those cheap low to mid range courses are essential for golf to grow and continue to grow as well as security that we can still play the game we love even if our financial situations change through life events outside of our control

[@lawbinson]

I wonder if golf courses are sometimes the ones who are reselling.

[@sanchoMDB]

At my local muni, you load your card into the app for the tee time. If you no-show, they charge you. Otherwise you only pay upon arrival. It would be a great way to combat the brokers for when they dont have people show up.

[@flash521]

Golf is already very expensive. Now brokers? I just purchased my grandson jr set of clubs, Cleveland. That is great except how is this almost 12 year old going to afford to play golf? Prices go up and up and up. Now brokers. Yes, there need to stop the practice of brokering tee times.

[@Sluggo717]

If they are buying the tee times for the regular price then the course is getting their money. This an easy fix. The tee times must be purchased under a specific name, credit card, and if someone else shows up they cannot use that tee time and must pay to play the vacant tee time. Now course gets paid twice.

[@alberthornsby8486]

We have the problem of the green fee doubling in the last year and half

[@terrybixler6372]

This might sound crazy, but if Golf Now realizes how much money they’re losing because a lot of teetimes aren’t being offered up through them… You see where I’m going right? At least with Golf Now, they only charging minimal booking fee, and if you remember, you don’t even get charged that

[@jwilder2251]

I’d be curious about the ratio of private club golfers to public golfers in LA. I don’t think this happens in a place where public golf is a priority

[@tommcnutt2582]

This broker stuff has been going on for a long time for sports and entertainment, concerts, sporting events etc causing prices for entertainment to skyrocket! Until the consumer says enough and doesn’t play their game it will continue or an ID system is in place as mentioned in some of the comments then this will continue. The consumer has the power to stop it.

[@jonbuikema7399]

What bugs me is all the leagues that happen and take times from 3-5PM on public courses. Limited to 9 holes on the back for general non-league players. Plus, league play is ridiculously slow.

[@luisattack]

Having only 1 public course in my area if this were to happen 😢

[@Omnis2]

We have that in Florida, too. It's called Canadians.

[@jacobmartinez6417]

Where can i find this app?

[@Divedown_25]

Maybe book in a name and regulate that you can only book one tee time at time and you have to show up with an ID.

[@jayshindledecker7457]

Yeah I haven’t been able to get a tee time at Rancho Park for a year and a half. It’s a joke. This group recently took over the course I used to drive 45 mins to play at instead. They book out 9 days in advance, and you can’t get a tee time literally 30 seconds in at 12:00 midnight, 9 days before. Really disappointing when you have people visiting and you’re trying to book a tee time within an hour of where you live. They cancel the day before at like 4am if they’re not sold. So you literally can’t plan a tee time

[@jamiedrys7572]

this dude is all over the place explaining this

[@bradleystuart8608]

Move to Florida. We have apps that actually save you money on tee times

[@tohism]

I've sat at my computer at 5:58 in the morning waiting for 6 AM to hit so I can get a tee time. Once 6 am hits you can't even get on the site. Not until 6:03 and all the tee times except 4pm is gone. I really think (no evidence) just speculating there is some sort of inside job going on. Technically when you check in for your tee time at the course you need to present your card. How are these non LA CIty card holders getting on the course? You are not just supposed to get a tee time anywhere. You need a card and membership.

[@springinfialta106]

I've had the same experience with ReserveAmerica when trying to get camping spots. Someone's using bots or someone on the inside is getting paid.

[@cledesma135]

I live in l.a its beyond ridiculous i dnt even play anymore and i absolutely luv the game so i just got a job coaching golf instead.

[@golfnut2965]

The person that shows up to play must show ID. The ID must match the credit card used to pay. Simple fix.

[@Maritime007]

There must be a way with technology to ensure each person who reserves a tee time is a unique individual.

[@dukek8625]

Somehow brokers have to be removed, golf is expensive enough, or this game turns into a game for the rich. We have some courses in our area doing prime-time rates and that stinks. Giving extra money to the city is ridiculous, they mismanage our money and take advantage of the taxpayers, we pay enough taxes and then we have to pay extra for recreation, this world is so corrupted.

[@chrisconner2981]

They could just refuse to sell to brokers and if they find out it's a broker void that reservation and resell it to a citizen. As soon as a person finds out that the money they waisted going to a broker has been resold they won't use a broker again. Put signs all over the clubhouse, website and pro shop letting people know about the policy change for a month or so then make the change.

[@rogeliomendez9135]

Hard enough and the city wants to get rid of a course from the valley.

[@charlesgonzalez5914]

Same problem on the east coast- I think the Korean golf community holds a massive amount of the blame, if you think they don't know that this is happening you are living in an absolute fantasy world. I've gotten paired up with Koreans who have openly admitted knowing and liking the advantage they have...if you're afraid to admit it- you're a bozo

[@jjatv1376]

Call in earlier pretty simple.

[@seanerickson9516]

Sad part is now you need 5 days ahead to know your playing to get the tee times.. i live in LA/Ventura county and yes it’s gotten worse. Makes me want to get e membership at a private club but I have an 18 hc lmfao!

[@SouthernHeartCleaning]

Member life is the best! I highly recommend getting into one. 👍

[@s.t.e.r.e.o.]

Somebody with the city and the course is getting greased...

[@kyleperalta1824]

No wonder I can’t get a tee time at Skylinks

[@alexw903]

Dave fink is a legend

[@ChillClay]

It’s the definition of price gouging and it’s illegal. Someone needs to file suit out in California against this company. That’s just wrong, tee times are already tough to come by and the prices just keep going up.

