Public Lecture | Brexit: What’s happened and what does the future hold? | Prof Anand Menon

[@iedco4]

At 17.05 we hear of all the Trade Deals that Liz Truss is achieving. The UK has two comprehensive trade deals. The rest are temporary roll over copy and paste old EU agreements.

[@gazlives]

so do we need more at the moment?

[@iedco4]

@@gazlives If someone gives the impression that the UK has say sixty trade deals when in fact it has two, it needs correction for clarity. Whether the UK needs more than two is another question.

[@gazlives]

@@iedco4 well I'm all for that. that's what our opposition is for. and media. as crap as they are:)

[@rayrushton9193]

17:05

[@piccalillipit9211]

Well, its a net 1 deal cos she lost the fishing one with Norway.

[@oak699]

The plant issue is not a Customs but a Phytosanitary issue. It has nothing to do with the inner Irish border, but with introducing non-native organisms into the Island of Eire (NI and Republic combined). Which is a separate biosphere from the British mainland. The ban on importing earth/dirt from Britain to NI already existed before the 2016 referendum, btw.

[@jimwoods9551]

BTW, “Eire” is not the recognised or official name of Ireland. It may be used when speaking Irish, as would be the habit of Irish nationalists. It is also widely used by British nationalists in pejorative ways, so its use tends to jar with the great majority of Irish.

[@jonaswladimir6889]

@@jimwoods9551 . Official name? You mean that the English namne of Eire is Ireland.

[@jimwoods9551]

There is an excellent article in Wikipedia explaining the evolution of the country’s name and how the Irish people, government and judiciary have settled on “Ireland” as the English name. Unfortunately “Eire” in spoken English is among the words used accidentally or deliberately in a manner that could be described racist if they were applied to certain other ethnicities, hence the sensitivity.

[@casteretpollux]

@@jonaswladimir6889 No. They mean the Irish language name for the Republic of Ireland is Eire. They meant what they said.

[@taintabird23]

Eire is the official name for Ireland, the 26 county state, Ireland is the translation of Eire - both are acceptable. The British convention is to use the term Irish Republic or Eire, as they have a problem with the term 'Ireland' because they see it as purely the name of the island. It jars with Irish people because of the refusal to use the English word 'Ireland'. It is also amusing, because they are prepared to use the Irish language version instead. Under the Irish Constitution, the name of the country is Eire or Ireland. Republic is Ireland is a description of the state. It is also the name of the football team.

[@Antonnick]

Prof Menon is an impressive speaker and intellectual whose knowledge and ability to impart this knowledge is exemplorary. Greetings from Germany.

[@krumble104]

Yes he speaks with no apparent ‘axe to grind’ I have always respected his opinion.

[@cassandra8620]

A man of his caliber should be PM

[@briancarton1804]

@@cassandra8620 He's to smart, need to be a lying thicko to qualify these days.

[@TesterAnimal1]

So glad I managed to get me, my business and all assets out of the UK. It’s done. Finished. Over. It was a good few centuries, but all things must end.

[@jasonkingshott2971]

You leaving, I don't think anyone in the UK is losing any sleep.

[@holz_name]

The food industry lost £2 billion in exports to the EU compared to 2019. Brexit is a catastrophe.

[@sirnigeloffarage9255]

oh but imagine how much we'll save not having to pay subscription costs

[@matthijshebly]

No saving at all: EU membership has always been a net benefit to the UK.

[@sirnigeloffarage9255]

@@matthijshebly net benefit??? how do you work that one out?? 21 out of 28 countries take out more than they put in.......... along with Germany, we were the main contributors.

[@brigjay123]

@@sirnigeloffarage9255 lol

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

@@matthijshebly no longer any returns on investments, a whole lot of extra costs and a lot of missed trade and growth. Brexit is turning out to be extremely expensive.

[@annecox252]

I am Welsh and have lived in Italy for 30+ years. Brexit has caused post to take up to 6 weeks to arrived from and to Britain. A gift my daughter sent me for Christmas cost me more in tax than the value of the gift. I will no longer order goods on line from the UK. I imagine that most UK. Expats living in Europe will follow suit!

[@PeterWoodstorrechianca]

I have found the opposite stuff I buy on ebay arrives much faster now, 4 or 5 days, parcelforce is very good

[@raymonddixon7603]

Ex pats are immigrants.

[@PeterWoodstorrechianca]

@@raymonddixon7603 what a profound statement , its genius , have you ever been to dock green?

[@raymonddixon7603]

@@PeterWoodstorrechianca Thanks Peter 😃😃

[@natashalall3553]

interesting presentation and clearly well informed, however. when you say "you can't believe there aren't tech solutions to figure out which goods are destined for NI shelves... and that the EU should be more flexible" I disagree... the EU has already poured vast sums of money into facilitating Brexit and should not continue to do so... if there's a tech solution then surely the UK govt can present and implement same, that is their job... the deal is done after years of having to listen to torturous nonsense!

[@stevezimmerman5644]

Remember when Boris said "F**k business"? Is he not a man of his word?

[@MakeSomeNoisePlaylists]

please watch this brilliant documentation about tax evasion and offshore banking @

[@cyclometre]

The UK has impoverished itself by leaving the EU. The Brits will feel the full brunt of the disaster they have created in about 3-5 years time. Meanwhile learn to grow your own food and mobilize for community gardens.

[@chiffmonkey]

The disaster was created by the Tories, not the result of the vote. They never wanted Brexit in the first place, it was a failed russian roulette ploy to kill UKIP before it became a threat.

[@jasonkingshott2971]

Not sure if you know but, the EU is not the only place in the world where food comes from.

[@MrFtoudalk]

Does anyone else sit back with a feeling that Britain has become less credible?

[@boogiewoogie9770]

It still baffles me that the actual reason people voted leave is rarely addressed. Less dark skinned and foreign sounding people living in the UK. Nothing else was considered by the majority of leave voters.

[@chriswills9437]

Try the O´Brien modus operandi of asking people ´which EU laws do you hate most?´ and ´which bureaucracy do you want to get rid of first´...top 5 then?, top 3 then?, top 1 then?...and it is always the same...they have no answer.... or it is bendy bananas, prawn cocktail crisps, the smoked kipper...the stories Johnson made up.

[@jamesleon4883]

You can’t state the truth in Britain.

[@kieransavage3835]

Send them back to the Commonwealth?????

[@casteretpollux]

That, and in some cases, a mere protest vote intended to annoy the establishment.

[@gloin10]

@@casteretpollux Yeah, because blowing your own feet off really annoys the establishment....

[@davesy6969]

Excellent lecture, very well reasoned and argued. I suggest people start recommending it to others.

