Shadow Priest Mythic+ Guide - Season 1 (The War Within)

[@andreak7001]

Thanks Publik for the detailed guide! I especially appreciated your description of pulling with the tank, I've never been confident in M+ and that was super helpful!

[@joshurah]

It’s weird shadowfiend has been crap for so long. I could never press it and nothing would change. The worst three minute cooldown in game.

[@-t96]

I forget to press it sometimes lol, I guess in raid when we use mindbender instead it matters a bit more idk lol

[@vocnys]

You're a legend Publik, thank you for everything you're doing

[@Daisuke69]

Super informative! As someone who hasn’t played shadow priest in awhile I learned a lot. I’m bummed voidweaver isn’t that good right now. I wanted to play because of the aesthetic and fantasy it offers.

[@Ayy.Its.Kruciall]

@Daisuke69 in a perfect scenario, voidweaver is BARELY 2% behind Archon, and as higher mythic lvls come out and harder content Voidweaver will ramp up even more so the gap will decrease even more. So having saod that play whichever you prefer. Ive mained priest a long time and after trying both Voidweaver just feels and plays so much better for me, including the rotation and thematics of it. Voidweaver is a perfectly solid pick and don't let anyone discourage you otherwise

[@Daisuke69]

@@Ayy.Its.Kruciall thanks for the advice!

[@zinnia4516]

You are wrong the higher the key the bigger the gap between voidweaver and archon gets​@@Ayy.Its.Kruciall

[@Ayy.Its.Kruciall]

@zinnia4516 All depends on the skill of the player too, and I personally don't like the Archon rotation. A skilled Voidweaver will do more dps than an average archon any day. But I feel ya homie ✌🏼🙏🏻

[@SkigoOSRS]

​@@Ayy.Its.Kruciall ​it's my understanding that in that situation (and simming in general) it always assumes entropic rift having 100% uptime on 100% of targets, which doesn't seem to happen often at all in actuality. Which sucks because imo Voidweaver is way cooler thematically. Also voidblast sounds cool af

[@SkigoOSRS]

I hadnt played since Shadowlands. You're singlehandedly keeping me in the game! 😂

[@crewser004]

I swapped to spriest in SL and haven't swapped back to mage. Thanks for the guides, brotha.

[@GoKayvonGo]

Another great video my dude! For M+ i know you said it depeneds on play style but i've noticed Ara and Gale pulling ahead of the other two options for trinkets. I didnt get spy master's web yet tho.

[@slashdance.]

good stuff, love your content

[@MrLuciphear]

awesome guide, appreciates it a lot. good work!

[@jayryan1956]

Voidweaver is sick but Entropic rift is a bit weird with the way it follows targets. Sometimes it’ll randomly take off on a target that’s completely away from the main pack and it just loses all its uptime in aoe basically

[@Publikwow]

Yeah its real weird

[@25rsimp]

If you have a hard time with the finger gymnastics on a keyboard, you can try getting a MMO mouse or a something like a Razer tartarus game pad.

[@charlesincharge1245]

You can also bind buttons to shift 1, ctrl 1, alt 1 etc

[@ohnoitsmatt]

I have used various Naga mice since Lich King and I can’t play without it. I’ve driven to the store same day before to replace one and now I keep a working old one for a back up!

[@ivocorti8370]

Still makes me sad that the visually better looking Hero Talent and also thematically better one is just worse and so anti-synergie with VOIDform - it's literally called VOIDweaver. Blizz really fucked this one up.

[@perkulant4629]

It’s rough when you delve with a prot pala mate who has OP bran spec lol. Feel like I can’t do anything before mobs die.

[@logan1021]

Voidweaver really needs a buff it’s sickening how much easier and stronger archon is compared to voidweaver lol

[@Publikwow]

Yeah im worried its not even a numbers thing. If voidweaver sims better than archon thats one thing but in practice entropic rift is a lot less consistent in raids with positioning.

[@LeSangDuTigre]

Thanks for the guide. I still feel kind of playing the class "wrong". The dps numbers are okayish, but it feels just off.

[@00wkee]

I really miss an instant aoe spell like mind sear :(

[@jonhara]

hey man nice guide is there a possiblility to get this plater ?

[@How_I_Grow]

Nice guide man! Greetings from Germany. Can you tell me what makro you using for the Mindspike on your Action Bar 4? Would be nice to know =)

[@Publikwow]

It is the Mind Flay: Insanity No-Cancel from my guide. This also works with Mind Spike but doesnt actually do anything. www.icy-veins.com/wow/shadow-priest-pve-dps-macros-addons #showtooltip /stopmacro [channeling:Mind Flay: Insanity] /cast Mind Flay

[@TinyTypo]

Thanks for the awesome guide, just a quick question if you see this, with Mind Flay: Insanity being so much of our damage now, does Mind Devourer not become really strong just cause it's going to give us 5+ more Mind Flay: Insanity uses per dungeon?

