The Last Of Us Lore Explained: The First 20 Years

[@gdiego135]

In order to make up for killing Joel, in the first 2 hours, they really need to make a prequel game with Joel and Tommy during those 20 years

[@shannongerbes]

Joel's dead. Revenge destroys everything . Pt2 explained that clearly

[@hassanjohnson7675]

Don't forget tess

[@gdiego135]

@@hassanjohnson7675 well yeah of course, I said the 20 years that we didn’t see, so Tess and bill would be there somewhere, and other characters that die that we don’t know about

[@RafaelMunizYT]

@@gdiego135 talking about bill and tess i noticed in tess's list that the meetings with bill started several weeks apart then shortened to fewer weeks and joel probably arrived at bill's town 2 weeks earlier than he should (in her list it says 3 more weeks and I'm assuming it took around a week for joel to walk to bill's town). wonder what they would get this time since tess complained about the last drop being too mid

[@boneworksofc.7333]

They ruined the story honestly and no it's not "REALISTIC" I'm not even gonna point that shit out but there's no interest in the last of us any characters we cared about are either ruined or dead and the fact that they most likely have to resort to a prequel game shows that they really missed the mark on part ll

[@jman090]

Jesus I think Part 2 would have really really really benefited from including a DLC of what Joel did in those 20 years. This would 1. Satisfy the people who craved for more Joel is this game and 2. Build on his character even more, show us stuff we didn't even know about him, making us want to go back and replay the games with a brand new perspective. Would've been so so good.

[@seandavis942]

I don’t think you could do those 20 years justice with a dlc. I think a full game can be made from that.

[@josemariantoniofajardo2941]

Wouldn’t have changed the stupid writing of his death

[@noendline777]

I think it wouldn't work out well in a DLC, I guess it could be a good idea for a 'The Last of Us Part 3', where we see all the stories of Joel and Tommy between 2013 and 2033. The Last of Us Part 2 introduced new characters and new possible future stories. I think they did the right thing with both games.

[@invisigoat]

I completely agree. I wouldn't be surprised if part 3 makes that a big part of the game somehow.

[@Vinny_The_Fox]

It would have been amazing

[@JeffJacquesmd]

Great video, one small detail. Corydeceps is a fungal infection, not viral. Which is why Spores from Bloaters are so deadly.

[@Hoops_Fan]

Was gonna say this. You beat me to it.

[@kevin123652]

Yep

[@WinstonKillDeath]

How the heck did they mess up that detail?

[@ashtonjohnson344]

He mentions that at 3:50

[@t1ll316]

@@WinstonKillDeathyeah such an integral and obvious part of the whole lore, you see the spores right after ffs

[@je2409]

I really wonder what happened to the Boston QZ after Joel and Tess left in Part I. Was there a civilian uprising? Did Marlene leaving for Salt Lake City allow for FEDRA to claim victory over the area? Did FEDRA pull their forces out completely and abandon the civilians to fend for themselves? It’s also sad to think that so many people who were close to Joel and Tess in the Boston QZ never saw them again after they left the wall and met Ellie. They probably think that either FEDRA captured them or that they died. (Eventually that was true 😢) In Part II it’s pretty much assumed that after the 5 year jump, FEDRA and the Fireflies no longer exist anywhere. But we eventually find out about Santa Barbara

[@grimreaper6060]

Instead of The Last of Us Part II, we should've got a game that takes time BEFORE the first The Last of Us. A prequel, in which we play as Joel on the first years of the infection, keeping Tommy alive, heading to Boston, meeting Tess and making some deals with Bill. Can you imagine playing as Tommy and Tess on some parts? That would be great!