[@batyrnazarov7279]

The problem is that brexiteers are not gonna listen to this. Too complicated for their tiny brains

[@charlytaylor1748]

@@batyrnazarov7279 keep accusing your political opponents of stupidity. It's done well for you so far.

[@massford2767]

Really informative, excellent clarity and honesty. Congratulations all.

[@paul1x1]

Its like watching a man about to be hit by a car and instead of getting out of the way he's bracing for the impact

[@blechtic]

More like running towards it with the expectation of knocking it off the road.

[@linyarin]

No need to brace for impact as he's being told that by Brexiteers that the car won't hurt him.

[@marvinstorm9153]

No, reaching for his ankles ....

[@andrewbogle3350]

Or trying to outrun it.

[@SirAntoniousBlock]

English exceptionalism is when the little yappy dog catches up with the car he's chasing.

[@Msnando09]

Aberystwyth is a lovely town. Lots of small shops and independent restaurants. Along the sea front the buildings are painted different colours which make it look very pretty There are several walks and places to see. I Would recommend a visit.

[@JesterEric]

Just hope you avoid the many wet and windy days

[@raymonddixon7603]

Liz, Richard filled you in well about his homeland.

[@helenswan705]

check out the radio prog Mark Steel's in Town, for Aber. Available on youtube as well as Beeb sounds. You will enjoy it!

[@pelimies1818]

Well put, rational, lecture; thank you for that. If I may share an outside viewpoint from Northern Europe: It is grim news for the free world and for the democracy (and for the decency), that as in US, also in UK, the blatant misleading and the cold spread of misinformation, could change the course of the nation so effortlessly. In UK, the result of this was the Brexit; and I surely hope the mismanagement of the government turns up to be as short-lived in UK, that it was in the US.

[@mistersoft1]

@Internet Guidance Wired indeed!

[@chiffmonkey]

The thing you think is good information is just subtler misinformation.

[@pelimies1818]

@@chiffmonkey World is not black and white. Let me give an example: Islam at it’s current state has positive and negative effects on it’s supporters. This changes highly, depending in which country you live in. Today, it shows it’s worst in Afghanistan, yet it has very few negative effects in Norway. You just have to realize these ever-changing parameters on place and time; every different subject has one (not just Islam). This means that even the simpliest subject comes too complicated for a person to make a 100% correct decisions on how to deal with it. It also means that sometime you have to reverse your previous decisions, as new developement (or info) occurs. My take is, that Britons was mislead with uncorrect and unaccurate brexit-information/estimation how it will unfold - but I hope UK will soon come back to European family, where it belongs, and stop this North Korean isolation nonsense. No country is an island :)

[@marvinstorm9153]

Referring to Biden and the Dems I assume. A disaster.

[@pelimies1818]

@Marvin Storm, Trump’s covid respondnessless with 500 000 dead US citizen was a tragedy. Worst in the world. Bigly worst.

[@anapombeiro2411]

Why would it be difficult for Scotland to have/control a border with England? Any other EU country in the Continent has borders, and sometimes between three different countries. What makes England a special case?

[@kangaroo1888]

They are all in the E U

[@ab-ym3bf]

Given the replies you received I think you should either say: all EU countries used to have and manage borders, or : all eu members neighboring a 3rd country have and manage borders. Indeed, there is nothing special about having a border with england, only no one on the island is used to having one. From continental European perspective it is just border like any other 3rd country border.

[@renataszyda5545]

@@kangaroo1888 Not all the European countries are in the EU. For example Poland has borders with countries on the east side which are not part of EU like Ukraine or Belarus. Sweden and Finland border with Norway which isn’t member of the EU. The are other examples too.

[@blechtic]

Hundreds of years of common government, market and economy, maybe? There's a shit-ton of trade across that border, especially when compared to the size of the Scottish economy and the amount of Scottish international trade. It's the untangling period that's the difficult bit and that takes a lot of time and, even after that, England would probably be the largest trade partner by far and they'd be introducing a hard border there. It's basically the same problems as the UK has with brexit but more entanglement and trade.

[@ab-ym3bf]

@@blechtic hundreds of years or 50 years doesn't make much of a difference. It will be quite an adjustment that needs either preparation or a big bang. England used to be the biggest trade partner for Ireland as well, now it is about 6 or 7 percent. And for a large part of time there was no EU around. So the Scottish could well manage a swifter shift towards the EU. Plus, the current exportnumbers are debatable with regards to their accuracy.

[@countmorbid3187]

Brexit becoming contagious? After the brexit disaster? 😂😂 We thank you for your sacrifice ... you are a great example why NOT to leave the EU. All the EU critical parties have all changed their tunes ... from "leave" to "reform from within"

[@WarbirdFan66]

your comment makes it very hard to explain the situation any better

[@Arltratlo]

@@WarbirdFan66 after coming home from shopping in my local Lidl market.... i would say i am happy to not live in the UK... fully stocked shelves, French wines, Italian rice, German bread and Irish butter...hey Europe, you rock... hey UK, you suck

[@sirnigeloffarage9255]

@@Arltratlo so cos it isnt EXACTLY how it was when we were in the corrupt mafia, it will take time...... UK is forecast to grow faster than EU.... maybe they shouldnt have told their ppl that the AZ vaccine was dangerous and then they wouldnt be in their 4th wave.

[@Arltratlo]

@@sirnigeloffarage9255 i got Biontech...and last time i checked, the UK is far away to get any grow for some time... Northern Ireland maybe, but the rest....not so much...wait for the moment BoJo cant blame covid and the EU anymore...after he sold the NHS to the Americans..!

[@sirnigeloffarage9255]

@@Arltratlo he sold NHS to the yanks? as far as I know it was LIEbour and Tony Bliar that sold off the NHS.............. All Trump wanted to do was stock it with American equipment. UK is set to be a success.......... shame you want to remain in corrupt EU mafia.

[@Top5Aircraft]

Prof Anand Menon is fantastic.

[@Pazaroni436]

It's amazing how this is happening in a country that is a part of G7 . It's run by people who graduate from prestigious schools, have a lots of experience in politics , economics and business, and still the country's food chain is at the brink of collapse. Is it because they are playing their own games, they fallow someone's order or they simply have no clue what they are doing. It's politely saying shame on them . Very well presented.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

The country is run by a bunch of free market fundamentalists and ayan rand followers. This is what they do if you give them a chance even though contemporary economic literature and theory has debunked those ideas completely already. It is one big experiment that everyone has been saying would most likely fail, but the british people have put themselves forward to give it a go anyway. Good luck i say.