[@ryanwarner7950]

The golf course (the city) is selling the tee times to the broker. Shame on them. I wouldn't give them my business anymore.

[@electec2008]

So this type thing should fix itself.... anyone with money can easily invest in s new course or 2 in that area and compete easily with the established courses... supply and demand issue that I'm sure will fix itself in a year or 2... till then, pony up

[@starks1974]

They can block the ip address from making multiple tee times for the same day. This would need far more logic built into the existing platform, but is very doable.

[@bob5365]

The fact that this is happening in CA doesn't surprise me at all. Follow the money. This is something that can very easily be fixed. You should not be allowed to resell tee times at any course. I would bet that someone is getting paid off to let this keep happening.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

well - ultimately it is on the individual golf course - their only interest is driving revenue - so as long as those tee times are being paid for - that is all they care about - albeit that is what I would consider a very short-term approach. If by doing that you are driving away loyal clientele but it would not surprise me at all. I worked in the golf industry for a very long time - you are not exactly dealing with rocket scientists.

[@mrjackiemoua]

theres no Pre-pay?... might as well start pre-paying... make it a monopoly fine... i hate it enough that people play soo many leagues...sometimes we cant even get tee times.. and bots are doing this?... damn

[@GrandTime31]

I suspect the brokers are paying people with the city… grease the palm…

[@ajalikhanz]

People do this in the sneaker industry and then resell them for a lot of money. It's ridiculous if it catches on in golf and nobody stop them things will get ridiculous real quick.

[@ahastar1141]

If its in demand, someone will be reselling it

[@michaelmartz8426]

Call in for tee times. Take tee times off the webpages and make everyone call in to get a time.

[@zp1191]

Get rid of online booking. You gotta call or go in proshop. And if you book a 4some and only show up with 2 or 3, you get dinged a fee

[@lawbinson]

Nobody wants to go back to the 90s. Even golf courses prefer online scheduling over people ringing non-stop interrupting them during the day. Not having to wade through voicemails and call people back is a huge time saver as well.

[@zp1191]

@lawbinson ya I know it'll never happen but it's the only way to stop it. Similar things happen at my course and it's private. Guys will book multiple times in morning, then maybe a few more a couple hours later, and sometimes 3 or 4 more around noon. So they'll take up 12 tee times(14 days out) and only use 3 or 4(depending what time they feel like playing) and cancel the other times the morning of to avoid the no show fee. This didn't happen in the 90s. I was at another course where you had to call or go in and if you tried funny business the guy booking the time would say" hey man you already have a tee time at 830, so do you want to change it?" or something to that effect.

[@RobertAnderson-se5pt]

Make the public golf courses turn up and play not bookings that will stop it

[@robusangolf]

This has been going on for years in Vancouver Canada. The Korean community knows exactly what they are doing. It is common knowledge. The courses don't give a shit because they get there green fees. The only way this can stop is to build in coding that will stop the bots from scooping up all the tee times instantly at there scheduled release time. Saying this is the scalpers fault only and not the Korean community who are taking advantage of this is a joke. That is like saying that if someone breaks into a banks vault and leaves the door open, everyone who goes in and steals money is not at fault. The other factor that is not spoken about is that many Koreans are avid golfers and do not agree with this practice and have to remain silent in fear of upsetting there community. It frustrates them from an ethical and moral standpoint and hinders their own ability to get tee times.

[@badbilly429]

This is so easily fixed but it’s obvious the city doesn’t want it fixed because someone is obviously on the take.

[@GolfMissouri]

The golf courses are at fault. They dont sell 😊

[@StylesTheIcon]

Broker😂 is a nice term for "Corporate" Scalping...call it what it is MSG. Trust me, a few yrs ago we weren't "Brokering" graphics cards sales....we were scalping them 😂

[@nanidaddy32506]

❤

[@jwilder2251]

Public golf is a public good. I’d file a class action lawsuit against the scalpers (or the incompetent dept running the courses)

[@renatosansero9709]

That's i always bring a speaker, they hate it and always leave the course

[@goosepelican2512]

They aren’t brokers, they are scalpers.

[@javes35]

Doesn’t this just mean the golf courses are not charging enough?

[@nickprafke6664]

I mean resellers are ruining all sorts of stuff.

[@lucasmulvehill6300]

definitely scalping and the course need to sue

[@billbkr32ify]

Must be a California thing, not surprised one bit, lol. That does not happen in my state. Go California, though, lol.

[@billbkr32ify]

My state would not tolerate this. And no one would pay that much for a public course here. The brokers know them California's will, though, and that no one there will do anything about it.

[@user-bq1fu5kd7l]

Make tee times non transferable.

[@user-bx6mq7vh7i]

This is the modern day Ticketmaster. The only way I can defend against it is to NOT buy from the broker and hope they get stuck with tee times. They probably already have an understood percentage of loss factored in.

[@mikehlee69]

Another reason to leave Ca.

[@seegarsmkr]

Sounds a bit shady to me. Nothing surprises me about California anymore.

[@romeomendoza9340]

Terrible idea. Nobody should be paying extra money for tee times regardless of where the money is going. We should pay what the tee times cost.

[@edmcgowan9500]

Those brokers suck! Need to ban them!

[@renscience]

Pro shop issue. Tee times cannot be bought. They “belong” to the pro shop. 1-4 names for every 10 minutes. No names or same names over and over do not qualify. Nor do no shows.