[@Publikwow]

Yes and no, it’s just about balancing the consistency of other points with mind devourer’s flat chance to proc which can feel a bit feast or famine at times

[@dIggl3r]

I've always played Shadow Priest, but stopped playing by the end of WOD. Thinking of coming back to play, would it be hard to "get into it" again, after all those years? (used to be a top raider, can't say I was great at M+)

[@Publikwow]

It has more similarities to wod than you might think try it out and have fun!

[@HenningKilset76]

I need to get better at pre-dotting and fade. I do badly on some large packs because I'm not doing this properly I think.

[@edge4192]

In higher keys what dot class tends to scale better the longer things are alive, affliction or shadow?

[@Guilhermedetiuki]

Both are very competitive, but i would say shadow priest in a scale perpective, but The warlock could done more burst damage

[@JonesMCB]

Where i can find your nameplates? Btw nice video! Love!

[@Publikwow]

It’s in my wago profile! There’s a video on my channel going over it as well. If you can’t find it message me on discord and can send it over when I get access to my pc

[@asun1419]

Void weaver looks better and plays better for many I suspect. Screw archon halo crap.

[@perkulant4629]

Beyoncé spam is fun with the insanity probs though.

[@logan1021]

I know voidweaver is so much more fun than archon lol and that new dark ascension look for dracthyrs no one is going to use it because everyone is an archon priest

[@jolzaxdd]

Thanks king ❤

[@gotmoye9971]

a thing i was wondering as you talked about last, at what point should i look for crit and versatility? or do i just not go for that and try to focus only on haste mastery??

[@Publikwow]

Short answer is we really dont in season 1. More info here: www.icy-veins.com/wow/shadow-priest-pve-dps-stat-priority

[@Gobez28]

yes ghosts!!!!

[@SkigoOSRS]

😂 In Legion, surrender to madness with shadowy apparitions and every slot having crit/haste was the most fun I've ever had on a Shadow priest. I love ghosts ❤

[@livebythews]

Do we want to always lineup torrent with/inside of VE when we can or is it better to use torrent first then pop VE?

[@a-me5cf]

I am not looking forward to the beginning of the season in PU because mobs will die so fast I'll be pretty useless aside from bosses.

[@victuss1413]

I hope we eventually get a glyph for old shadowform. Or a toy....or something

[@Nitram2605]

I just did world tour m0, I felt pretty confident most of the time, but there’s times where I got nothing, so I fill with non-improved flay, which can feel kinda clunky. Where do you feel we’re positioned in higher keys?

[@asthmaticninja4430]

High keys is when spriest finally gets to deliver on its damage profile. Before then mobs die too fast to the likes of fury/frost mage burst aoe that psychic link doesn't get a chance to ramp and our dots to tick

[@Nitram2605]

@@asthmaticninja4430But I have a hard time to figure out how we compare to lets say Arcane mage which is considdered s-tier, just sondering if we still can compete beyond +14 keys

[@asthmaticninja4430]

@@Nitram2605 all I would say is most parties are going to be 3 different dps, and if one is arcane mage, maybe another is rogue, possibly augmentation too - they will want PI and priest healers look in a bad spot right now. You'll be competitive in damage across the dungeon in high keys, and you'll be buffing your team not just for dmg with pi, but your raid buff becomes super valuable in higher keys too.

[@Melodeath00]

The current damage profile of SP will always be good in medium-high M+ just because of how it's designed. We can do good good ST and AoE without having to sacrifice too much, compared to many other specs which have an obvious choice between ST and AoE, where you reallly have to sacrifice the other to be good at one. We also still have the best mechanic in the game when it comes to singletarget bursting a prio target / high hp mob while passively cleaving all the other mobs in the pack. We still have PI.

[@quevif]

What about tier pieces, when should we start using the catalyst and for which pieces first ?

[@Publikwow]

I would usually save your first catalyst charge for going from 3p to 4p. Or if you have more than 1 charge you can use 2 for 2p to 4p. We prefer to drop gloves and use the other 4

[@Iehovv]

Hi . If i got that arakara trinket ilvl 545 is it still better than some regular 590 trinket?