[@chiffmonkey]

The British public didn't do this. The Tories did. They didn't want Brexit. That explains everything that has happened.

[@TCthecattery]

Unfortunately, what we see on the conservative side of politics, right across the Anglosphere is that there are lots of votes to be won via such base concepts as patriotism and worldviews bordering dangerously close to white supremacy ideologies. More importantly, there is no shortage of budding politicians willing to trade on that to kickstart a political career. That does not mean that 50% of the electorate supports such base concepts at any point in time, but the way the various electoral systems work in practice, you don't need 50% of the electorate to support such base concepts, you only need to make sure you are not losing any of your traditional constituency via subtle dog whistling.

[@andrewbogle3350]

They might be able to quote Plato or Churchill but don’t have an effing clue about how to manage an economy or battle a pandemic. But they do know how to give jobs for the boys in their club.

[@andrewbogle3350]

What are you talking about? The public voted for this self-harming project. OK not all, but a majority did, in a referendum and two elections. I’m sorry for the Remainers who had their heads screwed on properly.

[@BigMarz1992]

This should have a lot more views

[@valentincondeescu2082]

🇬🇧🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@renataszyda5545]

Sadly most of the public isn’t interested in the subject and will rather watch endless tv crime or other series on Netflix. That is my experience and observation. And if you try to talk about Brexit and what does it mean will cut you out calling it boring.

[@Stew282]

You mean views other than the rampant, leftist remainer views expressed by the professor?

[@Stew282]

@Any Ideas? "Need to educate themselves" is almost invariably a euphemism for "need to agree with me"!

[@Stew282]

@Any Ideas? What you claim of Leave voters applies at least equally to Remain voters. Most people on both sides haven't a clue. You paragraph about UK/Brits refusing to accept responsibility/implement Brexit is childish bullshit. The NI-Ireland border is entirely an EU problem. Unfortunately, the weak and useless Theresa May allowed the EU to make it a UK problem. The UK is not "trying to get full EU membership core benefits" - this is another childishly stupid comment. The rest of your comment is just more of your ill-informed, infantile opinions.

[@piccalillipit9211]

*I CANT CONCEIVE* that in 10 years the UK will be together as a union... And in 20 years I think all 4 parts will be independent and the only bit left out of the EU will be England - still living in 1890

[@Stew282]

That'll be because you're not very bright. (and a fatty)

[@gigimalvassora9682]

@@Stew282 and ... patriotic ...

[@rugbygirlsdadg]

@@gigimalvassora9682 patriotic means doing the right thing by your country, not waving a flag, shouting at "foreigners", being a xenophobe and scewing your own country because of it.

[@gigimalvassora9682]

@@rugbygirlsdadg I know .... tell it to the brexiteers ..

[@davesy6969]

I agree, the conservatives want Britain to be like a giant version of Downton abbey. Guess who's being waited on hand and foot by an army of poorly paid servants with no rights.

[@vincejones9780]

What a brilliant lecture - such clarity and engaging delivery.

[@mashfour]

I was hoping to hear 1 objective benefit of brexit, and this was a distinctly objective lecture, but I heard no advantage.

[@phillipmorrison9607]

Depends if your favourite colour is blue, if you know what I mean…

[@haraldschuster3067]

@@phillipmorrison9607 - And whether you care WHERE that blue item is actually being made ...

[@PeterWoodstorrechianca]

is sheepledog your real name, if not who cares what you say?

[@mashfour]

@@PeterWoodstorrechianca Niggles though dunnit

[@PeterWoodstorrechianca]

@@mashfour no

[@Be-Es---___]

Only having two party's doesn't help. Making things black-white on different dividing lines.

[@cowbanchalam9725]

Dividing line? The conservatives are ....... Labour are?

[@yvonnem.langlois5197]

@@cowbanchalam9725 Not much. Very much like the 2-party system in the U.S. Which of course was the whole point. Both will serve the oligarchs.

[@paulinecoburn181]

Don’t think we even have two parties anymore…Conservatives and Starmer, the best Tory ever 🙄

[@Nikioko]

What happened? Exactly what had been predicted and what no Brexiteer wanted to believe.

[@chiffmonkey]

The Brexit voter is someone who wants freedom but doesn't understand that you cannot vote your way to freedom, you just create even more bureaucracy.

[@bicyclemanNL]

Patriotic British exceptionalis ensued in 2016...been downhill since, not looking like the brakes are being applied. It's raining, let's fix the roof by imediately stripping it.... and then looking for materials and tools needed to put it right

[@kevinwillis6707]

id say a good majority of johnsons response to climate is going to be performative, he genuinly doesnt care about anything except how he comes across, bafflingly he also seems to do all he can to come across as a buffoon.

[@greatguru504]

Thank you for this lesson, very clear and well done. If I can make a note, at 19:50 I would propose a correction. The leavers, who admit economic disruption but do not change their mind about Brexit, do not do so because "they are willing to pay an economic prize to leave EU" but simply because "they are ready to charge the price to others (who voted remain)". In fact, the bulk of the leavers are retired, over 65, who do not care about the economic disruption because they have the check insured every month. Or they are workers who have no relationship with the import or expotrt, for example a hairdresser, car mechanic, owners of a pub, etc. These people voted Leave knowing that they did not get anything concrete for themselves and that at most they took something away from others.

[@justmythought7658]

Why am I thinking of fishermen right now?

[@Stew282]

Hopefully, when you grow up you will develop empathy and learn to understand that not everybody sees the world through your bigoted, hateful eyes.

[@VaucluseVanguard]

Great presentation. Only one small point I would pick up Anand on. I work for on of the major UN agencies in the health area and have watched a lot of the politics of vaccine procurement. But under no illusion, much of the politics around, undermining of and now dropping ogf the AZ vaccine in EU countries has been a bit of anti-Brexit politics. I was a remainer, the the sheer mendacity of some UK remainers and some politicians and health officials (the latter I deal with) from the EU has absolutely stunned me. Quite literally, one or two of them preferred to see people in their own countries die rather than accept the efficacy and safety of AZ. Interestingly, not something replicated by senior WHO and other UN health agencies with senior health officials originating in EU countries.

[@casteretpollux]

There are two bad sides to that story. The "Britain First" policy on vaccine is not exactly inspirational .

[@klavshenriksen7113]

I cannot comment on any other country than Denmark, but it was one of the first countries that banned the use of AZ, so it is - to a certain degree - interesting to evaluate why they banned it. Nothing in the Danish debate was about anti-Brexit politics or resentment to all things British. The Danish argument was a simple calculation about how many people the roll out of AZ would save compared to the the assumed severe side effects and also to ensure that the population was behind the vaccination program. One can have a long debate about the first part of the reason, but to suggest that Denmark chose not to use AZ because of anti-Brexit sentiment is simply wrong, and I find it hard to believe that the other EU countries reaction would be different. The Danish governments actions meant that the take up of vaccines was very good and better than the take up in the UK.

