Pump and Turbos Back From Coating… IS IT Better??? ... Steve Morris

[@Anthony-610]

I'm by no means an expert but I feel like I usually understand what Steve's trying to explain, yet every video he's answering comments from people who don't understand. I think some people just aren't ever gonna understand, sadly. Yet Steve is such a nice guy instead of just telling them they're stupid he keeps trying to help them understand.

[@stevemorrisracing]

😁

[@Sharkey_t]

just remember, there is no such thing as a stupid question, just stupid people.

[@kb8030]

😊!ha…if you don’t either think with an engineering mind or have a shitload of wrenching/life experience….youre probably not going to get it the first time….cant wait to see the results after a couple passes…and tear down….!!!! Thx Steve/Kyle!!!!!!!

[@samsonian]

@@kb8030what really makes me wonder is: how does that surface treatment hold up to oil and the detergents in oil…seems to me it might not work the way Steve thinks (in the long run, obv not within a few hundred hours of first clearance).

[@jodycopeland1]

It doesn’t need to be spun with out oil film on it

[@chrisobyrne5823]

Absolutely love the detailed explanations and info you give us on you channel. Also love the fact your honest and understand that no one knows everything, your willing to learn, listen to people and at the same time provide education to us “normals” (I am a good automotive technician) but also I don’t know anywhere near everything! Love learning new things, makes me a better tech!

[@kozz1963]

2 minutes in the video Steve Morris proves he's is razor proof !!

[@stephenlea5765]

Steve put the box cutter down!

[@JnixMarshel]

Razors can't cut diamond

[@Channel-jy1ui]

Took you 4 minutes to write that😂😂😂😂

[@Tony-M]

Dude was freaking me out with that blade for sure.

[@neilvenners3309]

When two powerhouses like Steve Morris and Bill the oil nerd come together they produce 💥 SMOIL ❗️ Great video thank you Steve 🤙🇬🇧

[@Ron_Masterjohn]

I like how Dewey is hands on management. ❤️🐕❤️

[@mikebougher3731]

Nothing gets by him. 😂👍

[@samsonian]

Dewey’s the original ‘Bird Dog’….😂😂

[@Ron_Masterjohn]

@@mikebougher3731😂😊

[@jimmanis6717]

@@Ron_Masterjohn don't kid yourself, he's a slacker, I've seen him sleeping on the clock a few times and he doesn't hold tolerances on his CNC runs...LoL but he's a good boy!!

[@dave8895]

Dewey is the kind of employee you keep around just because you like him.

[@maegenyoungs2591]

Steve just say it’s self clearancing material that’s built up past it’s actual size, but needs to be broken in to create clearance anywhere it’s been applied to create a perfect clearance/ tolerance for better sealing pressure properties…

[@deeremeyer1749]

Because if you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit. How does that "self clearancing material" know when the "clearance" is "correct" and if it has so many "benefits" why the fuck isn't it in and on "high performance" parts from the "factory"?

[@maegenyoungs2591]

@ well said brother… well said..

[@The340king]

The really cool thing is that it self clearances, which is important for things that expand under pressure (turbo housing, oilpumphousing, etc.). We used it on a 305 sprint car engine that had some dings on the piston skirts that were a little undersized. Abradable coatings are going to increase in use over time.

[@JW-hm6ou]

Steve does do a great job of explaining all aspects of whatever he's explaining during his videos or on the phone or in person.

[@leehrh263]

I hope the Line2line coating really works. I just sent my 6-71 to be coated. I'll keep you posted after I get it back.

[@mikebougher3731]

That's what the coating was originally made for. First started to help refurbish the rotors for industrial blowers.

[@randallmason9687]

Do the big blowers have Teflon stripes on the rotors? The little B&M blower that I used to run had them.

[@mikebougher3731]

@randallmason9687 the original detroit diesel blowers didn't but alot of the aftermarket stuff did.

[@bigbearvenom6145]

Teflon seals are in them serves no purpose to line them except for their pockets at the company. The ones without Teflon seals would be an advantages...