[@TheChaylaq]

Hİ, can you please explain how you can see ''Mind Flay: Insanity'' procs in the middle ur screen? I mean mine only procs one on left and one on right side, I mean it always shows like it has only 2 stacks even it's at 4 stack (I only realize that when I check the right top buffs). However in your screen you can even see when u have 3 stacks, there will spawn an extra third bar in your screen. please let me know how I can open this setting?

[@Publikwow]

This is a weak aura wago.io/DNGkeaLy5

[@TheChaylaq]

@@Publikwow thank you so much!

[@TheChaylaq]

I see that you’re not using your mind flay procs immediately? Can you please explain why you holding the procs? I mean I use it immediately ehenever I see its proc and not sure if I have to hold it or not..

[@Publikwow]

You only want to max prio them when they are about to cap or you want the short term burst. For longer duration pulls you want to spread out the procs so that we have less dead time in the rotation when we have other stuff available to press

[@omones]

Curious what add ons are u running? :) new player just started shadow priest

[@Publikwow]

I run quite a lot, there is a guide on my channel that goes over some of it. Bug stuff is just weak auras, plater, details, and shadowed unit frames.

[@-t96]

I honeslty enjoy Archon over voidweaver as voidweaver felt so clunky, slow, and the grandma movement of our rift is just painful to watch. My biggest gripe is how useless we feel outside of halo... In dragonflight we did giant damage outside of void eruption. Our dots + void torrent genuinely felt powerful no matter what. Void torrent is so measly compared to mind flay insanity its extremely sad. Our dots also feel pretty weak. I understand hero talents are supposed to be our new bread and butter. But i want to do damage outside of halo man... It hurts

[@jessicafee5182]

Maybe I'm just missing it but I looked your talent build up on armory and didn't see Shadow Crash? Do I not need that talent? I've played disc forever but just getting into shadow, thanks for your vids and help!

[@Publikwow]

Was probably my single target raid build :) you take shadow crash for anything more than single target

[@jessicafee5182]

@@Publikwow thank you!

[@Draco14-14]

thx for the video, i got kicked 6 times from m0 because i dont do dmg when everything dies in 15 secs i dont know what to do i cant do dungeons, idk if i should laugh or cry

[@mistakai4226]

Our damage is far too low. Everything is tuned poorly with shadow right now. You feel it in PvP, you feel it in dungeons, and you see it in sims.

[@-t96]

Don't feel bad. We legit cannot do anything against burst classes. I typically only use halo on mobs as it's extremely quick and you hit a solid 1m+ DPS on mobs with your mind flay insanity proccing. Save your void erupt + pi for boss fights where you can easily be number 1. I would say also to just focus on getting insanity procs quick as that's most of our dmg rn. Hope this helps.

[@dicklee9314]

When we all stop playing shadow, maybe devs will realize they haven't done anything with this spec in a decade.

[@XeLSwe]

If anyone sees this, I got a question, I recently got a high rolled 'Quickwick Candlestick' trinket. Is it worth to stagger it with PI since diminishing return on haste or just pop both at the same time? Thanks!

[@Publikwow]

Pop them both at the same time :)

[@paulhayes7744]

Love intro

[@Hadesxo027]

Hi, I'm asking for a small advice here. In our premade we have a shadow priest who is not particularly performing that amazing. Their logs are fairly average (80-83s mostly on median) but besides 1-2 fight scenarios: 1. using all CDs with PI and BL 2. boss fight where there is minimal movement involved (e.g. 2nd boss in Grim Batol) The Spriest just doesn't bring numbers. We do 10 keys now with our full premade, although with some of our members we push to 11-12s. here is some of our recent results: 10 NW: 800k (1.8 vs 1 mill) 11 Mist: 700k (1.7 vs 1 mill) 10 ara: 850k (1.95 vs 1.1 mill) 10 siege: 700k (1.6 mill vs 900k) I'm a more experienced player (3.5-3.7k most seasons), but currently we mostly time keys by "us (the other dps + me)" carrying our friend. Just to clarify i'm a non-meta dps by all means, I play what I play because I like and when I'm pugging I'm also outdps-ing "meta" dps by 100-200k at least. Now we would like our friend to play with us, but something needs to be done. I played Spriest (as an alt to 22-23 keys previously (current 12-13)), but due to lack of time and money for mats I only play 2 chars which none of them are priest. I haven't even levelled up my priest yet and its a very low priority. I know from experience that "spriest performs better the higher keys go --> mobs survive", but we cannot say "I will do good when we get to 15 keys". I mean you get my point. I will suggest trying out Voidweaver, since it seems to provide more "frequent and more instant dmg" especially when paired with 2 high output dps, but maybe you can give me some insights which can be done or how you - cope when you are paired with high performers / meta dps in your group. Having a spriest is really a great addition to our group comp, especially we exchange who gets PI on Bosses and trash + mint soothe really just help to skip mobs. Currently we are more or less good, but when I do solo pug content I meet usually 3x capable dps who bring the numbers (besides doing mechanics) and keys are significantly smoother that way (oh who guessed it, such wow :D).