[@antonphibes4924]

Thank you, very interesting. Looking forward to more content like this.

[@georgeszurbach444]

In terms of security the UK has lost the protection of the ECJ at a country and individual level

[@CharlieVane21]

What protection is that?

[@vatsmith8759]

Hurrah! The UK will now be governed by UK laws overseen by UK courts with no more foreign interference in the way we live.

[@oneeyedgirl617]

@@vatsmith8759 Johnsons Government are trying to bring in laws that deny your right to protest and whistleblow...whilst watering down YOUR human rights. Congratulations you idiot.

[@vatsmith8759]

@@oneeyedgirl617 Fake news, there is no plan to deny any right to protest. As for Human Rights, I don't need them as I'm protected by English common law. They were invented for those poor benighted foreigners subject to the whims of their rulers.

[@oneeyedgirl617]

@@vatsmith8759 Jeez, are you really this stupid. 3 months later and you still have no clue. They want to give the police the power to stop protests THEY class as noisy, among other things. You might not think so, but “ benighted” foreigners ( whatever that means) are as human as you are, and if they degrade human rights for them, they degrade them for you at the same time. We are the proverbial frogs being slowly boiled. This Government avoid parliament whenever they can, and are stuffing The Lords with Tory cronies. We are inching towards authoritarianism whilst you cheer from the cheap seats. And the killing of Amess will probably result in a further shift. I saw a headline about trying to restrict anonymity when it comes to the internet. Wake up.

[@jintarokensei3308]

I'm sorry but realistically I can't see NI to continue to exist as a defacto a trade DMZ.

[@thediscokidd]

I love Anand Menon! X

[@Emanon...]

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Question: Why is it called "Great" Britain. Surely it's an island called "Britain". Where does the "Great" moniker come from, assuming it's not just self-indulgent pomp.

[@FabAgainOver50]

Was it originally to mean greater britain, as in greater Manchester?

[@Emanon...]

@@andreaoreill Thank you. Thats an excellent explanation for the origin of the name. Cheers.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

I think britain was just wales and england. Greater britain included scotland and maybe ireland. Which eventually became great britain. Not sure though, but i think i heard that somewhere.

[@georgemonster2025]

It refers to all of the islands which make up the British Isles. The Antilles have "greater" and "lesser", for example. It's a geographical description, not a nationalist one.

[@Emanon...]

@@georgemonster2025 Except it doesnt. The Bretagne/Britain explanation makes sense. Yours does not, as there is no island of "lesser Britain" on the British Isles.

[@polishpsych]

What I see looking at Britain is the US to be when it comes to labour and emigration laws. Strong economy of the country built by sacrificing the middle-class and human rights with divisions in the society going deeper and deeper. Isolated former empire with a delusion of grandeour.

[@kevinwillis6707]

Sadly I agree, although any economic growth will take a long time to appear, the hit to trade is just too severe. I can also see a brain drain by educated and skilled middle class to relocate to the EU

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

Isn't a 2 party system fptp lovely? Being forced to always pick the lesser of 2 evils. Working so well in both countries.

[@chiffmonkey]

I take it you're American. The "middle class" in the UK doesn't mean the same thing as it does in the US. Here that means someone with a fat bank account who pretends to be classy while actually just looking like a try-hard. For a young person, it would mean the kid at university in every activist group who thinks they're oppressed despite having a cushy time there, studying for a career as a morally bankrupt journalist.

[@kevinwillis6707]

@@chiffmonkey "morally bankrupt journalist." ....you dont sound uneducated and jealous at all....

[@chiffmonkey]

@@kevinwillis6707 Uneducated eh? If so I have Aber to blame.

[@angelarobb9571]

Is it possible to have the PowerPoint slides ? Thank you

[@jorisammerlaan3063]

As someone from the main land, in this case NL I never understood this decision to leave the EU. Now I do understand a bit better. I also did view another lecture from annother professor. I think I can conclude the ppl from the UK started of on the wrong foot with the wrong intension and expectation when they joined the EU and the felt to good and to big for the EU in the end. Sort kind of arrogance. I think they better remained and start the debate to change the EU which is necessary in my beleives but I dont think we can live without it anymore because it gives us to much and we alreeady went to far to go back. Still here in NL some ppl would like to see a NEXIT and back to the Guilder as currency.........but relastic seen that would mean we will never survive this decision. Still miss you all there from the UK!

[@randar1969]

@Internet Guidance Although we have problems with water here as well the Netherlands has no mountains or hills where water rushes trough with little to no room for the river to spread out. In the Netherlands they build empty reservoirs next to rivers where under normal circumstances just lifestock eats the grass there . But like now in a case of emergency those lands can be flooded without problem, giving the river more room so it flows over a lot less severe in housing area's. Also here we can just send emergency messages to telephone receivers in the neighbourhoods where flooding is expected with more warning for the inhabitants to leave their house and move to higher ground or further from the river i read targeted warnings to all mobile phones in an area isn't possible due to german law. We had damage but most important 0 deaths. But we had a cow breaking the world record swimming by surviving being at drift in the river for over 100 kilometers the poor thing.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

We are the logistics hub of most of europe. Most of our economy is dependend on logisticly servicing the eu. People who want netherlands to leave are clueless. If you think brexit is bad, the netherlands leaving would be trully destructive. On top of that, we together with germany are one of the biggest benneficiaries of the eu and their development spending. We are building everything in the eastern countries, their infra, their comms a lot of their IT systems and automation solutions. All those high paying jobs here are payed by EU development funds.

[@mickbrown8249]

@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 knew many people lived & worked in Breda NB Lots wanted out of EU tyrannical regime maybe had changed their minds who knows..

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

@@mickbrown8249 like i said, there are a lot clueless people a out everywhere. Just like demagogues and people looking for easy attention.

[@Ikbeneengeit]

I think I just learned for the first time what Political Science is.

[@robduncan599]

When you decide to cut off one of your legs , it's probably a good idea to have ready the plan how you intend to proceed with the future? Do you hope to have medical treatment at hand ? Or is the cutting procedure a means to a end ?

[@PeterSodhi]

Visibly punishing the UK for leaving is essential to keep the EU together and keeping Poland Hungary etc in line.

[@chiffmonkey]

Gee, that sure sounds like an organisation I'd love to be a part of.