[@Yeosprings]

God Of War regarding Kratos would probably be a good next video. Since the next game is coming out soon. And it gives new players a understanding on why Kratos is the way he is. (His past, his emotions etc)

[@zerrierslizer1]

i had this Theory a while back that Norway was left mostly unharmed due to having their own supply of basically any Natural Food Source like Veggies, Meats and Fish etc. but when the infection got closer, they cut themselves off completely with ruthless killings on the borders of Russia and Sweden, using high exlposive ordnance to create literal canyons that noone could cross. i wonder if this theory could be made into a game on it's own. would be hell'a interesting to have an Episodic game set in other countries, Norway being one of them. the UK as well would be VERY interesting to see how the Fungal Infection affected life there.

[@richardsonstudios4233]

Britain likely fell very fast due to our dependence on exports and high population density. However people in rural areas such as the Yorkshire dales or the Scottish mountains would likely build settlements similar to jackson. Infected likely became shambles due to the high rain levels.

[@CallForGrandPappy]

That does not sound like a fun game idea at all, maybe a short story or something but how would you play through that? Just boring even for post apocalyptic standards.

[@richardsonstudios4233]

@@CallForGrandPappy dlc maybe?

[@zerrierslizer1]

@@CallForGrandPappy so expnading on the story isnt fun to you? damn, that's sad.

[@Evonito]

Funny thing is I also sent an email to naughty dog highlighting the 20 years following Sarahs death, which gives them a perfect window of opportunity to continue the series. I hope they see this !💯

[@kevin123652]

That would be pretty cool!

[@personman1148]

My thoughts were that if they wanted to do a story on how revenge destroys oneself and those around they could have show Joel as a hunter trying g to find the CO who gave the order to shoot him and Sarah with Tommy initially supporting him but as the years go on he ends up viewing Joel's actions as meaningless violence and joins up with the Fireflies. Show Joel getting g increasingly detached from people and his actions.

[@jacobrobinson787]

I refuse to believe that Joel and Tess weren't together at some point, however brief.

[@andrewcheng2852]

Thought it was pretty explicit that they were

[@robogreek3157]

They even have an optional conversation. Joel- " haven't been out here in awile" tess- " it's like we are on a date " joel- " well I am the romantic type " tess- " you've got your ways" even tess before she dies says... there's enough here for you to do this for me. They were definitly romantic

[@artemis_liz7096]

It’s brief and subtle, but in the series, Tess lies down next to Joel to sleep and she wraps her arm around his tummy.

[@Zeemas]

What I really want is for Naughty Dog to make this prequel, the darkest time of Joel's life...

[@user-jt1js5mr3f]

Shhh, the people who are in denial about him being a bad guy don’t want to hear that.

[@kevin123652]

Yes, I think that would be pretty cool!

[@catgames1387]

9:22 I do belive joe tried as their is a conversation in the hotel after ellie sees 2 dead body and tell joel "guess they took the easy way" which joel respond "it ain't esay for most it's better than a clicker or hunter doing it but trust me it ain't easy"

[@robogreek3157]

Good observation

[@Sam-qd5yj]

Great video, I never knew exactly where and how the virus originated. Looking forward to more from this new series!

[@mao2181]

It’s not a virus a fungus

[@RafaelMunizYT]

much probably came from brazil (you either come to brazil or brazil comes to you. the saying proved itself to be true)

[@truusvdv5818]

The gunshot at 4:11 scared the shit out of me bc I was looking at the comments XDXD

[@XXAnthonyCarmineXx]

Same shit was loud af

[@lucymorrison]

I love your Scottish accent! :) it’s very calmed and easy to understand.

[@joelhm]

No it’s not

[@emma_nutella58]

I wanna know what happened to rest of the world, I wanna know which countries got hit bad and which ones managed to avoid the infection

[@pushsquare]

I would love to see this too! - Aaron

[@d1m155]

The whole world got infected but canada had more luck than the rest of the world

[@Tutankamion196]

Of course, this is a nightmare world, where you live your life knowing things will never go back to what they used to be. But, imagine what if humanity found a way to wipe the CBI infection and declare that pandemic over, rebuild what was lost and start anew - it would be, perhaps, humanity's greatest victory, ever.