[@poiter5876]

eaton rotor assemblys seem to have this coating

[@studbolt5627]

One of Michigan’s few treasures Mr. Steve Morris

[@redchemicalsltd2324]

Steve - @18:50... l would assume that to gain the most benefit from the self clearance line-to-line coating on rotating parts, you should only be rotating that oil pump in the direction of operation. Any reverse direction effectively destroys the clearance advantages immediately...😮🇬🇧.

[@mostlymotorized]

Yep. This whole thing is a clown show. Promoting line2line.

[@bretbradbury5559]

Some people don't have any clue whatsoever and never will. They'll call this a promotion or a scam which I love to see since those guys will often come in last at the races. If you even barely knew Steve Morris, you would know that he wouldn't coat is $9500.00 turbos or his $4000.00 oil pump if he didn't know or believe the juice was worth the squeeze. He is as busy as any man I know and that's coming from a person that works 90hrs a week. No way Steve would waste even 5 minutes doing something unless it benefited him greatly.

[@TinSoldierRacecars]

Shirt looks good on you buddy!

[@Jack_Rabbit_1]

Tin man is in the house!

[@1320pass]

I see what you did there..😉

[@steveschulz7824]

Keys can be a pain. Woodruff keys are the worst about staying in place. I used to put a small dab of grease on the back edge of the key before putting it in place. Works quite well.

[@HarryStirnemann]

It's abraidable but also pores to hold oil. Like on the skirts of the pistons.

[@Hunterbeartrack]

I think the best way to describe line 2 line coating to someone is it’s like using a body filler on a dent. You’re gonna sand the top off to make it perfectly smooth

[@NickArrigigotti]

It is used in metal to metal interactions and can be applied to lifters, piston skits, ring gears, connecting rods etc.

[@allenbensinger228]

Keep teaching and preaching and I'll listen.. I always love learning new things and about products.

[@Cantthinkofahandle117]

Steve, the correct technical term for the "pointy part", is the Pokey Bit.

[@ryandeweese363]

Pokey bit... that's funny

[@ronlalonde8251]

Love the videos. Always learning something new ! Thank you for the time you spend making this so interesting to watch.

[@Hemetbill24]

I HATE YOU BECAUSE I LEARN STUFF EVERYTIME!! But really this is GREAT STUFF!! LOVE THIS!! THIS CHANNEL ROCKS!!! KEEP IT UP!!

[@BenjySparky]

Steve and Dewey, y'all rock! Can't wait to hear it run. Peace 🎄🍻💨

[@Fawx521]

Always fun to follow Steve on these adventures and learn new things. Also want to give a shout out to his camera man while explaining this stuff. Always keeping what's in context in focus.

[@joshrawlings2621]

I was intently viewing the rebuilding of the pump when an Odour similar to old Oil hit me. Such is the connection to this level of Content. Thanks to you... Steve & Crew....🛠️

[@jaredcissell1454]

Scaring me with that razor blade buddy!

[@Leroys_Stuff]

Everything is a spring the coating filling a void until it’s rubbed really cool stuff

[@Dave-td3tu]

Hey Steve, coating on the turbos may be ok, however the oil pump might be different. I remember my machinest reclaiming the gear Cresent style pump pockets on an Allison transmission. This really relates to any pump as the chrysler pumps are the geroter style. Now he was an excellent machinest but his clearances we too perfect. Pumps were coming back burnt and many were found after a dyno bounce for other reasons. Upon inspection of OEM pumps the outer gear to the pocket was .006"-.007" factory. His pumps were .001-.0015. This tight clearance did NOT allow a film of lubrication between the two and therefor seizing and overheating the pocket. So, I believe there needs to be clearance between those rotors so they stay lubricated.I'm curious to see the pump run after a couple dynos runs. Love you guys, keep up the great work!

[@lt1nut]

The coating will abrade all the way back to the base metal if/as needed and I'm confident that oil temps will be logged. I see no reason for anything to grow and coke or stick. L2L has this down to a science in aeronautical fashion; worst case is "no noticeable improvement"...

[@KCadbyRacing]

??? There's a HUGE difference between lack of clearance (metal to metal) vs these coatings which are abradable, self clearance-ing...