[@Dreadsithar]

Anyone know why his mind flay insanity visual tracker shows 3 charges? Mine will only ever show 2 even at 4 stacks

[@Publikwow]

It’s a weak aura I built. It’s in my shadow pack if you want to rip it out of thst

[@Kratho_01]

What do I have to do to get the same display for the "Mind Flay: Insanity Stacks"? I get a maximum of 2 "bars" regardless of whether I have 2, 3 or 4 stacks.

[@Publikwow]

This is a weak aura that is part of my pack in the description!

[@Kratho_01]

@@Publikwow thank you very much

[@sammys9361]

any idea what talent points to drop for mind spike, and how much of a dps loss it is? I just prefer it lol

[@Publikwow]

Depends on which build in particular you are talking about warcraftpriests.github.io/?talents=ar_vf_cthun_flay_me&sims=talents_top&fightStyle=Single if you have a specific build in mine i can give you that string

[@abigbutterstick1780]

What about Priest side talents?

[@Publikwow]

Written guide goes over those choices in depth! www.icy-veins.com/wow/shadow-priest-pve-dps-spec-builds-talents#priest-class-talent-choices

[@guillermoel]

How do you make it so that it shows you more than 2 stacks of Surge of Insanity?

[@Publikwow]

It’s part of my weak aura pack that’s in the description!

[@itsPlaguie]

How do u get insanity procs shown as more than 2? Mine always cap at two visually on screen :/ it's annoying to check the actual buff number.

[@Publikwow]

It’s part of my weak aura pack! Link is in the description

[@helzing5114]

i feel like void eruption rotation is way too tight, and that you can miss spells or cap if you dont pay attention. is it just me or is it the low haste?

[@Publikwow]

Bit of both. Higher haste will help but unfortunately we won’t always fit everything in, particularly mind blast

[@YorgiGolfs]

Interesting your m+ build and the wowhead build are completely different.

[@Adym18]

Bro didn't lie to me, it was tomorrow

[@jonathanb9827]

Buff voidweaver plz

[@nishiki2753]

So how painful is it to have to know so much about voidweaver knowing you wont be playing it anywhere?

[@Ayy.Its.Kruciall]

Idk why, only thing painful is feeling forced to play boring archon for a measly 2%. Voidweaver just feels so much better

[@mistakai4226]

The frustrating thing is that archon should be doing less overall DPS because it has access to much higher burst windows. Voidweaver should naturally be tuned to a higher damage level over 2 mins because archon has the burst available in the first 20 seconds.

[@hanzomain8302]

Archon has also much more survival. 10% more stamina is huge

[@_DarkMoves]

people don't get that archon is better if both play perfectly which never happens

[@_DarkMoves]

pick the spec u find fun and appealing and u'll get better with it than the counterpart, i'm already out-dps'ing archons as void and my spells look awesome

[@hvbhasin]

Hi, thanks for the guide. Are you planning to add a Delve section to the guide as well?

[@Rblx013]

Oddly enough I’m getting bigger numbers stacking vers

[@Publikwow]

That doesn’t make any logical sense

[@carlzen5540]

Soo annoying their putting movement to races, give the class movement..

[@StevenEckert-l3c]

Simonis Vista

[@paulhayes7744]

I stopped playing WoW at the beginning of MoP and came back at the end of season 1 of Dragonflight ... still struggling with the complexity of playing this game as a clicker.. is clicking a "viable" way to play WoW anymore, or do I have to " get with the program" so to speak? I try to find ways to retrain on the priest discord and other sources but It's hard to navigate through all the noise imo

[@stevenbarbir5158]

There are so many things on the ground now. Its very hard to click and move at the same time. I would key bind everything and run low level dungeons over and over again until you've memorized everything.

[@andreak7001]

You might be able to get away with clicking on open-world content, and maybe in LFR/non-mythic dungeons... but for anything more difficult you will almost certainly need to use an MMO mouse or keyboard

[@cassiomansini]

did u change the music? dislike

[@cassiomansini]

jokes, i did like

[@mkay8323]

Shadow is no longer as fun as the last addon. And I think the hero designs are crap.