[@RhodokTribesman]

Could have possibly happened if Joel decided to sacrifice Ellie

[@dinglesworld]

@@RhodokTribesmanImpossible. Some of the bodies of the infected were beyond repair. The fireflies weren’t likely to succeed.

[@RhodokTribesman]

@@dinglesworld The vaccine was to immunize the human populace (akin to how Ellie is), not turn the infected back into people

[@UncleQuan]

Absolutely LOVE the way this video was broken down and explained. Great work💯

[@SheanWalsh46]

I love how the tv show did change some of the game Lore yet at the same time they expanding it like the intro for each episode.

[@TimesFM4532]

Maybe I’m a villain but FEDRA seems like the least worst option, the fireflies or wolfs apart from a handful are worse

[@SLIMJIMNIM]

You aren't wrong. I'd rather much choose to be with FEDRA than any of the other factions, they'll just treat you like crap. Heck, I'd even be cool with being at Tommy's camp.

[@theredeemedshow]

loved the video, had it on in the background when sketching. Clear information and great delivery! That sudden gunshot-audio was a sudden scare though (thematically fitting xD)

[@Diginixx]

Found this fascinating. Just completed part 2 so can now binge these vids lol. Also, you have really nice eyes.

[@jeaz]

Thought this was an interesting video, and would like to see more of this more editorial stuff from you.

[@DEATHxTHExKIDx1]

Just beat Part 1 and very close to the platinum. Realized I'm way more into TLOU than I thought. Gonna replay Part2 for the Platinum as well. Hopefully we get a PART 3 someday

[@kevin123652]

Have fun! Both are great!

[@georgel760]

in part 3 there will be even more transvestites

[@doesvds2365]

@@georgel760 a game should be rated on story, gameplay, music etc... not the sexuality of the cast. but you wouldn't be mature enough to be bigger than that.

[@HalberdAbuser100]

make a vid on Jackson town PLs numbers of troops ,social structure and more .I couldn't find anything on it on yt

[@christianmalbeuf476]

Good recap! God of War, Horizon, Assassin's Creed, Red Dead all have well-established lore. Looking forward to more.

[@clxudybluexx3049]

I just wanna point something out. The Salt Lake City are in ruins, but Boston or at least a portion of it is still surviving so it seems like FEDRA are doing better than any zone the fireflies have control of

[@danielpenney1455]

Why does the narrator repeatedly call it a virus, when it's key to the storyline it's a fungus, not a virus?

[@somedegreeofsundown2338]

Fungus are not virus. Fungus is at least alive and constitutes its own kingdom differentiating it from plants and animals.

[@wingman-1977]

I would love to see what became of NYC in that universe.

[@pushsquare]

Yeah there would be so many awesome side stories in that I'd imagine. I'd even take them in book or comic form. - Aaron

[@wingman-1977]

@@pushsquare animation for me.

[@controlman7490]

There are 8 million people in New York, the city also consumes a shit ton of flour, mostly in the form of deep dish pizza's and New York is a hub for immigration. New York in TLOU is completely fucked.

[@CallForGrandPappy]

I wish naughty dog would explore more of the universe or the 20 years leading up to the first game, they did such a good job with the human factions and conflicts.

[@loogsflamez8412]

I saw all the lore possible played amd beat 1 and part 2 many times still play factions multi-player too this day. I like the research I did through Seattle's hospital and especially ground zero I am most interested in the serphites prophets back story and marine and how she came too be queen of the fireflies

[@collectiveleak]

Is English your first language?

[@loogsflamez8412]

@collectiveleak yes but alabama school so I have the pass

[@Ladiesman21789]

11:34 they definitely hooked up more then once

[@RBRMV1]

It’s not a virus it’s fungi

[@grobinson4805]

Those 20 years had to be ROUGH. We must see what happened.

[@bearthewise8647]

I really enjoyed this!