[@Desertmoto]

@@lt1nutcame here to say this. If the coating is too thick, by design it will self clearance even down to the point where the coating is gone in some spots to ensure proper clearance. However, it will leave the coating in places where there wasn’t coating before just so long as it isn’t being worn down.

[@richardgower3710]

Love it , I understood it the first time you said it. I'm going to send a piston in that has the tiniest piston slap on deceleration on my aircompressor.

[@brianmaninger23]

With the 13:00 13:01 gap less turbos, the efficiency should be verified through the dyno testing process!! Great idea!

[@kurtisstutzman7056]

That turbo is massive...!!! Thanks for sharing... Keep up your awesomeness...!!!

[@tomhamilton9140]

I have been coating the drive gear for over 20 years on SB ford and GM oil pumps with great success from PolyDyn HIGH-PERFORMANCE COATINGS. We only coat one gear either the drive or idler gear. Pull them apart on rebuilds they look like new. Would highly recommend on factory style oil pumps.

[@philstevens8950]

Excellent content once again.

[@DonaldRizzo-x6f]

Merry Christmas to you and your family and a happy new year God bless great video

[@johnmorgan4017]

Awesome stuff! I’ve been using that coating for air brake air compressors. Pressure build up is faster plus less oil bypass into the filters.

[@pattman96]

Making me want to get some line to line coating on my stuff . Love the wagon

[@jlancaster7482]

1:56 Man Steve, you had me nervous with that box blade.

[@BlitzFreak369]

Dewy’s Awesome!

[@BIGTONY2132001]

When Steve was waving the razor knife around,😁 I couldn't hear a word he was saying!

[@gerrymilidantri6457]

I have worked on advanced abradable coating systems for turbine engine compressors and high turbine blades and seals. Another simple way to understand this seal package is a path or seal track /path will be worn/ abraded into the coating and create a seal in the contact area The oil pump it may be beneficial to only coat the internal gear housing

[@vehdynam]

Another informative and thought provoking video. Much appreciated as always.

[@VATION3RD-GEN-X-GARAGE]

Steve JC Whitney back in the day sold those compression balls that you'd put in each cylinder and it will put abraidable coating on the inside of the cylinder to fill cylinder gaps eventually it'll chew up the excess coating and in the excess would end up going behind the worn out compression Rings fill in the ring gaps and push the Rings out the making compression again...

[@stevemorrisracing]

Dang

[@Mark-um7ey]

Hahahaha yeah that sounds like some 1970's JC Whitney products. They sold some good stuff but they also sold some things comparable to the sea monkeys in the back of a comic book

[@D95SI420]

Been a super geek mechanic all my life and when he first showed the coating then described that it wasn't for heat or protection I immediately though he was using it like a filler to tighten tolerances wherever he as the coating on turbo, the tighter the air gap without tearing up blades the better for the turbine and since its not a super hard type coating it can "wear" a bit as turbo breaks in along with bearing wear among other things. Whenever i would do turbo rebuilds or back in my FWD racing days there is a spec for the clearance obviously and the difference between the OEM turbos vs real quality racing stuff was easy to see with much tighter tolerances, all the ebay stuff was horrible and blew up many of em cause they did have their place and i had to get started somehow. Anyways great idea Steve like always, You have to always be innovating and not afraid to try stuff like you do all the time. He is also right about OEM's using stuff like this in turbos cause i have seen quite a few but imagine its way more common on the newest stuff and of course higher end stuff usually gets the cool tech from racing that all trickles down first. I mainly work on European stuff and boy do they love special coatings on everything, The Nikasil coating on cylinder walls was the death of many 4.4 and 4.8 BMW motors lol.

[@zachjones6691]

You are extremely good at explaining this stuff I very much appreciate it sir

[@hooptylife]

Hell yeah I look forward to the videos and learning new stuff

[@nadronnocojr]

I thought it was easy as to understand, because you explained it very well.pretty simple premise…….great information “ it’s science “

[@ValiRossi]

@19:40 Wow! Our man Steve is gonna become a wealthy oil Typhoon. :)

[@jbyrd420michigan5]

Wow dude been watching you for a minute from the Cletus channel never expected to see if Woody powered ss Impala is this a 94 what year is so awesome one of my favorite cars

[@jbyrd420michigan5]

But realistically the Impala wagon is sick bro and you are so smart I can't even keep up sometimes

[@miceinoz1181]

Yep, self-clearancing things are in aviation too. Airborne sand and dust erode turbine leading edge, so does moisture/air itself (just look at some small aircraft propeller erosion along the blade leading edges). And yes, there may be a film of oil between the oil pump rotors, just like main/bigend bearings. Nonetheless, main and bigend bearings (on a standard car engine) still wear despite this.