[@PeterSodhi]

@@chiffmonkey lol for sure... Leaving the Mafia is the right comparison

[@tomctutor]

Labour should run unequivocally, clearly, without obfuscation on a platform of rejoining the EU Customs Union. This would attract a lot of doubting Brexiteers to its ranks and put distinctive hat on against the hard line current position adopted by Boris and the government. It would also give some security to businesses both sides of the channel.

[@lt8395]

No Far Right comments in the chat please Tom.

[@randar1969]

Well for starters before campaining for such a thing i would first ask the EU if they will let you rejoin with the same conditions before brexit. If they demand more money since the UK paid less then others to the EU. And their exception that you could keep the pound instead of joining all others with the Euro. I can imagine after all this damage the EU suffered for brexit that they aren't waiting to welcome you back anymore perhaps try again in 50 years.

[@khanhnguyen-tt3ff]

lol the labour just going to let boris government hung itself, plus there nothing they can do expect for bragging it feet

[@tomctutor]

@@CandyMan2001 Public Sector debt (In the UK last 10 years of Tory management) has bloomed from 65% to over 80% of GDP and that's figures before pandemic struck. Currently absolute fig of £2Trillion. So no lectures about debt management from tory side please.

[@tomctutor]

@@CandyMan2001 Labour are the only party that can get UK out of the Brexit nightmare, if you vote for anyone else you might as well vote tory. Should add the richest country in the world China is a communist state; so I would not use national wealth as a metric on what type of gov. is best for a nation.

[@janeos01]

Great lecture, really enjoyed it

[@BigHenFor]

I'm sorry but the gentleman whise camera didn't work doesnt know anything aboit WTO rules. The most important thing about about EU membership was that its customs union allowed us to avoid inspection of goods. WTO rules stipulate that goods must be inspected at the border between two ciuntries that are not in a customs union together. It's funny that we have been signatories to GATT since 1947, but knowledge of how it works is still restricted to experts. And those exoerts warned about the problems with Brexit but were ignored.

[@colinstephenson5386]

Ivan Rodgers possibly possessed a far greater knowledge of the EU than anybody in the UK government at the time of the referendum, professor Menon always speaks like he knows what he’s talking about, maybe if the leave leaders hadn’t behaved in a way that suggested only people able to speak snake brexit were welcome on board and engaged mr Rodgers and mr menon to act as advisors or some such other roles instead, maybe the bad wouldn’t be as bad as it seems to be ?

[@jaynemacklyne1462]

The problem with listening to Ivan Rodgers was there would have never been a brexit! But yes a vacuum of expertise certainly helped the present situation arise

[@ToothbrushMan]

​@@jaynemacklyne1462 But yes a vacuum of expertise certainly helped the present situation arise" No no no. There was and is plenty of expertise. What happened was the way in which the Brexit campaign set about discrediting experts as "metropolitan elites" and/or shills for the EU, etc. etc. "The problem with listening to Ivan Rodgers was there would have never been a brexit!" Indeed, perhaps if people HAD listened to Sir Ivan Rogers there wouldn't have been a Brexit. There is nothing wrong with that.

[@ab-ym3bf]

@@ToothbrushMan you hit the nail on the head.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

We don't need any friggin experts lol..

[@colinstephenson5386]

@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 ‘ we don’t need any charming language experts “ i agree , Not anymore when you’ve got johnson and Frost who’ve made the best playground Deal in history , some people’s intelligence is a frame of the mind ‘ it should be hung up “

[@alba9507]

Brexit created 27 hard borders for Scotland overnight , one more won't make the slightest difference. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇪🇺

[@judahrex]

The public wants to know the impact Brexit will have, if any, in domestic and internationally football? I say to you, that brexit will have a detrimental impact in football, because it will make it extremely expensive for British clubs to participate in European football. The gear of British football is competition with Europe. The higher cost will make some football clubs in England not financial viable, therefore, many clubs will cease to exist. Say bye bye to football as you know it. Compliments of Boris Johnson.

[@pmathews109]

You mean those lovely gentle non racist football supporters from the UK won’t be able to afford to come to Europe, what a shame!

[@christianlofgren1655]

Äppä

[@kang1527]

Slow puncture = by the time the tyre is flat, the old farts who voted for it will have long since hung up the car keys anyways.

[@kerrywiggins]

Sorry not swung by old farts (ageist) but the less well-educated. I don't know of anyone in my (grad/postgrad) industry (many in 50s and 60s) who voted Brexit, but lots of locals in rural location around here that did. I am fed up being denigrated for my age - particularly after sacrificing much of my earning power and even my health by actually living my socialist beliefs.

[@paulinecoburn181]

Not all “old farts” …thanks for the ageism 🙄. Voted leave and many Farage following idiot youth did.

[@linyarin]

@@kerrywiggins I'm an old fart but voted Remain: maybe because I'm well educated.

[@JustMe-uc8wj]

in my opinion the problem lies in the fact,that generations of scientists were (and still are) limited to the biblical time proportions and geography,so nothing could exist outside these limits...

[@heatherhanks4869]

When your doing all your research and gathering information together. Have you put in to the equation. All the job losses in the fishing industry. As well as other jobs that are being lost with Brexit. But saying that the farmers don’t have enough workers so maybe all the people who lost there fishing could now move to where the farmers need them to pick the harvest.

[@renataszyda5545]

That’s a good idea... from fishing to farming🙃🙂

[@heatherhanks4869]

I just read that a farmer needed 500 works , but I think he said he could only find half the works . Sorry my thoughts are all over the place not had a lot of sleep

[@holz_name]

That's not how it works. If the native people who are currently unemployed would take the jobs in farming then no EU worker would come to the UK. Farming is a low pay, hard work, seasonal job. British people just don't like to work like this, and for good reasons. And you can't just rise the wages, because then the produce would get more expensive and you can't sell it. The results is what we see. Without seasonal workers from Romania the produce will rot in the fields. Before it was a win/win/win for everyone. Romanian workers could come and get nice pay and then go back to Romania, farmers get their produce and can sell it, British get reasonable prices for the products. But now everybody looses.

[@sararichardson737]

The only good thing to have come out of this BrexS’t debacle is being introduced to some rather fine minds. I’m all agog.

[@Leptospirosi]

In a society where who scream the most wins the debate, with both part firmly entrenched in their original positions, it takes someone who really knows his stuff, and takes a bird's view of the battlefield to make people look outside of their thinking box and checking into the box of the neighbor. You would be entitle to keep hold of your views, but with a better understanding. This is why people like prof. Menon could never be in a parliament: voters able to look into a matter before applying a pre made solution are the worst fear of any politician.