[@nintendork23]

That picture of Joel in the thumbnail looked more like Wolverine to me than Joel lmao

[@lucasgundry3528]

Thanks for the video, I really enjoyed it! I hadn't picked up about Joel's time as a Hunter

[@user-jt1js5mr3f]

Oh yeah, one of the original plans for Abby’s connection to him was to have her be a survivor of one of his ambushes. Joel was a baaaaad dude for a long time. Makes sense that would eventually catch up to him

[@jesusdavidmartinezsilveyra3983]

Man you lost me when you called a fungus a virus

[@amunra1743]

And people are still saying that the enemies in the last of us1 and 2 are zombies🙄🙄🙄

[@u-sefwilliams8614]

I think the show should have explored the 20 years from Tommy perspective

[@user-jt1js5mr3f]

As expected, there are complaints about part 2. I expected to be heartbroken the moment they announced the game, it’s not like the first one ended happy.

[@peterallan5687]

I've been playing games since the ZX Spectrum and was enraptured by pixel graphins and bleep-blop sound effects and to many years later experience many different gaming platofmrs TLOU in many different ways for myself created a moment in the present and what can be for the future in terms of technology. The game is a filimic voyage of discovery as an art form that most people are aware of so it has some familiar narrative landmarks but it breaks out of that with the player input and that for myself raises expectations for what's to come whilst being pleased with what has happened so far over the past 35 years of on and off gaming. BIG love to ND and Push Sqaure

[@alanway5]

jesus, joel was a monster. it takes one to survive this hellish place tho

[@XXAnthonyCarmineXx]

Yeah its cool how this game shows theres no true “good” or “bad” guys just people doing what it takes to survive

[@iamsteezze]

He's recording from the basement. This game is lovely and deserves this kind of videos. I'll be looking out for more of it. Great job, lads

[@ThePSXcollector]

This was extremely well done 😊 Great stuff!

[@jakeg3733]

Hell yes, exactly what I've been thinking about. I'm really interested in the _first_ 20 years, how things got to this point

[@hntrip]

My friends ask me why I take this game to the Heart. During 2013-14 when I only had the ps3 with no wifi so no ps online- so i only got to play story based games- and The Last Of Us was on of them- as whet a 12 year old boy this game was horrifying and emotional- parents were a lul alcoholics so during those times Tlou would calm and smooth me dowm. This game is truly amazing

[@taglor]

The first game was so good I hoped they would never make a sequel. That's the highest praise I can give as it ended so well for me that I wanted to just remember the game as a piece of interactive art/storytelling crystallised in time. Because once something is successful there are always greedy money people who are the antithesis of the creatives and want a piece of that pie. They then go on to tell the creatives how they can make more money if only they add ingredients the extremely uncreative money people promise will help. And then there's always the risk that politics will creep into a game. I mean, you wouldnt risk the significant chance that a few people making something may have differing values to the massive amount of people who will play your game would you? Surely you wouldn't want to ruin the purity of gameplay for politics and the risk of sticking your middle finger up at all the fans who helped make you a success by parting with the money they gained by giving time and labour away to have earnt it?

[@RafaelMunizYT]

damn I knew every single thing you mentioned in this video. this says a lot about my love for this game

[@dioraeliopoulos9967]

26th of September is my birthday🎉

[@pushsquare]

Happy Belated Birthday! - AB

[@ungusbungus2486]

Not a virus

[@KspekEvo]

Failed out the rip. It's not a virus but a fungus .

[@dalza_uk9424]

10/10 ! Love it…..please continue the story 😍

[@RyanBounedara]

THE LORE OF US

[@danielstephens1313]

Fungus!

[@Jonipoon]

Joel didn't "deserve" to die, which is what fans of the second game's story would say. If Naughty Dog really wants me to buy the idea that Joel is a villain, give me a game which shows Joel around 10 years post-outbreak where he commits terrible crimes.