[@Shademax4273]

Pretty cool stuff👍. In my experience I run a filter on the street it might be alot easier to add than you might think.

[@br549rdr]

I love how Steve investigates everything to understand how it works. Then explains it to us. He should had been a teacher in trade school.

[@sonny9608]

He is. This is.

[@mostlymotorized]

I like how hes continuously 10 years behind everyone on these things, then explains it as he "kinda figures it out" while recording the video

[@wobblysauce]

15:52 Put the Orings in boiling water they should shrink back to the original size, and when they have contact with oil they swell.

[@aragorn469]

Damn, still learning. Thanks Steve!

[@Wish_Dot_Com]

Steve's not allowed to be in an explanation with any objects in his hands. 😂😂

[@Dynomite-Dan]

Gosh this is interesting, might have to look into it for my harts 3.0 turbo for my pull truck. Excited to see results we scratch and fight for every edge we can

[@ROUXGAROUX-v3v]

Dewey on QC, definitely the brains of this op.

[@bobc8694]

I believe the best way to look at it for me when one of my customers first had it done on his engine That I was building for him, Was basically self clearancing it's self and the lower part will get tighten up with less blow by... I do believe that I'm understanding the purpose and the possibly of it helping... there's a lot of pretty cool coatings out there now of days.. on a lot of the stuff I do we ues a great piston skirt coating , that I know has saved Me a few cylinders..... cool stuff......Bob

[@GRTRanchadventures]

May be to late here but, you could make a blanking plate for the compressor side v band connection with a orifice sized to simulate the back pressure it would see under boost. Just for wear in to keep the coating out of the engine while it clearances itself. I understand it would not be the same as the real life running condition but maybe it would be closer. Just a thought, and with your machines you could make something with a port for a pressure xducer, and/or interchangeable plates with different sized orifices if you wanted.

[@jimlove4541]

Steve if you were to look at a factory new untouched Quadra jet carb the plates would have a product painted on them at the edges where they met the bore.. This would then crack when first opened and give a perfect seal. The product needed to be repainted on after a dip and rebuild.

[@adamspencer3620]

You can tell a great deal about someone By The way they treat critters

[@NickArrigigotti]

It is nice to see you are using line to line. Have you looked at WPC coating? No added thickness. Has added two times the life span on drift engines.

[@chriskoch1145]

Put a bit of Vaseline on the back side of those woodruff keys to help them stay in place while you assemble the pump. I use it for locks on valve stems too. Works great

[@REITexas25]

Dewey is a good boy, tell him we said woof. 😂

[@wizardind3203]

the coating needs next to no oil ,the clearance can go to a negative clearance ,all helps with psi and vacuum, as the coating goes away recoat so the metal doesn't ware .its a pump it moves oil ,long term nostarts the coatings should be better. you may find one line you could add aT as a prime port for long tern no starts

[@EASTSIDERIDER707]

The shop is looking good.

[@timtompkins150]

Think about using a guide coat over the primer. When you block sand it the black is still in the scratches and low areas. All the minute gaps are filled and the surface is flat.

[@MrShakotan]

It may be worth marking each rotor next time that pump comes apart. Each lobe should wear into the other perfectly. Probably already figured that. Ceramic coating on the turbine housings do look really nice.

[@atheplummer]

Line 2 line stuff sounds amazing. It seems like a great way to take up any aberrant efficiency losses in the engine, without causing damage to the 'hard parts'. Softer material will always give way (wear too) harder parts. But instead of making your tolerances so tight, they MAY not work, without causing damage, Line 2 line coatings give you the tightest possible tolerances, without causing damage to pistons & bore, turbo impeller blades, etc. One just needs to remember that there is a 'break in' period for the coating to conform to it's environment, as it 'wears in', and the result is the necessity to do an oil change, to remove those initial contaminants, left from the initial start up. This kind of technology could eventually revolutionize piston ring sealing. Imagine, a coating that could conform to whatever ring gap the rings NEED for that particular engine, opposed to making a SWAG (scientific wild ass guess), on exactly how much ring gap that engine needs at that particular combustion temperature.