[@gabsie7224]

For Welsh people, do you think independence would be a good or a bad idea? I am Italian, I don't know much about Wales except I was there once and it is a beautiful country, so I am curious to know.

[@boogiewoogie9770]

It's a poor part of the UK and the majority of a Welsh voted to leave the EU. Doubtful they would wish to become independent in order to rejoin the EU.

[@viquiben4919]

@@boogiewoogie9770 it is said that the leave vote was due mainly to english settlers.

[@boogiewoogie9770]

@@viquiben4919 Yes but majority in Wales voted to leave. Losing millions in EU funding.

[@LazlowHP]

The Steam chat sound around 1:15 though...

[@didierlemoine6771]

How can u hv a foreign policy when britain hs lost its word !

[@johnproton259]

Excellent analysis, very informative. 👏👏👏👏👏

[@jameswhitfield1375]

Great lecture and a nice individual. Thank you.

[@DisobedientSpaceWhale]

Aberystwyth University wouldn't accept me on to one of their courses 😡😤

[@daviddack1595]

Anand x, The people Need to get out of the Cave !, " Allegory of the Cave".

[@johng.1703]

Why is it so many people on the right conflate and confuse their own opinions with facts? While granted it is a fact for them that this is what they believe, that doesn’t make it an actual fact. For instance there are ONLY two signatories to the Belfast agreement, and the EU is not one of them, the two signatories are the UK and ROI, the EU and US are guarantors of it, along with others like the UK, but they are not signatories.

[@endintiers]

ROI is part of the EU and so will be supported by the EU against 3rd countries such as the UK. The special relationship with the US means that the UK must take the US' opinions into account. To twist a quote "There are four people in this marriage".

[@lt8395]

What and Lefties dont do that? Tell me whats your evidence/facts for that are? Dont have any right no facts nor figures but its the Right. Might want to take a good look at yourself in the mirror as you watch your left of centre lecturer give a left of centre opinion, all the time while you spout about the right.

[@johng.1703]

@@lt8395 rofl do you feel better now that you have done your “what-about-ism” and had a good cry?

[@lt8395]

@@johng.1703 ''what-about-ism” known as 'comparison' to normal people unless your're inhaling leftwing channels all the time where that phrase is prevalent. And I'll take that as you have no evidence just one more ignorant little bigot.

[@johng.1703]

@@lt8395 normal people? Oh you mean normal for you,? Did I mention that people who follow the right wing tend to be on the lower side of average IQ? While those of the right wing tend to be very rich people?

[@DavidWilliams-DSW558]

Would it be feasible to control the Irish border and imports/exports using RFID and surveillance akin to the Chinese Black Mirror social credit scheme?

[@Steve_Coates]

In a word no. Apart from our Governments well documented inability to deliver any IT project in a vaguely credible time frame or budget there are practical considerations. Cost, who would pay to tag and track every trade item in Northern Ireland. Range, RFID systems are short range typically measured in centimetres not metres, as they are passive devices powered by induction the inverse square law makes increasing the range difficult to say the least, that's a lot of infrastructure to cover over 300 miles of border with more than 300 crossing points. RFID tags are easy to fake, shield, destroy or remove. There's a number of good and practical reasons why there aren't any e-borders anywhere in the world. It's a fantasy promulgated by political chancers who have no understanding of the technologies involved.

[@blechtic]

Ever heard of smuggling?

[@anapombeiro2411]

The metaphor " the more social conservative the more likely to vote leave" was very designed to cloag racism, the true prize for pain to come.

[@jamesleon4883]

apparently how fat you are correlates really well with how you voted in the Brexit referendum.

[@piccalillipit9211]

@@jamesleon4883 - Yes it does. Obesity is the single biggest indicator of your likely voting leave. The fact that you cant take responsibility for your own body and health I'm sure has nothing to do with you blaming immigrants and the EU for your shitty life

[@piccalillipit9211]

@@Stew282 - WOW - looks like I touched a nerve there...

[@Stew282]

@@piccalillipit9211 Nope, you didn't touch a nerve - can you touch your toes?

[@piccalillipit9211]

@@Stew282 - pretty sure I touched a nerve...

[@arekkrolak6320]

starts at 3:48

[@duneideann9241]

Then we will have to build a wall. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@kyllerbuzcut]

The graph presented at around 25:00 is nowhere near accurate! The current period party is well to the right on the economic line. With many MPs arguing to the right of the current chancellor! This is also why do many members have left the party, and why the party is facing a bankruptcy scare

[@irenetheochari8742]

Re: Slide: The Economic impact of the Brexit deal after 10 years, compared to... No Deal. This chart seems to show that a No Deal scenario would increase trade in all four categories. Surely, this can't be true?

[@MrTipperX]

I'm glad I'm not the only one having a problem with that chart.

[@irenetheochari8742]

@@MrTipperX I'm wondering whether the man's a Brexiter... then the chart would make sense!

[@MrTipperX]

@@irenetheochari8742 I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. It was a good lecture apart from that error.

[@irenetheochari8742]

@@MrTipperX To be honest, I thought so, too.

[@jduitleiden5931]

@@irenetheochari8742 the right figures are the extra costs you have to ad to the impact of the Brexit deals

[@cyclocop1773]

One can accept the economical price of Brexit when one is on a triple-locked pension as one would not be paying for it. His/her children and grandchildren will however.

[@cowbanchalam9725]

Hooray. Somebody recognises this. Will the 8% cut across 'all' departments include the triple-locked state pension? Figures I've seen show state pension is 12% of government expenditure. Living abroad, my state pension, if it ever gets paid, has a 0% annual increase.

[@chiffmonkey]

The young wouldn't realize they are repeating history if not for the older generations warning them. That is a wisdom you will learn, like everyone, too late to preach it while young yourself.

[@chrisdeep8417]

Why didn't they say this before the vote?

[@NickanM]

Because they lied. And still do.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

Lol

[@TorianTammas]

The answer is simple the UK will get nothing for free. If the UK offers something that is very attractive for the EU they may listen to the proposal, but the UK wanted to be alone and isolated.

[@JohnSmith-bx8zb]

The gent who suggested that it will not be a cliff edge should have called it a sharp drop followed by a managed decline.

[@JohnSmith-bx8zb]

@@patrickjvanhuffel more like Thatchers managed decline

[@ovidiuaka]

Making Brexit look good is like dressing up a turd to look like a cake

[@jaapfolmer7791]

Brits commenting on the future of the EU are an irrelevant waste of time.

[@Stew282]

Non-Brits commenting on Brits commenting on the future of the EU are an irrelevant waste of time.

[@isaacblackman1996]

@@Stew282 Brits commenting on non-brits commenting on brits commenting on the future of the EU are a irrel......