[@XXAnthonyCarmineXx]

Well he did murder alot of the fireflies which were on some level the “good guys” idk n its hinted he did alot of murdering in those years by tommy

[@robogreek3157]

​@@XXAnthonyCarmineXx he didn't murder... they were preventing him from saving his daughter. Joel was the only person next to Riley to value ellies life...rather than what she could provide humanity

[@sa4555]

Fungus, FUNGUS Not a virus.

[@philleotardo8760]

I’d like to have a game with Bill and Frank in Lincoln town.

[@Mr_Dimis]

I hate that there is not much information about what happened during those 20 years.

[@staydetermined6717]

In the first 20 years At the 2 year mark where bloaters started to appear Would be very interesting to see, then again the show did sort of highlight the reaction of a bloater tbh

[@DocNintendo]

What is the virus? Played a lot of the games and did not know about that.

[@Blurryfaceakarye]

Couldn’t you collect enough of this fungus for it to indeed infect a human?.. This is all I can think of atm 😂💀🤠🤭, it already can with bugs.

[@dtown3847]

Naughty dog makes a game everyone loves. Naughty dog makes a game everyone hates. Now watch naughty dog make part 3 about Joel’s early days and people will eat that shit up like hot cakes. They are marketing the right way

[@kevin123652]

Damn right they are!

[@ugur7227]

Proceeds to explain the lore and cannot tell virus and fungi apart.

[@J.F.331]

I know The Last of Us and Days Gone are different IP’s but in a way, Days Gone is more like a prequel we never had. Huge hordes, marauders, cults etc…

[@sleezsquad904n8]

I think it’d be cool if the new last of us show was based on the 20 year gap

[@LatinW321]

In reality the fungus would be gone in a couple weeks

[@ohio72213]

So what happened to the President in the Last of Us universe? I cant find an answer to that. Also obama is shown in a picture in the game but his face is covered and so is another spot but its obvious that its Obamna

[@CelestialMage.]

I love your channel name can I name mine push tringle!?

[@mekrot1]

I gave you a dislike just for that loud af gunshot sound you put in coupled with your quiet speaking voice. RIP my ears.

[@BZD135]

This is awesome video!! We need part 2!

[@omarreyes7626]

the main reason Joel worked so well but part 2 Ellie and more importantly Abby didn't,

[@leejamz4257]

bruh..not a virus..

[@mycross1]

YO great game

[@Virsho]

and people on north sentinel island are living same lives they have lived past 50,000 years

[@dreyer9000]

Not a virus

[@iamrealm]

Why does Joel look like Daryl from The Walking Dead in the thumbnail? 🤣

[@goldenrepublic6848]

Is North America looks like this then South America is probably a nightmare

[@Elhock]

More of this content!

[@paulrobinson1991]

Spot on bro. However, I think their was a romantic relationship between Joel & Tess. He was just too much a hard ass for labels.

[@dnaglitchgaming6565]

Jesus 20 years already!

[@Nutsuplier]

I love how everyone keeps saying it’s a fungus we know you guys don’t have to keep saying it 20 million times

[@3506Dodge]

I thought outbreak day was in 2003 and the action in the last of us was in 2023.

[@pushsquare]

The show changed up the timeline, so those years are specific to it, but the game starts in 2013 and jumps to 2033! - Aaron

[@3506Dodge]

@@pushsquare The technology of the show is very 2003. No mention of smart phones or social media as existed by 2013. They're all reading physical newspapers in the first episode.

[@JWright1301]

@@3506Dodge What?? Joel has a smartphone in the opening section lying on the counter where Sara reads the missed calls. There is also a lot of the technology in houses in 2033 that matches the 2013 range such as the TV's. People still read physical newspapers in 2024 so I don't understand that comment.

[@BeigeShell]

Why does joel look like norman reedus in the thumbnail?

[@michaelsues]

More, more, more please!!

[@Cholotronbm]

Why most video game KZbinrs have an accent?