[@604cuinkillah]

10:23 "There's never a car ahead of this one..." ~ SMX Psalm 1:11

[@stevemorrisracing]

😂

[@Berm_Blaster]

Instead of 1:11 it should be Psalm 5:40 since the SMX is 5:40cubic inches 😂

[@stevemorrisracing]

Mine is a 5:40

[@Berm_Blaster]

@@stevemorrisracing oops. Thanks for the correction. The Book of SMX, let there be many horsepowers and a ton of torque, literally a ton, Psalm 5:40

[@lt1nut]

My SMX leadeth me before mine enemy, It maketh me bask in green lights regardless of roads I travelled, I fear not for it.....

[@charliebudden5053]

Cheers from idaho !! Great video thank you Steve .

[@davidcarlisle5993]

Dewey is the best. Dewey knows.

[@mrmongo6722]

The theory has been around for decades back in the early 90’s I worked in R&D for an aerospace adhesive manufacturer and we developed a abradable seal for the 777 jet engines. We also had to come up with a repair kit because the engine would wear on the lower side of the engine due to sucking in debris during take off and taxing.

[@ldnwholesale8552]

Plus the general atmosphere. There is plenty of fine dirt in the air,, from fires, from storms, volcanic eruptions. All of which wears engines. When I think about it I am scared to even ride on a plane with no filtration or even screens on those jets. Bird strikes happen regularly that kills an engine. And so many international planes only have two engines these days

[@chrismayhand7918]

I would like to know what or if any pressure difference at idle maybe or 2 step on the turbos. Efficiency has to have gotten better

[@itzme74]

A straight edge on a little uneven surface will have gaps if you can imagine a coanting on the flat edge and scrape it on the surface will explain it in a easy to understand way

[@Turningwrenchs]

Surprise that a small belt run that thing ,we just slip it off to prime the drag car .I Used wet pumps in my race car .One thing I know for sure all the pressure is adj by end play .A better mouse trap keep up the good work STEVE

[@deeerickson1099]

you could say its like filler/ primer that you sand when painting . you sand the high spots to make a panel even and straight.its a temporary thing in this application, because its constantly movig/heat expanding, cooling/ shrinking. pretty complex if you really think about it.

[@willecutlip]

Break away torque vs output pressure. Running torque vs output pressure. Torque figures should drop over time, with a leveling off of torque indicating that the pump is “ready to go”

[@bbqporkins728]

The coating is pretty dang cool. Love to try it someday soon.

[@murphycurran]

You should try and use some sort of white mesh screen on first start up over the turbos to see if black dust collects and comes out of the turbos!

[@judgehastheword9069]

It is a self Clarencine that is put on a part to get the right amount of clsrencine .if a part is not 100% round like you piston skirt . I am thinking of having it done when it comes time to rebuild my 482ci in me Rambler American Wagon. If it is going to help a pro street I only drive on the street. I think it is a awesome item.

[@Bruntley]

Just wondering if you have tried 'Gluing' those woodruff keys in with an oil safe grease? Something like CAT Assembly grease. I find it easier to hold things in place while you assemble, saves needing a 'third' hand on anything like that, o rings, keys, needle rollers 👍

[@rocklover7437]

Many years ago Rolls Royce used to spin over their engines full of brasso brass polish to bed them in .

[@mikepaul3959]

That was a trick when I worked on forklifts years ago. A little Brasso down the carb of a newly re-ringed engine to "seat" the rings (it was hard to get a load on the engine when overhauling on the loading dock).

[@oneaustin5028]

Self clearance for tight seal. Got it.More pressure is more better

[@daledavies2334]

The coating abraids where there is no oil due to tight clearance. Then as it abraids, oil.can get in and stops the abraiding action.