[@Stew282]

@@isaacblackman1996 Stop that! It's all getting rather silly! (c/o Monty Python)

[@ab-ym3bf]

Why, always interesting to see what others think. Either to learn from, or laugh at.

[@gigimalvassora9682]

@@Stew282 The point is that the brits are wrong and brexit is a disaster (seen by everyone); we European, care about UK's citizens and this explains why we are interested on UK's future, brits just want EU to fail to keep on thinking their choice is a good choice: EU won't collapse and will become a Federal Union of States. This is why you are wasting time.

[@MakeSomeNoisePlaylists]

please watch this brilliant documentation about tax evasion and offshore banking @

[@tamhunter5025]

He says the snp are good at taking credit fo the good it does but blames westminster for the bad Rubbish And yet westminster blames the EU for all its problems

[@charlysantamaria8646]

Very interesting, the future still uncertain

[@justsayen2024]

The reason why the single market and Customs Union works is because of its predictably you have a predictable regulatory system. You have a pool of workers Pull from.. freedom of movement.. Since brexit is ethno national movement ( predominantly) those two cannot coexist.. And let's face it Boris thrives on controversy. Unfortunately for Britain they no longer have veto power on legislation within the EU like they used too That was a big one to give up...probably one of the worst consequences of brexit. The withdrawal agreement isn't going to change to the point that Boris would like. The DUP Big Bang on all it wants, but in the end it's just a tool to distract the public from the actual damage that brexit is doing..

[@bjrnhjjakobsen2174]

The data part was handled by the 28th of June 2021.

[@DouwedeJong]

There is tension between members states like NL and the EU, between Poland and the EU, between Italy and the EU, etc. It is by design. There is no tension with the UK and the EU, the UK have to engage with every member separately and negotiate with the EU only on trade deals as a third country. The UK simply has zero footing in the EU. So there is zero tension. None. Get that into your head. Third party countries is a well-defined trade term for EU members and that is not up for negotiation. Saying there is tension when a trade deal is negotiated is like saying it is wet when it rains. BUT, there is no trade negotiations going on with the EU now. So there is no tension. Why is that so hard for the UK to understand? The tension is between the UK government explaining to UK citizens how to implement the trade deal they negotiated. When the EU department that watches over third country contracts points that out to the UK government, it is interpreted by the press as tension with the EU. But it is not. It is the UK that does not do what they say.

[@cydoman8014]

From the beginning it was clear the drive to impose Brexit depended upon dividing the issue of a trade deal from the issue of "proper British ethnicity". The scam needed to appeal to fear of foreigners or otherness and submerge the issues of how leaving the EU would impact on economic viability. Of course the EU negotiators had understood the negative impact on the UK better than the hard liners. But that information was widely available to the world. Certainly no British citizen can possibly escape his or her choice to ignore it or to fail to appreciate it. So some Brits are always going to be more responsible than others for making Brexit work. Always. There will be millions who will happily say no to that responsibility and accountability, but no one will be fooled. Time for the Brexiteers to understand that a slow decline isn't a sign of anything else but the failure of the Conservatives and all who supported Brexit to MAKE IT WORK. Squirming under the truth of failure just exposes the reality of the unwillingness to do the work needed to entice those lagging unicorns and impossible trade deals into reality. Civic responsibility starts with being an intelligent voter. Leave the personal out of it. Trade deals are complex and demand hard work and no excuses. That is the reality that every supporter of Brexit, wherever they are, must be judged on for as long as Brexit endures. It's like a war. If you start it, you are expected to spend your life winning it, not walk away.

[@Stew282]

One slight problem with your comment - your premise is false. Brexit was not about xenophobia, there is no slow decline - quite the opposite so far, all the unicorns are in your head, many trade deals are possible. Everything you've written is wrong. Don't advise others about being "intelligent voters" until you become one yourself. Parroting the ill-informed opinions of Remoaner cry-babies is not being an intelligent voter, it is being a moron. Learn to think for yourself, widen your sources of information, learn to distinguish between opinion and fact, and you will fare much better.

[@ai-d3982]

@@Stew282 Ample research show that Brexit was about immigration ( xenophobia) and sovereignty ( xenophobia aa well in a sense). If you believe Brexit is going well? Yes, it is for the EU.

[@Stew282]

@@ai-d3982 Rather than wallowing in your pit of negativity, childishness, and hate; why don't you try to connect with reality and start to develop a more positive, produtive existence? Neither immigration nor sovereignty equate to xenophobia. Both the UK and the EU are recovering relatively well from the pandemic. The UK is definitely prospering after Brexit and the EU is not particularly suffering from any ill-effects. The only real problem for both sides is the political ill-will over the NI Protocol.

[@ai-d3982]

@@Stew282 Unfortunatelly I have little reason to follow the Brexeteer mantra “ it is going well” because it is not, not even compared to the EU. What my purpose and of many of us is is to give the anti-populist movement a platform. We need to continuously confront people like you with grim reality, wether you believe it ( now) or not. At one point in the future the coin will drop. The people in the UK are dragged out of the EU and/or single market and/or customs union against their will. The individual countries which make up the union are against Brexit, 1 more or less neutral and the biggest one ( the one which holds most people) in favor. The people are robbed from their freedoms to work, live and travel throughout Europe. Youngsters are robbed from the opportunity to study abroad against reasonable costs. I am not full of hatred but frustrated to the bone that this criminal populist minority government has an absolute majority and ripped everyone off. And you may be a fan of Jeff Taylor but as long as him and his friends support upcoming fascism I have little hope that people like you will ever understand what is going on. And you know what; developing a more positive productive existence when you are robbed from your freedoms by a bunch of fascists doesn’t really work. In fact; putting these basterds in jail will be the mantra of the remainers for the next decade or so.

[@Stew282]

@@ai-d3982 See my last. The fact, supported by all the evidence, is that the UK is doing very well. What you believe is simply wrong. You really need to stop crying like a pathetic baby, and grow up.

[@greenfrog8871]

time for some old fashioned currency manipulation, cut corp taxes to zero, lower the Pound, get some competitive advantage, sell mass produced goods based on cheap labour costs, build up foreign reserves. Everyone's standard of living falls (except the ultra rich, their money will be in foreign lands). Must be nice to be able to work up as an emerging market once again. Maybe this time the UK will get it right.

[@ab-ym3bf]

Problem is, who will invest in starting up those mass produced goods. Why invest and risk your money when it can be savely stashed away tax free with the help of a mate?