[@marcyj937]

I’m sorry man but you got the dates wrong… the game takes place in 2023 (after the 20 years) so it started in 2003… THE GAME CAME OUT IN 2013

[@pushsquare]

In the game the apocalypse starts in 2013 and it jumps 20 years ahead. This was changed for the show to 2003 and 2023 😁 - Aaron

[@marcyj937]

@@pushsquare ahhhh thank you for the clarification cause I was confused… my apologies

[@colincurtin6787]

Did not appreciate the volume swell in the gun shot

[@davidmilner1262]

Great video!!

[@lordeddy05]

I've been waiting on a vid like this for some time

[@jtjan6559]

who is that in the thumbnail joe?

[@Gabriel-wy5wu]

Why does he speak like shrek?

[@amartyrsconfession1611]

Love this video. I’m a new subscriber!

[@Prauwlet213]

It’s a fungus not a virus

[@mavericksevenski127]

My problem about the last of us is it’s was always Joel’s story and to kill him im the last of us two was bullshit

[@nobodyepicz7538]

gotta love that accent brodude! love it xD

[@dcvkutwsxcbj5276]

its not a visrus its a shroomwojak

[@3506Dodge]

'Amedica'

[@UltraPvnk]

Here's a recap: Joel bad, Jerry good. (Directed by NDman)

[@Kiddo_williams]

The fact you think this shows you actually are close minded or just didn’t pay attention.

[@UltraPvnk]

@@Kiddo_williams I know, how could I pay attention to a story where the "main" character doesn't forgive a man who offended her and makes her a sandwich, yet forgives the woman who killed her father figure. So... bold... so... vogue... so... risqué!!!! Lol

[@Kiddo_williams]