[@gullreefclub]

Steve, I understand why the Line to Line coating will not work on the hot side of the Turbo however I do have questions about if a ceramic coating would be able to survive on in/out hot side of the turbo. Years ago I had the inside/outside of the headers on my street car, my Super Comp/Gas car coated, and the inside of the exhaust pipes of my Harley with great success of not only protecting the pipes from rusting but also not transferring the heat to the pipes which definitely changed my tune-ups and engine performance accordingly to my but dyno/time slips and definitely lower engine bay temperatures which could be a real benefit in drag and drive competitions. I know my leg liked it a lot when riding my scooter in the summer

[@_TN.youtube]

Take the box cutter away from Steve 😂

[@highclimber6060]

Can you mark up the turbo surface with a sharpie to track any wear differences between free spin and loaded running?

[@The_Kman]

Cool video, thanks Steve!👍

[@reneewilson4461]

Please put that blade away you’re scaring me

[@DarrinDietzel]

Our work safety not c's would be having a fit!

[@grandmasmalibu]

Yeah, that kinda scared me, too. Apparently Steve's finger is an abradable coating.

[@WellBuiltPerformanceMotorsport]

I was thinking the same thing 😅

[@travisfinch8555]

Safety 3

[@benjones3329]

reneewilson4461 Seriously?

[@wizardind3203]

Mark the crank each crack to see if there's a spiral coordination to them. The backside of the thrust bearing sounds like a transmission torque converter issue check the torque converter to see if it's damaged in any manner could it be out of balance from front to back and creating a crooked gyro effect

[@jcnpresser]

I remember watching turbo John and his old no prep car had a forward facing turbo, he eventually made it so it was turned and not facing forward anymore cause it was eating all kinds of junk. Especially if someone got out on him and was kicking up trash from the back of the track races he was doing. That turbo has some dingers in the wheel!

[@Motorsportkyle]

Nate finally made his way into the thumbnail after all this time 🤣

[@stevemorrisracing]

I’m charging him

[@Juicejunkie409]

It’s gonna self cleared so it has the oil film on it or in it however you wanna put it

[@monizpaul]

Something to think about with this coating is that it is pourus at a macroscopic level and oil will stick to it. Much like the cross hatch on the calendar wall will hold oil.

[@stevemorrisracing]

🤔

[@willecutlip]

Another way of looking at the Line-To-Line coatings is that it addresses dynamic clearances (versus static). In theory, it should improve efficiency.

[@midbc1midbc199]

It will wear in eventually. This adds reliability

[@Tomthewelder]

If anyone could possibly still not understand the reason for the coating , maybe this explanation will help. If there is excessive clearance between two parts , the coating fills it up to make it a tighter fit. If there is already a tight clearance , the coating is worn off and the clearance remains tight . End result is tight clearance all around. The coating material removed will not hurt anything , and oil still finds a way to do it's job.

[@CJ5EVOLUTION]

I guess the best thing to do, is to put the Wagon on the hub Dyno and make a couple of pulls to seat does turbos as much as possible, and clean the oil and take a look with the borescope inside the engine and if it accumulates on the spark plug by any chance.

[@john1badsti1]

it is basically a high tech coating that is self fitting between moving parts to keep tolarences minimal for optimum performance

[@FreemanSprings]

Wrapping my brain around this line to line stuff.. made me go back to the epoxied heads of the pro stock truck motor… you mentioned having to add a rollerized thrust bearing.. would this maybe help Eagle’s dyno issue when the converter locking caused the intake to blow a “fuse” ?

[@stevemorrisracing]

No, that was a tune up issue.

[@planesofpaper]

Show us the oil pressure from a log file at idle pre and post coating. That would be cool.

[@bobbygetsbanned6049]

I'm curious what it does to the pressure and volume as well.

[@c103110a]

In "real gas turbine engines" we use ceramic outer airseals and CBN tipped blades. We run a break-in cycle to radially expand the discs/blades into the stationary seals to cause the CBN blade tips to trench out the outer airseals - instead of the outer airseals eroding the blade tips. This corrects any eccentricity missmatch during assembly. Usually 0.010"-0.015" in a 12 foot diameter. Just a little factoid. (Not applicable to turbos).