[@holz_name]

And sell to whom? The UK can't compete with China or the USA, or even Australia or NZ, or Japan or Korea. It has lost unrestricted and friction-less access to Europe, a market of 400 million people right at its doorstep. Again, sell to whom?? Back in 2016 I listened to the Brexit arguments, and this one question came up instantly for me. And I was right. Trade with the EU dropped by 50%. Exports of fish and other foods are destroyed. The trade deal with AU will destroy the local farming industry. And it's not Covid because trade with non-EU didn't changed.

[@greenfrog8871]

The whole point is for the majority of Brits to take a huge hit to their standard of living. Once they are all dirt poor and willing to work for pennies per hour, then they can compete on price to make up for tariffs into europe. Then they can rebuild their trade to pre Brexit levels. Should only take 20 years.

[@holz_name]

@@greenfrog8871 :p

[@bam-skater]

When he says 'devolved nations', exactly where does Prof. Menon think the "nations" are devolved from? It's that uncanny sense of English superiority again, I think he really means 'devolved parliaments'.

[@tomthumb2361]

They're willing for someone else to pay an economic price for their wishing to leave.

[@chiffmonkey]

They're emparting their wisdom to people too young to have reached it themselves. The young need the old and they only realise it when they get there too.

[@gerardg1950]

I have been in aberystwyth

[@huwzebediahthomas9193]

Nice one.

[@huwzebediahthomas9193]

Fi'n credu, mae Brexit ddim gallu gweithio, rhy gormod i colli, arian UK PLC.

[@DavidDavid-gc9rm]

As long as Little britain won't have a proportioned representation voting system, this island will sink fascist madness. So far. It is similar to 1930's Nazy party campaigns.

[@jakke1975]

1:11:10 Seriously, I expect better from University teachers. There are other EU countries not using the Euro. It does facilitate general business (instead of facilitating banks who run with the conversion costs with no work involved). I'd be much more worried about the country's bookkeeping and divergion on EU regulation. Those 2 really are deal breakers and the Tories are running the opposite way of the EU. The longer you're excluded, the harder it will become to rejoin. But first you should worry whether you rejoin as the UK. Scotland and Ireland may have other ideas.

[@FFM0594]

I think he's wrong about the UK becoming more active internationally.

[@MrDAV991]

could you give the definition of what the uk is. the word Brexit what does it stand for. you talk about British government and you speak and reply in English ? does Wales Scotland and Ireland have other names too.

[@paddymcelligott5375]

People keep referring to Ireland... not sure why as the Republic of Ireland is not part of the Uk/Britain. It's a separate, independent, EU country. The UK is England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. NI is a part of the island of Ireland which was retained under british rule when the Republic of Ireland gained independence in 1921.

[@glynmatthews678]

This is a long lecture can anyone let me know if they found a single benefit from any of this sh*t ??? Just 1 will do

[@blechtic]

Support for Scottish and Welsh independence is trending up?

[@beckyboop3517]

I don't believe there are any benefits for the uk, unless you are one of the elite tax dodgers. 🏴‍☠️ tally ho on plague Island. They've all done really well out of a virus £££ too, the robbing privileged parasites.

[@bingbongbingbongbingbongbi4384]

@@blechtic pretty cringe reply.

[@blechtic]

@@bingbongbingbongbingbongbi4384 I aim for beauty. Also, ditto.

[@bingbongbingbongbingbongbi4384]

@@blechtic your sentiment is pretty ugly I must say.

[@bernardmolloy4463]

United Ireland all the way. It was coming before Brexit.

[@didierlemoine6771]

NI protocol could be apply to independant Scotland if there is a political wish :)

[@ab-ym3bf]

No, it is a special deal to (try to) keep the peace in a troubled region. Scotland can be like any other EU memberstate and have a normal border with a third country. Do not start with special deals and exceptions again. One either wants to join or not.

[@blechtic]

@@ab-ym3bf Yep, that's English/Tory talk.

[@ab-ym3bf]

@@blechtic I am all for Scottish independence if they chose só, and be happy to welcome them back as member 28 to the EU, but people should not have unrealistic expectations. This one had a whiff of English exceptionalism in it.

[@bingbongbingbongbingbongbi4384]

@@blechtic Wales also voted to leave the EU so please stop with divisive Anti-English Xenophobic language, it's really ugly.

[@blechtic]

@@bingbongbingbongbingbongbi4384 From what I can tell, Wales, not so much the Welsh. As for ugly xenophobic language, special deals, exceptions, etc., I see many a proud Englishman and Tory engaging in that, calling it patriotic and the media pushing it. Seemed like English/Tory project through and through. If the association is wrong, change the perception. Only the English(/Tories) can change the label, I can't. I can still point it out and I shouldn't be accosted for taking them at their word if there is no clear, public social or political pushback or condemnation from the relevant people themselves. Take on the media, politicians, these nationalists if it bugs you, because like it or not, they seem to be the public mainstream.

[@johncapo2843]

BREXIT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN BRITAIN- (liz webster - local campaigner - Aug 24, 2021) smartest words to describe the crazies so far

[@kristJ25]

Interesting

[@MrJohnQCitizen]

Are country are rules

[@casteretpollux]

Carole Cadwallader's work showed up Brexit as a joint project of the US and UK military industrial political complex. It was about weakening the EU economically and militarily. The US built up the basis for the EU post WW2 as a buffer against the USSR and to prevent socialism in European countries. Once the USSR was destroyed the US saw the EU only as a potential rival. Brexit is about geopolitics, not about seafood.

[@johnproton259]

On the security issue.... We're no longer part of the interpol database. We are less safe.

[@vatsmith8759]

I think you may be mistaken. Interpol is an international body, nothing to do with the EU.

[@johnproton259]

@@vatsmith8759 europol I meant. 😅

[@vatsmith8759]

@@johnproton259 So the EU is now also less safe because Europol doesn't have access to the UK police database. You'd think common sense would prevail...

[@johnproton259]

@@vatsmith8759 mate, if we were applying common sense, we'd never ever have left the EU in the first place! Yes 28 countries used to share info. Now only 27 countries share info. Those 27 countries are a little less secure. But that one leaver country is a lot less secure as visitors from those other 27 countries could theoretically be criminals. See how it works? We ended freedom of movement....for us! The other 27 are still free to move amongst and been their countries... Unlike us brits. Brexit is an epic self - administered bitch slap - we played ourselves.

[@vatsmith8759]

@@johnproton259 But on the other hand can we not now bar EU criminals from entering the UK, which we couldn't do before, so in that respect we are safer.

[@TungaroPlau]

6:56

[@earthman6700]

A Winter of Discontent Part II

[@krumble104]

I went to Penglais… 🤣🤣🤓