@@UltraPvnk She didn’t forgive Abby at all. First of all, to understand the ending of this game, it is necessary to understand Ellie's motivations and goals throughout the game. Because if you don't understand that, it's no wonder why you find the ending strange and out of character. When Joel dies, Ellie falls into a destructive hatred. A hatred for his killer. But above all a hatred towards herself, a guilt consuming her from within. A guilt that she will blame on this group that she decides to hunt down. She thinks that it will give her peace, she convinces herself that this is what Joel would have done for her, that he would already be in Seattle already if it were her who had been killed. It is his defense mechanism: this fantasm that revenge will give her closure. But in reality, it's not really about justice for Joel and more about her ego. The fact that, once again, someone decided for her. That someone take her chance of forgiving him. She thinks killing everyone involved in Joel's death would help her heal. But she killed Nora and things didn't go the way she was expected them to go. Killing Nora didn't help at all. So Ellie reachs to another conclusion, another vision of seeing things : the only person she has to kill to find peace is Abby. She's the real responsable. She is the person who killed Joel. From then on, Ellie takes yet more risks to accomplish her goal. She lets Dina alone in the theater, she lets down Jesse and Tommy to go after Abby even if it means to do it alone... She doesn't care about the others people involved in Joel's death, she only wants Abby, only her. That's what she says to Owen and Mel : You guys can survive this, I just need her. Then, much later in the game, comes the scene of the farm where Ellie leaves Dina. To understand Ellie's action, it is important to realize that during the game, Ellie faces the 5 stages of grief. Denial. Anger. Bargaining. Depression. And acceptance. At that point, Ellie is at the fourth stage : Depression. She doesn't eat, she can't sleep. Ellie is not happy with Dina. She can't see the end of the tunnel. But Ellie no longer has the hatred she had towards Abby at the beginning of the game, and this can be observed by comparing the scene when she leaves Jackson, to the scene when she leaves Dina. In the first, we feel Ellie's hatred, anger, rage. But in the second, we only feel sadness, despair, grief. She is haunted by Joel's death and continues to believe in this fantasm of revenge. She has to kill Abby to get closure. She has to finish it. Once and for all, because her life is hell, and she doesn't know how to heal. So we get to this point at the end of the game, when Ellie is drowning Abby. And at that moment, Ellie feels no joy, no peace. Just more anger, pain and sadness. She feels miserable, at the bottom of the hole and she lives what is called, a cathartic moment. A moment when she finally releases all the emotions she had kept in her for so long. It's the final gap. And while she drowns Abby, her fantasm is destroyed Even when she's able to kill the person responsible for Joel's death, she doesn't feel that peace she was supposed to feel. She doesn't feel it at all. And that cathartic event, that destruction of her defense mecanism leads to Joel's flashback, the one that makes her stop. And to understand why, we need to understand what this flashback is about. THE PORCH SCENE I don't think it's a coincidence Ellie started wanting to forgive Joel that night specifically. Because that last night, something really important happened to Ellie. She kissed Dina. And I really think that when Ellie danced with Dina, she was happy for one of her first times in her life. Ellie had a community, friends, a girlfriend. She was happy to be alive, to be able to experience this kind of thing, to be able to kiss the girl she had been in love for years. From then on, she could no longer blame Joel for taking away her reason for living, because she had just found a new one: Dina. On the porch, Joel decides to talk about Dina. And at that moment, Ellie says the kiss didn't mean anything, but it's not true. It does. A lot. And Joel knows that. So he answer that Dina would be lucky to have her. The thing is, that by saying that, Joel is trying to justify his actions. Because if he didn't save Ellie at the end of the game, Dina couldn't have been lucky to have her, because she would be dead. Oh And he wouldn't trade that for anything in the world. No matter the price, no matter if it means that Ellie must hate him for the rest of his life, no matter if he should die for what he did, he has no regrets because he sees that she is finally happy. She's the one who give a meaning to HIS life. That's what the porch scene is about. It's not about forgiveness. It's about Joel teaching to Ellie what gives a meaning to life. That her immunity doesn't define her. That a life of meaning is a life made with someone else. And for Ellie, that someone else is Dina. So when Ellie has this flashback while she's drowning Abby, she remembers that she lost the real thing that gives her a meaning to her life. She lost it because of her ego, like she lost Joel because she was too hurt to forgive him sooner. But she also remember that it's not what Joel would have wanted for her. She remembers that Joel always put the people he loved first. Joel would not have wanted Ellie to go down this path of hate, of revenge, of violence, of loss. He never would have wanted her to put herself in danger, to put her friends in danger, to leave Dina and JJ. And that's why it kills me everytime someone says "Joel would have wanted Ellie to kill Abby !" or "Ellie betrayed Joel !". But no. If it was the case, Joel would be a horrible father. Because what kind of father would want his daughter to do that kind of thing ? What kind of father would like his daughter become a killing and violent machine ? What kind of father would like his daughter to leave the only people that still love her ? Joel saved Ellie because he wanted her to be happy, and that's why he doesn't have any regret, because he sees her happy and healthy. Sparing Abby is not Ellie betraying Joel. It's Ellie understanding his lesson. The one he teached her that night, on that porch. That choice she made to spare Abby showed she still had a good chunk of her that has humanity still there. Ellie returns to the farm as a better person. She’s at the fifth stage of grief which is acceptance. When she puts Joel’s guitar down it’s her putting his death to rest and going to the light the same way a moth does which is the last shot of the game a moth.

[@UltraPvnk]

@@Kiddo_williams lol

[@Kiddo_williams]

@@UltraPvnk As I said you didn’t understand the ending

[@MyTownDrunk]

You're editing and format sir are 🤌 also, I cannot wait until this multiplayer dlc comes bruhhhhh 😅

[@pushsquare]

Glad you enjoyed it! And seriously, how long are they gonna make us wait for this damn multiplayer?!?! I feel like I’ve been waiting forever… - Aaron

[@MyTownDrunk]

​@@pushsquare hopelessly I'm seeing by summer its supposed to be 😅

[@pushsquare]

@@MyTownDrunk One can dream. I have my fingers crossed for it 🤞- Aaron